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Ditto. I had a P25+ for similar reasons that complemented my IQ160 and that was so that I wasn't so paranoid about $60k of gear being chained up in my hotel room when I travelled for work with the opportunity to shoot somewhere at the weekend. I sold it to pay for a big trip but now I want another (or P45+) to replace it for long exposure work.I have a 5Diii, 800E and Aptus II 12 (soon to be IQ180)...so there are my biases. I got the 800E so I could have something I could use out of a Kayak, easier to swallow dropping a 5K kit in Lake Superior vs. a 50K one. Having said this, I think the two serve very different purposes.
Also, I knew when I went ownt he MFDB route, especially at the top end, that this was not for any kind of monetary gains or investment dreams, this was going to be a quickly depreciating proposition, but that is life in the fast lane.
You know that the 5D II killed Nikon for so long. The smart Canon guys won't swap but will just wait until the next iteration. That's what the smart Nikon folks did.MFD might be suffering some fallout from release of D800, I see that some people on the Forum have bought the 5D3 from Canon but how many Canon users are considering the shift to Nikon?
I wonder how the marketing chaps and ladies at Canon are appraising the impact of the D800?
Mal
I had chance to test preproduction 5DII and D700 and pick one.You know that the 5D II killed Nikon for so long.
Count me as the opposite, since I've gotten my 5D3, I have sold the last of my main Nikon lenses. While I don't think of myself as loyal to one particular brand, from what I've seen with the D800, is the resolution gain. Its what I shoot most and I still prefer the look from the Canon glass, subjective of course.MFD might be suffering some fallout from release of D800, I see that some people on the Forum have bought the 5D3 from Canon but how many Canon users are considering the shift to Nikon?
I wonder how the marketing chaps and ladies at Canon are appraising the impact of the D800?
Mal
Yes, but they all are planning for Nokia 808 PureView upgrade.And they probably own iPhones as well.
My personal experience is used MFDBs are good for upgrades only. No one wants to make you a decent offer, irrespective of your motivation. If you are a well known photographer / instructor, then you have better chance, otherwise forget it.Well, it somewhat depends on the motivation of the seller. If it were a financial emergency then you can understand taking the hit. If it's just someone deciding that they want to spend their money on something else then I would say it's a classic case of a fool and their money being easily parted.
Marketing chaps @ Canon has offered up to $550 Rebate when you buy 5D MK III with additional lens and/or speed light.MFD might be suffering some fallout from release of D800, I see that some people on the Forum have bought the 5D3 from Canon but how many Canon users are considering the shift to Nikon?
I wonder how the marketing chaps and ladies at Canon are appraising the impact of the D800?
Mal
Guy, I have mixed experience with Phase One dealers. Some of them has bad attitude, and unless you are famous, they don't care much.One thing for sure I'm not going to rip you off nor is a dealer.
There's also the challenge of dealers with insider knowledge privately putting their own backs up for sale immediately prior to the announcement of a new product line.The 'value' of your digital back varies significantly depending upon whether you are upgrading to a new back vs any other sale. That's true and certainly a different model than you'll see with pretty much any other type of camera system. Try getting an attractive trade at a dealer for anything else.
If you want a cross-grade or change down then basically you will be offered a lot lower price for your back compared to the attractive trade-ins available to move up to a brand new higher resolution back.
The prices for private sales are entirely market driven which is basically now softer given that I suspect the enthusiast buyers are now attracted more by other very able, but cheaper offerings. I'm sure that there's a segment of buyers who previously would have considered purchasing a MFDB that are no longer going to make that step any longer. I know at least of one of my DLSR shooting friends who was teetering on the edge of getting a MFDB system but now definitely won't. Also supply isn't an issue any more so I would wager that is another factor too.
The bottom line though is that if you want to sell quickly today on the private market then you're probably not going to get top dollar.
I hope the arrival of D800 will increase competition and will bring down the "ego factor" of some of these Phase One dealers.
And so we are back to the buy direct from the manufacturer model again.There's also the challenge of dealers with insider knowledge privately putting their own backs up for sale immediately prior to the announcement of a new product line.
Leasing incurs significant cost I always expense all cameras and computers in the first year. For MF I upgrade and expense the upgrade cost. For 35 I just sell used buy the new model and expense.If you are using this for a business and you listen to your accountant, leasing would most likely be the purchase method. Any computer which includes digital backs are virtually worthless after newer technologies supersede it. So if you are a business you would have leased it through one of the dealers that advertise here and forget about the resale value. Your digital processing fees will pay in part for the back every month and after the lease is up, you can just get a new one. After all, if you bought it and took the depreciation on the back and sold it at a profit, you would have to pay capital gains tax - again this is if you listen to your accountant.
So if this individual was a business, the sale price may reflect the depreciated price. If not a business but an individual, if they had the $$$ to buy one in the first place, losing the $9000 is not a big deal for the bragging rights they had.
Jeffacme,Leasing incurs significant cost I always expense all cameras and computers in the first year. For MF I upgrade and expense the upgrade cost. For 35 I just sell used buy the new model and expense.
In your post you clearly attempt to build a case for leasing which is the most expensive way to own a back and really offers little upside in terms of taxes. I just disagree with the premise.Jeffacme,
As I said in my post, "Listen to your accountant" every business model is going to be different and that is what they are paid to do.
Jeffacme,In your post you clearly attempt to build a case for leasing which is the most expensive way to own a back and really offers little upside in terms of taxes. I just disagree with the premise.
It should be obvious that any business lacking the cash flow to make a vital equipment purchase has no business making that purchase in the first place.Jeffacme,
Not going to argue with you on the financing of technology, yes, leasing is expensive, but maybe the only way for some to afford it. A lot of folks don't have $65K cash on hand to purchase a back outright. My point was to explain why someone in business would sell a back at what appears to be a loss. Again, YOUR accountant is the best resource for your business decisions.
[day job]It should be obvious that any business lacking the cash flow to make a vital equipment purchase has no business making that purchase in the first place.
Such a studio or photographer should be looking at finding a deal on used gear that fits the cash flow. If you need an accountant to tell you that then
you are in trouble.
Off the top of my head I can think of a half dozen time in 2012 alone where this was demonstrably false for our customers.It should be obvious that any business lacking the cash flow to make a vital equipment purchase has no business making that purchase in the first place.
Such a studio or photographer should be looking at finding a deal on used gear that fits the cash flow. If you need an accountant to tell you that then
you are in trouble.
May I ask why do you need both D800E & 5DIII? Are you saying D800E is not good for hand held as it requires optimum techniques to get best result and has lees tolerance? Or 5Diii has better video performance?For me, solid ground -- MFDB, water underneath -- D800E, kids and stuff around the house -- 5DIII.