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Well, Bob - I seem to remember someone proving conclusively that nothing more than 6mp was relevant in a 35mm sensor because of the 'laws of physics'Within the limitations of the laws of physics of course. Those pesky things keep getting in the way.
-bob
Yup, my bad for misreading your post. I agree totally with you. It begs a lot of other questions about how you might want an image to render, what techniques you might use to impersonate one format with another, and what size sensor/film suits a particular photographer and job. I've always wanted to play with one of those huge Polaroid backs or, even better, get a sheet of 60x40 inside a room-sized camera obscura but I'm running four systems already!Actually my statement is based on a simple fact. Lenses of larger formats have a look that cannot be matched in smaller formats. Perspective, depth, falloff and dimentional image rendering.
IF you put a 45x60mm sensor behind a 4x5 lens you are only capturing a fraction of the image.
Then there's the whole black and white thing to consider.
While digital improves capture on small formats it still cannot "look at" what large format lenses project.
whilst I think that's true I also think that they need to look at closing the gap in the areas they lag. I don't want an IQ100 but I do want a DF body replacement with a civilised shutter, better AF, fewer glitches and lock-ups etc... And I'd also like proper live view for focussing on tech cams. I'm not alone, I know. There are also things that MFDB can do that SLR style cams generally can't (like movements on the back only, for flat stitches) and those are the core USPs and aren't dependant on no one playing sensor catchup.if I were Phase, Hasselblad, etc., I might not be exactly nervous, but I'd definitely be working hard at ensuring that I kept that 4 year gap open. I'd also be working really hard to matching the features of 135 like ease of use and convenience as much as possible to make it as easy as possible for the high-end 135 models to act as a "gateway drug" for MF, rather than the other way around. In the long term, inexpensive beats sophisticated nearly every time.
Where are these 'indifferent' photos Jono? I sure ain't seen 'em!Personally, I've long since got past the point where any of my good photographs are damaged by the quality of my equipment - and my indifferent photos can't possibly be rescued from their mediocrity either by better colour depth or more resolution.
They said that about flying also. To quote an ancient, long gone relative of mine, much less than 100 years ago: "I wouldn't be surprised if people in the future will be buying readymade meatloaf." :shocked:Within the limitations of the laws of physics of course. Those pesky things keep getting in the way.
-bob
Hah! you are too kind . . . Mediocrity is my Speciality!Where are these 'indifferent' photos Jono? I sure ain't seen 'em!
Statistically insignificant. This amounts to an on-line focus group, and if you've ever observed focus groups, you'd know that what people say and what they do are two totally different matters.I think this thread has increased Nikon's sales for the D800 significantly, just based on the responses from most MFD users. A very impromptu method of gauging market share. Whilst most are not going to replace MFD with this camera, nor should they. I do believe it might be the S2 that it might be ultimately compared with. Yes, Leica is safe, it's a great camera, but as some here have pointed out, the uninitiated are most certainly going to give this camera a second look just based on investment. The form factor of the two are similar, and so is the MP, so this is a perfectly proper area to have this discussion. After three pages of responses perhaps it might be a little after the fact to move it now.
And we haven't even started to discuss tripods. Tripods are cool.Seriously folks you are missing a key point.
For those of us who do not have a regular exercise routine, shooting MF is the closest we get.
How can some lightweight D800 compare to a DF, a 75-150 and an IQ180? I might have to cut my gin consumption if I give that up.
NEVER I say! (well maybe never)
-bob
Maybe 'cuz I'm getting old, maybe 'cuz of the BS program last month by a Canon Explorer of Light, I'm no longer impressed by celebrity endorsements. I've learned to trust my own eyes.Well... I started the thread because I read about a clearly competent professional photographer who has used the D800 and and is mighty impressed by it and has made his own judgement about it in relation to MF.
Hee Hee - my weapon of choice is the 5561SGT with cube. Combine that with the DF/IQ160/75-150, 28D, 35D, 55LS & 300 APO kit I wear on a belt along with grads and you'll get quite the workout. Mine's surgeon recommended so I'm ok with that!And we haven't even started to discuss tripods. Tripods are cool.
Btw Bob, you should try 2xD3s, 14-24, 24-70, 70-200VR & 200-400VR in a kuboto bag and trying valiantly to convince the Lufthansa gate agent that the bag is light and only weighs 20lb. That was a groaner that even a couple of D800s wouldn't have changed!How can some lightweight D800 compare to a DF, a 75-150 and an IQ180? I might have to cut my gin consumption if I give that up.
NEVER I say! (well maybe never)
-bob
Marc,Statistically insignificant. This amounts to an on-line focus group, and if you've ever observed focus groups, you'd know that what people say and what they do are two totally different matters.
Without a research moderator to control the interactive dynamics, it's even less than statistically insignificant.
That's the real potential impact of high-res 35mm cameras.......snip......
When do we as a business say I can get near that quality with a Nikon/Canon and is more economical to invest my money there?
The niche for MFD may have just got a bit smaller and that is bad news IMO!