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    Hi. I am new to MF. I don't own any MF gear. Yet.

    My motivation for looking into moving to MF is the extended dynamic range available. So...I have been reading and learning a lot. To cut to the chase, I have been trying to find out what a Phase One P25+ for Mamiya/Phase One 645 might cost and I have not found much information other than they appear to be scarce/in high demand.

    Does anyone have suggestions on where I should be looking for price and availability?

    Thanks!

    Ted

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    Re: New to MF

    All three dealers are great to deal with and friends of GetDPI. Your in good hands with any one of them and suggest giving them a call Monday and check stock. The P25+ are getting scarce but the back alone would run in the 5800 to 7200 range. I loved mine when I shot it.
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    Ted look at the Mamiya 645DF / Leaf DM28. A lot more for your money.

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    Re: New to MF

    The market is complex and there are many reasons for everything. But as an oversimplification...

    The P25+ is not a current production back (it's no longer being manufactured). So the supply is limited to what's already out there.

    Demand/Production wise:
    Historically (e.g. when the P25+ was being made) the balance of H, V, C, and M mounts were fairly even.
    Recently (since Mamiya and Phase One started working together) the balance has skewed far towards M-mounts

    So there is a lot of demand (now) for P25+M units but a small number of P25+M units out there.

    I'd have to agree with Lee Love - the DM28 includes (normally) a DF body and a Schneider 80mm LS lens for $11k. It would be warrantied, come with dealer support (very helpful especially for first time MF buyers), and represents IMO a much better entry level option.

    The only exception would be if long exposures (>20ish seconds) were really important to your needs.

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    Re: New to MF

    Thank you Guy, Lee and Doug. I have taken your advice to heart. I am contacting the dealers as well as looking at the DM backs.

    Ted

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    Re: New to MF

    I shopped hard, and worked with a dealer, wound up with a P30+ rather than a P25+,

    For me, it was critical to have a solid idea of what I wanted, an then the dealer pointed me in the right direction.

    In hindsight, I was not thinking much about technical camera 2 years ago when I started my MF search, and the limits of the P30+ were not a big deal.

    Now, I'm getting ready to go on a landscape workshop and I may really have to loose all hope!

    Dave

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    Dear forum ....

    Just to be clear .... The decision that I make two years ago, in tandem with much good guidance from my authorized Phase on Dealer was the right one.

    It was impossible for me to shoulder the cost/depreciation of a new generation back without micro lenses, and full frame, just because I might want to use a technical camera at some vague point in the future.

    The P30+ is a great studio back for my style of fine art figure, and a pretty good location shooter relative to a Nikon DSLR, and that is well over 95% of my needs in the last two years.

    My interests may or may not be shifting, and even if they do, I have a feeling that the "plain" old P30+ on my antique AFD-II will still smoke a D3X or 1DMKIV in the landscape world.

    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjtphotography View Post
    Does anyone have suggestions on where I should be looking for price and availability?

    Thanks!

    Ted
    Find a dealer, work with them. I wouldn't overlook Capture Integration just because they post on the forum. They are real standup guys, answer questions are helpful, etc., and I haven't yet bought from them.

    There are other good ones out there too, depending on where you are.

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    I dealt with Capture Integration and they were great. They answered all my questions and got me my back very quickly. I went with the P40+ and I am dying to use is on the upcoming workshop.
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    Awesome
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

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    Re: New to MF

    All,

    Thanks for the information and recommendations.

    Ted

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