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    Re: New Sinar Hy6-65 Camera System (31 MPx) Announced

    Some more information as it comes in:

    Supported image parameter from the menu:

    - Contrast
    - Saturation
    - Unsharp mask
    - Noise filter
    - Automatic white balance / color temperature
    - 3 color spaces (sRGB, Adobe RGB and ECI RGB)

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    Re: New Sinar Hy6-65 Camera System (31 MPx) Announced

    Congratulations Thierry &Sinar - the new camera back and screen looks very cool. I also like the fact that the camera can deliver RAW Or DNG file output - very big step forward IMHO. The color scheme matching lifts the look of the camera as well. Well done.

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    Thanks Peter, much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Congratulations Thierry &Sinar - the new camera back and screen looks very cool. I also like the fact that the camera can deliver RAW Or DNG file output - very big step forward IMHO. The color scheme matching lifts the look of the camera as well. Well done.

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    Hi Thierry,
    The new camera looks awesome, and the specs are for sure a step forward and in the right direction. Very exciting announcement compared with Hassy, Leaf and Phase.

    The only thing a dislike is the separation of revolving and non revolving backs. If there's anything sinar clearly have in advantage against leaf is exactly the revolving back. That should be a standar in the Sinar lineup.

    Anyway, loking forward to test this system sometime. It's a natural step for a 503 user...

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    Re: New Sinar Hy6-65 Camera System (31 MPx) Announced

    Thanks Samuel!

    Yes, the feedback is very good, from all sides. And I am not the last one being pleased by this direction.

    Concerning the "revolving" adapter: yes, it is a Sinar advantage, definitively. But there are people who do not want it, respectively are not ready to pay that extra money for it (though it is not that much), respectively it makes the "Sinar Hy6 - 65" cheaper.
    Therefore we would like to leave the choice to the enduser, not force him.

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    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel Axelsson View Post
    Hi Thierry,
    The new camera looks awesome, and the specs are for sure a step forward and in the right direction. Very exciting announcement compared with Hassy, Leaf and Phase.

    The only thing a dislike is the separation of revolving and non revolving backs. If there's anything sinar clearly have in advantage against leaf is exactly the revolving back. That should be a standar in the Sinar lineup.

    Anyway, loking forward to test this system sometime. It's a natural step for a 503 user...

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    Re: New Sinar Hy6-65 Camera System (31 MPx) Announced

    "Concerning the "revolving" adapter: yes, it is a Sinar advantage, definitively. But there are people who do not want it, respectively are not ready to pay that extra money for it (though it is not that much), respectively it makes the "Sinar Hy6 - 65" cheaper."

    Not that much is a relative term. I would have bought the revolving back, but I was quoted its price as being 2500 dollars. Since the 54LV I found was 10,000 (used), 25% more to the cost was not a trivial amount, and certainly not worth it just to rotate the back, which you can do rather easily just by detaching it and reattaching it in a matter of seconds. I think Sinar made a good decision here. Let the consumer decide if it is worth it to them. For people who shoot mostly in the studio or mostly landscapes and tend to stay in one orientation, the ability to rotate it is not necessarily worth the high cost. For others who go from landscape to portrait orientation frequently, then they can spend the extra money for it without reservation.
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    hi Stuart,

    yes, admitted: "not that much" is a relative word!

    One has also to keep in mind, that it is not just 2 pieces of metal revolving around each other. There are some complicated contacts inside, to communicate the information from the Hy6. And that makes it being this price.

    But you are exactly the reason/example, Stuart, why we have decided to let the choice to the customer.

    Best regards,
    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    "Concerning the "revolving" adapter: yes, it is a Sinar advantage, definitively. But there are people who do not want it, respectively are not ready to pay that extra money for it (though it is not that much), respectively it makes the "Sinar Hy6 - 65" cheaper."

    Not that much is a relative term. I would have bought the revolving back, but I was quoted its price as being 2500 dollars. Since the 54LV I found was 10,000 (used), 25% more to the cost was not a trivial amount, and certainly not worth it just to rotate the back, which you can do rather easily just by detaching it and reattaching it in a matter of seconds. I think Sinar made a good decision here. Let the consumer decide if it is worth it to them. For people who shoot mostly in the studio or mostly landscapes and tend to stay in one orientation, the ability to rotate it is not necessarily worth the high cost. For others who go from landscape to portrait orientation frequently, then they can spend the extra money for it without reservation.

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    One think that i was really wishing that Sinar had a Body, Lens, Filmback kit in a atractive price as they have Mamiya or Hasselblad. There are many that like to make the jumb to Mformat and before they go with a Digi Back they like to play with film for some time. For Sinar it would be a great deal to get in customers. For me it would be even a better if i could take a sinar underwater and finaly shoot MF and before i inenst to expensive custom build housings and Digi backs i could make the jump to Film to checking the posabilities i have.

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    Re: New Sinar Hy6-65 Camera System (31 MPx) Announced

    Thierry,
    Will all new digital back no longer support the Contax 645 system? Also I forgot to ask if the new back will support the Rollei 6008 cameras? I hope that Sinar will re-consider supporting the Contax 645 and Rollei 6008 systems for photographers who are on the budget or multi system users. A complete Contax 645 and Rollei 6008 cameras would cost less and thus allow them to put the funding toward the digital back. The new concept of having an affordable digital solution is now equalized to the whole Sinar Hy6 system. One of the main reason why I choose Sinar back is the ability to put the digital back on all the systems that I use. Perhaps in my case will represent unique but I initially found Sinar to be unique in their support of photographer such as the Sinar m system. I also believe that there are other photographers who cannot own all the new and latest technology but can afford a hybrid system.

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    Dear Lambis,

    We do have such a camera, with film magazine, and all the lenses, non-AF, AF, AFD, totally more than 45, as well as many other accessories for such a film camera (almost all the Rolleiflex 6008 accessories can be used):

    this camera is the Sinar Hy6.

    This camera has its price, at the same level as any other identical (feature-wise) MF camera.

    Concerning prices of MF cameras: you have to be aware that they are almost sold with very little margins. Reducing the price more is almost impossible.

    Best regards,
    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by apneaimages View Post
    One think that i was really wishing that Sinar had a Body, Lens, Filmback kit in a atractive price as they have Mamiya or Hasselblad. There are many that like to make the jumb to Mformat and before they go with a Digi Back they like to play with film for some time. For Sinar it would be a great deal to get in customers. For me it would be even a better if i could take a sinar underwater and finaly shoot MF and before i inenst to expensive custom build housings and Digi backs i could make the jump to Film to checking the posabilities i have.

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    Dear Son,

    It is not planed to support the Contax 645, nor the Rolleiflex 6008.
    I understand that this sounds disappointing for some, but unfortunately the figures of adapters sold for these are not justifying it, when it comes to set priorities.

    I know that there are still many "lovers" and users of these bodies, including myself, and I have forwarded the "complains" already with the suggestion to reconsider it.

    Best regards,
    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by Pham Minh Son View Post
    Thierry,
    Will all new digital back no longer support the Contax 645 system? Also I forgot to ask if the new back will support the Rollei 6008 cameras? I hope that Sinar will re-consider supporting the Contax 645 and Rollei 6008 systems for photographers who are on the budget or multi system users. A complete Contax 645 and Rollei 6008 cameras would cost less and thus allow them to put the funding toward the digital back. The new concept of having an affordable digital solution is now equalized to the whole Sinar Hy6 system. One of the main reason why I choose Sinar back is the ability to put the digital back on all the systems that I use. Perhaps in my case will represent unique but I initially found Sinar to be unique in their support of photographer such as the Sinar m system. I also believe that there are other photographers who cannot own all the new and latest technology but can afford a hybrid system.

    -Son

    Thanks,
    -Son

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    Re: New Sinar Hy6-65 Camera System (31 MPx) Announced

    This won't be a popular comment but i don't think they should either. Supporting dead systems does not promote growth in the industry at all. How is Phase, Mamiya, Hassy, Sinar, leaf and others going to survive the future if they have to keep supporting old systems and don't have the growth for newer and better technology. I know not popular but those are the realities of this industry. We want these companies to grow so us gear heads get better stuff. LOL
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    Basically and despite being not popular, it is the sad truth which we have to face.

    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    This won't be a popular comment but i don't think they should either. Supporting dead systems does not promote growth in the industry at all. How is Phase, Mamiya, Hassy, Sinar, leaf and others going to survive the future if they have to keep supporting old systems and don't have the growth for newer and better technology. I know not popular but those are the realities of this industry. We want these companies to grow so us gear heads get better stuff. LOL

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    Re: New Sinar Hy6-65 Camera System (31 MPx) Announced

    I agree Thierry and it is not something we all wish for but growth is survival and for Sinar and others to prosper in this small market segment tough choices need to be made. Sad truth I am afraid also
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    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    Dear Son,

    It is not planed to support the Contax 645, nor the Rolleiflex 6008.
    I understand that this sounds disappointing for some, but unfortunately the figures of adapters sold for these are not justifying it, when it comes to set priorities.

    I know that there are still many "lovers" and users of these bodies, including myself, and I have forwarded the "complains" already with the suggestion to reconsider it.

    Best regards,
    Thierry
    hi thierry,congrats t the great response of the back. one question to contax from my side too: if contax will not be supported in future: could it mean that future fw upgrades for existing backs as the e22/54/75 does not longer allow to use the backs with contax645 cameras?
    i mean: will the choice to select the contax camera disapear in this case from the menue setting in possible future fw? would be a nightmare for contax/sinar users if so.

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    hi Rainer,

    I understand your concern concerning future FW updates, but I don't think this will be the case, to not longer support it with the models you have listed.

    Kind regards,
    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by rainer-v View Post
    hi thierry,congrats t the great response of the back. one question to contax from my side too: if contax will not be supported in future: could it mean that future fw upgrades for existing backs as the e22/54/75 does not longer allow to use the backs with contax645 cameras?
    i mean: will the choice to select the contax camera disapear in this case from the menue setting in possible future fw? would be a nightmare for contax/sinar users if so.

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