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    Single best Single Worst feautures in your camera

    I am interested to hear what people think is the single best feature in the camera that they have chosen to mount their choice of digital back. I am also interestd to hear what users beieve to be the single worst feature in the same system.

    To kick start things - the single best feature ( for me) with H series bodies is the fact that the grip has a rechargeable battery in it that powers both camera and back. The single worst feature is that there are a numbe of tiny buttons lying behind the grip in the front of the body which are difficult for me to access whilst shooting.

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    Re: Single best Single Worst feautures in your camera

    Mamiya AFD3 and Phase P45+

    I like the lightweight, fast and intuitive handling provided by the excellent ergos, UI, menus and button layout.

    My biggest gripe is the relatively short battery life (uses 6 AA's in the grip).
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    Currently using a Mamiya AFD II and P30+ but will soon be using the newer Mamiya/Phase III.

    I agree with Jack the batteries in the body suck – it would be nice to have the same battery as the back.

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    Seems like a simple question till you start to think about it. The guys at Sinar will kill me after they've spent countless thousands of hours developing the technological state of the art body but for me the single best feature is the viewfinder. Doesn't matter if it's WLF or 45 degree prism... it's just so darn bright that even a blind person (me) can nail manual focus. Worst feature for me is the location of the alternate button for AF. I haven't been a "half-press of the shutter button to focus" guy for a long time and have gotten accustomed to using my thumb to active the alternate AF buttom. On the Hy6 that button is located on the opposite side of the camera (and it's small to boot). I've suggested to Sinar that they modify the firmware to allow the user to select the button of his choice for that function. Apologies in advance to Thierry

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    The worst thing about the MF camera I DON'T own is the price.

    I just spent a week in a workshop at the Maine Media Workshops (which is only an hour away from me) and half the class was shooting film, the other half digital. I was using my M8 for the daily shoots/critiques. I did my digital processing on my laptop and the onsite lab would process film shooter's contacts by breakfast and have prints of the chosen shots for the next day's class critique. My little M8 did extremely well, even when stacked up against MF cameras. The 3D quality, sharpness, and even the B&W conversions I did with it never failed to generate comments.

    However, I came away wanting to sell my Nikon system, keep the M8 and buy a larger format camera. The instructor shoots 8x10 film(!), and had a friend of hers stop by to show his work who shoots 5x7 colloidian process!!! (This guy travels around Maine with his Toyota packed with all the wet chemistry to coat plates and develop them after the shot. The stuff is extremely toxic and each plate requires a tremendous amount of preparation. His stuff was phenomenal).

    So I began to think about what I could do to move into a larger format. I am considering either a Chamonix (want an Ebony!) or a Hassleblad (like the square). But no darkroom is a problem. So I re-thought MF digital. Crikey! It's expensive!

    Sorry for this little intrusion into your discussion, but I think the cost factor is a real issue. I honestly believe that as costs come down, more people like me will take the plunge. In the meantime, I'm grateful to all of you early adopters who churn the market a little and hope to benefit from your cast-offs at some point.

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    Re: Single best Single Worst feautures in your camera

    Best on the H is total integration for speed/consistancy/ease. Worst is total integration for use on other MF cameras.

    Previous experience with Mamiya AFD-II: Best was flexibility of backs that could be used. Worst was a toss up between poor power supply, lack of WL finder, and use of Metz flash unit.

    (Peter, have you investigated the latest ability to customize the H user button to do priority functions while shooting?)

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    Re: Single best Single Worst feautures in your camera

    Marc:

    You didn't like the way the Metz flash integrated on the Mamiya? (Or was it the Metz flash itself?) I ask because I find the integration and exposure from the Metz 54 on my Mamiya -- with the proper ttl foot -- better than any Canon flash I ever used on any Canon body period. Maybe not up to Nikon in this regard, but definitely very, very good for automated flash -- at least IMO...
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    I've just been demoing a Hy6 with the 75LV back, courtesy of Steve Hendrix of PPR who is great.

    I have to agree with David, the best thing is the viewfinder. You can take a swim in it. It is bright enough to make stopping down to check dof field really useful. I think it is good enough to improve my final images by making me more aware of the full image field.

    Over all the camera is a dream ergonomically, the grip and handling are great.

    Small DOF in available light coming from an M8 was biggest challenge, and I have to admit I didn't try the obvious solution of shooting at higher ISO.

    I shot side by side with the M8, and the Sinar was better in 17x22 inch prints, but I had to look hard to see the difference. It wasn't, in my mind, better enough to justify the huge cost not even including lenses, and the computer upgrade I'd want to handle the files.

    My comparison was not scientific, and I'm sure with help and time I could get much better at capturing and printing the files.

    So in the end, I hate returning the camera which is such a pleasure to use, but as an amateur who is just beginning to sell prints, I'm holding off, and looking forward to Photokina, and hoping to hear a great price cut announcement from Sinar.

    Like others, I want a 22 meg back with a great outdoor viewable screen. I really don't see much besides a few firmware improvements I'd want in the Hy6.

    Sorry to be so longwinded.

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    Re: Single best Single Worst feautures in your camera

    I am also using the Hy6, having come to it from film and the 6008AF and 203FE. I have only had it a short while now, so my comments are as I am beginning to learn it, not as one who has mastered it. As such, you should take them with a grain of salt. To me, the best feature is the ergonomics and layout. The camera is superbly designed -- the shutter release is just right, the grip is excellent, and it is easy to change all the pertinent settings quickly and easily. It balances well and it is lighter and more compact than the 6008AF.
    The single worst feature is that they still have not been able to make it meter like a Nikon. With the D3, I can get an accurate meter reading in almost all possible situations with little to no effort. It is just spot on. The Hy6 in matrix mode just does not give particularly accurate exposures...neither did the 6008. On the other hand, the 203FE and M7/M8 have center-weighted only meters that seem to be inordinately accurate if you point them at something appropriate. I need to do more experimentation with the Hy6 and the center weighted/spot metering patterns, but I am disappointed that there is not a metering mode that you can just expect to be accurate in all normal situations. I am willing to forgive confusion in backlighting or snowstorms or black sand beaches, but I would like to be able to just not have to worry about metering if I am in a hurry.

    By the way, my comments are with respect to the body only. If we are going to bring the back into it...well, there is no getting around the fact that the screen is unspeakably awful, nor that the resolution and color from the photos are breathtaking.
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    Re: Single best Single Worst feautures in your camera

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Marc:

    You didn't like the way the Metz flash integrated on the Mamiya? (Or was it the Metz flash itself?) I ask because I find the integration and exposure from the Metz 54 on my Mamiya -- with the proper ttl foot -- better than any Canon flash I ever used on any Canon body period. Maybe not up to Nikon in this regard, but definitely very, very good for automated flash -- at least IMO...
    That is excellent to hear Jack !!! ... my camera was a AFD-II with a Leaf Aptus 75s, and I was using the correct module on the Metz 54 and the ISO defaulted to 100 on the flash. Any ISO was okay as long as it was 100. I went around-and-around with Metz and Mamiya tech support ... and finally gave up.
    I even bought a second module and tried both of them on 2 different Metz flashes. Zip difference. In the end, it may have been something to do with the Aptus back ... I really don't know.

    One of the best on camera flash control I've used to date is that of the H3D because the camera assumes control of all flash functions and I need not deal with the finicky buttons of the Metz ... plus, get more consistant results than even the D3 with SB900 ... and most certainly better than any Canon I ever used. Flash is very important to me as I shoot weddings in dark places.

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    I agree with Peter about the small buttons on the front of the camera being next to useless. For me Hassy solved that problem by allowing customizing the "User" button to provide those functions associated with the front buttons. I set mine to either stop down or mirror up to make life easier.

    For me the single best feature about the H3 is the ability to use all the legacy V lenses. These are still some of the finest lenses ever built and one would not want to have to spend the big bucks to replicate them with FujiBlad glass.

    The worst feature is that you have to pay $1000 for an adapter to use the V Glass. In fact, all the accessories for the H system are unreasonably expensive IMHO. Obviously a Gillette razor and razor blade analogy applies here.

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    While we are talking about Flashes here.. I would like to chime in. I have a metz 54, metz 76mz-5, and quantum t5d and have been using each with the H3DII. The metz 54 works well in general in all modes including TTL. The metz 76, which is the newest handle flash made by metz. I know that Marc uses the metz 70. The metz 76 does not work in TTL mode. I always get an overexposed shot and cannot control the flash while in TTL from the camera or flash. I have tried two flashes and two modules. Moreover, I have used the same module with the metz 54, which works in all modes including TTL. I have contacted Metz. The USA support was not very helpful and it took me a long time to actually get a reply (multiple attempts). However, I finally talked (by email) to a senior person in Germany. His response ----TTL mode was not meant to work with digital sensors. I explained that I have had good results with the metz and other flashes with other digital cameras etc. It seems as though something was changed from the metz 70 to 76 and it is kind of sad that Metz is just blowing this off. THe metz 76 does do well in A mode -- even as a fill flash and it is controllable via the camera.

    The quantum uses an adapter as well and you need to use the adapter control to change the TTL mode. HOwever, I have not gotten great consistency in TTL mode with this flash either. I did speak to Quantum (they were very responsive-- although their web site needs updating). They said they are making a new adapter for the H3D. SO I asked when they would be available. I was told in honesty Hasselblad has not been responsive to Quantum's request until recently. However as of a month ago it is my understanding that the software changes need to be disclosed to make the new adapter. As of a month ago, they still had not gotten the information they need.
    So I am not as pleased as Marc is with the flash. Again the metz 54 works flawlessly but their newer handle flash does not.

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    That is excellent to hear Jack !!! ... my camera was a AFD-II with a Leaf Aptus 75s, and I was using the correct module on the Metz 54 and the ISO defaulted to 100 on the flash. Any ISO was okay as long as it was 100. I went around-and-around with Metz and Mamiya tech support ... and finally gave up.
    I even bought a second module and tried both of them on 2 different Metz flashes. Zip difference. In the end, it may have been something to do with the Aptus back ... I really don't know.

    One of the best on camera flash control I've used to date is that of the H3D because the camera assumes control of all flash functions and I need not deal with the finicky buttons of the Metz ... plus, get more consistant results than even the D3 with SB900 ... and most certainly better than any Canon I ever used. Flash is very important to me as I shoot weddings in dark places.

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    Camera of choice: Sinar Hy6

    Single Best Feature(s): 6x6 Square with Revolving back. Totally subjective, but I prefer this method over sensor rotation. The revolving mechanism is smooth, yet firm. Once experienced, it is hard to accept any other camera.

    Single Worst Feature: Lack of focal plane shutter. It almost doesn't make sense to have a fast lens like the 180 / 2.8, and then only be able to shoot it at 1/500 maximum. Other than this, it would be the perfect camera.

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    Mamiya AFDII: I like the configurability - AF under my right thumb, and so forth. I also like the exposure compensation right on the finder. It could use a vertical shutter release though, and rechargeable Li-Ion batteries. And I still haven't gotten used to the AF/MF switch position.

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    Nothing to apologize, David!

    Feedback is what we need.

    Thanks,
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    I've suggested to Sinar that they modify the firmware to allow the user to select the button of his choice for that function. Apologies in advance to Thierry

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    Hasselblad 503CW + CFV....The CFV back got the Hasselblad out of the closet and taking pictures again..the worst is the internal battery.

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    When I got my 110/2 I was thinking the same thing...how could they make a fast lens like that and have maximum speed of 1/500... but you know I've never had a need for faster than that. At first it seems crazy I know, but at ISO 50 its almost never that bright outside (at least here in foggy San Francisco) to need it. Actually I have the opposite problem much more often - wish I could shoot at ISO 800 or ISO 1600 with my back. Of course when the made the lens you could get film at ISO 25 or lower. Didn't they make Kodachrome 6? Anyhow the times when I use 1/1000 with my PQS lenses is mostly with flash.

    But getting back to my camera probably the glass for the Rollei system is its biggest advantage but its pretty nice all around. The 6008 AF is a great camera. I also like the exposure and aperture control in 1/3 stops, the egronomics, and all the accessories that are available.

    The thing I dislike most is probably the weight of the lenses.




    Quote Originally Posted by David Klepacki View Post
    Camera of choice: Sinar Hy6

    Single Best Feature(s): 6x6 Square with Revolving back. Totally subjective, but I prefer this method over sensor rotation. The revolving mechanism is smooth, yet firm. Once experienced, it is hard to accept any other camera.

    Single Worst Feature: Lack of focal plane shutter. It almost doesn't make sense to have a fast lens like the 180 / 2.8, and then only be able to shoot it at 1/500 maximum. Other than this, it would be the perfect camera.
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    Contax 645

    The best is auto focus.

    The worst is the mechanism in lens cups.

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    Well, since I use two cameras with my back I'm going twice.
    Contax 645
    Best for me is it's ability to use a wide range of lenses from both Zeiss and Hasselblad via adapter.
    Worst is the fact that, as a discontinued system, you may have difficulty getting some accessories for it and the popular ones can command a pretty steep price.

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    Re: Single best Single Worst feautures in your camera

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    That is excellent to hear Jack !!! ... my camera was a AFD-II with a Leaf Aptus 75s, and I was using the correct module on the Metz 54 and the ISO defaulted to 100 on the flash. Any ISO was okay as long as it was 100. I went around-and-around with Metz and Mamiya tech support ... and finally gave up.
    Hi Marc,

    That's interesting... Could have been an issue with the Aptus back or the module. I have seen reference to two different modules for the AFD, one is the 3952 and I think the other was a 3951. Anyway, I have the 3952 module on my 54 MZ3 and all I do is set the flash to TTL, it reads the ISO off the Phase back directly and inputs it to the flash. If I am at 100, the flash shows 100, if I switch my back to 200, the flash reflects that change immediately and displays 200. The auto zoom feature works too, zooming to the mounted focal, aperture set on the camera is immediately reflected on the flash LCD and of course when the flash is turned on, the shutter speed sets automatically on the camera.

    HOWEVER, there is one small nit I've found with the Metz: as you know, you can set the focal length display to match different formats. But if you set it for 645, for whatever reason the auto zoom feature stops working. Manual zoom works fine, but the head won't set the focal automatically as you change lenses. However, with the flash configured for the 35mm format, auto zoom works fine but displays the 35 format equivalent focal for the lens you have mounted. (For example, if I have my normal 80 mounted, the flash display shows 50mm, mount my 210, the head zooms to 135mm.)

    Aside from that, it works like it's supposed to, and more importantly, I get excellent exposures AND excellent WB using the daylight setting on my back.

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    Sounds like I need the Metz 54. Been using the Nikon SB 800 on A mode and works pretty good but I need to set everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EH21 View Post
    When I got my 110/2 I was thinking the same thing...how could they make a fast lens like that and have maximum speed of 1/500... but you know I've never had a need for faster than that. At first it seems crazy I know, but at ISO 50 its almost never that bright outside (at least here in foggy San Francisco) to need it. Actually I have the opposite problem much more often - wish I could shoot at ISO 800 or ISO 1600 with my back. Of course when the made the lens you could get film at ISO 25 or lower. Didn't they make Kodachrome 6? Anyhow the times when I use 1/1000 with my PQS lenses is mostly with flash....

    Outdoor work for me almost always requires faster than 1/500, at least for some part of the day. Also, I need the leaf shutter lenses only for the situations where the higher sync flash is required. Otherwise, I prefer to use the focal plane shutter and work with the ambient light, whether bright or dim (so, I also agree with your need for better high ISO).

    In general, cameras with focal plane shutters are much less of a hassle in terms of maintenance (and maintenance costs). With leaf shutter lenses, which are poorly weather sealed like most MF glass, you need to send ALL of your lenses in constantly (yearly) for an "oil change" in order to maintain accurate shutter speeds and to prevent the dreaded "lock up" that can happen on the job if you are not diligent in doing this. So, lets say six lenses annual service cost of about $100 each will run you $600 yearly, and more if you have more lenses.

    On the other hand, with a focal plane shutter camera, you only need to send your camera body in for such maintenance, and you can keep your lenses working longer with alternate backup bodies. Also, the maintenance periods on the camera body can be stretched much longer than with the leaf shutter lenses, since the bodies tend to be better weather sealed.

    So, the ideal camera for me would have a decent focal plane shutter, and also be able to use leaf shutter lenses.....and hopefully weather-sealed.
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    best thing about my h2 is probably the mirror up buton in front of the grip. very usefull and easy to access.
    the worst theing about the h2: lens error. its happened about 4 times and i have no idea why. once on a brand new 110mm which i had to return. pita.

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    The ease of mirror lockup is clearly a big plus

    Quote Originally Posted by kipling View Post
    best thing about my h2 is probably the mirror up buton in front of the grip. very usefull and easy to access.
    the worst theing about the h2: lens error. its happened about 4 times and i have no idea why. once on a brand new 110mm which i had to return. pita.

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    Yes, the hy6 has that feature right next to the thumb as well. It is very nice to have. I like how on the Hy6 it will stay locked up until you press it again as well. Excellent for doing multiple shots, tethered shooting and the like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Klepacki View Post
    Outdoor work for me almost always requires faster than 1/500, at least for some part of the day. Also, I need the leaf shutter lenses only for the situations where the higher sync flash is required. Otherwise, I prefer to use the focal plane shutter and work with the ambient light, whether bright or dim (so, I also agree with your need for better high ISO).

    In general, cameras with focal plane shutters are much less of a hassle in terms of maintenance (and maintenance costs). With leaf shutter lenses, which are poorly weather sealed like most MF glass, you need to send ALL of your lenses in constantly (yearly) for an "oil change" in order to maintain accurate shutter speeds and to prevent the dreaded "lock up" that can happen on the job if you are not diligent in doing this. So, lets say six lenses annual service cost of about $100 each will run you $600 yearly, and more if you have more lenses.

    On the other hand, with a focal plane shutter camera, you only need to send your camera body in for such maintenance, and you can keep your lenses working longer with alternate backup bodies. Also, the maintenance periods on the camera body can be stretched much longer than with the leaf shutter lenses, since the bodies tend to be better weather sealed.

    So, the ideal camera for me would have a decent focal plane shutter, and also be able to use leaf shutter lenses.....and hopefully weather-sealed.
    Yeah that would be best of both worlds, I guess. But I still see this as a big advantage and to repeat myself the best thing about the Rollei is the lenses. Leaf shutters make hand holding at slower speeds a reality. Unless you could disable the focal plane shutter it would make no sense to have both.

    Take a look though at a simple shot I took hand held just the other day of the clouds by my studio at sunset. Shot with the Rollei 6008 AF with the 40mm f/3.5 lens at f/5.6 and 1/60 didn't use mirror up, just shot it. First the full frame - see the tiny spec left of center frame? That's an airplane. Now check the crop. Hard to believe I could get this sharp with a focal plane shutter.

    Well I don't know David about the dreaded lock up on the Rollei leaf shutters. 12,000 frames and no lockups and no "oil changes". But California weather isn't severe. Actually when you look at some of these Rollei lenses most of the ones floating around on the used market are 10-15 years old or more. In fact some of mine are almost 20 years old, certainly the 60mm curtagon is and its the only one of my lenses that needed to have its shutter calibrated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark1958 View Post
    The ease of mirror lockup is clearly a big plus
    Really interesting that you guys rate this as your best feature and Peter A rates it as the worst and i reprogram M UP to the User button on the rear panel of the H3. Really shows why the designers have such a hard time trying to figure out where (statistically) the user population will land.

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    Having said all that I still feel the H3 has the best ergonomics of all the MfDB cameras albeit without a rotating back which would be great.

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    Hasselblad 503CW + CFV....The CFV back got the Hasselblad out of the closet and taking pictures again..the worst is the internal battery.

    Steve
    503CWD-II here.....what's this about the internal battery? Just got my camera about 2 weeks ago, so I'm still learning about it. Unfortunately, the camera and 40mm IF lens had to go back to Hasselblad USA for an adjustment of some sort (40mm lens wouldn't trip the shutter/back on the 503CWD, but the lens worked fine on my 501CM). Back to the battery.....I actually like the use of the Sony camcorder batteries....easy to come by and i already had a few of them on hand.

    For me, best thing about the 503CWD-II is square format digital and worst is.....I don't know yet.

    Gary Benson
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    By the way.....Steve Hendrix at PPR has done a terrific job of contacting Hasselblad and helping me sort out the problem with the 40mm lens and 503CWD. Really glad I bought the camera from Steve & PPR!

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    "Woody

    Having said all that I still feel the H3 has the best ergonomics of all the MfDB cameras albeit without a rotating back which would be great."


    All of this stuff is so individual, but for me the ergo of the Hy6 is clearly superior to the H3. The grip of the H3 makes a waist level finder break my wrist, not to mention that there is no meter with WLF.

    The Hy6 rotating back is great, totally simple easy to use and solid.

    A pleasant surprise about the Hy6 was, after complaining bitterly about the color scheme on the forum, in person I actually found it to be quite good looking.

    Yes, I'm in Hy6 withdrawal. It's like using a Rolls for a few days and then going back to a BMW 3 series (my M8.) Can't complain, but I'd like to have both. !:^)

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    Mitchell

    I won't disagree with you because I have never used the HY6. I should have said, in the spirit of full disclosure, that the H3 has the best ergonomics of all the MFDB systems that I can afford. I never considered Sinar or Rollei because of the price differences compared to Hassy or Mamiya. Also, to be fair, I already had a pretty significant arsenal of V lenses from my CFV days so changing horses at this point in the race would have been a very significant expense.

    From everything I have heard about the Sinar system (guess it also pretty much applies to Rollei and Leaf as well) the products are very good indeed. Actually if you cut through it, all these MFDB systems are very good! All comes down to shooting priorities and personal tastes.

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    Let's see . . . worst feature.

    H3D-39, with gps unit, a modified Kirk L bracket and an HC 28 most of the time.

    Big and heavy. Really big and heavy. A total handful. Visually it's about the size of my first car, a VW beetle. I've done over 100k exposures through Canon 1D whatevers, but the H3D is much more of a handful. It doesn't hang on a neckstrap gracefully. The H3D isn't a lot heavier than the typical Canon setup, but its enough heavier to make a significant difference.

    Now . . . put on the V adapter and the lovely 40mm - bigger and heavier yet, and way front heavy. Try the HC zoom or macro - hernia city - don't even consider handholding.

    By way of comparison my "other camera", most of the time, is an M8 with the 28mm 'chron.

    Best feature: huge, deep files with glorious, flexible color and the capacity, seemingly, to handle endless post-processing abuse with grace.

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    Yeah that would be best of both worlds, I guess. But I still see this as a big advantage and to repeat myself the best thing about the Rollei is the lenses. Leaf shutters make hand holding at slower speeds a reality. Unless you could disable the focal plane shutter it would make no sense to have both....
    Oh man, this tells me that you have never used a Contax 645. Hand held use at slower speeds has more to do with the mirror damping than the shutter vibration. There is no MF camera that can be hand held at lower shutter speeds than the Contax 645. Hand held 1/60 is absolutely no problem for the Contax, and typically it can go to about 1/15 without blur. Until you actually shoot with one, you will not really appreciate what a good focal plane shutter camera can do.

    Of course, it makes no sense to USE both shutters at the same time. It sounds like you have not used a Hasselblad 203 or 205 camera, which has a focal plane shutter. When a leaf shutter lens is mounted to these cameras, you can choose to use the leaf shutter only (e.g., for 1/500 flash sync), or the focal plane shutter only (e.g., for higher speeds up to 1/2000). This is what I believe the Hy6 should offer as well.

    I believe this "two shutter system" is also the strategic direction for Phase and Mamiya. Their bodies are already based on focal plane shutters, and they have announced that they will be introducing leaf shutter lenses for these cameras as well....apparently very soon.

    And, if Hasselblad has been listening to Marc Williams, you will eventually see a focal plane shutter added to their H series cameras.

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    While I don't pretend to carry Marc's clout with Hassy I am loudly proclaiming the same need. It is silly to have to use a 203FE with yet another MF Back in order to get focal plane. An H body with focal plane I believe will create many additional sales for Hassy. They have to be careful because when Mamiya/Phase come out with their leaf lenses (apparently at Photokina according to Doug Peterson from Caputure Integration on another thread here) the momentum will continue to swing towards them and away from Hassy IMHO>

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    And, if Hasselblad has been listening to Marc Williams, you will eventually see a focal plane shutter added to their H series cameras.
    Marc,
    If you really have clout with Hasselblad, I hope you've been asking for a fast 60-70mm prime lens as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Klepacki View Post
    I believe this "two shutter system" is also the strategic direction for Phase and Mamiya. Their bodies are already based on focal plane shutters, and they have announced that they will be introducing leaf shutter lenses for these cameras as well....apparently very soon.
    It will be interesting to see the price and variety of these new lenses when they come to market. Hate to say this out loud but the problem with new lenses is that you have to buy them new and that can get pricey pretty quickly. I'm guessing that 2-4 lenses will be far more expensive than my alternate Contax 645 kit, with adapter plate and a full set of lenses. Something to consider for those who dismiss the Hy6 kit based on price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Klepacki View Post
    Oh man, this tells me that you have never used a Contax 645. Hand held use at slower speeds has more to do with the mirror damping than the shutter vibration. There is no MF camera that can be hand held at lower shutter speeds than the Contax 645. Hand held 1/60 is absolutely no problem for the Contax, and typically it can go to about 1/15 without blur. Until you actually shoot with one, you will not really appreciate what a good focal plane shutter camera can do.
    David,

    I suspect you have not used a Mamiya AFD2 or 3 body recently... I owned and shot Contax 645 several years back (film and Kodak DCS back) and IMO Mamiya has done an even better job on shutter/mirror damping on their 645 than even Contax. (Mind you, in comparison the RZ has a big mirror and it definitely slaps around some.) It is clear that Mamiya has gone to great lengths to dampen the shutter and mirror in the AFD body's, and frankly they are very usable hand-held to low shutter speeds too.

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    "503CWD-II here.....what's this about the internal battery?"
    http://www.hasselbladinfo.com/forum/...ight=date+time

    I think the problem has been corrected with the CFV II....I seems that most failed within the warranty period...Mine failed 2 months out of warranty.

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    Marc,
    If you really have clout with Hasselblad, I hope you've been asking for a fast 60-70mm prime lens as well.
    Billy
    Billy, the only clout I have is with my check book.

    Personally I wouldn't be interested in a 60 to 70mm prime lens and would vote no with my check book.

    I'd write a check tomorrow for a focal plane H body with a modern shutter that sync's at 1/200th and goes to a 1/6000th top shutter speed.

    Not an unreasonable request IMHO.

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    Billy, the only clout I have is with my check book.

    Personally I wouldn't be interested in a 60 to 70mm prime lens and would vote no with my check book.

    I'd write a check tomorrow for a focal plane H body with a modern shutter that sync's at 1/200th and goes to a 1/6000th top shutter speed.

    Not an unreasonable request IMHO.
    I know a few fashion photographers who keep the 50-110mm zoom taped on 70mm....a sweet spot for them perspective-wise for the 31MP sensor size.

    I'd write a check for that focal plane H body as well.
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    Nope I have tried the Contax but while I know quite a lot of good photographers that I respect use it, I felt it awkward and was not impressed with the viewfinder.

    I am able to get sharp images with slow shutter speeds such as 1/15 with the Rollei don't get me wrong when I posted the previous image at a stated speed I was quite happy because the wind was blowing me around.

    But I'd be interesred to see some of your shots hand held from whatever MF camera pleases you - so long as they are real shots and not pictures of wall calendars or print on cardboard boxes. :-)
    Anyone can keep shooting that stuff till they get a sharp one - much more valid to show something more challenging.
    Quote Originally Posted by David Klepacki View Post
    Oh man, this tells me that you have never used a Contax 645. Hand held use at slower speeds has more to do with the mirror damping than the shutter vibration. There is no MF camera that can be hand held at lower shutter speeds than the Contax 645. Hand held 1/60 is absolutely no problem for the Contax, and typically it can go to about 1/15 without blur. Until you actually shoot with one, you will not really appreciate what a good focal plane shutter camera can do.

    Of course, it makes no sense to USE both shutters at the same time. It sounds like you have not used a Hasselblad 203 or 205 camera, which has a focalf shutter lens is mounted to these cameras, you can choose to use the leaf shutter only (e.g., for 1/500 flash sync), or the focal plane shutter only (e.g., for higher speeds up to 1/2000). This is what I believe the Hy6 should offer as well.

    I believe this "two shutter system" is also the strategic direction for Phase and Mamiya. Their bodies are already based on focal plane shutters, and they have announced that they will be introducing leaf shutter lenses for these cameras as well....apparently very soon.

    And, if Hasselblad has been listening to Marc Williams, you will eventually see a focal plane shutter added to their H series cameras.

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    Yes oh yes oh yes............Please Hasselblad........a nice focal plane shutter body for those of us who need it. Christmas present?

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    If you want to shoot handheld with medium format, nothing is going to beat the Mamiya 7II. Sadly, you are not going to find a digital back for it...
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    If you want to shoot handheld with medium format, nothing is going to beat the Mamiya 7II. Sadly, you are not going to find a digital back for it...
    Amen

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    Yes, that would be cool a Mamiya 7II with digital back. Another couple we are not likely going to see that might be fun would be a TLR or a SL66 with digital backs.

    Actually forgot to mention that the Rollei 6008 does have a focal plane shutter - its sort of an auxiliary shutter - not useful except for slow speeds. I have used it to shoot with optics sans shutter such as home made tilt shift stuff attached via body caps.

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