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    it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Nikon only cost 1/10 price 36MP vs 37.5MP

    Even more fun, Leica R vs Leica S lens
    if use lens adapter to use Leica R lens on D800 vs Leica S2

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Very true
    I'm getting my popcorn ready
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    Still, the S2 sensor is quite a lot bigger, physically, so there's that "MF" look to images that the D800 will not be able to meet—but I think the Leica R lenses on this camera will produce very fine images, to be sure.

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    you guys must be joking right?
    Take a look at S2's raw files:

    LEICA Camera AG - S2 RAW

    and maybe some photos from its users:

    Church of the Good Sheperd

    or:

    Omo valley - ethiopia

    D800E can match that how?

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    Still, the S2 sensor is quite a lot bigger, physically, so there's that "MF" look to images that the D800 will not be able to meet—but I think the Leica R lenses on this camera will produce very fine images, to be sure.
    Well, yes and no. If u spent 20-30k on an S2 it will always be a lot better and a small camera like the D800 can never be close to MF.

    However, I'm once again pretty sure that on most printed images 90% of all viewers could not tell a difference between a 3000 and 20000 camera. Ouch

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    it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Nikon only cost 1/10 price 36MP vs 37.5MP

    Even more fun, Leica R vs Leica S lens
    if use lens adapter to use Leica R lens on D800 vs Leica S2
    I bet it would be hard to manually focus a Leica lens accurate enough on a D800 to take advantage of the high resolution.
    Allready on the S2, with a bigger viewfinder and an auto f-stop (which opens during focusing which the one of the R lens on the Nikon would not do) than the D800, the AF is more accurate than my eyes sometimes.

    Anyways I bet the difference in IQ will melt away a little bit further. Besides resolution I am very much wondering how much Nikon has improved color, specially skin color.
    In the end I can not believe that the IQ will really come close. But thats just my personal guess.

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    One again it depends. On a tripod with LV you can focus much better on any CMOS camera compared to a S2 or anyother camera without it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m21apsh View Post
    it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

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    as well as VS Pentax 645D, Phase One, Hasselblad...

    But I am afraid, it will not be enough to come realy close to MF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    One again it depends. On a tripod with LV you can focus much better on any CMOS camera compared to a S2 or anyother camera without it.
    Live view might have some advantages, I wouldnt call it MUCH better though. So far I havent run into problems to focus the S2 when using it on a tripod.

    I have-however -run into small focus inaccurancies when I was using a R100Macro-Elmarit with a Leitax adapter on my D700. What looked sharp in the viewfinder didnt look sharp in the final images when it was magnified. Of course I wouldnt mind to have life view in the S2

    If someone is shooting mainly tripod work of landscapes and static subjects its not an issue for sure. Personally I have allways prefered to shoot AF lenses on the Nikon, its even the main reason why I sometimes use and still keep the Nikon. I think personally I would rather see which of the newer Nikon lenses are up to the task than using Leica glass if I was going to get a D800.

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    Take a look at the samples on the official nikon page. Is it just me? I am a little underwhelmed regarding image quality at display ...

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Same here, not impressed. The 1DX high res stuff is up now too, that's impressive although, secretely I was expecting more lol.

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by henrylim80 View Post
    you guys must be joking right?
    Take a look at S2's raw files:

    LEICA Camera AG - S2 RAW

    and maybe some photos from its users:

    Church of the Good Sheperd

    or:

    Omo valley - ethiopia

    D800E can match that how?
    +1

    It remains amazing, interesting and frustrating that so many seem to believe that it is only about pixels or any sharp glass. Surely the camera industry and all media have long sold us on more pixels, but come on guys!

    There is more than pixels. The S2 is well spoken of for its high preciseness and sharp images, will Nikon be able to match that on a manufacturing line that spits NNN cameras out a day and with N minutes to adjust and calibrate the camera? Never mind that, surely... the sensors and all image path must have differing purposes and aims for design? The D800E is a handle all camera... bright light, low light, high ISO, and broadcast quality video even...

    Though I agree that in the end the image is what counts, these tools are different.


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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by m21apsh View Post
    it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Nikon only cost 1/10 price 36MP vs 37.5MP

    Even more fun, Leica R vs Leica S lens
    if use lens adapter to use Leica R lens on D800 vs Leica S2
    But it's the lenses . . . I take your point on the R lenses, but with an OVF the focusing is a real pain (not to mention stop down metering).
    What'll be much more interesting in that context is using R lenses on the Sony A99 (or whatever the camera which uses this sensor). With focus peaking they should be rather splendid.

    in the final analysis though I'm sure the S2 images are going to be a step up (and no, I don't have one )

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    But it's the lenses . . .

    in the final analysis though I'm sure the S2 images are going to be a step up (and no, I don't have one )
    Yes. Though I have not even seen one of the lenses in real, what they seem capable of projecting is simply amazing!

    I also think they are way better than the R lenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    But it's the lenses . . . I take your point on the R lenses, but with an OVF the focusing is a real pain (not to mention stop down metering).
    What'll be much more interesting in that context is using R lenses on the Sony A99 (or whatever the camera which uses this sensor). With focus peaking they should be rather splendid.

    in the final analysis though I'm sure the S2 images are going to be a step up (and no, I don't have one )


    I agree a step up but at almost 10X the price it's making me reconsider the S2!

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    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    I bet it would be hard to manually focus a Leica lens accurate enough on a D800 to take advantage of the high resolution
    Actually with tripod and LiveView you can focus those camera pretty darn well with MF lenses

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Spinnler View Post
    Take a look at the samples on the official nikon page. Is it just me? I am a little underwhelmed regarding image quality at display ...

    Well from experience with D700 i must say - i wouldnt judge new box by that. D700 examples were beyound terrible and actual live testing i done ( after much doubting that i will ever want touch this camera) did bear quite different results. Not super-uber amazing, but they were much more to me liking.

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Yes. Though I have not even seen one of the lenses in real, what they seem capable of projecting is simply amazing!

    I also think they are way better than the R lenses.
    Yes - I also think that they are way better . . . . . what might be more interesting to compare is a 36mp M camera

    Maybe one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Spinnler View Post
    Take a look at the samples on the official nikon page. Is it just me? I am a little underwhelmed regarding image quality at display ...
    It's not just you. I just downloaded all the D800 sample images from the Nikon website. Based on what I see here, these don't look anything like what I get with my S2. They have the look of a D300 with a lot more pixels. Missing is the per-pixel sharpness, microcontrast and texture. In fact, nothing in these images is actually sharp. I'll reserve final judgement until a controlled test can be done and we're not just looking at JPGs from CaptureNX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Spinnler View Post
    Take a look at the samples on the official nikon page. Is it just me? I am a little underwhelmed regarding image quality at display ...
    I'm afraid this is par for the course.

    For some reason only known to themselves camera manufacturers often release poor sample images.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SergeiR View Post
    Actually with tripod and LiveView you can focus those camera pretty darn well with MF lenses
    If this is the way you mostly shoot-yes.
    I shoot a lot without tripod, so it doesnt help me much.

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by dfarkas View Post
    It's not just you. I just downloaded all the D800 sample images from the Nikon website. Based on what I see here, these don't look anything like what I get with my S2. They have the look of a D300 with a lot more pixels. Missing is the per-pixel sharpness, microcontrast and texture. In fact, nothing in these images is actually sharp. I'll reserve final judgement until a controlled test can be done and we're not just looking at JPGs from CaptureNX.

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    Were these from the 800, or the 800e, because I'd think that's really relevant.
    Mind you, all the publicity shots seem to show the camera with the 24-120 f4 - excellent for a zoom perhaps, but unlikely to be up making the most of a 36mp sensor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by coz View Post
    I agree a step up but at almost 10X the price it's making me reconsider the S2!
    If you look at the high quality Nikon lenses-they are not cheap either.
    10x is much overrated, however I admit 4x is still a veeery big difference.

    But do you think the IQ difference between the D800 and the Nex7 is worth to spend double the price of a Nex7...which by the way would make much more sense if you like to use life-view for focusing and using third party lenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kit laughlin View Post
    Still, the S2 sensor is quite a lot bigger, physically, so there's that "MF" look to images that the D800 will not be able to meet—but I think the Leica R lenses on this camera will produce very fine images, to be sure.
    1.25X linear size difference. That's visible, but not dramatic.

    The S2 will have about 1/2 stop advantage in terms of DoF for the same aperture and AoV, but the compared to SLR f/1.4 lenses, you're still going to be able to go shallower with the smaller camera.

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    I agree. I still want the S2!

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Having been set that Reichmann challenge of distiguishing between A3+ sized prints from a Phase One P65 back and a Canon G10 and got many completely wrong (like everyone else who has taken the test) I'd wager that the same may well apply for an S2 / D800 comparison.

    I've printed out some shots at A2 or so size that were taken with the NEX-7 and they look good emough to me at normal (close) viewing distances to have been taken with a 4x5 film camera (save better DOF for the NEX). I kid you not. That squares with the Michael Reichmann challenge. I use the NEX-7 a lot more than my Hassy H4D. Yes, the Hassy is better in absolute terms, but I don't have the Hassy on me all the time and the differences are primarily in how the two cameras are used. The main reason to get an S2 over a D800 are unlikely therefore to be resolution or sharpness, but handling, lens choice, and pride of ownership. I'd like one, but I have no need for one!
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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Well I for one think the 800E is a bargain!

    Yes the (jpeg) examples on Nikon's website are a little underwhelming and don't match up to the hype but come on guys they are pretty amazing considering the price the camera will sell for. I think MF is safe for the moment if you're just after ultimate IQ regardless of price but credit where credit's due it's pretty amazing from a 35mm chip.

    A perfect compliment to any MF shooters case.

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    If you look at the high quality Nikon lenses-they are not cheap either.
    10x is much overrated, however I admit 4x is still a veeery big difference.
    Yes - from my experience I don't think they're in the same league as the S lenses (in performance or price).

    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    But do you think the IQ difference between the D800 and the Nex7 is worth to spend double the price of a Nex7...which by the way would make much more sense if you like to use life-view for focusing and using third party lenses.
    Well, that's where I'm coming from as well - but then I don't use the NEX7 for my 'main' detailed work, nor would I the D800 - if I didn't already have an M9, an A900 and a pile of Zeiss glass , and you didn't already have an S2, then maybe the D800e would be unmissable!

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    I've ordered an 800e this morning, having vowed after my D7000 foray (not a decent lens in sight for the DX format) that I wouldn't ever do Nikon again. If I like it, I am going to consolidate a lot of other gear - finally sell my IQ180 kit, also my M9, Canon 5DII and all my MFT and end up with just the nikon and an NEX7 for using my Leica glass on.

    I might not end up with the very very finest results ever, but 99% of the time it won't matter and I will only be running two systems which, between them, should cover all my bases.

    But like I said, only IF I like the 800e. If not, I will knock it out pronto!

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    I have no doubts the D800 will be a great camera and a step forward in many regards and it will deliver great IQ.

    I just think it does not make much sense to discuss how much IQ is worth how much money. Plus we all know that the last little bit of quality increase often means quite an increase in cost/price.

    Last not least I believe user interface (which is very much personal thing) is much underrated in many comparisons.

    But I will for sure follow the results and experience with the D800, and if it gets close to MF IQ and if it works as good as the D700 and if the lenses are up to the resolution and if the D800-color will be to my taste - then.... I would still first shoot both cameras side by side for some months to see what works better for me..
    Tashley-if 40MP is good for you why didnt you buy a IQ140 instead of the IQ180?

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    I think we're going to have to wait for some raw files shot with decent glass (not zooms) to get a better idea. To be honest I find the Leaf RAW files on their website to be rather underwhelming if only because the focus almost never seems to be on the models eyes. These kinds of samples rarely impress. They could do with a bunch of D800E fashion samples shot with great glass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    I think we're going to have to wait for some raw files shot with decent glass (not zooms) to get a better idea.
    But what decent glass? It seems to me they are few and far between.

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    this is getting interesting....
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    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    Tashley-if 40MP is good for you why didnt you buy a IQ140 instead of the IQ180?
    Good question! I was on the upgrade path from a 65+ and I wanted the new touch screen, the USB and the live view and focus mask... And I still thought it would all improve my work! I also didn't realise it would compromise my 35XL so badly :-(

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    But what decent glass? It seems to me they are few and far between.


    Great question I'm not sure what the answer is. I used to have some Zeiss lenses on my old 5D2 that I liked better than Canon primes maybe the Nikon equivalent?

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    I will wait until Olympus introduces a m4/3 36MP sensor which will blow the Nikon out of the water!

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    How about a frankenstein system consisting of the D800E with only legendary 35mm optics:

    Please edit this list!

    1. Zeiss 21 2.8 on the low-end-side - 2k USD

    2. Coastal Optics 60mm Macro as a standard lens - 4.5k USD

    3. Leica R 90mm Apo Sumicron ASPH 4k USD or

    4. Zeiss 100 2.0 Macro - 2k USD

    5. Leica R 180mm Summicron 6k USD

    I'm not sure what the best 50mm lens is or what the best 35mm would be ... haha so the whole system costs as much as a MFD system with the Nikon being just one cheap piece of the equation ...

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Most of those samples are from zooms, let's see the D800E with primes like the new 24mm, 35mm and 85 1.4 first, perhaps add zeiss lenses to that, then form an opinion. Pics taken handheld with a 24-70 or 70-200 at slow shutter speeds (portrait shots) are not going to be able to show exactly what this camera can do!
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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Paul, I thought in your other thread you were boasting about the 'superior' AF of the d800, but you only have manual focus lenses in your list that are going to need stop down metering--and it will have to probably be simple center weighted. That does not sound like a good deal compared to a MFD that has multi-segment metering with AF. But if that is where you want to save money...

    Actually, my four lens MFD system cost much less than what is on your list--nearly half price

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    Paul, I thought in your other thread you were boasting about the 'superior' AF of the d800, but you only have manual focus lenses in your list that are going to need stop down metering--and it will have to probably be simple center weighted. That does not sound like a good deal compared to a MFD that has multi-segment metering with AF. But if that is where you want to save money...

    Actually, my four lens MFD system cost much less than what is on your list--nearly half price
    I'm not siding with the D800 but only quoting the new camera's features and asking if the announcement makes some people reconsider their investments in gear.

    The AF is superior: having 61 AF points and face recognition instead of one or three AF points in the center is quite neat. But if you take a close look at the samples posted on the Nikon site you will see that most images even though shot at ISO 100 and apertures of say f8 clearly show the deficiencies of the optical system. My guess is that in order to fully exploit the D800s 36 MPX one will have to buy exotic, special, expensive glass as the examples posted above. The irony is, that even in the world of 35mm the best optics don't come around cheap.

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    Yeah, I looked at Nikon D800 and D800N samples and I am not overwhelmed. What makes me wonder is how this sensor would perform on, lets say, M style body? Speculations, speculations... I would love to see an updated Epson RD-2 with such a sensor (assuming micro lenses could compensate for wide angle lenses)...

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

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    My guess is that in order to fully exploit the D800s 36 MPX one will have to buy exotic, special, expensive glass as the examples posted above. The irony is, that even in the world of 35mm the best optics don't come around cheap.
    . . . . and if that's the case, you'd better wait for the Sony equivalent with focus peaking - thus making such lenses a breeze to use.

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

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    Having been set that Reichmann challenge of distiguishing between A3+ sized prints from a Phase One P65 back and a Canon G10 and got many completely wrong (like everyone else who has taken the test) I'd wager that the same may well apply for an S2 / D800 comparison.

    I've printed out some shots at A2 or so size that were taken with the NEX-7 and they look good enough to me at normal (close) viewing distances to have been taken with a 4x5 film camera (save better DOF for the NEX). I kid you not. That squares with the Michael Reichmann challenge. I use the NEX-7 a lot more than my Hassy H4D. Yes, the Hassy is better in absolute terms, but I don't have the Hassy on me all the time and the differences are primarily in how the two cameras are used. The main reason to get an S2 over a D800 are unlikely therefore to be resolution or sharpness, but handling, lens choice, and pride of ownership. I'd like one, but I have no need for one!

    I agree with you. I'll certainly buy the NEX 7 (I've the 5 which is still pretty good) or the new Fuji pro, as I need as small versatile camera. My H4d50 is too heavy and can't be used everywhere

    I'll probably buy the Nikon 800E for the same reason if I'm not convinced by the Sony/Fuji viewfinders. A very versatile camera with really high iso capabilities !

    And when, I want to take "great pictures", I use my Hassy, because large sensor, perfect lenses, great viewfinder won't be challenged by the Nikon

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    I have pretty good experience with some Nikon lenses (14-24/ 24/1.4/105/2.0DC/70-200/VRII I would also expect the 85/1.4G to be a nice lens - so maybe it wont be as "bad" on the D800 as some here expect.

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    I am endlessly fascinated by people making these kind of comparison statements, and then, when "blinded" as to the origin, not being able to tell the difference and then having some "explanation," golden ears, golden eyes. It happened with stereo gear (tubes vs transistors) and with wine (two buck chuck beating wines that cost 10 times the price). The idea of a 36MP DSLR at a $3k price point is nothing less than revolutionary! What will the MFDB world do? There will always be those who can and will spend exorbitant amounts for a marginal improvement, perhaps high earning professionals can and will do that. For those of us who are relatively well off amateurs, this is groundbreaking. Could I afford a MFDB? I probably could but would be terrified of dropping it or having it stolen. Not that $3k is trivial, but it's less than $40k. I'm pretty excited about the D800E.

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

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    I am endlessly fascinated by people making these kind of comparison statements, and then, when "blinded" as to the origin, not being able to tell the difference and then having some "explanation," golden ears, golden eyes. It happened with stereo gear (tubes vs transistors) and with wine (two buck chuck beating wines that cost 10 times the price). The idea of a 36MP DSLR at a $3k price point is nothing less than revolutionary! What will the MFDB world do? There will always be those who can and will spend exorbitant amounts for a marginal improvement, perhaps high earning professionals can and will do that. For those of us who are relatively well off amateurs, this is groundbreaking. Could I afford a MFDB? I probably could but would be terrified of dropping it or having it stolen. Not that $3k is trivial, but it's less than $40k. I'm pretty excited about the D800E.
    I think we are all excited by the D800. It will be a fine camera. I just don't understand the diatribe against those that find a different solution they prefer. I am sorry, but sensor/format size matters. And it is real. I chose my equipment for me in no regard to anyone else. I feel what others use is their business. You should have more confidence in your photography and stop worrying what others think about your gear.
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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Hi guys, interesting comments, all true in their own right. I very much enjoy this kind of threads and find them thought provoking and fun to read.

    I wonder, if the price difference were a lot smaller, say $5000 for the S2. Who, looking for high IQ, would seriously consider the Nikon? (it's all about the bleeping money)

    Okay, more fps, higher ISO, focus points, etc. the D800 wins, but for these features there are better camera's like the D3s, D4 (coming up) and the new Canon. Seems to me the D800 is a really nice camera, but accept for MP count on FF, a little bit of an average Jack-of-all-trades. Not really exceptionally high ISO, buffer, etc. A nice, relatively cheap and interesting camera, but for me not special enough. Right now perhaps it looks like a FF high MP bargain, but after Photokina, who knows ...

    50-60 MP S3 with NEX 5n (or better) sensor anyone?

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    This is another thread about cost benefit analysis - a discussion about relative value and marginal utility curves - a discussion conducted through the fog of personal indifference curves.

    So all these modern cameras can make nice prints of pretty much any snap you care to make.

    Which camera system do you want to use to make your snaps?

    My preference is always for the camera that looks the sexiest and feels the best in my hands. In fact I wont be seen anywhere with an ugly camera. I am a beauty snob as far as gear goes. I refuse to be seen with an ugly camera. Thats why I ditched my H series gear - at the end of the day it was butt ugly stuff.

    Now in my analysis of the Nikon versus the S2 I ask myself which one looks sexier?


    A no brainer really - wouldn't you agree?
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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

    Shashin,
    I certainly meant no disrespect to those who make comparisons with an open mind and who are willing to take themselves not too seriously. I do like to tweak those who feel they are superior, because of their photo equipment and who deign to disparage the work of those who work with "lesser" gear. I am not implying you are one of those. It's just that these highly technical discussions often seem to ignore what photography is really about, images, be they technically superb or not. All things being equal, I'd certainly love to have a Leica S2.

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    Re: it will be super interesting to see Nikon D800 VS Leica S2

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    Shashin,
    I certainly meant no disrespect to those who make comparisons with an open mind and who are willing to take themselves not too seriously. I do like to tweak those who feel they are superior, because of their photo equipment and who deign to disparage the work of those who work with "lesser" gear. I am not implying you are one of those. It's just that these highly technical discussions often seem to ignore what photography is really about, images, be they technically superb or not. All things being equal, I'd certainly love to have a Leica S2.
    There has always been snobs in the world, but the world would have a little less color without them. I also think we think of "quality" as some sort of absolute scale. I just enjoy photography. The Holga has great image quality and I enjoy good work from it. Same as pinhole photography or Ambrotypes. None are defined by resolving power, but that is also what makes them distinctive, but only in the right hands.

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