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    Mamiya 80mm 1.9

    Anyone shooting with this lens?
    I've seen some nice results ... and saw a good deal on a lens so I snapped it up.

    Post some shots if you have them handy...

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    Re: Mamiya 80mm 1.9

    It's a lovely lens, I use it all the time.




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    Re: Mamiya 80mm 1.9

    For those looking for precision in their optics ... this isn't the lens. But, like me, if you value a look that is a little more unpredictable, it can deliver some great results. It reminds me a lot of the original noctilux.

    Here are a few examples of the lens on the Leica S2 via adapter. They are all wide open ... where it is most fun to experiment on cameras with larger sensors.

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    WOW Kurt! Superb portraits All fantastic but if I had to choose, it would be a close call between the second and the last.
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    Re: Mamiya 80mm 1.9

    Have owned both the C and N version (using on SLR) and loved them with a modest pref to the older lower-contrast C version. On a MFDB it/they would really come into it's own.

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    Re: Mamiya 80mm 1.9

    Quote Originally Posted by KurtKamka View Post
    For those looking for precision in their optics ... this isn't the lens.
    I never cared for "edge to edge sharpness", but actually N version is deadly sharp. C one - is kinda soft-focusy indeed. At least for two copies that i have and use

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    Nice images Kurt. Lovely street photography.

    I've also seen the great results you get with the Hasselblad 110mm F2.
    I have one on the way.

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    Re: Mamiya 80mm 1.9

    I bought a 80/1.9N myself only recently for use with a P45+, and I have to say it's one terrific lens. At f1.9, it renders a lovely dreamy look, sharp outlines surrounded by aberrations; coupled with a M645-EOS adapter, it looks like this will become my new favorite portrait lens on a Canon DSLR. At f2.8, it's only very slightly less sharp than my 80/2.8AF @2.8, and stopped further down any differences disappear completely. I don't quite understand why Mamiya doesn't manufacture this lens anymore.

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    Re: Mamiya 80mm 1.9

    What are the differences between the 80/1.9 and the 80/1.9N?

    I might try one of these on my Canon DSLR......KEH has both versions in stock.

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    I have been looking for a 80 1.9N since I bought my P1 IQ140.
    Today, I ordred one from KEH, and hopefully it will be a good example.

    I am a little worried about how difficult it will be to focus wide open .-).

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    I've always wanted to possess the N version of this lens. Two days ago I made the mistake the lurke around at the forum and saw this thread. Honestly, I just wanted to check the current prices of this lens and now I've got one on the way... Kurt, that's all your fault! ;-)

    I hope it maintains a shallow dof even when the subject is a bit away. That look I normally only get wide open at minimum focus distance with the 80mm f 2,8.

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    I suppose this means all the GOOD copies of the 80 1.9N at KEH have been snatched up now! Guess I will just have to be patient. :-(

    I'm still left wondering what the differences are between the 1.9 and the 1.9N lens.

    Gary

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    Re: Mamiya 80mm 1.9

    Great portraits, Kurt. I've always wanted this lens, but never got around to buy it and a camera to mount it on. When that is said, I do find the bokeh somewhat busy. Any comments on that?

    Are there other Mamiya manual focus 645 lenses that are worth having, like a wide angle and a tele?

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    So far I've only got the 50mm f4 Shift, which is a great lens. At least with film but that doesn't count I guess. Can't tell you how it performs on a digital back but should be alright with the 9 micron pixel pitch backs afaik. What I'd love to know is, how does the Mamiya 50mm Shift work with backs which got microlenses such as the P30+?

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    Re: Mamiya 80mm 1.9

    Thanks Dan, Fred and Jorgen.

    Jorgen, it does produce some pretty strange bokeh at times. I certainly wish that the bokeh had a look that is a little more similar to something like a summilux. I personally think that the Hasselblad 110/2 bokeh is better controlled and ultimately more pleasing. But the alternatives are few and far between in the medium format world. And, for $300, it's hard to find a better lens bargain out there.

    I'd kill for a f1.4 - f1.8 standard lens with great bokeh in medium format that would focus down to .7m. It wouldn't even need to be autofocus ... just something small and easy to focus. The big and bright viewfinders in medium format are sufficient to work with shallow depth of field.

    My dream would be a Leica summilux for the S-system. Such an out of the box lens (similar to what the Noctilux does for the M-system) would gather quite a bit of PR and a few tire kickers to the system.

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    Re: Mamiya 80mm 1.9

    Don't buy this one off ebay.

    I just returned it. It has sever haze. Don't be fooled by the state of the barrel.

    I even took it to a repair shop. They were convinced the problem is degraded bonding between two elements. Can't be cleaned.

    this is the ebay item number:

    110815392710

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    "...The glass has dust and haze internally. Comes with rear cap." That says it all, doesn't it? It's a shame they don't sell it as as parts or for repair though, but instead try to fool you into buying it by only showing parts of the glass...

    Today I received my copy which I bought off ebay for about the same price and it is in excellent condition. I didn't expect to be that amazed. Only flaw is one tiny little dust particle on the inside but since I'm not stopping it down anyway I probably won't bother..

    PS: Sorry to hear that.
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    Re: Mamiya 80mm 1.9

    Symbolic acquisition: Bought a hood for the 80/1.9. Lens is next, then a camera. I'm considering the 645E since it's silly cheap, even in mint condition and I'm probably only going to use Ilford Pan F anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxKißler View Post
    "...The glass has dust and haze internally. Comes with rear cap." That says it all, doesn't it? It's a shame they don't sell it as as parts or for repair though, but instead try to fool you into buying it by only showing parts of the glass...

    Today I received my copy which I bought off ebay for about the same price and it is in excellent condition. I didn't expect to be that amazed. Only flaw is one tiny little dust particle on the inside but since I'm not stopping it down anyway I probably won't bother..

    PS: Sorry to hear that.
    When I bought it it was described as having "moderate" dust.
    However the invoice I received with the package stated severe dust.
    It did not have much dust at all, but very severe haze.

    I just wanted to make sure that no one looking at this discussion goes out and buys this ebay item without knowing the state of the lens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    I'm still left wondering what the differences are between the 1.9 and the 1.9N lens.
    The 1.9N, being the more recent version of the two, supposedly has a better coating and is less prone to flare. Both versions seem to share the optical design however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxKißler View Post
    What I'd love to know is, how does the Mamiya 50mm Shift work with backs which got microlenses such as the P30+?
    I don't see any problems with the 50 Shift on my P45+ in any shift position. No strange colors etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightfire View Post
    I don't see any problems with the 50 Shift on my P45+ in any shift position. No strange colors etc.
    I'm using a modified Mamiya 50mm PC lens with my Contax 645 / P30+ combo and it works surprisingly well up until 7-8mm of shift, at which point the corners start to darken, and by 12mm of shift, they go completely black. I assume this is due to the use of microlenses rather than a lack of image circle, but either way, I have been using this lens for 90+% of my photography lately and have grown to love its rendering, even though I've not previously been a fan of Mamiya glass. For my B&W work, I don't mind the vignetting (especially when I use it at night, where the vignetting becomes effectively invisible), but for daylight color work, there's some color shift noticeable after ~5-6mm of shift and you'll probably want to correct it.

    For the money, though, good samples of this lens (I understand there is some variability) represent a very good value on the used market. (As a data point, I paid just $500 for my Zoerk-modified lens early last year, which I believe is less than the cost of the Zoerk modification alone!)

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    I've never experienced had lenses before. Is this something that is permanent or can be cleaned off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Giles View Post
    I've never experienced had lenses before. Is this something that is permanent or can be cleaned off?
    If you're referring to haze, it depends on the underlying cause. Such as storage issues (microparticles - nicotine, dust, grease etc. - gradually settling on the lens over a long period of time); fungus, degradation of the cement bonding between internal elements etc.

    Such flaws often are dealbreakers, even if the glass could be fixed or cleaned. I've done this myself in some cases, and disassembling/cleaning/reassembling an entire lens isn't really my idea of an afternoon well spent. In contrast, a disassembly/CLA/realignment of a lens at the Zeiss factory recently set me back $250, so in many cases it will evidently be more economical to pass on a lens with issues and continue the search.

    A Mamiya 80/1.9 with internal dust and haze might actually produce some interesting results, which is why people are buying this lens in the first place. So I wouldn't rule it out right away - but of course, I wouldn't be willing to spend any serious money for such a sample either.

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    Re: Mamiya 80mm 1.9

    Easier to live in a third world country in this respect. I had fogging in my Zeiss CY 85/1.4 and feared it was a gonner, but sent it to the cleaner who charged the equivalent of $40 to disassemble, clean and put it together again. Works like a charm now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audii-Dudii View Post
    I'm using a modified Mamiya 50mm PC lens with my Contax 645 / P30+ combo and it works surprisingly well up until 7-8mm of shift, at which point the corners start to darken, and by 12mm of shift, they go completely black. I assume this is due to the use of microlenses rather than a lack of image circle, but either way, I have been using this lens for 90+% of my photography lately and have grown to love its rendering, even though I've not previously been a fan of Mamiya glass. For my B&W work, I don't mind the vignetting (especially when I use it at night, where the vignetting becomes effectively invisible), but for daylight color work, there's some color shift noticeable after ~5-6mm of shift and you'll probably want to correct it.

    For the money, though, good samples of this lens (I understand there is some variability) represent a very good value on the used market. (As a data point, I paid just $500 for my Zoerk-modified lens early last year, which I believe is less than the cost of the Zoerk modification alone!)

    Thanks, that's what I wanted to know. Does anyone have a lens hood for the 50mm shift, is there even one? Sometimes the flaring can get pretty annoying, especially when I simply forget to shade the lens with my hand. It's one of my favorites, though I often wish it would be a little wider. Sorry Fred, didn't mean to hijack your thread. I'll post some images taken with the 80mm 1.9 soon.

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    Re: Mamiya 80mm 1.9

    Quote Originally Posted by MaxKißler View Post
    Thanks, that's what I wanted to know. Does anyone have a lens hood for the 50mm shift, is there even one? Sometimes the flaring can get pretty annoying, especially when I simply forget to shade the lens with my hand. It's one of my favorites, though I often wish it would be a little wider.
    Not surprisingly, Mamiya make a compendium shade that works well for me and used ones can be found on eBay for not much money (compared to, say, the Contax compendium shade). As it happens, I have my camera here at work with me today, so I've posted a photo of it below ... can't recall the part number, though.

    You're correct about the potential for this lens to flare -- especially here in bright, sunny Arizona! -- but the shade can be extended quite far before it starts to vignette the image area (one of the few benefits of using a 1.3X sensor!) and as such, I rarely find flare to be a problem. I've posted a sample below that was shot directly into the sun (although it's hidden behind a palm tree) with ~6mm of shift (and no post-processing treatment for the vignetting); the other sample used ~10mm of shift and I did lighten the upper corners by maybe a stop. I didn't bother with shooting an LCC in either case (and in fact, I rarely bother to do so.)

    And I, too, wish this lens had a wider focal length ... 45mm would be nice and 40mm would be perfect for my P30+'s 1.3X sensor. Which is why I'm working on an adapter that will not only allow me to use Hasselblad V lenses on my Contax body and has ~10mm of shift movement built in ... stay tuned!

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    Re: Mamiya 80mm 1.9

    Got my 80mm 1.9 from KEH a few days ago and yesterday I used it for a quick shot. Full open.
    I think it will take some time before I get used to it and can get some good shots with it.

    Its hard to nail the focus.

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    Re: Mamiya 80mm 1.9

    Quote Originally Posted by Willow View Post
    Its hard to nail the focus.
    thats what AF confirmation is for And split focusing screen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Are there other Mamiya manual focus 645 lenses that are worth having, like a wide angle and a tele?
    Apart from the 80/1.9, there are two others that I cannot do without - that virtually trap me within the Mamiya 645 system as I cannot find their like in any other MF system! - the 24/4 ULD fisheye, and the the 200/2.8 APO. There are not enough superlatives to describe their performance at and close to wide open, which is where I mainly shoot.

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