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    For your information, just released, prices for the Sinar Hy6 - 65 camera prices:

    1. Sinar Hy6 - 65 ---> Euro 12'073.- (about US$ 17'200.-)

    Scope of Delivery

    - Sinar Hy6 Body from stock
    - Schneider AFD Xenotar 2.8/80 PQS lens
    - Format Mask Hy6/65
    - Sinar Hy6 65 back
    - Firewire Cable 1394 B, 4.5 m
    - Sinar V290 Battery, 7.2 V Li+
    - Charger V290 Battery (including Mains adapter, and 12V Lighter cable)
    - CF Card 4 GB
    - CF Card Reader
    - Gray Card
    - Digital Cleaning Kit
    - Sinarback Software on CD
    - Sinar Hy6 System Case, empty

    Availability: October 2008

    2. Sinar Hy6 -s65r ---> Euro 15'841.- (about US$ 22'500.-)

    Scope of Delivery

    - Sinar Hy6 Body
    - Schneider AFD Xenotar 2.8/80 PQS lens
    - SB eMotion/Sinar Hy6 Revolving Adapter
    - Format Mask Hy6/65
    - Sinarback eSprit 65 LV
    - Firewire Cable 1394 B, 4.5 m
    - 2 Sinar V290 Batteries, 7.2 V Li+
    - Twin Charger V290 Battery (including Mains adapter, and 12V Lighter cable)
    - CF Card 4 GB
    - CF Card Reader
    - Gray Card
    - White Shading Diffusor 100
    - Digital Cleaning Kit
    - Sinarback Software on CD
    - Sinar Hy6 System Case, empty

    Availability: October 2008

    3. Sinarback eSprit 65 LV ---> Euro 10'854.- (about US$ 15'500.-)

    Scope of Delivery

    - Sinarback eSprit 65 LV
    - Firewire Cable 1394 B, 4.5 m
    - Sinar V290 Battery, 7.2 V Li+
    - Charger V290 Battery (including Mains adapter, and 12V Lighter cable)
    - CF Card 4 GB
    - CF Card Reader
    - Gray Card
    - White Shading Diffusor 100
    - Sinarback Software on CD
    - Digital Cleaning Kit
    - Sinarback Universal Case, empty

    Availability: October 2008

    All technical information concerning these 2 camera systems and this Sinarback has been mostly given in the following threads:

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3089

    and here:

    http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/...howtopic=27565

    The brochure for these systems and digital back can be downloaded from here:

    http://www.sinarcameras.com/site/ind...-rand-965.html

    Go to "Downloads" ---> "Brochures".

    For further questions, please visit us at our booth at Photokina, next week, for those able.

    Best regards,
    Thierry

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    Dear Thierry,

    Thank you for the update! The prices look competitive and almost affordable.

    I am interested in the eSprit 65LV for my Sinar-M and Rollei Hy6. Shall I order a new revolving adapter for the new back or I can use my unrevolving adapter I currently use with the Hy6? Will the Sinar-M/ eMotion adapter work with the new back?

    Kind Regards,
    Yevgeny

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    Nice pricing. Similar in pricing to some of the P30+ promos and the H3DII31 promos that are around.

    Anxious to see some real world reviews on the work-flow and performance. I like some of your innovations, maybe that will stoke the fire amongst the competitors.

    What warranty do they carry?

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    Dear Yevgeny,

    The Sinarback eSprit 65 LV uses the very same revolving adapter as the eMotion backs, cat. N 552.36.085.

    As a consequence I believe, without having confirmation, that the non-revolving Hy6/eMotion does fit as well.

    Let me confirm this when sure.

    Best regards,
    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by Yevgeny NP View Post
    Dear Thierry,

    Thank you for the update! The prices look competitive and almost affordable.

    I am interested in the eSprit 65LV for my Sinar-M and Rollei Hy6. Shall I order a new revolving adapter for the new back or I can use my unrevolving adapter I currently use with the Hy6? Will the Sinar-M/ eMotion adapter work with the new back?

    Kind Regards,
    Yevgeny

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    Thanks Lance!

    This system carries the same normal Sinar warranty, a 3-year warranty (2 + 1 by registering in our Sinar Owners Group).

    Best regards,
    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by lance_schad View Post
    Nice pricing. Similar in pricing to some of the P30+ promos and the H3DII31 promos that are around.

    Anxious to see some real world reviews on the work-flow and performance. I like some of your innovations, maybe that will stoke the fire amongst the competitors.

    What warranty do they carry?

    Lance


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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    Dear Thierry,
    Thank you for the information.
    Yevgeny

    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    Dear Yevgeny,

    The Sinarback eSprit 65 LV uses the very same revolving adapter as the eMotion backs, cat. N 552.36.085.

    As a consequence I believe, without having confirmation, that the non-revolving Hy6/eMotion does fit as well.

    Let me confirm this when sure.

    Best regards,
    Thierry

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    Wow, this is very competitive pricing... As an owner of the Hy6/e75LV anything that expands awareness and use of the Sinar brand is good news to me. Bravo Sinar !!!

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    Thanks David!

    I should not tell (you), but the prices of the Sinar Hy6 - eMotion 54LV, Hy6 - eMotion 75 and Hy6 - eMotion 75 LV have been dropped as well, as per today!



    More tomorrow.

    Best regards,
    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by David K View Post
    Wow, this is very competitive pricing... As an owner of the Hy6/e75LV anything that expands awareness and use of the Sinar brand is good news to me. Bravo Sinar !!!

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    Thanks David!

    I should not tell (you), but the prices of the Sinar Hy6 - eMotion 54LV, Hy6 - eMotion 75 and Hy6 - eMotion 75 LV have been dropped as well, as per today!



    More tomorrow.

    Best regards,
    Thierry
    Not a problem Thierry... just make the price drop retroactive

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    Thierry, Thanks

    These prices are close to what I expected!!!


    Could you just confirm one thing.... when you shoot tethered, are you able to see the image on DB and the Computer at the same time or just Computer? Because as I remember.... not long ago ( I couldn't find the thread to point it out..) there was a talk about shooting tethered and not being able to see the image on both DB and Computer screen at the same time!!! So , I'm not sure.... who they were talking about SINAR or LEAF?

    That is a deal breaker to me !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    Dear Natasa,

    I can confirm that the image is shown in the back's display, when tethered, until the image is on the HD of the computer.

    Best regards,
    Thierry
    I got your answer to my question on LL for the above.... I hope you don't mind me publishing it here for all of us to share.... Thanks

    Related to the above answer.... I would like to ask for how long can I set the display so that perhaps the image can stay 8,9,10,15 seconds or like Canon/Nikon you can set it to stay until you make another exposure... in my case that' the best and something I would prefer?


    if t

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    ... that's exactly what I feared, when saying I "shouldn't"!



    Thierry


    Quote Originally Posted by David K View Post
    Not a problem Thierry... just make the price drop retroactive

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    hi Natasa,

    I don't know about Leaf, but the shot image is displayed on the back's screen until it is uploaded to the computer's HD.

    I believe so it is with the PO backs as well, at least from what I have heard, and 3 weeks ago.

    I believe that it should be possible to have a setting allowing a longer display of the image, and that this can be achieved by firmware. However, it is not implemented yet, though on our wish list.

    Best regards,
    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by Natasa Stojsic View Post
    Thierry, Thanks

    These prices are close to what I expected!!!


    Could you just confirm one thing.... when you shoot tethered, are you able to see the image on DB and the Computer at the same time or just Computer? Because as I remember.... not long ago ( I couldn't find the thread to point it out..) there was a talk about shooting tethered and not being able to see the image on both DB and Computer screen at the same time!!! So , I'm not sure.... who they were talking about SINAR or LEAF?

    That is a deal breaker to me !!!



    I got your answer to my question on LL for the above.... I hope you don't mind me publishing it here for all of us to share.... Thanks

    Related to the above answer.... I would like to ask for how long can I set the display so that perhaps the image can stay 8,9,10,15 seconds or like Canon/Nikon you can set it to stay until you make another exposure... in my case that' the best and something I would prefer?


    if t

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    Thierry - thank you very much for the information.

    Peter

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    Dear Yevgeny,

    I just wish to confirm my belief from yesterday below:

    YES, the Sinar eMotion adapter 552.36.086 (non-revolving) can be used and is the one to use with the Sinarback eSprit 65.

    Best regards,
    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    Dear Yevgeny,

    The Sinarback eSprit 65 LV uses the very same revolving adapter as the eMotion backs, cat. N 552.36.085.

    As a consequence I believe, without having confirmation, that the non-revolving Hy6/eMotion does fit as well.

    Let me confirm this when sure.

    Best regards,
    Thierry

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    I must say that this is a fantastic delivery for Sinar. This is a VERY desirable offering that has to have a major impact on the entire industry.

    Based on direct experience, the 1.3X crop factor of the already proven sensor is not an issue when used for what it was designed for ... fast, high image quality capture. Direct DNG capture, rotating back, quick AF Schneider digital spec optics ...

    To my mind this is now the foremost people shooting camera in the world.

    Way to go Sinar

    BTW, who is the US dealer?

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    Thanks Marc!

    Sinar's exclusive distributor is Sinar Bron Imaging:

    Sinar Bron Imaging
    17 Progress Street
    Edison, N.J. 08820

    Phone: (+1) 908 754 58 00
    Fax: (+1) 908 754 58 07
    E-mail: [email protected]
    Website: www.sinarbron.com

    Contact Greg King, Colin King or Dave McRitchie

    Best regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I must say that this is a fantastic delivery for Sinar. This is a VERY desirable offering that has to have a major impact on the entire industry.

    Based on direct experience, the 1.3X crop factor of the already proven sensor is not an issue when used for what it was designed for ... fast, high image quality capture. Direct DNG capture, rotating back, quick AF Schneider digital spec optics ...

    To my mind this is now the foremost people shooting camera in the world.

    Way to go Sinar

    BTW, who is the US dealer?

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    Dear Thierry,
    Very good news! Thank you for the confirmation!

    May I assume that my eMotion /Sinar-M adapter also can be used with the Sinarback eSprit 65??

    Kind regards,
    Yevgeny

    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    Dear Yevgeny,

    I just wish to confirm my belief from yesterday below:

    YES, the Sinar eMotion adapter 552.36.086 (non-revolving) can be used and is the one to use with the Sinarback eSprit 65.

    Best regards,
    Thierry

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    Congrats Thierry! This is indeed aggressive pricing and is not only going to be good for Sinar, but the entire MF market -- kudos to Sinar for taking the lead on this. Assuming the other manufacturers are going to follow, IMO this will add enough demand to the MF market to give it healthy future. Of course at the same time, it will steal a large segment of the pro DSLR market, so in turn will probably force a trickle down in pricing on all digital... Good time to be a digital consumer!

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    Dave Mc Ritchie is right here in Florida with us at our lighting workshop all week. He brought in a truck load of Broncolor lighting for us to use.
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    ... and no Sinar equipment?!



    Have a great workshop,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Dave Mc Ritchie is right here in Florida with us at our lighting workshop all week. He brought in a truck load of Broncolor lighting for us to use.

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    Nothing Theirry. Would love to have some Sinar stuff down here. We have Davids but that is it.
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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    ... and no Sinar equipment?!



    Have a great workshop,
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    Not a drop... Didn't think he had it available to him-?

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    ... and no Sinar equipment?!



    Have a great workshop,
    Thierry
    Thierry,

    I wouldn't worry about not having Sinar equipment at the workshop. Dave Mc Ritchie and I coordinated what each of us would bring before the workshop. Between us we have plenty of gear for anyone interested in trying it out (including my 55mm PCS which is back in "like new" condition from F&H). Not only do we have a full line up of Sinar lenses but also the Contax 645 kit, via Sinar adapter and my friend Son is sending me down a Hasselblad SWC kit (Colin is sending down a Hasselblad adapter from NJ) so we can try out that combination as well.

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    Hi Yevgeny,

    Yes, that's right: you can use the very same adapters for the Siarback eSprit 65 as the ones used for the eMotion backs, being it for the Hy6, the sinar m, Hasselblad V & H1/H2,or the Mamiya 645 AFD/AFD II.

    Best regards,
    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by Yevgeny NP View Post
    Dear Thierry,
    Very good news! Thank you for the confirmation!

    May I assume that my eMotion /Sinar-M adapter also can be used with the Sinarback eSprit 65??

    Kind regards,
    Yevgeny

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    Thanks David, appreciated!

    I am sure that it will be a good workshops, with all this gear available, not mentioning the wonderful models organized by Guy and Jack! And my guess is that the latter will have the most success!



    Best regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by David K View Post
    Thierry,

    I wouldn't worry about not having Sinar equipment at the workshop. Dave Mc Ritchie and I coordinated what each of us would bring before the workshop. Between us we have plenty of gear for anyone interested in trying it out (including my 55mm PCS which is back in "like new" condition from F&H). Not only do we have a full line up of Sinar lenses but also the Contax 645 kit, via Sinar adapter and my friend Son is sending me down a Hasselblad SWC kit (Colin is sending down a Hasselblad adapter from NJ) so we can try out that combination as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    Hi Yevgeny,

    Yes, that's right: you can use the very same adapters for the Siarback eSprit 65 as the ones used for the eMotion backs, being it for the Hy6, the sinar m, Hasselblad V & H1/H2,or the Mamiya 645 AFD/AFD II.

    Best regards,
    Thierry
    Dear Thierry,

    Thanks again!

    Kind regards,
    Yevgeny

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    ... and no Sinar equipment?!



    Have a great workshop,
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    Thierry, I think the key is to at least have as many Hy6 Camera ON THE ROAD as we have Broncolor Lights

    Obviously, that ratio is not going to be enough to satisfy SINAR pockets, but to fill that gap is success anyways

    I am 90% close to buying Hy6.... only advise I need at this point is on AF lenses...?

    what is available in AF?

    any new AF lenses to be realesed and when?

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    hi Natasa,

    here what is available (or soon available) on AF lenses, either from the new AFD line, or from the previous AF line, or then easily as second-hand, from shortest to longest:

    Schneider AF-Super-Angulon PQS 2.8/50 mm
    Schneider AFD-Super-Angulon PQS 2.8/50 mm
    Schneider AF-Xenotar PQS 2.8/80
    Schneider AFD-Xenotar PQS 2.8/80 mm
    Schneider AF-Tele Xenar PQS 4.0/150 mm (to be available 1st Q '09)
    Schneider AFD-Tele Xenar PQS 4.0/150 mm
    Schneider AF-Tele-Xenar PQ 2.8/180 mm
    Schneider AFD-Tele-Xenar PQ 2.8/180 mm
    Schneider AF-Variogon PQS 4.6/60-140 mm
    Schneider AFD-Variogon PQS 4.6/60-140 mm (to be available 1st Q '09)

    and here what has not yet an ETA:

    - Flektogon 35mm AFD

    Some of the 3 "to-be-released" AF lenses might be seen at Photokina (or not).

    As far as non-AF lenses are concerned: there are over 35 different models available and fitting the Hy6.

    Best regards,
    Thierry



    Quote Originally Posted by Natasa Stojsic View Post
    Thierry,

    I am 90% close to buying Hy6.... only advise I need at this point is on AF lenses...?

    what is available in AF?

    any new AF lenses to be realesed and when?

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    I think everyione should have 3 MFD systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    I think everyione should have 3 MFD systems.
    503CW-203FE systems with CFV, Mamiya RZ (same CFV), H3D-II/39 (Mostly used on a Rollei Xact,) H3D-II/31; H2F waiting for a inexpensive 22 CF back

    Really only need two ... the H MFDs. Two, only because on a commercial shoot I need the immediate back-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    I think everyione should have 3 MFD systems.
    Sounds like something Marie Antoinette might have said if they had digital back then

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    Quote Originally Posted by David K View Post
    Sounds like something Marie Antoinette might have said if they had digital back then
    "Let them eat pixels."

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    It isnt the backs so much - really they all make great files..but I just love cameras and lenses - lenses more than cameras. Still kicking myself for not buying Marc's 200 kit when he had a moment of weakness and put it up for sale. Some consolation in picking up your RZ kit David
    Sinar are now tempting me - because of the Rollie body - fingers crossed - maybe they will allow a Phase back or a hasselblad back on one down the track! Sheesh maybe I better start collecting some Rollie lenses ( you know for just in case)

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    Re: Sinar Hy6 - 65 Camera Prices - Photokina Pre-Announcement

    here is another one from FNQ and the HC28..

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    Hi Natasa,

    Since you are strongly considering the HY6 and already own a Phase... Can you give me some notes on why you are buying a Hy6???


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