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    Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Hello

    I'm new with medium format cameras and im just asking witch is better for money to buy. I have looked at h4d-40 and p40 and 645df and cannot make decision witch one to buy. I own now 35mm full frame cannon and i'm looking to improve my camera gear. Can you help me witch one is better for lenses and ergonomics.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Thats a very tough question without a lot more info from you on what you tend to shoot. There is plenty of data on the MF forum to start your quest but i recommend highly you do your homework first and try them out before writing any check. This is the big porch club and deep wallet stuff. They are both very good system and end of the day the IQ is excellent on both . The questions that remains are what preference you like in the software, hardware and workflow. Not to even mention your needs and budget.
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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    This should be a spirited discussion!

    Everyone has an opinion on what makes XX system better than YY system - just like why one likes a pilsner or a stout. I agree with Guy in that you have to look at what you shoot, how you shoot and what your budget is. MF digital is 1 fps capture not the 10 fps of the Canon. In the end, MF is a different animal for specific results. It is not the stealthy street rig nor the Ferrari fast sports kit, but it will give you the best image quality out there no matter what brand you finally purchase.

    There is a large photo show coming to NYC in October, PDN Photo Expo, http://www.photoplusexpo.com/ where you could see and try all of the gear that you are thinking about and ask questions to your hearts content. Registration is free to the show well worth the trip from Finland to be able to handle all of the gear under one roof.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Had asked myself the same question 2 years ago and came to the conclusion that I should go with the system which has the best price / performance to offer. I finally went with Hasselblad H3D39 instead of Phase because I got a really nice offer of a Customer Pre Owned H3D39 (half the new price).

    And you know I never did regret! Especially when it comes to changing systems, as I did never loose the 50% of this camera as I had lost if I would have bought it new. And both give you great trade in programs, where I must say that the Phase trade in is even more interesting as the Hassi trade in, as you also could trade in a Hasselblad HD camera for a Phase, which you cannot the other way round. Thus if you first go Hasselblad and later decide to move to Phase you have a great possibility. In my case I would get 39% discount for my H3D39 (39MP) if I trade for any of the Phase IQ and P+ models.

    So my advice is, look for a really good offer, this is long term the best value for your money and we are talking here about big investments.

    Both systems are great, both have their benefits and flaws, but end of the day they both are perfect tools for a good photographer - period. All other discussion is cosmetic and finally only will cost money. If you want to do MFD and spend reasonably low money then just follow my advice above.

    Hope that helps.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    The latest list is here (click the link under the picture). I'd love that H3DII39 & the 35-90 but don't, unfortunately, have the odd $20,000 lying about!

    I chose Hasselblad almost by accident but am very happy with my H2 & PhaseOneP20 back, but of course I'd like something a bit later model. I have a bit of an investment in lenses now so will probably stick with Hasselblad now (sudden fortunes unexpectedly falling into lap may change this, but I am not holding my breath).
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    It still comes down to the swordsman being more important than the sword. Either sword will serve you well.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    If you ever see yourself with a tech camera, you should probably go with Phase. If you are SLR all the way, then Hasselblad might be a better fit. IMO:)

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Quote Originally Posted by alan_w_george View Post
    If you ever see yourself with a tech camera, you should probably go with Phase. If you are SLR all the way, then Hasselblad might be a better fit. IMO
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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Quote Originally Posted by alan_w_george View Post
    If you ever see yourself with a tech camera, you should probably go with Phase. If you are SLR all the way, then Hasselblad might be a better fit. IMO
    Why do you state the above?
    I did my research and purchased an Arca-Swiss for my Hasselblad H4D50
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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Curious about that too. I purchased a Technikardan 23 to use with my Hasselblad cfv39.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Quote Originally Posted by stngoldberg View Post
    Why do you state the above?
    I did my research and purchased an Arca-Swiss for my Hasselblad H4D50
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    external battery is the reason

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    From all that I can tell, there is not much between the systems ......

    But, on a purchase of this scale, I went with a dealer. It is proving a very wise decision. MFDB's are complex beasts. The software is a big part of the flow, and I had to give up my Adobe Lightroom as my raw converter. Looked at C1, and it's a great bit of code.

    As for value to dollar, I put up with a Mamiya ZD back for almost a year before I could tolerate it no more, but it sold me on the advantages of MFDB over FF SLR, shot the ZD vs and Nikon D3X, and the difference was very noticeable. In favor of MFDB. Succumbed to a P30+ when I had the extra cash AND the knowledge that MFDB in the studio would give me the warm fuzzy feeling that I needed to spend used sports car money on a camera.

    Would you really rather have a hot Mazda or newer Harley? How about a month long photo safari for two in Kenya? That's the decision making process for a hobby shooter like me.

    If you are a landscape shooter, I would strongly suggest dropping about 1K on a LF kit and shoot a bit of film, look to have it drum scanned, and that will give you a really good idea of the process.

    If you are a studio shooter, Pickup an Mamiya AFD for a few hundred bucks, shoot some film, and have it scanned. The shooting process is almost identical, and shooting a good B&W film, the results are darn close, the convenience factor is way different.

    Check the classifieds for Precision camera, they have a new scanning service.

    Hope it works out!

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Quote Originally Posted by djonesii View Post
    But, on a purchase of this scale, I went with a dealer. It is proving a very wise decision. MFDB's are complex beasts.
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    This comment deserves underscoring irrespective of which brand you choose. In the unfortunate event you have a problem with your kit you really need a reputable supportive dealer at your side.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Thanks for the comments so far. I shoot for now mostly cars,landscape, and portraits and sometimes weddings. Iḿ thinking of leaving my 35mm for that purpose only.Is there a good place where i can find second hand mf:s at europe like h4d-40 or p40 and 645df . Is there a lot of diffrence between 645 df and af ?

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Quote Originally Posted by atanabe View Post
    This should be a spirited discussion!
    Seems I need to throw the S2 into the debate to get things going

    Seriously, unless it's beyond the budget of the OP, it should be part of the matrix.

    In any event, I think that any differences in image quality from all Hassi, Phase, and S2 are minute and that all of these systems are capable of producing superbe files with the photographer being the limiting factor. The differences are in handling ergonomics etc, and that in my view is a personal issue.

    As said on many other threads by many others: test before buy.

    Good luck.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Both cameras produce amazing results. Phase DF also has a focal plane shutter that allows 1/4000th of a second, in case those high speed action shots are necessary. The S2 also has a focal plane, but is a closed system. The H4D/40, has micro-lenses that produce good low light results - good for weddings, but create color cast issues if used on a tech camera with wide lenses. The Phase Df and DB combo can be used with any other DF, no need to have them calibrated at the factory. Although, calibration with the DB and camera, like Hasselblad requires, can be a good thing too, as tolerances in different camera bodies can't always be so exact, but Hasselblad specifically matches each DB to camera, not always convenient, but insures good communication.
    Personally, I like the long exposures of a P30+ DB, the file size is perfect and the lenses resolve beautifully at this resolution. As mentioned before Hasselblad can be used for tech, and I think some H4D50's have a single battery option. Either camera will be a huge upgrade to 35mm...this is a good time to be a photographer! Also, look at the Pentax 645D.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Quote Originally Posted by jusuplus View Post
    Thanks for the comments so far. I shoot for now mostly cars,landscape, and portraits and sometimes weddings.
    If you are shooting beauty shots of cars, MF will really shine (pun intended) for racing action, not so good. +++ for landscape work. For portraits and weddings, the resolving power is really, really, good on MF and you may end up doing a bit more retouching or need to have a good makeup person to erase blemishes on the ladies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDudenbostel View Post
    Curious about that too. I purchased a Technikardan 23 to use with my Hasselblad cfv39.
    The fact that you have to purchase a third party external battery to use a Hasselblad digital back on anything other then a Hasselblad SLR is indicative to me that Hasselblad is not thinking/designing their backs for any other purpose than to be used on their own SLRs. Also the fact that Hasselblad sues to keep others backs off their SLRs tells me they are not interested in 3rd party solutions which would include tech cameras.

    Just an observation but it seems to me that the use of Hasselblad backs on digitally design tech cameras (i.e. Alpa, Combo, "cameras not design for film") is the exception and Phase and Leaf being far more prevalent.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    S2 is a great camera but im worried about upgrading.

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    I've not used the H system and really don't know that much about it but my V system indicates the interest Hasselblad has in existing customers and integrating the CFV39 & 50 backs with tech cameras. The V back functions perfectly on technical cameras like my Technikardan 23. The V back uses an on board Hasselblad/Sony battery and both the H & V backs can be powered off the firewire port of a laptop or desktop computer. Again I'm not familiar with other manufactures products like the V Hasselblad back but I don't recall any other makers backs working on the V cameras without a sync cable between the camera and the back. As you know the V back requires no sync cable on the V bodies. I guess that one could say that Leaf and Phase have not designed / thought out the use of their backs on anything other than a Mamiya / phase or digital technical camera.

    I don't really see it as a lack of planning or design concern but really targeting different types of customer. I think this is also true of the H and V system backs from Hasselblad. Hasselblad targeted two distinctly different groups of users.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Quote Originally Posted by GMB View Post
    Seems I need to throw the S2 into the debate to get things going

    Seriously, unless it's beyond the budget of the OP, it should be part of the matrix.

    In any event, I think that any differences in image quality from all Hassi, Phase, and S2 are minute and that all of these systems are capable of producing superbe files with the photographer being the limiting factor. The differences are in handling ergonomics etc, and that in my view is a personal issue.

    As said on many other threads by many others: test before buy.

    Good luck.

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    Georg,

    I couldn't agree more. As I've said before, at this level of camera, image quality should be a given; it's everything else that you will deal with on a daily basis that starts to matter more and more.

    These factors can include battery life, viewfinder brightness, the speed of image review, whether or not you need tech camera movements with tilt/shift, the size, feel and balance of the body in your hand, what software is used to process the Raw files, available lens choices, shutter speed range, the sound of the mirror and shutter, etc.

    A camera isn't merely an image capture device; it is a tool that a photographer uses to create images. Anyone who is serious or passionate about a particular craft or trade usually has very strong feelings towards the tools they use. Chefs are particular about their knives, yet any cheap knife will still cut a carrot. Driving enthusiasts prefer different brands of cars, yet any car will get you from point A to point B. Artists like certain brushes, woodworkers cherish their chisels and planes, fly fisherman prefer particular hand-made rods, etc.

    Tastes and preferences are, by their very nature, personal to the individual. So, yes, definitely do your research and try out the various cameras first hand in your typical shooting environment (not a camera store parking lot). If possible, use each system for at least a few days so you can get over the initial learning curve and then decide if you can live with the system every single day. Will it be a good partner or constantly annoy you with that one thing every time you pick it up?

    And, yes, I am personally biased towards the S2 and I do shoot with one. For me, the S2 represents a perfect balance of the factors that are important to me.


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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Quote Originally Posted by DDudenbostel View Post
    I've not used the H system and really don't know that much about it but my V system indicates the interest Hasselblad has in existing customers and integrating the CFV39 & 50 backs with tech cameras. The V back functions perfectly on technical cameras like my Technikardan 23. The V back uses an on board Hasselblad/Sony battery and both the H & V backs can be powered off the firewire port of a laptop or desktop computer. Again I'm not familiar with other manufactures products like the V Hasselblad back but I don't recall any other makers backs working on the V cameras without a sync cable between the camera and the back. As you know the V back requires no sync cable on the V bodies. I guess that one could say that Leaf and Phase have not designed / thought out the use of their backs on anything other than a Mamiya / phase or digital technical camera.

    I don't really see it as a lack of planning or design concern but really targeting different types of customer. I think this is also true of the H and V system backs from Hasselblad. Hasselblad targeted two distinctly different groups of users.

    Yes, but in the same time you can't rotate the sensor with these backs... compare to leaf R...

    i prefer to be able to use a 503CW with a cable in both orientation using waist level, than the hassy solution !

    again, that's a personal point of view !

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    I'll just say one thing and leave it at that since I shoot it the fact remains its really hard to overlook the new IQ series of backs . Really hard to not consider them compared to everything out there.But being in Finland as the Op is, I would put a strong plug in for any dealer in the area which you reside regardless of brand. I would myself be putting a lot of weight on this alone. I have been to Finland and it's a big country and I would be looking for support as close to home as I could or at least a overnight away from Fed X
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    Talking of support, how many here have had problems with any digital back or camera that required sending it to the manufacturer? I leased a Dycomed scanning back about thirteen years ago that was a disaster but since never had an issue with any of my professional digital equipment. Oops, my first DSLR, the D1 Nikon, had a firmware bug. I had one of the first in the US and it would revert to the Japanese language and reset all preferences. At that time in digital the firmware had to be loaded at a service center.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Quote Originally Posted by DDudenbostel View Post
    Talking of support, how many here have had problems with any digital back or camera that required sending it to the manufacturer?
    I have had to send both a lens and my S2 back to Leica in Germany for repairs. Not something I was thrilled about but the repairs were handled promptly and professionally thanks in no small part to the support of my dealer (David F). Stuff happens...how it is handled can make all the difference in the world in how you feel about a given brand. All of the current MFDB's sell for premium prices these days. I think it's fair to expect premium service in return.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Quote Originally Posted by alan_w_george View Post
    The fact that you have to purchase a third party external battery to use a Hasselblad digital back on anything other then a Hasselblad SLR is indicative to me that Hasselblad is not thinking/designing their backs for any other purpose than to be used on their own SLRs. Also the fact that Hasselblad sues to keep others backs off their SLRs tells me they are not interested in 3rd party solutions which would include tech cameras.

    Just an observation but it seems to me that the use of Hasselblad backs on digitally design tech cameras (i.e. Alpa, Combo, "cameras not design for film") is the exception and Phase and Leaf being far more prevalent.
    Hasselblad makes an external battery for the back--- it is called Imagebank---I don't want to go into the closed system discussion---all of the medium format brands are just trying to survive and we need them to prosper so that we can be the recipients new technology that they bring to market
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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Quote Originally Posted by DDudenbostel View Post
    Talking of support, how many here have had problems with any digital back or camera that required sending it to the manufacturer? I leased a Dycomed scanning back about thirteen years ago that was a disaster but since never had an issue with any of my professional digital equipment. Oops, my first DSLR, the D1 Nikon, had a firmware bug. I had one of the first in the US and it would revert to the Japanese language and reset all preferences. At that time in digital the firmware had to be loaded at a service center.
    I have had a few minor issues that needed repair, and in every case,my dealer, Peter Lorber, provided me with a free loaner until my camera was repaired and returned.
    In addition Hasselblad has provided me with one day turn around service on the occasion that I needed it. The service after the sale that I have received has been extraordinary.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    I had the same question last year. I got both company reps come to my studio and I played with both cameras and both systems. I ended up going with the H4D-40. Not to say the Phase one was not good. I just preferred the overall Hasselblad system and the files it gave me. To my taste the H file looked better. I have had it for a few months now and really love that camera. I have not put down my Nikon though as they are different cameras for different results. Be aware though that the files you'll get from a MF camera are much bigger then from a DSLR. You"ll need more computing power and hard drive space both internal and external.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Quote Originally Posted by jusuplus View Post
    S2 is a great camera but im worried about upgrading.
    I think I understand where you are coming from: upgrade of back instead of upgrade of complete camera; the special Phase upgrade programs etc.

    However, I suggest to consider the following:

    1) All the current systems offer plenty of image quality and user interface. Sure, there are always new things coming (and some of the IQ features would be nice on the S2), but I for myself do see a "need" to upgrade any time soon (certainly not for more pixels). (That is not to say that I would not get an S2 when it comes out). But my decision on what to get was based on what I want now and not what it might cost me to get more in the future.

    2) So far Leica has been pretty good in introducing new features through firmware updates, and I think that will continue.

    3) Third, if Leica should bring out an S3 (whenever that may be), I think the net cost of upgrading (cost for new minus whatever you get for your used S2) will not be significantly higher than for other brands (whether there is a Leica upgrade program or not).

    Hope it helps your decision making.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    "Third, if Leica should bring out an S3 (whenever that may be), I think the net cost of upgrading (cost for new minus whatever you get for your used S2) will not be significantly higher than for other brands (whether there is a Leica upgrade program or not)."

    Two questions:

    Has Leica ever offered upgrades (i.e., reduced price on a new camera in exchange for your trading in an old one)?

    Have you checked used S2 prices? Think they'll go up when the S3 comes out?

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    "Third, if Leica should bring out an S3 (whenever that may be), I think the net cost of upgrading (cost for new minus whatever you get for your used S2) will not be significantly higher than for other brands (whether there is a Leica upgrade program or not)."

    Two questions:

    Has Leica ever offered upgrades (i.e., reduced price on a new camera in exchange for your trading in an old one)?


    Have you checked used S2 prices? Think they'll go up when the S3 comes out?
    Nor has Canon, Nikon, Olympus - Phase and Hasselblad are doing this to keep you in or get you in the fold. Think of the markup that they must have built in to be able to offer this. If you use the equipment for a living, you depreciate it - that is how you get your investment back.

    Used S2 prices have been about 15% off of the new price - in digital world that is pretty good for a year + of use. Used M8s (non upgraded) are going for 50% of what they sold for new - even with the short comings of IR issues and no warranty, that is a respectable value for digital. M9s at a 10% drop in value, so as a whole, Leica has held their value well in the marketplace. Do I think that S2 used prices will go up after the S3? Well, when the M9 came out, a used M8 went for $2100, they are now up in price from the listings that I have seen lately.

    Buying gear at least for use professionally, should not be based primarily on resale value. Any profit that is made on the sale of the depreciated gear is considered income and taxes will need to be paid on that after all. So buy what is best for the business to prosper.

    Lastly, why is the mere mention of S2 in any discussion like throwing gasoline on a fire?
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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Quote Originally Posted by jusuplus View Post
    S2 is a great camera but im worried about upgrading.
    With any of these systems, upgrades often include the body. Not necessary with Phase backs, but not many would keep a AFD-II body when the DF camera came out with added features ... and when Phase upgrades their DF there will be considerations to upgrade that also.

    So, just because the S2 is a single unit doesn't stop you from upgrading. The question only you can answer is if you really need more for what you shoot. The S2 is pretty darned complete as far as shooting is concerned ... they just are slow to bring out the system additions ... like the Leaf Shutter lenses.

    However, if you currently feel you need more in a possible future upgrade, then I'd recommend looking elsewhere for more versatility or higher resolution now. I have a Hasselblad H4D/60 and slew of lenses, but find myself using the S2 far more frequently because of its 35mm DSLR like form factor and ease of taking it with me more places ... not to mention that the lenses are ... well ... Leica.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    With any of these systems, upgrades often include the body. Not necessary with Phase backs, but not many would keep a AFD-II body when the DF camera came out with added features ... and when Phase upgrades their DF there will be considerations to upgrade that also.

    So, just because the S2 is a single unit doesn't stop you from upgrading. The question only you can answer is if you really need more for what you shoot. The S2 is pretty darned complete as far as shooting is concerned ... they just are slow to bring out the system additions ... like the Leaf Shutter lenses.

    However, if you currently feel you need more in a possible future upgrade, then I'd recommend looking elsewhere for more versatility or higher resolution now. I have a Hasselblad H4D/60 and slew of lenses, but find myself using the S2 far more frequently because of its 35mm DSLR like form factor and ease of taking it with me more places ... not to mention that the lenses are ... well ... Leica.

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    Thanks for the comments so far. I shoot for now mostly cars,landscape, and portraits and sometimes weddings. Iḿ thinking of leaving my 35mm for that purpose only.Is there a good place where i can find second hand mf:s at europe like h4d-40 or p40 and 645df . Is there a lot of diffrence between 645 df and af ?
    I'd watch the classified section here on GetDPI, this is one of the most heavily populated MFD places on the web. I've sold 3 different MFD kits here myself. Just be patient and know your seller.

    Also, contact local dealers and have them see what may be available pre-owned. I bought a Hasselblad CF/39 Multi-Shot back directly from Hasselblad which was a demo camera used by one of their reps. Often you can negotiate more warranty or buy more. I'm sure Phase/Leaf has something like that also.

    As far as your subject matter is concerned, it really depends on to what degree you shoot each of them. Are the cars in studio or on location and is it a major shoot with assistants etc., or more casual?

    All these cameras will do spectacular portrait work and the choice of lenses and post work will determine whether higher resolution will cause issues when processing. I use a HC100/2.2 and 150N for portraits with the H4D camera ... and use the S2 and 120/2.5 .... in both cases for that shallow DOF look.

    Weddings are another matter because of the pace involved. I used to use a H4D/40 along with a 35mm DSLR ... but any of the more modular traditional medium format digital cameras are a handful at weddings ... I now use the Leica S2 which has proven to be much easier and faster to work with, and brings a lot more to the party because I use it for more shots. Large print sales went up once I demo'ed shots from the S2 to clients with bigger print samples.

    I just posted a series of wedding images from the S2 in a report here on GetDPI. It also demonstrates the portrait potential both environmental and closer up:

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29324

    One last note: any of these systems will place a bit more load on your computer system, but RAM, more hard-drive capacity and better Graphic's cards are cheap. In return you not only get higher res images that can be printed larger or cropped more severely, but the images are much more malleable and easier to retouch. Size and bit depth matter.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    I have been really thinging of changing my 5dmk2 to phase one, but i havent decided yet witch digital back to get. My options are now p40+ , p45+ . Witch one is better of those two ? P65+ would be better but its much more expensive than those two optios. And what comes for lenses is there a lens for phase that is sharper than canons ef 85 1.2L II version ? And what lens do you recommend for interior shoots ? I shoot cars inside with canons ef 24-70 2.8l and 24mm prime would be nice, even better if its sharper that that blurry canon at 24mm

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    P40+ is much newer than P45+, will give you better colors and sensitivity and working speed.
    On the other hand the P40+ crop can be annoying.

    Considering you said you shoot weddings and portraits - I don't think Phase is the right system for you.

    For handheld and low light work, I think you will be better off with Hasselblad.
    I work with my Phase always mounted on a tripod or stand - I could never get really sharp results handheld.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    I did forget to say that i shoot cars for finnish magazine too. I got my rangers with me allways so light is no problem. Weddings are some sort of hobby for me now but ringflash saves the day for there too. But compraring price at p40+ ,p45+ and p65+ is it worth it get p65+ ? and what hassel has to offer in that price range ?

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Facing the same decision I got an Aptus II 8, which is equivalent to P40+.
    I preferred the newer generation electronics, and I am very happy with my decision.
    With P40+ you also get sensor plus, which gives you very good low light sensitivity.

    I don't know the Hasselblad offering, but if your style allows to be always mounted, then Phase is a good choice. The Hasselblad system is closed and good lenses are very expensive. With Phase you have a lot more choices of components and upgrades. My impression is that Hasselblad is the choice for those working handheld and/or shooting moving subjects. If your shooting environment is all static, then there is no reason to stay away from Phase.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    i shoot most of the time hand held cause i have to change picture angle, but is it a problem for phase ?

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    For me it is a problem, maybe other people have better experiences.

    I would say HH -> Hass, or even stay with Canon.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    If you're dealing with tight interiors, P65+ is the better choice considering crop factor of other sensors and available lenses (short of a technical camera).

    fwiw, I've owned predominantly Phase MFDBs---and shoot a lot of portraiture, and many times handheld. No available IS on any medium format digital system that I'm aware of, so the requisite increase in care/photographic workflow for any medium format digital system will be the same/comparable. I have found that as resolution increases, so must the care in photography increase... (compare usage of 12MP DSLR moving up to 21MP DSLR----resolution makes errors stand out more).

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    Shooting portraits with a studio stand I get perfectly sharp results, as long as the subjects don't jump around too much.

    I've tried studio portraits handheld several times with Phase and always not completely sharp. Also outside no flashes with higher shutter speeds, still not completely sharp handheld in many cases.

    With Canon 1Ds never a problem handheld without IS.

    Possible explanations I could come up with:
    - Much heavier camera shakes more in my hand
    - Lower sync speed in studio
    - Clunky mirror
    - Worse focus accuracy
    - Higher resolution (but even if you lower it to 22 it is still worse than Canon - for me)

    I am using 645AF, but I am not convinced that DF is that much better.
    I believe Hass has better focus and weighs less.

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    Re: Hasselblad vs Phaseone

    as i before sayd that i carry ranger rx with me allways when shooting cars. but still not gonna sell my canon , going to keep it as backup

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    Hi there guys.

    This is my first post on this forum

    I also have been dealing with what to choose going back into MFDB.

    I have been shooting with MFDB back and forth since mid 90s.
    First I had a P1 Lightphase (6Mb), and after that more Lightphases and P30, P30+ and Hassy H4D31 and Hassy H4D40.

    Now I have been shooting with a Nikon D3x for the lasy couple of years.
    Its a fantastic camera and the IQ is excellent.
    But I miss the look of a MFDB file!
    Print tends to remove much of the IQ advantage. But nothing beats the joy of retouching a MFDB file.

    This time I tried the H4D60 and looked at the Aptus MFDBs.

    When I visited the Aptus dealer , I had with me the Hassy with a 100 2.2 lens.
    I then compared it with a LS110 2.8.
    Where the HC100 hunted and at last locked on, the LS110 just snapped into focus immediately.
    There and then, the Hasselblad disappeared from the equation.
    I wanted to shoot with those SC LS lenses!!
    And it was not with a light heart I rejected the Hassy.
    I have been a Hassy fan since mid 70s.
    I even have a Hasselblad tattoo ( blame it on youth and alcohol .-)

    The reason I chose Aptus was:

    - the look of the files ( I shoot a lot of skin )
    - the SC LS lenses
    - the price ( I got two more LS lenses and an Airgrip for difference in price to a IQ140 )
    - the availability ( I get the Leaf and lenses in 3-4 days )

    And the reason I chose 40 over 80

    - speed
    - more DOF ( in MFDB the DOF is narrow enough and the fight for exact focus is hard enough without the added difficulty off a even bigger chip. And with a bigger chip, you need smaller aperture to get DOF and with that, reciprocity problems )
    - price
    - not that much need for wide angle shooting

    I am excited to get my gear in a couple of days and again look at the smooth MFDB file.

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