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    Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    I'm finally trying to decide which one I should get. Any experiences ? It will be used with a IQ180.

    So far I would say:

    - Schneider is smaller and lighter
    - Rodenstock might be better wide open ?
    - Image circle is 100 on the Rodenstock and 90 on the 72 Schneider

    Ed Cooley could you tell me, how the 72 holds up shifted ? What works with the IQ180 ? 10mm, 15mm or 20mm?

    Thanks a lot for more ideas or thoughts.

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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    I'm interested in hearing this myself as I have seen results from both first hand and they are both excellent lenses no question about it. In general without seeing a lot of side by sides my general gut feeling is the SK have more a look and the Rodie has more clarity. That is actually a plus for both of them as they produce right at the top. It may come down to splitting hairs. It's that close from what I have seen. I would buy either one myself. My ultimate kit would be a SK 28 and SK 120 but the 40/43 and 70/72 in both sets being a real toss up for me. I loved the 43 TS Cambo I shot last week but Jacks 40 Rodie is killer good to and same with the 70 Rodie and 72 SK it's tough to decide. I'm really on the fence with these two sets. I probaly would lean SK for the only reason that all my glass has the same look. But I think that would be the only reason. Jack went Rodie on both and I think for the same look mostly. Tough tough call
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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    I should add I think the MTF charts are slightly higher on the Rodie. But as I always say they are charts not images. Real world is what I care about.
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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    Both are great lenses and I do not think there is a wrong choice. I noodled over it for a couple of weeks myself. In the end I went with the 70 because it had a slightly larger IC than the 72 and I figured it would render more similarly to my 40 HR-W. The MTF's are slightly better on the Rodie too, but it is larger, heavier and more expensive. If size and weight were my major consideration, I would get the 72; if wanted ultimate movement and IQ at the edges of the IC, the 70.
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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    Depending on the application, I'd also check/compare distortion and chromatic aberration.

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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Both are great lenses and I do not think there is a wrong choice. I noodled over it for a couple of weeks myself. In the end I went with the 70 because it had a slightly larger IC than the 72 and I figured it would render more similarly to my 40 HR-W. The MTF's are slightly better on the Rodie too, but it is larger, heavier and more expensive. If size and weight were my major consideration, I would get the 72; if wanted ultimate movement and IQ at the edges of the IC, the 70.
    The HR DIGARON-W 5,6/70 is 340 gramms and costs 3492 CHF (ALPA)
    The SK DIGITAR 5,6/72 is 323 gramms and costs 3499 CHF (ALPA)

    The figures show very small differences , which can not really be an argument for a decision for the one over the other lens .
    I would rather think of the type of the lens .
    The SK 5,6/72 is an almost symetrical design while the RODIE 5,6/70 is a
    retrofocus design .
    I think the pros and cons of the two designs are well known and were
    extensively discussed in conjunction with the IQ180 back .
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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    For whatever reason in Arca mount, the Rodie was about $400 more than the SK.
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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    Cambo the SK is 55 Euro's cheaper. Go figure
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    For whatever reason in Arca mount, the Rodie was about $400 more than the SK.
    Try robertwhite.co.uk. I found their prices a bit cheaper.

    How about your new SK 120, Jack ? I finally ordered it but had a hard time deciding between SK120 and Rodenstock apo-sironar135.

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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    I will not presume to speak for Ed Cooley, but my impression from talking with Ed was that he is quite happy with the Schneider 72. I recently acquired the Schneider 72 and have been pleased with the lens although I have only made a few shifted images with it. I went with the Schneider 72 largely because it was available at CI at the time, thought the lens to be good, and I did not want to be walking around with only one lens. I have not seen any flare or color casts while using the the Schneider lens. I also, have the Rodenstock 40mm lens and it is very sharp; under my shooting conditions I have had a lot of flare with the 40 mm (unless I use the compendium shade). I do not remember any instances where there was flare with the Schneider 72 even without the shade. I have not had an instance where the Schneider 72 clearly needed LCC although I do run the LCC and can see some slight improvement in the image. Charles
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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    Quote Originally Posted by jotloob View Post
    I would rather think of the type of the lens .
    The SK 5,6/72 is an almost symetrical design while the RODIE 5,6/70 is a
    retrofocus design .
    I think the pros and cons of the two designs are well known and were
    extensively discussed in conjunction with the IQ180 back .
    When looking at longer focal length lenses this is not so much of an issue as with the wides. The symmetrical type wide lenses have a shorter flange focal distance and put the rear of the lens closer to the chip but as the focal length increases, so does the FFD. I've not tested the 70/72 but I imagine they would offer very similar performance on the IQ180 as these measurements are very similar.

    My concern would be more about the distortion and aberration differences in the two lenses rather than if they are symmetrical or retrofocus.

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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    For me the concern is more towards image circle quality. Distortion is so low, that it won't matter and if it really does ones out of 100 times I can still use the Alpa Tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    For me the concern is more towards image circle quality.
    Oh yes, and that.....

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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    It's just plain hard to weigh in on this one way or the other. Like Jack I labored over the decision and got the Rodi. But it's kinda like steak or lobster. Can't really go wrong... And I love the perspective of this focal length.

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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    Because of the design, the 70 Rodenstock might exhibit less lens cast than the Schneider (yes, I did get minor lens cast with this lens on an IQ180 but very minor), which may affect how far you can effectively shift as well.
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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    Quote Originally Posted by Garcia View Post
    Try robertwhite.co.uk. I found their prices a bit cheaper.

    How about your new SK 120, Jack ? I finally ordered it but had a hard time deciding between SK120 and Rodenstock apo-sironar135.
    I *LOVE* my SK 120 --- only used a few times, but it's a winner, very sharp. I considered the Rodie 135 as an alternative, and came very close to going that route -- again, I don't think there's a wrong answer.
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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    Personnaly I did buy a Cambo WRS for wide angle lenses. This sort of Cam is the only way for best IQ in wide angle territory.
    But I would be curious to compare a 72 SK or 70 Rodie with the 80mm Schneider for DF. Having just one lens for the Cambo at the moment is frustrating - but the 80 LS is already so good !...
    OK it is possible to shift with a 72mm on a Cambo, and to tilt with the adapter. But on the other way a 80mm on the DF cam is easier (f.i. framing)/faster to operate.

    My dealer will let me test the IQ180 and SK72 for a few days next week, so it will be a good opportunity to compare this SK72 with the 80mm LS.
    If someone already did make that sort of comparison, it would be nice to know if the 80mm Schneider LS is in the same league than the 75 SK or 70 Rod (purely on the IQ side).

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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    I'm pulling my hair out with just one lens. Freaking torture


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm pulling my hair out with just one lens. Freaking torture


    I NEED MORE GLASS. withdraws
    How many total lenses do you want to carry? I thought I would stick to three and ended up with four: 43,100,150, then added the 70. This is longer than most people want. But the point is I really missed the 70mm perspective, so now the 100 gets left behind half the time because I prefer to carry only three. For you, 35, 70/72, 120 seems like the cat's pajamas.

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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm pulling my hair out with just one lens. Freaking torture


    I NEED MORE GLASS. withdraws
    Correction: You WANT more glass ...
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    No not at all David. Lol
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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    What I really want is a 28,43,72 combo. But I do like the 35 very much so I could go 35,60,100 or something. For landscape work I put a lot of mileage on my phase 55 and 110. My issue is I don't mind having a combo kit between phase and tech in most cases. But I want a independent kit of tech only. Just run out with 3 tech lenses. Trust me I know this is exactly what wall I would hit when I bought a tech cam, wanting more. LOL
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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    Well for me it is: 32,40,43,70,90,150 However, I would like to add a 23,60,120 and so on :-P

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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    What I really want is a killer 28 retrofocus design with a decent IC... That would idealize my stable to 28/40/70/120 as an overall kit.

    Re the 70 versus the 80. One of the other reasons I went to the Rodie 70 over the SK 72 -- and this is going to sound ridiculous -- was those wee little 2 extra mm taking me that much wider. I can't tell you how many times even with the 75-150 zoom on the DF, I wanted "just a little bit wider." (It's actually another reason I chose the R 40 HR over the SK 43 -- it's just that skosh wider.) I know the 120 is my ideal long because I often wish my 110LS were just a tad longer...

    Overall, I am really happy with my 40/70/120 trio, but would like a solid 28 option in there. For me, the 23 is really wide, and probably too wide. For now I am left stitching my 40 to a net 28, so I manage...
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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    I'm not sure if there ever will be something wider than the 32. And I'm not sure if it makes sense. The Color cast is already quite strong. I only would want something wider than 32 if I could have the same Image cirlce which is useable. I don't need a wider lens if i can only move 2-3mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    I'm not sure if there ever will be something wider than the 32. And I'm not sure if it makes sense. The Color cast is already quite strong. I only would want something wider than 32 if I could have the same Image cirlce which is useable. I don't need a wider lens if i can only move 2-3mm.
    My thoughts exactly.Maybe its a change in chip design that's needed because in many ways, lenses seem to have taken a step back with the new 80MP Dalsa.

    The SK28 looks like an excellent lens but suffers from catastrophic fall off very quickly on the new chips and if Phase/Leaf/Blad continue on the same path by just upping pixel count we'll start running into all sorts of trouble with many of our present lenses.

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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    ...those wee little 2 extra mm taking me that much wider.
    In Alpa mount, the SK 72mm has an effective focal length of 74.9mm and Alpa uses a 75mm helical mount - so those extra 2mm become almost 5mm.

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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    Quote Originally Posted by cmb_ View Post
    In Alpa mount, the SK 72mm has an effective focal length of 74.9mm and Alpa uses a 75mm helical mount - so those extra 2mm become almost 5mm.
    Interesting, never even considered checking that! According to Schneider's data, the 43 is in fact a 44.9mm lens! One wonders why they didn't call it a 45, perhaps because they want more differentiation between it and the 47??? FWIW, the SK 120 is actually a 125 as well. Both those facts make me even happier about my choices
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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    An other interesting point is the AOV .

    As per the RODENSTOCK and SCHNEIDER data sheets:
    The HR DIGARON- 5,6/70 has an AOV of 70º and the
    SK DIGITAR 5,6/72 has an AOV of 62º .

    I have the SK SUPER ANGULON XL 5,6/72 in ALPA mount .
    This lens has an extreme IC of 229 mm and is a surviver from my LF time .
    Using a shift of 15 mm on the ALPA STC , I still get very good images with my CFV-39 .
    I have not tried the CFV-50 yet .
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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    I've been traveling so I missed this interesting thread.

    I have the SK72 and for the money and weight it is a stellar performer. Very sharp for me, even wide open. Mine was calibrated a little past infinity when I first received it whited caused some frustration early on. Once I learned to calibrate it I have been very impressed with it.

    At the extreme edges of the image circle it does get slightly soft, especially at wider apertures and there is a noticeable vignette. Still very useable with an LCC but an extra 10mm of image circle would allow a full 20mm shift with the IQ180 with no loss of sharpness IMO. At 20mm shift on the IQ180 the corners are just past the image circle so a slight crop is necessary anyway. I aways shoot the full shift but rarely use the full image. My thinking is rather than shift to 15mm I might as well take the whole slice. With two shots stitched then cropped to 6x17 I can print 118" wide prints and you wouldn't notice the softness unless you took a magnifying glass to it.

    That said, the SK72 has a different look than my HR glass. Not that the SK is bad, just different. To my eye, the HR23 and HR32 have a more appealing look. I would be interested in knowing if someone has compared the 70 and 72 and found the 70 to render more like the HR32&23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dchew View Post
    How many total lenses do you want to carry? I thought I would stick to three and ended up with four: 43,100,150, then added the 70. This is longer than most people want. But the point is I really missed the 70mm perspective, so now the 100 gets left behind half the time because I prefer to carry only three. For you, 35, 70/72, 120 seems like the cat's pajamas.

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    I'm with you Dave. I have been surprised at how much I use my HR23. So I am hauling around HR23, HR32, SK72, SK150.

    Do you have problems with flare on your 150? Is it the SK? Mine is so bad it is almost not useable in some lighting conditions. A longer exposure with cloudy skies gives me fits. I don't use it often but have almost decided I need a snoot the shoot it reliably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    What I really want is a 28,43,72 combo. But I do like the 35 very much so I could go 35,60,100 or something. For landscape work I put a lot of mileage on my phase 55 and 110. My issue is I don't mind having a combo kit between phase and tech in most cases. But I want a independent kit of tech only. Just run out with 3 tech lenses. Trust me I know this is exactly what wall I would hit when I bought a tech cam, wanting more. LOL
    Guy, Are you shooting the IQ160 or 180? I would wonder if the SK28 would be useable on the 180. I switched the SK24 and 25 to the HR glass when I had problems with the P65+.

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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    Quote Originally Posted by etrump View Post
    I would be interested in knowing if someone has compared the 70 and 72 and found the 70 to render more like the HR32&23.
    Yes, I have. The 70HR renders like the 40HR and the 72SK renders more like the 43SK. I have not shot the 32 extensively, but from the few files I've seen, it appears to render like my 40 and 70. Generally speaking, I find the Rodie's a bit more clinical for lack of a better word, very clean, very sharp, and moderate contrast. By comparison, I find the SK's while also sharp, have slightly lower contrast, and overall draw a little softer and not quite so clinical. But we're talking subtleties, not grand sweeping differences. IMHO there is not a wrong choice; the real choice is more about consistency vs variations in renderings.

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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Yes, I have. The 70HR renders like the 40HR and the 72SK renders more like the 43SK. I have not shot the 32 extensively, but from the few files I've seen, it appears to render like my 40 and 70. Generally speaking, I find the Rodie's a bit more clinical for lack of a better word, very clean, very sharp, and moderate contrast. By comparison, I find the SK's while also sharp, have slightly lower contrast, and overall draw a little softer and not quite so clinical. But we're talking subtleties, not grand sweeping differences. IMHO there is not a wrong choice; the real choice is more about consistency vs variations in renderings.

    I have shot both and frankly they are about 15 points apart on the C1 clarity scale.
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    The 160. I will try it next week and see how it does
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    The 160. I will try it next week and see how it does
    Hopefully I'll be able to drop in on you guys in the white mountains.

    I was there yesterday and the color was not looking good but it is still early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etrump View Post
    ...Do you have problems with flare on your 150? Is it the SK? Mine is so bad it is almost not useable in some lighting conditions. A longer exposure with cloudy skies gives me fits. I don't use it often but have almost decided I need a snoot the shoot it reliably.
    Ed,
    Interesting, it is the SK. I've only had the lens a few months, and have not used it in a way that would challenge it in regards to flair. I hope to get out this weekend; the colors are changing here. I will try a few situations and let you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etrump View Post
    Hopefully I'll be able to drop in on you guys in the white mountains.

    I was there yesterday and the color was not looking good but it is still early.
    Love to see you but be careful. 3 Cambo Anniversary models ready to take home there. Not sure I can resist. LOL
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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    Got my IQ180 couple days ago. Testing all the glasses I have and sold off the rest of my Hassy setup. I pretty much decided on Schneider 55/80/150 on the 645DF, For the Techno, I already have Rodie HR40/50/70/90 and want to get the SK120. A question for all of you, I purchased the HR50 couple months ago thinking that is more closer to 35mm in 135 systems which I like a lot. Now, I kind of think that's a bit over kill. I'll probably sell it and wait for a wider version or get the 32mm. Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Love to see you but be careful. 3 Cambo Anniversary models ready to take home there. Not sure I can resist. LOL
    That's bad news, I saw your pic of the AE and started lusting after it right away!


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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

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    wait for a wider version or get the 32mm. Any thoughts?
    The HR32 is a fantastic lens.

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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

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    A question for all of you, I purchased the HR50 couple months ago thinking that is more closer to 35mm in 135 systems which I like a lot. Now, I kind of think that's a bit over kill. I'll probably sell it and wait for a wider version or get the 32mm. Any thoughts?
    It's a tough call and there is no wrong or right answer. After years of shooting and having owned just about every single lens made for every system at one time or another, I can tell you that no matter what you have in your bag, they will always be a little too wide or a little too tight and rarely "just right." Even your zooms! You learn to make whatever you're shooting with work for the image. You also learn that fewer lens choices usually generate more creativity.
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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

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    You also learn that fewer lens choices usually generate more creativity.
    Actually, I think this should be the sub-tag line to the Dante quote at the top of this forum. Excellent advice.
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    It's a tough call and there is no wrong or right answer. After years of shooting and having owned just about every single lens made for every system at one time or another, I can tell you that no matter what you have in your bag, they will always be a little too wide or a little too tight and rarely "just right." Even your zooms! You learn to make whatever you're shooting with work for the image. You also learn that fewer lens choices usually generate more creativity.
    That's very true, Jack. I come to realize that the limit of how many glass I can carry in one trip and the fact that "less is actually more". That's how I arrive at the 3 lens combo on the 645DF. For the Tecnho, I will stick with 4 and no more.

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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    I really want my tech kit to be small and basically in a small shoulder bag. Right now if I stayed with the 35 XL, that darn 60 looks really nice than maybe a 100 or 120. But if I went 4 everything seems to change in my thought process and go 28, 43, 72, 120. Interesting how different it comes down too with that 4th lens.

    But I totally agree the less the better and 3 seems pretty darn nice for the tech cam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I really want my tech kit to be small and basically in a small shoulder bag. Right now if I stayed with the 35 XL, that darn 60 looks really nice than maybe a 100 or 120. But if I went 4 everything seems to change in my thought process and go 28, 43, 72, 120. Interesting how different it comes down too with that 4th lens.

    But I totally agree the less the better and 3 seems pretty darn nice for the tech cam.
    Come in Guy, you can't manage with just three. The 5% of the time you would use a 120 would eat you alive if you didn't have it!

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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

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    It's a tough call and there is no wrong or right answer. After years of shooting and having owned just about every single lens made for every system at one time or another, I can tell you that no matter what you have in your bag, they will always be a little too wide or a little too tight and rarely "just right." Even your zooms! You learn to make whatever you're shooting with work for the image. You also learn that fewer lens choices usually generate more creativity.
    That is why I love to use shift. It gives you that extra bit of real estate.

    Seriously though, I am convinced you learn to see in the focal lengths you use most often. With wide angles a step or two makes a huge difference as well. The more familiar you get with your kit the better you get at visualizing your capabilities.

    Think about all those wonderful 4x5 and 8x10 photographs shot through the years. As a viewer you never feel like "wow, I bet he wished he had a something a tad wider"!

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    It certainly would Ed. LOL
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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    Back to the topic, does anyone know if the Rodenstock 70 uses HR technology glass?

    The SK 35XL has such a nice look it is a shame the SK 72 doesn't use the same grade of glass. Probably a cost issue but at these prices how much would it cost to upgrade to higher res glass to get the clarity up on what is basically a standard size lens. There just isn't that much glass there.

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    Re: Schneider 72 vs Rodenstock 70

    Ed,

    The 70 is labelled an HR-W just like the 40, and the general rendering seems to be the same as re color and contrast. However, my 40 appears a skosh sharper to my eyes -- somewhat of a surprise, but then the 40 is a laser.
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