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    Mounting Old 4x5 Lens For Alpa STC

    Hi All,
    I have a 4x5 360/500/720 lens on a Linhoff lens board. Is there anyway to get it to work on my Alpa STC?
    Thanks for any suggestions,
    Bob

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    Re: Mounting Old 4x5 Lens For Alpa STC

    They would need a huge extension, have you seen the SK Apo-Tele-Xenar 250mm, the longest Alpa currently offers? It's pretty big, not sure the mount could handle such long lenses.

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    Re: Mounting Old 4x5 Lens For Alpa STC

    Are you talking about the Nikkor T 360/500/720 convertible set?

    I think the longest lens Alpa currently offers is the 250 Apo-Tele-Xenar...

    ALPA of Switzerland - Manufacturers of remarkable cameras - Schneider Apo-Tele-Xenar 5.6/250 mm *SB*

    ...which is already pretty unwieldy - look at that tube. The 360 Nikkor T has a flange-to-film spec of 261mm which will require a longer tube than that, while the 500 and 720 will need quite a bit longer still.

    The other question is what your intended application is, and whether these LF tele designs will be up to the task. I don't doubt that there's someone who can physically mount the lens to the camera for you - if Alpa won't, SK Grimes probably can. But whether it will be worth the trouble isn't obvious.

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    Re: Mounting Old 4x5 Lens For Alpa STC

    Yes, seeing the size of the 250 is daunting. And you're correct, it is the convertible set you mentioned.

    I was thinking of either using extension tubes in conjunction with a bellows for the varying focal lengths. The application would be to extend the range of telephotos available from Alpa and have greater flexibility.
    But perhaps the best thing to do is to use my Technikardin with my MFDB and current crop of LF lenses that fit the Technikardin. It's just a bit heavy...

    Not sure if Alpa will come out with a bellows, but it might be a pretty useful tool in their set...
    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oren Grad View Post
    Are you talking about the Nikkor T 360/500/720 convertible set?

    I think the longest lens Alpa currently offers is the 250 Apo-Tele-Xenar...

    ALPA of Switzerland - Manufacturers of remarkable cameras - Schneider Apo-Tele-Xenar 5.6/250 mm *SB*

    ...which is already pretty unwieldy - look at that tube. The 360 Nikkor T has a flange-to-film spec of 261mm which will require a longer tube than that, while the 500 and 720 will need quite a bit longer still.

    The other question is what your intended application is, and whether these LF tele designs will be up to the task. I don't doubt that there's someone who can physically mount the lens to the camera for you - if Alpa won't, SK Grimes probably can. But whether it will be worth the trouble isn't obvious.

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    Re: Mounting Old 4x5 Lens For Alpa STC

    Quote Originally Posted by rga View Post

    Not sure if Alpa will come out with a bellows, but it might be a pretty useful tool in their set...
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    I think that is the purpose of their extension tubes.
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    Re: Mounting Old 4x5 Lens For Alpa STC

    I believe this lens is not a helical mount, so to focus you would need to be able to adjust the lens to focal plane distance. A bellows, as in a 4x5 system, would be best. The macro adapters would certainly get you most of the way...

    Quote Originally Posted by darr View Post
    I think that is the purpose of their extension tubes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rga View Post
    I believe this lens is not a helical mount, so to focus you would need to be able to adjust the lens to focal plane distance. A bellows, as in a 4x5 system, would be best. The macro adapters would certainly get you most of the way...
    Yes, but you would need to move the object to or fro of the camera (or the camera to or fro of the object) in precise increments. From the camera side, you could use something like this:



    This is why they make view cameras like the Arca Swiss M Line 2:



    To the OP:
    I own a beautiful Alpa Max and the beautiful M Line 2. IMO, what you are attempting to do would not be the optimal for the camera setup you have. Get a view camera like the M2 and use the STC for landscape/candid stuff.


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    Re: Mounting Old 4x5 Lens For Alpa STC

    Thanks Darr. These lenses are from a 4x5 that I still have. Wonderful Linhof Technikarden S. It would just be nice to have one kit.

    Guess it would be nice if Alpa, someday, would come out with a bellows and universal mount for other lenses. Just for fun...

    Thanks; RRS makes wonderful gear. I have a Novoflex which is also very nice.
    Best,
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    Re: Mounting Old 4x5 Lens For Alpa STC

    Quote Originally Posted by rga View Post
    Thanks Darr. These lenses are from a 4x5 that I still have. Wonderful Linhof Technikarden S. It would just be nice to have one kit.

    Guess it would be nice if Alpa, someday, would come out with a bellows and universal mount for other lenses. Just for fun...

    Thanks; RRS makes wonderful gear. I have a Novoflex which is also very nice.
    Best,
    Bob
    Bob,
    The Arca Swiss Rm3di can be the "one kit" camera if you spend the money.

    https://www.badgergraphic.com/store/..._detail&p=3167

    You can use the rail and bellows system with it as well as have helical mount lenses. If the Rm3di was available before I bought the Alpa, I would have went with the Arca instead since I have been heavily invested in AS cameras for years.
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    Re: Mounting Old 4x5 Lens For Alpa STC

    That is way cool Grzegorz and expensive looking! How did you get the bellows to attatch to the body?
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    Re: Mounting Old 4x5 Lens For Alpa STC

    two bellows from fuji gx680
    not expensive if you have some elements
    I use rails from sunwayfoto and hejnar (base helicoid)
    front standard - sinar
    rear - ALPA STC ))

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    Re: Mounting Old 4x5 Lens For Alpa STC

    Thanks for the link Darr. Like you, I'm pretty heavily invested in Alpa, so the RM isn't an option at this point.
    Thanks again,
    Bob

    Quote Originally Posted by darr View Post
    Bob,
    The Arca Swiss Rm3di can be the "one kit" camera if you spend the money.

    https://www.badgergraphic.com/store/..._detail&p=3167

    You can use the rail and bellows system with it as well as have helical mount lenses. If the Rm3di was available before I bought the Alpa, I would have went with the Arca instead since I have been heavily invested in AS cameras for years.
    Best,
    Darr

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    Re: Mounting Old 4x5 Lens For Alpa STC

    Quote Originally Posted by darr View Post
    That is way cool Grzegorz and expensive looking! How did you get the bellows to attatch to the body?
    I would think that an Alpa front cover plate drilled out and glued to the bellows would be all you need.

    That's one cool Alpa STC view camera!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I would think that an Alpa front cover plate drilled out and glued to the bellows would be all you need.

    That's one cool Alpa STC view camera!
    You are probably right Graham. I wonder why Alpa doesn't offer a kit where we can transform our bodies into a view camera. Hopefully Therry will chime in at some point.
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    Re: Mounting Old 4x5 Lens For Alpa STC

    well, I suppose that the market would be pretty small, particularly since it would only work with longer lenses anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    well, I suppose that the market would be pretty small, particularly since it would only work with longer lenses anyway.
    I agree, but how about how the 120 macro looks on the camera? I use the 120 on an Arca M2, but it sure would be nice to have helical focus combined with rack and pinion with that lens while shooting tethered. One camera for all applications = peace of mind? Who knows.
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    Re: Mounting Old 4x5 Lens For Alpa STC

    Quote Originally Posted by darr View Post
    That is way cool Grzegorz and expensive looking! How did you get the bellows to attatch to the body?
    I made my own mount, used a bellows element.

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    Re: Mounting Old 4x5 Lens For Alpa STC

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I would think that an Alpa front cover plate drilled out and glued to the bellows would be all you need.

    That's one cool Alpa STC view camera!
    thanks

    tomorrow or the day after tomorrow I will show more details

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    Re: Mounting Old 4x5 Lens For Alpa STC

    Here my chiming, Darr.

    I can understand the wish and need for some of such a camera or accessory allowing to transform an Alpa "tech" camera into a view camera.

    Alpa is currently working on many projects and new products and accessories. Some of them will be announced and released (available and functioning) very soon and the following weeks, some will be released at the coming Photokina exhibition in September. Such projects and developments take a lot of energy and time in terms of R&D and administrative work.

    As soon as there is a little more time available we will certainly look into the interest and feasibility of such a camera, accessory or kit. If it will then be followed by a new (view) camera is still written in the stars and not certain, but a check is certainly worth it.

    Best regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by darr View Post
    I wonder why Alpa doesn't offer a kit where we can transform our bodies into a view camera. Hopefully Therry will chime in at some point.
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    Re: Mounting Old 4x5 Lens For Alpa STC

    Quote Originally Posted by TH_Alpa View Post
    Here my chiming, Darr.

    I can understand the wish and need for some of such a camera or accessory allowing to transform an Alpa "tech" camera into a view camera.

    Alpa is currently working on many projects and new products and accessories. Some of them will be announced and released (available and functioning) very soon and the following weeks, some will be released at the coming Photokina exhibition in September. Such projects and developments take a lot of energy and time in terms of R&D and administrative work.

    As soon as there is a little more time available we will certainly look into the interest and feasibility of such a camera, accessory or kit. If it will then be followed by a new (view) camera is still written in the stars and not certain, but a check is certainly worth it.

    Best regards
    Thierry

    Thanks Thierry!
    I will wait patiently.
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