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    IQ180 has arrived. Request for tests.

    This morning our first IQ180 arrived.

    http://www.captureintegration.com/20...180-delivered/

    We're happy. We're taking requests for tests to conduct on this first non-prototype unit. Please contact us with anything specific you'd be interested in seeing.


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    Send one to Guy. Lol

    Seriously do a you tube on the LCD focusing and menu.
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    Re: IQ180 has arrived. Request for tests.

    Why the delay, Guy? Almost ten minutes between Steve's post and your reply.

    Let's try to keep our eyes on the ball, okay?

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    Re: IQ180 has arrived. Request for tests.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Send one to Guy. Lol

    Seriously do a you tube on the LCD focusing and menu.

    We've all seen the datasheet, we've seen the feature list. What we're interested in is confirming the real world performance of these features. That's what we'll be spending our time on over the coming weeks (and months).

    I can see many potential opportunities to verify what the feature list claims the IQ180 can do as well as adding context to how well it actually does them.

    Looking forward to hearing suggestions from you on how tests to see how well the IQ180 actually performs.


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    Re: IQ180 has arrived. Request for tests.

    Although it's not a personal request, I'd imagine people would like to know about longer exposures.

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    Re: IQ180 has arrived. Request for tests.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    This morning our first IQ180 arrived.

    http://www.captureintegration.com/20...180-delivered/

    We're happy. We're taking requests for tests to conduct on this first non-prototype unit. Please contact us with anything specific you'd be interested in seeing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Files with made wide schneider lenses off a tech camera with C1 6.2 correcting the banding. Preferably pre and post LCC corrections.
    +1. I made a similar request to Steve's post on LL, but re. sensor casts with large movements. Forgot to specify Schneider lenses. My personal preference would be to see the 28, 35 and/or 43.

    Pre and post comparisons would be interesting too.

    Also interested in focusing on a tech camera using the new screen and current firmware features.

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    nice, but... how many are you expecting for your CUSTOMERS in the next couple of weeks?!

    I want to get working with mine, not reading about tests anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Send one to Guy. Lol

    Seriously do a you tube on the LCD focusing and menu.
    Steve,

    I'm with Guy here. Acknowledged that focus mask and live view may not be operative yet, but I expect that the 100% or 150% view will provide me the best means to ensure good focus anyway. A good video tutorial on the general use of the IQ series without being camera-specific would be superb.


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    Quote Originally Posted by narikin View Post
    nice, but... how many are you expecting for your CUSTOMERS in the next couple of weeks?!

    I want to get working with mine, not reading about tests anymore.

    Gosh yes!

    Typically, new products like this trickle at first and that is my expectation. I am expecting regular shipments ongoing, but not in high volume. If you check with your dealer on where you are in the order queue, they can give you a guesstimate on delivery time for you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by David Duffin View Post
    Steve,

    I'm with Guy here. Acknowledged that focus mask and live view may not be operative yet, but I expect that the 100% or 150% view will provide me the best means to ensure good focus anyway. A good video tutorial on the general use of the IQ series without being camera-specific would be superb.


    Absolutely - video tutorials coming up.

    As far as checking focus on the screen itself, I already compared that to the 5DMK-II with the IQ180 prototypes and found it to be as good as, if not better at checking focus (and tonality) than the 5DMK-II (at a glance). More intensive evaluation will be forthcoming.


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    Steve,

    How clear is the LCD screen when viewed with a loupe - like a Hoodman or Schneider? This is my preferred way to check for focus......

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    I have a few questions:

    Long-exposure performance at low ISOs and small apertures. My P65+ occasionally had a purple reverse-vignette after the 40-second mark. I'd like to see if this has been addressed.

    ISO 35 performance.

    With my Aptus II 12, I have issues with color accuracy. This was apparently also an issue with the evaluation versions of the IQ180. Has this been addressed (slightly red shadows)?

    I've also noticed a need for LCC profiles with my Aptus on lenses that my P65+ never did. Perhaps you could demonstrate performance of the 75-150mm f/4.5 D without any LCCs applied, as well as the 45mm D and the 28mm D.

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    Re: IQ180 has arrived. Request for tests.

    Quote Originally Posted by vjbelle View Post
    Steve,

    How clear is the LCD screen when viewed with a loupe - like a Hoodman or Schneider? This is my preferred way to check for focus......

    Victor

    That will be looked at today - I would expect it to be as clear as any screen available with a loupe, due to the high resolution.


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    Re: IQ180 has arrived. Request for tests.

    Actual frame count for the first battery charge -- including all your chimping and playing with the menus, focus preview, etc.
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    Yea given the power management was turned off on the prototypes good to know battery life now on a real production unit. LOL

    I went through 8 batteries in a day on the Prototype. LOL
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    Re: IQ180 has arrived. Request for tests.

    Quote Originally Posted by vjbelle View Post
    Steve,

    How clear is the LCD screen when viewed with a loupe - like a Hoodman or Schneider? This is my preferred way to check for focus......

    Victor

    Just did a quick test, shooting outside against 5DMK-II screen, same image, same exposure. The IQ180 screen looks sharper. Oh....duh!

    They look very similar generally speaking in terms of clarity, resolution, tone. When viewed using a loupe, it is easy to see that the screen from the IQ180 displays finer detail than the 5DMK-II screen, which shows more "pixel-ness" than the IQ180 screen.

    I will say it was a whole lot faster viewing an 80MP image at 100% on the IQ180 than it was viewing a 22MP image at 100% on the 5DMK-II.


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    Great to hear Steve.
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    Re: IQ180 has arrived. Request for tests.

    Steve, on the demo unit I tried, the 'zoom to 100%' time to check focus was very fast BUT only when the image was already 'processed' by the camera. A key metric is:

    From the moment you press the shutter release, to the fastest you can get a 100% zoomed image to review on the screen, how long does it take? On the demo unit it was 10-12 seconds, with the card supplied by Phase and with another pro agreeing my timings.

    My point being that if the fabled Live View with Focus Mask method of getting good focus with a tech cam is not yet nor may ever be available or fully viable, then this 'shoot-chimp-adjust' cycle needs to be fast.

    Would love to hear your results! Thanks in advance...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Steve, on the demo unit I tried, the 'zoom to 100%' time to check focus was very fast BUT only when the image was already 'processed' by the camera. A key metric is:

    From the moment you press the shutter release, to the fastest you can get a 100% zoomed image to review on the screen, how long does it take? On the demo unit it was 10-12 seconds, with the card supplied by Phase and with another pro agreeing my timings.

    My point being that if the fabled Live View with Focus Mask method of getting good focus with a tech cam is not yet nor may ever be available or fully viable, then this 'shoot-chimp-adjust' cycle needs to be fast.

    Would love to hear your results! Thanks in advance...
    Tim

    Good point Tim.

    Just tested. Different result this time.

    Shoot, zoom 100%. IQ180 - 6.5 seconds
    Shoot, zoom 100%. 5DMK-II - 4 seconds

    Progress, perhaps more improvement down the line. Still, I suppose that's not bad for a raw image that is over 3 times the size of the 5DMK-II file.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Steve, on the demo unit I tried, the 'zoom to 100%' time to check focus was very fast BUT only when the image was already 'processed' by the camera. A key metric is:

    From the moment you press the shutter release, to the fastest you can get a 100% zoomed image to review on the screen, how long does it take? On the demo unit it was 10-12 seconds, with the card supplied by Phase and with another pro agreeing my timings.

    My point being that if the fabled Live View with Focus Mask method of getting good focus with a tech cam is not yet nor may ever be available or fully viable, then this 'shoot-chimp-adjust' cycle needs to be fast.

    Would love to hear your results! Thanks in advance...
    Tim
    Steve,

    This is important for me too because many of my photos are of slowly moving objects. Does the rendering of the 100% view in composition mode appear more quickly than if the processor has to write to the card?

    Also, is it awkward to enter and exit composition mode?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Duffin View Post
    Steve,

    This is important for me too because many of my photos are of slowly moving objects. Does the rendering of the 100% view in composition mode appear more quickly than if the processor has to write to the card?

    Also, is it awkward to enter and exit composition mode?

    I just have to say up front I am not a fan of the composition mode in camera. I'm not even a fan of it in the software. (yes, I have had clients call to tell me they forgot to take it off composition mode and at the end of the day they realized.............um....ends badly....).

    That said, I'll test that at some point today and see.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    Just did a quick test, shooting outside against 5DMK-II screen, same image, same exposure. The IQ180 screen looks sharper. Oh....duh!

    They look very similar generally speaking in terms of clarity, resolution, tone. When viewed using a loupe, it is easy to see that the screen from the IQ180 displays finer detail than the 5DMK-II screen, which shows more "pixel-ness" than the IQ180 screen.

    I will say it was a whole lot faster viewing an 80MP image at 100% on the IQ180 than it was viewing a 22MP image at 100% on the 5DMK-II.


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    Steve,

    Thanks for taking the time to test with a loupe. This really is great news. As long as there is some, even slight, foreground or background it should be very easy to nail focus. The only draw back to live view would be a completely flat two dimensional image..... at that point maybe a few extra quick images would need to be shot to nail focus.

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    Color anomalies mentioned by Michael Reichmann and Mark Dubovoy resolved?
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    Thanks Steve,

    That is verrry iiinteresting: this thread from my first try-out

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23327

    has several sources suggesting that with a fast card it was 3 seconds even in the prototype and would be more or less instant in the shipping version... so I hate to ask, and I am sure you were, but, were you using a fast card because, well six and a half seconds may be fast given the file size but in practical terms it is damned slow and IMHO if there's no reasonable LV/FM functionality it is in fact too slow....

    Now I'll get shot.



    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    Good point Tim.

    Just tested. Different result this time.

    Shoot, zoom 100%. IQ180 - 6.5 seconds
    Shoot, zoom 100%. 5DMK-II - 4 seconds

    Progress, perhaps more improvement down the line. Still, I suppose that's not bad for a raw image that is over 3 times the size of the 5DMK-II file.


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    Home test:
    to get a feel for focus checking, put a loupe on an I-phone pic. you can see where the pixels start to limit the ability to resolve detail. Assuming the IQ can image a 100x portion of your capture, maybe this will work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    This morning our first IQ180 arrived.

    http://www.captureintegration.com/20...180-delivered/

    We're happy. We're taking requests for tests to conduct on this first non-prototype unit. Please contact us with anything specific you'd be interested in seeing.


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    (This of COURSE, has nothing to do with my being #1 on the Contax list

    I am SURE Phase will be fair in its mount allocations.

    Actually, in the past I could not complain with their schedule; they got me upgrades along with their others.

    As for the tests, I actually look forward to seeing them almost as tutorials.

    Steve, also watch for areas where P+ to IQ is a little different, like in format or defaults etc. These mini reviews from early testers are invaluable! Thanks.

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    *trying hard to not drool*
    Oh how i long to try that one on the back on Linhof..

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    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    Thanks Steve,

    That is verrry iiinteresting: this thread from my first try-out

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23327

    has several sources suggesting that with a fast card it was 3 seconds even in the prototype and would be more or less instant in the shipping version... so I hate to ask, and I am sure you were, but, were you using a fast card because, well six and a half seconds may be fast given the file size but in practical terms it is damned slow and IMHO if there's no reasonable LV/FM functionality it is in fact too slow....

    Now I'll get shot.

    Tim -

    This was with an 8GB Sandisk Extreme. I've always thought 4 seconds on my 5DMK-II was a bit on the slow side, so I can understand. I think we have to keep in mind that many of these tests will be evaluations of performance via Version 1 and that improvements may indeed be forthcoming.

    But it's important to benchmark the current status concerning the out of the box experience. I'm sure we'll have some back and forth with the development team with regard to many of our findings to get a sense what type of improvements may be in store down the road.


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    Speaking of outer box experience. Weird i find it kind of sexy looking. Need to get out more I think. LOL

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    The IQ180 is definitely sexy. Yes, Phase has done a nice job on packaging, but call it past conditioning from having purchased several Phase MFDBs, I still think taking delivery in a Pelican style case is more substantial and classier.

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    The real outer box should be a hard case I agree . For the money certainly so and transport to your door
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    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    . . . I still think taking delivery in a Pelican style case is more substantial and classier.
    I'm more worried about what kind of box my wife would have me carried out in if I ordered one of those!

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    It only comes in a padded, cheaply printed cardboard box!!

    Our original Lightphase came in a cardboard box but ever since then they have given you a really nice hard case to protect your investment......... SHOCKING!

    But obviously we'll be told its to reduce our carbon footprint.

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    They got the LCD from Apple, that's why

    btw why the 10′ USB3-USB2 cable? If I get an adapter for USB2 to USB3,can I get USB3 speed?

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    Maybe the cardboard box comes in a Pelican case?

    Phase One, bring back the hardcase! You're not shipping iPods.

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    It ain't about the accesories, BUT...

    1: Same charger made for an amateur video camcorder c.1992.
    2: No USB3.0 > USB 3.0 lead? hello it is 2011.
    3: How many batteries, what capacity?
    4: They only give you C1 DB ?! -all that money and they don't give you the full C1 Pro licence. I mean... really? a little gift, is surely possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narikin View Post
    4: They only give you C1 DB ?! -all that money and they don't give you the full C1 Pro licence. I mean... really? a little gift, is surely possible.
    +1. I NEVER understood this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmb_ View Post
    I'm more worried about what kind of box my wife would have me carried out in if I ordered one of those!
    See, that's why the Pelican case also serves double-duty. But she's gotta catch you first.

    Also missing (albeit small capacity) is a Sandisk CF card. Yeah, I know... previous conditioning from earlier Phase MFDB purchases. Small things, but those small things make for a really nice touch---and people do notice. And apparently, the latest, greatest, fastest Sandisk CF memory cards do make a difference with the IQ series MFDBs, so that really would be a nice touch in the box.
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    Yea thinking about the Extreme pros now. I use just Extremes presently.

    Of course i have plenty of time . Who knows when they will start shipping the IQ 140.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Yea thinking about the Extreme pros now. I use just Extremes presently.

    Of course i have plenty of time . Who knows when they will start shipping the IQ 140.
    Team and AMP 600x cards worked extremely well with my P65+ (for roughly half the price of Lexar/SanDisk offerings).

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    Re: IQ180 has arrived. Request for tests.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Yea thinking about the Extreme pros now. I use just Extremes presently.

    Of course i have plenty of time . Who knows when they will start shipping the IQ 140.
    My Extreme Pros arrived about a week ago and are ready and waiting to be put to use. Now I just wait for my new 43mm to show up. Ohhh, and of course the new back.

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    Well you know your all going to piss me off having your IQ months before me. Arrgh Yes i want you all to feel really bad for me and start donating to my little dog off the porch piggy bank fund.

    Just kidding. maybe the lotto ticket will hit. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by narikin View Post
    It ain't about the accesories, BUT...

    1: Same charger made for an amateur video camcorder c.1992.
    2: No USB3.0 > USB 3.0 lead? hello it is 2011.
    3: How many batteries, what capacity?
    4: They only give you C1 DB ?! -all that money and they don't give you the full C1 Pro licence. I mean... really? a little gift, is surely possible.
    Agreed! Plus, I might add that the present charger with its cover tend to start looking like cr.p after a while in use and being moved around, is definitely not sturdy and frankly a cover-less double charger Nikon-D3-style would be better IMHO; the cable, they should definitely provide a USB3.0 lead; battery-wise, I'd expect at least two (but am afraid they will give zero); C1 DB, I agree here as well, it looks bad in the way that it definitely looks like they know one has probably at least another camera and will probably want to standardize and use CB for that as well and - after getting 40+ K for the IQ 180 - they want a couple hundred bucks for the software too... not the end of the world, but not quite classy as well
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    Re: IQ180 has arrived. Request for tests.

    Fascinating Steve: I tested an 8GB Sandisk Extreme 4 in my P65+ several times and consistently got between 8.5 and 9 seconds from shutter press to 100% zoom view albeit it requires three button presses... so we have an improvement on the IQ180 of between 2 and 2.5 seconds over the p65+.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    Tim -

    This was with an 8GB Sandisk Extreme. I've always thought 4 seconds on my 5DMK-II was a bit on the slow side, so I can understand. I think we have to keep in mind that many of these tests will be evaluations of performance via Version 1 and that improvements may indeed be forthcoming.

    But it's important to benchmark the current status concerning the out of the box experience. I'm sure we'll have some back and forth with the development team with regard to many of our findings to get a sense what type of improvements may be in store down the road.


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    the 2 seconds improvement is because you dont need to press the 3 buttons

    Seriously in the video, they said instantaneous viewing

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    Re: IQ180 has arrived. Request for tests.

    Based on Lance's post from another thread (below) it appears we may be being a bit harsh on P1 about the hardcase and C1 licence. And to think I was half-joking when I said that the cardboard box shipped in a hardcase.

    Lance posted an image of the packaging + hardcase in the thread.

    http://www.forums.getdpi.com/forum/n...reply&p=312534

    Quote Originally Posted by lance_schad View Post
    People are always asking what's the difference between Value Add and Classic configurations from Phase One, so I have taken a picture of what came with our IQ180 demo unit and am providing a descriptions of contents the contents that come with each config. The only difference I have seen so far in the kits between the P+ and IQ is the addition of a USB 3.0 cable.

    Classic Configuration:
    IQ or P+ Digital Back w/ 1 year classic warranty
    Accessories:

    - Small Weatherproof case
    - Digital back Battery
    - Dual DB battery charger
    - 4.5m Firewire Cable
    - CCD Cleaning Kit
    - Capture One DB

    Value Added Configuration:
    IQ Digital Back w/ 5 Year Valued Added Warranty (loaner unit during repair)
    P+ Digital Back w/3 Year Value Added Warranty (loaner unit during repair)
    Accessories:
    - Waterproof stroller hard case with room for 17 laptop
    - 2 lens wraps
    - 2 digital back batteries
    - 4.5m Firewire Cable (800 to 800 w/ IQ)
    - Dual DB battery charger
    - DB Multi connector cable
    - LCC calibration plate
    - CF card (4gb or 8gb)
    - CF card reader
    - QP reference cards
    - Digiclean CCD cleaning kit
    - USB 3 cable
    - Capture One Pro license

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Santoso View Post
    the 2 seconds improvement is because you dont need to press the 3 buttons

    Seriously in the video, they said instantaneous viewing
    Yup, and that is economical with the truth: it is only instant for an image that has already been processed - say, one you took a few minutes ago.

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    Lance's post is only for the value added I think. It does not say hard case for the classic one

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    Re: IQ180 has arrived. Request for tests.

    Quote Originally Posted by narikin View Post
    It ain't about the accesories, BUT...

    1: Same charger made for an amateur video camcorder c.1992.
    2: No USB3.0 > USB 3.0 lead? hello it is 2011.
    3: How many batteries, what capacity?
    4: They only give you C1 DB ?! -all that money and they don't give you the full C1 Pro licence. I mean... really? a little gift, is surely possible.

    Ok, I have to play a little devils advocate here (don't take that literally).

    The case - keep in mind the Leica S2 comes in a very similar packaging. They do still offer the Storm rolling case with the Value Add Warranty. It doesn't appear - at this point - a hard case comes with the Classic Kit. If so, then perhaps that will come later, because these first Classic Warranty Kits have arrived only in the box, no case.

    USB - There are multiple USB 3 formats and the supplied cable is compatible with USB 3 on both ends.

    Charger - It's by far the best charger supplied with any digital back sold today. Is there a better one? PM some suggestions to me and we'll have Phase One change this tomorrow! Well, ok, maybe not. But send me some suggestions please. One thing I do know is that smaller 3rd party accessories like these tend to get purchased in bulk by relatively smaller companies like Phase One, Leaf, etc, (it's the only way to get the price down, as these 3rd party companies typically sell them in way higher volume to huge companies). So, sometimes, it takes some time (years and years) to whittle through the inventory and the cost is not insignificant. On the Plus side (pun intended) if you're upgrading from a recent vintage Plus back, then you'll have 2 of the same charger, for volume charging or for backup, since you'll be able to keep the one you already have.

    One battery - same capacity. Classic package has always been 1 battery, Value Add always has 2 batteries. Remember, we have the same battery for $40.

    Regarding C1, isn't the IQ gift enough? But seriously, I can see both sides, why send someone a C1 Pro license when they may not even have a Canon/Nikon camera to use with it? Probably they do, but it's probably less a percentage than you think. It's not accurate to think of throwing in a $399 licensed piece of software as a freebie, or insignificant. Yes, it is a license, but there is support for that license, and that is indeed a cost. And it does offset the efforts of the software division that is designed to produce sales to 3rd party cameras. And support for 3rd party cameras is often more difficult than support for Phase One products. I'm divided on this issue. It would be a nice gesture. It actually makes the most sense from a marketing perspective. But it does seem potentially wasted on perhaps 30% or more of the purchasers, who may not have a Canon or Nikon. They can always download a trial. But...then again....


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