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    Ha! I'm one of you now :)

    Just bought my first Medium Format System. Very excited.

    Mamiya 645 w 80 f/2.8 and 120/220 back.

    Mamiya ZD Digital Back.

    Let the games begin!

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    I hope you enjoy slippery slopes!

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    God save his soul!

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    Sucker!



    (Congrats and have fun!)

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    Just think, by this time next year he'll already upgraded or gotten new gear.

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    No doubt about it. Welcome to the inferno!!!!
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

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    Woohoo! Welcome Daniel and ignore the peanut gallery who'll all be leading you in to deeper temptation. Especially that Guy fella! He'll cost you a fortune before you know it.

    Seriously though, welcome to the party and enjoy all that rich medium format digital goodness that your ZD will deliver. You'll have to share your IQ180 experiences in about a year after the bottomless pit of MF image quality has sucked you in (I forgot who mentioned it but yes, the ZD just may be a gateway drug ...)
    Remember: adventure before dementia!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    No doubt about it. Welcome to the inferno!!!!

    whereas he just has entered the first of the seven levels of hell........

    Daniel - have fun ! But remember you were told !


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    Mamiya 645 w 80 f/2.8 and 120/220 back + Mamiya ZD Digital Back

    Very effective combo if you have enough discipline and patience to switch between digital and film back depending on what works best in any given lighting situation ie ZD for 100iso and film for everything else. Most of us on this forum don't have that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowep View Post
    Mamiya 645 w 80 f/2.8 and 120/220 back + Mamiya ZD Digital Back

    Very effective combo if you have enough discipline and patience to switch between digital and film back depending on what works best in any given lighting situation ie ZD for 100iso and film for everything else. Most of us on this forum don't have that.

    You mean discipline and patience?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    You mean discipline and patience?


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    No, a ZD back and film.



    (sorry, couldn't help myself Steve---ok back to work)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    You mean discipline and patience?


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    Can you explain that to me , never learned that. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    No, a ZD back and film.



    (sorry, couldn't help myself Steve---ok back to work)

    Either way presents its challenges....ZD/Film.......Discipline/Patience....



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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    Either way presents its challenges....ZD/Film.......Discipline/Patience....



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    Great stuff Daniel Enjoy the new gear!!
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    Nice move Daniel. Welcome to the world of closer relationships with your banker and not-so-good ones with your family....

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    Haha. Thanks all for the warm welcome.

    Two quick ?s -

    1) I've seen a couple of things on the internets that you can use the DP400 battery in the ZD Back -
    http://www.amazon.com/Lenmar-DLM400-...0186567&sr=1-2
    Same one that the k10d uses - $18 vs. $200 for the Mamiya. Seems like a good call.

    2) CF Cards. I'm currently using 16 GB San Disk Extremes with my d700. I'm assuming they prob won't work so well in the back?
    I should prob pick up some 4 GBs.

    3)RAW conversion...currently using lightroom. Should I look into C1?

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    We need a helmet smilie icon for posting. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielvalentephotography View Post
    Haha. Thanks all for the warm welcome.

    Two quick ?s -

    1) I've seen a couple of things on the internets that you can use the DP400 battery in the ZD Back -
    http://www.amazon.com/Lenmar-DLM400-...0186567&sr=1-2
    Same one that the k10d uses - $18 vs. $200 for the Mamiya. Seems like a good call.

    2) CF Cards. I'm currently using 16 GB San Disk Extremes with my d700. I'm assuming they prob won't work so well in the back?
    I should prob pick up some 4 GBs.

    3)RAW conversion...currently using lightroom. Should I look into C1?


    On 2 probably the Extremes will not work at all. Need to go back to some older cards and yes I think 4gb was the limit.

    On 3 NO QUESTION
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielvalentephotography View Post
    Haha. Thanks all for the warm welcome.

    Two quick ?s -

    1) I've seen a couple of things on the internets that you can use the DP400 battery in the ZD Back -
    http://www.amazon.com/Lenmar-DLM400-...0186567&sr=1-2
    Same one that the k10d uses - $18 vs. $200 for the Mamiya. Seems like a good call.

    2) CF Cards. I'm currently using 16 GB San Disk Extremes with my d700. I'm assuming they prob won't work so well in the back?
    I should prob pick up some 4 GBs.

    3)RAW conversion...currently using lightroom. Should I look into C1?
    Congrats on the new system!

    1) I would be too scared to try that battery in my ZD back.

    2) I use a Sandisk Ultra 8GB card in my ZD (non double buffer model). Give your 16GB Sandisk card a shot, I'd say...

    3) I would at least try C1, you might like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by homeiss View Post
    Congrats on the new system!

    1) I would be too scared to try that battery in my ZD back.

    2) I use a Sandisk Ultra 8GB card in my ZD (non double buffer model). Give your 16GB Sandisk card a shot, I'd say...

    3) I would at least try C1, you might like it.

    Welcome .... and get out your asbestos underwear, once you get started, all hope is indeed abandoned.

    I started with LR for my ZD, but as I recall, C1 works for free as somewhere along the line there was a deal with Mamiya and and Phase One. IMHO, C1 blows away LR at MFDB conversions. I tend to use a mixed flow as I still have not fronted up the money for a full open license for C1, plus, I have a whole suite of legacy files that life in C1. Workflow wise, as a non-pro, it's just not that big a deal to use C1 as a pre-processor, and finish up the details in LR.

    For raw IQ, the ZD is an excellent choice, and it is a matter of patience and discipline to use one well. If it had a better frame rate and ISO performance, I never would have changed. ..... for about 1/2 my work under strobes, the back was way more than sufficient.

    But oh those buts ...... let the ISO needs drift up, ie natural light in the studio, and have a model who is less than a stellar ( one that wants to dace rather than pose ) and the ZD has to abandon all hope ..... I gave it almost a year, and as the oil business was good, I had the cash, so a P30+ is was.

    As for cards, I using SanDisk 30mb/s 8 gig cards, and they work out just fine ...... I got an 4GB extreme III, and I cannot tell the difference in speed. For almost all my work, the limiting factor on frame rate is now the strobe refresh cycle, not the camera, no matter what card.

    If the oil gods had not smiled, I would still be using the ZD, and honestly, it's a really good solution most of the time!

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    I started with the ZD myself into the MF world and as far as IQ it was very good in the low ISO world. Got some really nice images from it. More my issues where related to back speed and just being slow with preview and stuff like that. If you have the patience it will serve you well and it is a great start. My love affair did not last long with it but that was more me and how I work than anything else and moved in on a P25+ next. Than the rest is history for me as I have the IQ 160 today but went through several backs to get here. Your certainly on the right path and a great start in the MF world. It is a very very slippery slope for sure but mixed with C1 the images are very very nice. Best of luck
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    Don't let Guy scare you, he's an unique individual and caring doctors and psychiatrists have him under constant watch, only allowing him 2 system upgrades per year and only around 10 individual camera/lens upgrades per quarter. We all pray that he doesn't recover and that the long overdue mariticide (I had to look it up ) be further delayed.
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    ROTFLMAO. That was great Ben.
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    Quote Originally Posted by homeiss View Post
    Congrats on the new system!

    1) I would be too scared to try that battery in my ZD back.

    2) I use a Sandisk Ultra 8GB card in my ZD (non double buffer model). Give your 16GB Sandisk card a shot, I'd say...

    3) I would at least try C1, you might like it.

    Regarding your question about the battery -- as long as it has the same voltage/current, and the same actual terminal configuration, it will work fine. It's just a battery. I run 7000 mAh batteries on my Leaf Aptus-II 12, for example, which cost half what the "Leaf" branded 2300 mAh batteries do.
    Last edited by coulombic; 2nd November 2011 at 07:01. Reason: correction.
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    Few shots from this evening. Web-compressed don't do it justice. Def a slower workflow

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielvalentephotography View Post
    Haha. Thanks all for the warm welcome.

    Two quick ?s -

    1) I've seen a couple of things on the internets that you can use the DP400 battery in the ZD Back -
    http://www.amazon.com/Lenmar-DLM400-...0186567&sr=1-2
    Same one that the k10d uses - $18 vs. $200 for the Mamiya. Seems like a good call.

    2) CF Cards. I'm currently using 16 GB San Disk Extremes with my d700. I'm assuming they prob won't work so well in the back?
    I should prob pick up some 4 GBs.

    3)RAW conversion...currently using lightroom. Should I look into C1?
    1 - I use NP400 chinese batteries without any problem with ZD. Your link will also work like a charm. Even will charge in mamiya original charger.

    2 - I also use Adata 32GB x533 modern card. No problem, can be filled fully to 32G. Just the back can not format it. Not a big problem - format it in computer or any DSLR with CF cards

    3 - Lightroom needs a custom profile to be accurate with colors. I use ColorChecker Passport.

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