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    32mm HR

    Well . . . with some assistance from Jeff Hirsh of Fotocare I traded my 35mm Schneider for the current 32mm Rodenstock. Gain: a 90mm image circle which means I can go very wide (28mm or so equivalent) stitching with my Alpa Max and it's the end of the "blue zone of death". Indeed it's almost (but not quite) possible to use it centered with the IQ 180 without an LCC. The only negative is that it adds a pound and a half to my carry around kit. It looks kind of fragile in pictures but in real life it's quite robust. The focus mount is beautifully weighted.

    The results are sensational.

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    Re: 32mm HR

    Some stitches, I won't bother you with corner crops - the entire image circle is usable, right up to the point where things suddenly get dark. I managed to talk myself out of a center filter - it's not needed centered - but it really is necessary with extreme shifts so I'm planning on getting one. The stitching on the pano s a little rough - it would have come out better with a center filter (or if I spent a bit more time on it).




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    Re: 32mm HR

    Still hand holdable with my TC. You can forget about the clarity slider and I've been applying no sharpening.



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    Re: 32mm HR

    Looking good Woody A question, did you use an LCC with these? Maybe is just me, but I seem to notice definite magenta & green casts around the images... just wondering.
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    Re: 32mm HR

    Quote Originally Posted by vieri View Post
    Looking good Woody A question, did you use an LCC with these? Maybe is just me, but I seem to notice definite magenta & green casts around the images... just wondering.
    I did. I noticed the same thing. One possible explanation: the lccs are quite sensitive to f-stop. I made two for my walking around images - one at f4 and one at f8. In actual fact I fine tuned exposure from f8 by 1/3 or 2/3 stop depending on the light so that could be the issue. I'll have some time over the weekend to take a more disciplined look at this.
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    Re: 32mm HR

    Makes sense - what f-stop did you shoot these at?
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    Re: 32mm HR

    It's a lovely lens . I tested it on the 160 and it was really really nice . Big, heavy and expensive. But you get your money's worth.
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    Re: 32mm HR

    Quote Originally Posted by vieri View Post
    Makes sense - what f-stop did you shoot these at?
    Somewhere between f8 minus 2/3 stop and f8 plus 2/3 stop. As I said I need to take a more disciplined look at this . . . . The answer may be a lcc shot for every setup.

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    Re: 32mm HR

    I traded my 28XL Schneider for this lens and I am much happier as well. I am amazed by Guy's fantastic recent results with his 28 XL. There seems to be a huge difference between the IQ180 when it comes to color cast compared to the IQ160.
    Nevertheless the 32HR is nothing short of great

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    Re: 32mm HR

    Yea for the 180 the 32 HR is the answer and the Rodie 23. The 160 has the elbow room for the SK 28.
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    Re: 32mm HR

    +1...I also sold sk35 for this lens

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    Re: 32mm HR

    Just a technical note - the image circle for both lenses (SK 35mm and HR 32mm) is the same, however the Rodenstock allows more effective utilization of the circle (especially with an IQ180).


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    Re: 32mm HR

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Yea for the 180 the 32 HR is the answer and the Rodie 23. The 160 has the elbow room for the SK 28.
    Any reason you didn't quote the 28mm Rodie you just tested ? I'm looking at it seriously for my IQ180 if I can sell my 35mm SK for a reasonable price. if not, and regarding the amazing sharpness of it when not shifted too much, I'll keep it and turn my eyes towards the 23mm Rodie. Not easy...

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    Re: 32mm HR

    No I spaced it out, my bad yes the 28 Rodie on the 180 as well. So 23,28,32 in Rodie flavor for the 180. The 28mm should work very nicely on the 180, I would consider the CF for it and know that your movements will be limited to about 7mm and for a lot of shooters that is quite a lot from a extreme wide angle. Its very very sharp too.

    Note though I have not shot the Rodie 28mm on a 180 but I have the 23 and 32mm.

    I think what you will find as far as movements on the 180

    23=3mm
    28=7mm
    32=12mm
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    Re: 32mm HR

    Thanks Guy.
    I'm sure the 32mm Rodie is a terrific lens but personally find the very wide angle more and more appealing. Sometimes a 23mm can help to get rid of perturbing elements in the frame f.i. when shooting buildings. The closest we are from it the less annoying is the presence of parked cars, trees, public lightning, traffic lights, ads, etc. Could look like a strange argument but I think a 32 or 35mm focal brings more challenging framing in dense environments.

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    Re: 32mm HR

    On an ipad, this is insanely gorgeous. I am deeply allergic to treading in other people's footsteps for a shot, but I would copy this in a flash!

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    Re: 32mm HR

    12mm looks like about what I'm getting in terms of shift. Here's 10mm, with the center filter (which I picked up today). 5 frames focus stacked, which is kind of a pain. I've got it on good authority that we can expect a body with shifts and tilts from Alpa sometime this year.

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    Re: 32mm HR

    Quote Originally Posted by tashley View Post
    On an ipad, this is insanely gorgeous. I am deeply allergic to treading in other people's footsteps for a shot, but I would copy this in a flash!
    The long DR that you get out the IQ 180 gives you a nice ability to fuss with shadows a bit to make them more transparent - a real plus for MF in my view.

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    Re: 32mm HR

    Here's the Alpa TC set up with the 32mm HR and the IQ 180. I've adapted a CZ 21mm finder for use with this lens - I like it much better than the Alpa finder because its more or less rectilinear, making it much easier to line up verticals and horizontals.

    It balances perfectly well handheld. Not as compact as the SK 35 but completely workable. Weighs about 5.1 lbs as shown; with the Schneider it was under 4. I hesitate to post this because Guy is so good at shooting equipment - this looks pretty amateurish. I've got the high resolution focusing ring on order.

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    Re: 32mm HR

    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    ....I've got it on good authority that we can expect a body with shifts and tilts from Arca sometime this year.
    Did you not mean Alpa?

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    Re: 32mm HR

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterL View Post
    Did you not mean Alpa?

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    What a slip. Thanks. I fixed it with an edit.

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    Re: 32mm HR

    Woody:

    what is that brass doodad on the shutter release?

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    Woody your 10mm looks excellent my friend. Great work
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    Re: 32mm HR

    Glad you posted this with this combo of 180 and 32. I wish I was able to use a 180 when I had the 28mm here.
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    Wow Woody, that looks like one of those old fashioned elephant guns!

    You must get some funny looks while using that.

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    Re: 32mm HR

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    Woody:

    what is that brass doodad on the shutter release?
    The standard shutter release.

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    Re: 32mm HR

    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Wow Woody, that looks like one of those old fashioned elephant guns!

    You must get some funny looks while using that.
    It really looks like a blunderbuss. I'm frequently approached by photographers and fanciers who are generally a pretty nice bunch. Reactions to of people in front of the lens tend to be whimsical - sort of "this thing can't be real." I'm not the most exotic piece of gear on the NY street - I saw a guy yesterday shooting a Red something or other - he escaped before I could talk to him. This is obviously the next frontier for gear nuts.

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    Re: 32mm HR

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Glad you posted this with this combo of 180 and 32. I wish I was able to use a 180 when I had the 28mm here.
    I've now (finally) assembled a full range of big image circle lenses that work with the 180: the HR 32 (90mm); the SK 48 (98mm according to Schneider but 90 or so useable in my rig); SK 72mm (90mm); and SK 120N (a whopping 120mm).

    The SK 72 is now offered as the SK 75, which is its actual focal length.

    By the way with the HR 32 I expected mustache distortion to be a problem. So far it hasn't been noticeable.

    I was just on the Alpa site - they've posted a new, 64 bit version of the lens corrector tool.

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    Woody,

    I had informed here about 2 weeks ago.



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    I was just on the Alpa site - they've posted a new, 64 bit version of the lens corrector tool.
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    Re: 32mm HR

    Works nice too.
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    Re: 32mm HR

    Looks really good Woody, may I know where you get the center filter? There is limited information avaliable online. Thanks

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    Re: 32mm HR

    Woody, that's one heck of a viewfinder tree you've got going there! I think that the only VF that looks stranger is the Voigtlander telescope vari-finder and it's associated Alpa mount! (Ok, truthfully the iPhone assembly looks pretty gnarly too).
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    Re: 32mm HR

    Quote Originally Posted by yatlee View Post
    Looks really good Woody, may I know where you get the center filter? There is limited information avaliable online. Thanks
    I just ordered it through my dealer here in NY. You could probably call or email Alpa.

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    Re: 32mm HR

    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    Here's the Alpa TC set up with the 32mm HR and the IQ 180. I've adapted a CZ 21mm finder for use with this lens - I like it much better than the Alpa finder because its more or less rectilinear, making it much easier to line up verticals and horizontals.

    It balances perfectly well handheld. Not as compact as the SK 35 but completely workable. Weighs about 5.1 lbs as shown; with the Schneider it was under 4. I hesitate to post this because Guy is so good at shooting equipment - this looks pretty amateurish. I've got the high resolution focusing ring on order.


    Woody

    Here an other solution for a dwarfs view finder .
    Its a VOIGTLANDER 21/25mm and can be removed very quickly .
    It is a quick iPHONE shot .

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    Re: 32mm HR

    Really a crazy good lens. The only downsides are price, size, and distortion (which is pretty easily corrected in post with minimal degradation).

    We have a full sized JPG available in our Rodenstock 32HR vs. Schneider 28mm test.
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    Looks great! Get mine on Monday or Tuesday Wish I had the opportunity to do a trade in with my 35XL

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    Re: 32mm HR

    I used one for several days and it was a really nice lens. I'm jealous and good luck with it.
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    It is a fantastic lens and my experience matches yours. The thing about that lens is the contrast and rendering is something special giving images a really natural feel IMO.

    I would be curious how you feel about the slight distortion from the lens. I have often thought of doing a correction mapping for photoshop but have yet to find the time.

    I have gotten away from using canned LCCs as even the focus point can change the color cast. I actually shoot them for every lens I own and have noticed improvements even on the 72 and 150. It has become a habit to take my last shot as an LCC with an extra 2 stops. As most of you already know, C1 7 has been optimized for this workflow as well.

    A word of caution: Don't walk around much with this lens on your camera and keep it in a protected location in your camera bag. The lens is rugged but the copal 0 is not up to the task with such a heavy front end. After a couple of years mine started getting soft on the edges which progressed to be unusable. The front element is also large enough that you can easily loosen it from the shutter trying to remove a stubborn filter. Cambo took care of me but now I treat it with kit gloves as it is my second most used lens.

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    Re: 32mm HR

    Ed,

    What is your most used lens?


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    Quote Originally Posted by markymarkrb View Post
    Ed,

    What is your most used lens?


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    Used to be the Schneider 72L but I think the Rhody 55mm has taken over the top spot.

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