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    Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    I'm curious about this lens, but can only find a small number of brief reviews on the web.
    Does anyone here have experience with this lens?

    Please share some pictures from the lens as well if you would....

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    This might help: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28673

    I've found the 180 sharp, even wide open. The lens feels wonderful to focus. My only quibble is that it doesn't handle highlights well. There is fringing, iirc. That doesn't generally pose a problem when shooting people but it might be an issue for some. It's also a bit long for my work so it's a lens I keep just in case I need to extra reach some day, and I use it very rarely. For that reason I can't really give you a more thorough review. I know the 40, 80 and 110mm much better.

    p.s. there might be some longitudinal chromatic aberration too, iirc. if you'd like me to shoot some sample, let me know.

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Hi Graham,

    Slightly off topic. I have been eyeing the Hy6 for a while now. One of my biggest concerns is the lack of autofocus wide-angle lenses. As far as I know the 40mm is the widest lens available for the Hy6 but it is a manual lens, isn't it? Was or is that also a concern for you?

    Thanks, Joris.

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Thanks...
    Do you have some pictures, not the test shots, taken with the lens...?

    BTW, I'm getting the Super Angulon 40 as well....

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by JorisV View Post
    As far as I know the 40mm is the widest lens available for the Hy6 but it is a manual lens, isn't it? Was or is that also a concern for you?
    Not really a concern for me - I usually use manual focus anyway although with an 80MP sensor it is even more critical to be accurately focused. I am still waiting for the Schneider AFD-Flektogon 35mm f/3.5 to be released.

    The Hy6 is a great camera - I really enjoy it.

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Mitchell View Post
    I am still waiting for the Schneider AFD-Flektogon 35mm f/3.5 to be released.
    Is there any indication that this will ever happen? Thanks, Joris.

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by paul25 View Post
    Thanks...
    Do you have some pictures, not the test shots, taken with the lens...?
    All I can think of right now is this FHM shot from about 5 years ago I'll see if I can find more.




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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Wow....
    Beautiful.....

    Thanks... and please post some more if/when you can find some time to find more...

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    I had to try the lens....


    5D MkII and Rollei 180/2.8 ...
    Last edited by paul25; 11th July 2012 at 13:47.

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by paul25 View Post
    5D MkII and Rollei 180/2.8 ...

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    The lens was converted to Hasselblad mount, so it fits on my Hassy 205.
    I just put Hassy to EOS adapter on the lens to try it on 5D MkII....

    It's raining here, and I didn't want my Hassy to get wet.....

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    As I just wrote on FM, are you sure this was a Rollei 6000 series lens to begin with? Could you post an image of this beast?

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Here are two quick snap shots of the lens on 5D MkII...
    Last edited by paul25; 11th July 2012 at 13:47.

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Thanks, so i assume the leaf shutter is disabled, but what about the aperture? Is it stuck wide open?
    Last edited by Graham Mitchell; 7th December 2011 at 08:57.

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    All f stops work fine...

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    here's an example shot with the 180/2.8 AFD, aperture was set at f7.1 (Hy6/e75LV)


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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by paul25 View Post
    All f stops work fine...
    Has it been modified to mechanically move the aperture with the turning of the aperture ring?

    I see no point in using a lens like this on a Canon, as I wrote in my blog: http://www.graham-mitchell.com/blog/?p=152

    However, this might have some merit for use on another medium format body, if there really is no equivalent native lens. I can't help thinking that you could have just bought a used 6008i camera for less than the mod probably cost, if you shooting film, but I suppose that if you have a digital Hasselblad V then this starts to makes sense.

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    I did not buy the lens for 5D MkII....:0

    I like Hassy V system that I have, 205TCC to be exact, and I have CFV16 digital back at the moment.
    I've heard some Rollei lenses are better than those of Hasselblad, which made me consider this lens....

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Please don't take me the wrong way, I find this all very interesting. I'd still like to know how the aperture is controlled. This is the first Rollei lens conversion I've ever heard of.

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    I hope it doesn't start a trend. Finding the interesting Rollei lenses is hard enough now, but converting them to other mounts would just make the situation worse.
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    I hope it doesn't start a trend. Finding the interesting Rollei lenses is hard enough now, but converting them to other mounts would just make the situation worse.
    Fortunately the 110mm already exists in the Hass V mount

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    In my entire life, I have known of two (2) Rollei 110/2 lenses for sale. One went just recently on eBay. I wanted to bid, but my bank rearranged the online banking site and two of my accounts no longer showed up, so I couldn't move the money around in time to get it ready. #%&#%^%$. The other one is no longer for sale (but may be at some point again; I am ready to pounce).

    The bad thing is that the Rollei 110/2 is as expensive as the Hasselblad 110/2 plus a 203FE.
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    If I'm not making mistake, I think the manual focus version of 180/2.8 is less popular than the AF one....
    So, I feel less guilty....

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    That doesn't let you off the hook for the 40/3.5!
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    You sound like I am the one who did the conversion....
    Maybe I sounded that way....but I didn't do the conversion.....

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    I do understand the sentiment though...

    There were many Contax ND users who were pretty upset when they found out I was using the converted N lenses....

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Please tell us how the aperture can work without a power supply and microcontroller. Curious minds need to know.

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Paul, don't feel attacked, I am not angry I am a little sad, since it is quite hard to find nice lenses for Rolleiflex cameras, unlike Hasselblad or even Contax 645. The Rolleiflex system is awesome, but was probably always held back by financial mismanagement and poor advertising and support strategies in foreign markets.
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    I don't know much about technicality of lens...

    The person who sold me said that it acts as 'F' Lens....
    I guess it means I can only use it on 200 series camera....

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Yes, that presumably means that the shutter has been disabled, and so the camera needs to have a shutter. 2000-series also works, but is less interesting. But you could also use it on a Contax 645 or any other focal plane shutter 645 camera for which adapters exist.
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Don't worry...I'm not upset....
    I just hope that I didn't offend anyone who is against modification of lenses....

    FYI, there are few on eBay, but I think they are a bit overpriced....

    BTW, what are reasonable prices for 40mm, and 180mm used?
    I bought them because they were cheaper than eBay, and can be used on my 205.....

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    I don't know American prices. The 40/3.5 goes for around 1500-1600 Euro, sometimes a little less, and the 180/2.8 I have seen a couple of times for 800 Euro, but it generally lists somewhat higher.

    It is a bit hard to form an impression of Rolleiflex lens prices for some of the less common options. There just aren't enough sales to get reasonable statistics on prices. Some lenses I have never ever seen for sale, like the 90 Macro or the 80/2. I have no idea what they would cost.
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Rollei prices are kind of funny. For a while, anything (MF) was available for $1400-2000, unless they were super exotic. Then they went down, then up.... They do bounce around. The good news is that with the Hy6, and focus confirmation, use of the otherwise overlooked manual lenses is really easy, and thus one can avoid the AF cost premium. That said, one of those new 120 mm lenses, if they made it an AF like they had originally thought to, would be delightful.

    As to reconfiguring the mount? Wow, like Graham, didn't think it possible. Alpa has a Rollei lens mount for their camera, but that's about it.

    Those bemoaning the lack of 110/2 lenses should know that it weighs a ton, more than the Schneider glass. Maybe that's a good reason to talk yourself out of it.

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Geoff, I own the Hasselblad 110/2, so I know what I am missing Weight is of course important, but for some lenses, secondary. I think the 180/2.8 is heavier, isn't it?
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    The 180mm is heavier, and certainly bulkier. It is an excellent lens, but I think its utility is diminished by its size and weight. I used it a lot when I shot Rollei, but ultimately, I think the 110/2 and 150mm f/4 Tele-Xenar are more useful lenses. I compared the lens pretty extensively to the 180mm f/4 CF Sonnar, and surprisingly I found that the Schneider was significantly better. I never found the 180 had any problems with color aberrations, but then again, I never shot it much on digital, which is what seems to generate them (a lot of times it is the sensor cover glass or interplay between the lens and cover glass that causes the aberrations, rather than the lens itself). I did not see any problems on slides.
    I found the lens to be very sharp, with lovely soft bokeh that had a tendency to have pentagonal shapes in it if you were backlit and shot stopped down a bit. I also cannot overemphasize just how bulky and beastly this lens is to lug around. I found I left it at home unless I knew that I was going to need it. It is not a, "well, I will just bring it along" lens, which even the 110/2 can be.





    I think this is with it:






    By the way, I would also love to hear about who did the conversion, and how it worked. I still have a 150mm Rollei lens that I could not sell for a decent price, so I kept it. I do not have a 150mm for my Hasselblad, so it would be very nice if I could convert it...
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    By the way, I would also love to hear about who did the conversion, and how it worked. I still have a 150mm Rollei lens that I could not sell for a decent price, so I kept it. I do not have a 150mm for my Hasselblad, so it would be very nice if I could convert it...
    I'm curious to know how much the conversion costs but I suspect it would be cheaper and easier to sell your lens and buy the Hasselblad 150mm.

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Very nice rendering! I think I will end up with one at some point, but for now my plan to to get by with 50/80/150 PQ lenses.
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    You are probably right Graham, but no one wants to buy the 150mm lenses I have, at least not at what I consider a fair price (i.e. 1200-1500 USD for the Tele-Xenar). I tried here, tried on eBay and had either unpaying bidders, low-ballers or lots of hassles. The lens is too good to give away for a cheap price -- it is better than the Hasselblad Sonnar (I know, I have the Zeiss Sonnar for the Rollei too, though the older version). If I could just find a way to use it, I would rather do that, assuming I cannot get a decent price for it.
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Is the older Sonnar the PQ version? I am looking at picking up a used one I found locally for 500 Euro, and wondering if the price is reasonable and the lens decent.
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    No, it is the HFT. Basically, it is a very good lens that is almost worthless. No one seems to be willing to spend more than 300-400 US for it. For that it is not even worth selling. I'd rather just find the cheapest rollei 6000 body I can and use that with it.
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    You can get nice 6002/6003/6006 bodies for about 250 or so, in case you don't want to pay 500 for a 6008 professional. Are you still based in Iceland? You could try listing on one of the European eBay sites, if you ever get down here, so you can drop it in the post without anyone needing to pay import taxes.
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Here's a 180 shot on a P20 some time ago. Its not a commercial shot, so the lighting is only natural, and focus is limited, but the foreshortening of the lens works well.
    Last edited by Geoff; 2nd January 2013 at 19:12.

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Carsten -- I am in Berlin for two weeks at the end of January if you want either of them. I would sell them (either or both) to you for a very reasonable price. Just PM me or something if you are interested. I am just too busy and fed up to sell them on eBay etc at the moment.
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Let's speak when it gets a bit closer. I need to look at selling some other stuff. It would be the Tele-Xenar if anything. I would love to meet for a coffee though, if you have a gap in your schedule.
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Ok sounds good. I would be happy to meet up for a coffee in any case. I will be there for two weeks, other than for a short trip to Weimar, so there should be plenty of time.
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    If you go to Weimar, maybe Dessau would also interest you (bauhaus)?

    Is the lens PQ or PQS, btw?
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    I dug out an old sample taken with the 180mm:



    And here are larger versions of the above 2 images:




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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Wow...
    It really melts the background, very similar to the performance of Canon 200/1.8...

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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    Nice shots Graham!
    Carsten -- I am only going to Weimar for a friend's graduation from Bauhaus University, but I imagine it will be nice to see the city, in any case. I have been to Berlin several times now, but nowhere else in Germany. As for the lens, it is PQ. I have not really found this to be a limitation in most cases.
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    Re: Rollei Schneider 180/2.8

    The seller of the lens told me that the conversion cost was $400...

    Here are few snaps with CFV 16...
    Last edited by paul25; 11th July 2012 at 13:47.

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