johnnygoesdigital
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+1 for Graham's comment.
These responses from CI, has really generated interest in the Hasselblad announcement.
These responses from CI, has really generated interest in the Hasselblad announcement.
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thanks for the slugfest:::: this really motivates me to turn off my computer and go make photos
Lyndon Johnson said something like "When two people agree on everything only one of them is doing the thinking." So I kind of enjoy the debate. Certainly more entertaining than the Republican debates.Everyone - I am sorry for Marc and I spiraling out of control. Unnecessary, and I think in both cases, we ended up presenting ourselves in a way that doesn't reflect who we really are, and doesn't benefit the greater good of this forum.
Have they come out and stated this? I didn't think there had been an official announcement yet, has there?What I don't understand is why existing H3 and H4 customers remain locked out. It would appear that the "unlock" is a firmware tweak, and if this is true, then I'd imagine there's going to be some pretty pissed off H3 and H4 users out there as they get to back upgrade time. I just don't understand why any company would want to leave that bitter taste in the mouth of its existing customers. Kinda like being second-class citizens in the nation of Hasselblad users.
Hey Bryan,This decison of Hasselblad's has no bearing on me personally (though in the long term, it may help with the resale value of my IQ back) as I sold out of my 20+ year use of Hasselblad and went with a DF and Alpa system a year or so a go.
However, many of my peers are heavily invested in Blad glass and will be glad for the existence of this option. Hooray to Hasselblad.
What I don't understand is why existing H3 and H4 customers remain locked out. It would appear that the "unlock" is a firmware tweak, and if this is true, then I'd imagine there's going to be some pretty pissed off H3 and H4 users out there as they get to back upgrade time. I just don't understand why any company would want to leave that bitter taste in the mouth of its existing customers. Kinda like being second-class citizens in the nation of Hasselblad users.
That fact isn't well known David, and it should also be said that it requires sending in your current kit to do it, at least that's how I understand it. It's not a matter of getting a second body and slapping your current back on it.Hey Bryan,
There is no benefit to an H4D owner wanting to buy an H4x body.
H4D and H3D owners have always had access to buying a spare body for backup.
David
I am irritated that my gently used two-year-old H2F has probably plummeted in resale value due to the H4x announcement. It doesn't appear Hassey is going to continue the CF line, and I don't want to trade in my H2F plus $4-5K to be able to upgrade my digital back one or two years down the road.Hi Marc,
Thanks for the comments. Ill put it back to the management so they are aware.
As it stands now, the H4x is designed as an upgrade for existing H1/H2 owners to keep their bodies working well for them.
Yes, you can still purchase additional bodies. Your existing system is sent in so both bodies have the same calibration, this is what you paid for afterall.
The H3D platform is still a superior integrated system, even without the True Focus feature.
Website is now live..
http://www.hasselblad.com/H4x
Have a look at the Q&A for more answers.
David
That's all very sweet David, but what about those who expect to update and upgrade their backs regularly?Hey Bryan,
There is no benefit to an H4D owner wanting to buy an H4x body.
H4D and H3D owners have always had access to buying a spare body for backup.
David
Of course there is - it means they can run down to the local rental shop to hire a Phase back as a backup, if their Hasselblad back goes down. Or they might want to upgrade to an IQ180 or some other back, or they might appreciate getting more for their camera when they sell it (an open camera should be worth more than a closed one). I will wait for official announcement, but it seems bizarre that existing users would be penalized like this.Hey Bryan,
There is no benefit to an H4D owner wanting to buy an H4x body.
Bryan,That's all very sweet David, but what about those who expect to update and upgrade their backs regularly?
Since starting with MFDB back in 1995, I've upgraded my back about once every 3.5 years. Each time I do that, I go to the market and see what I consider the best available at the time. I've had LEAF, Phase One and Kodak backs at various points, always on Blads until recently. Many of my peers, who are heavily invested in Blad glass and would like to stay with it, are at the point where they are ready to replace their backs with the one I currently use, but alas, they have H3 and H4 bodies.
From a business owners perspective, the back and the glass is the biggest factor, both in cost and in impact on image quality.
Unless you are about to unveil some new backs to directly compete with or surpass the current state-of-the -art backs, this is going to be a bone of contention for some.
Graham,Of course there is - it means they can run down to the local rental shop to hire a Phase back as a backup, if their Hasselblad back goes down. Or they might want to upgrade to an IQ180 or some other back, or they might appreciate getting more for their camera when they sell it (an open camera should be worth more than a closed one). I will wait for official announcement, but it seems bizarre that existing users would be penalized like this.
I am irritated that my gently used two-year-old H2F has probably plummeted in resale value due to the H4x announcement. It doesn't appear Hassey is going to continue the CF line, and I don't want to trade in my H2F plus $4-5K to be able to upgrade my digital back one or two years down the road.
Do you really want to open this can of worms? I had the grace not to mention the name of the back I consider the best for the type of work I do.Bryan,
There is no such thing as an H3 or H4 body. The H3D and H4D were sold as complete camera systems.
We can also argue wether we or a competitor already have the "state of the art offering" but that has also been discussed to death already.
I could of course assume you mean the H4D200MS?
David
Perhaps I'm missing something so I'd appreciate if you could clarify this. I assumed (as many have, I think) that the H4x is basically an H4 camera with different firmware which allows the use of third party backs. Is that not the case? If it is the case, then why would any H4 owner trade in his camera for an H4x rather than just updating the firmware?There are also similar paths for existing H1/2/3/4D users as well.
An H4 Owner would not trade in their H4 Graham.Perhaps I'm missing something so I'd appreciate if you could clarify this. I assumed (as many have, I think) that the H4x is basically an H4 camera with different firmware which allows the use of third party backs. Is that not the case? If it is the case, then why would any H4 owner trade in his camera for an H4x rather than just updating the firmware?
Really David? I'm sure my dear friend Tareq , a member here and an up-and-coming professional in the United Arab Emirates, would love to hear about it. He's passionate about his gear and loves to be up to date.Graham,
There are also similar paths for existing H1/2/3/4D users as well.
David