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    Re: Mamiya Leaf introduces the new Leaf CREDO

    Yair

    Will there be any provision with the dealerships to "cross trade/upgrade" from Phase to Leaf. Was almost ready to hit the button on an IQ!

    Despite the Phase IQ having more bells and whistles the Leaf is actually a good proposition for me

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    Re: Mamiya Leaf introduces the new Leaf CREDO

    Question for Doug or Yair,

    Since it appears the new Leaf backs are in the same Chassis as the Phase IQ back, can you use the Leaf batteries in the IQ? Since the newer Leaf cells are 2900 millamp vs 2600, this will give a IQ user a bit more use per cell. I didn't see what the Voltage was as that is more critical, but I am assuming it's the same as the IQ back?

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    Re: Mamiya Leaf introduces the new Leaf CREDO

    The new Phase One IQ's are shipping with a new 2900 milliamp battery. This just started in the last month or so.

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    Does the leaf back use the same battery as Phase One IQ? I saw the feature mentioned a 2900 mAh rechargeable Li-ion battery.

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    Re: Mamiya Leaf introduces the new Leaf CREDO

    These look like nice additions to the Leaf range. Can't help feeling though that with low-count used IQ180s appearing for less than $30k (from dealers, not craigslist!), will anyone pay $9k more for the Credo 80? Long time Leaf users maybe - expecially via trade-in/upgrade programs - but new users? I'd rather have the used IQ back, if only for the focus mask ability (something that I'm very surprised Leaf excluded).

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    Re: Mamiya Leaf introduces the new Leaf CREDO

    Quote Originally Posted by yatlee View Post
    Does the leaf back use the same battery as Phase One IQ? I saw the feature mentioned a 2900 mAh rechargeable Li-ion battery.

    The battery for the Credo and for the IQ is the same.


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    oh, I see the new battery on your website... will order some soon. Do they last much longer than the 2500?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yatlee View Post
    oh, I see the new battery on your website... will order some soon. Do they last much longer than the 2500?.

    We have not conducted any hard tests, but general anecdotal feedback seems to generally be near what the extrapolated estimate would be of 20% or so additional life.


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    Re: Mamiya Leaf introduces the new Leaf CREDO

    Quote Originally Posted by f8orbust View Post
    These look like nice additions to the Leaf range. Can't help feeling though that with low-count used IQ180s appearing for less than $30k (from dealers, not craigslist!), will anyone pay $9k more for the Credo 80? Long time Leaf users maybe - expecially via trade-in/upgrade programs - but new users? I'd rather have the used IQ back, if only for the focus mask ability (something that I'm very surprised Leaf excluded).
    I think that if you want the Leaf look, you'll buy a Leaf. Simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I think that if you want the Leaf look, you'll buy a Leaf. Simple.

    Right, plus he's comparing new and used. Whether it is new vs new, or used vs used, the IQ will be higher priced. And I agree with Graham, decisions will be made on the Leaf look, and - for those not enamored by it - the additional outlay for the extra features of the IQ (Sensor Plus, Focus Mask, Auto Perspective Correction, etc).


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    Re: Mamiya Leaf introduces the new Leaf CREDO

    Hi Steve

    means Canon BP 915 ? The problem with these batteries is that none of them really have more than maybe just 2000 mAh. I can see this as I use my Dolgin loader and it shows me exactly how much capacity they have, no matter what the print on them states. All made in china.........

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    The battery for the Credo and for the IQ is the same.


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    Yair

    Will there be any provision with the dealerships to "cross trade/upgrade" from Phase to Leaf. Was almost ready to hit the button on an IQ!

    Despite the Phase IQ having more bells and whistles the Leaf is actually a good proposition for me

    Thanks
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    Re: Mamiya Leaf introduces the new Leaf CREDO

    You never really hear about the 'Canon look' or the 'Nikon look' or the 'Pentax look' or the 'Phase One look' or the 'Hasselblad look' or the 'Sinar look' ... but you do hear about the 'Leaf look' - kinda curious.

    I think the look I would prefer is one where I see a nice mint IQ180 attached to my camera and $9k extra in the bank.

    But that's just me

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    Re: Mamiya Leaf introduces the new Leaf CREDO

    Quote Originally Posted by f8orbust View Post
    You never really hear about the 'Canon look' or the 'Nikon look' or the 'Pentax look' or the 'Phase One look' or the 'Hasselblad look' or the 'Sinar look' ... but you do hear about the 'Leaf look' - kinda curious.

    I think the look I would prefer is one where I see a nice mint IQ180 attached to my camera and $9k extra in the bank.

    But that's just me
    Well, I think you've answered your own question regarding whether the CREDO is for you or not.
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    Re: Mamiya Leaf introduces the new Leaf CREDO

    Why do Leaf and Phase One develop different backs?

    Would it not be more logical to not compete and develop a single better less expensive product?

    Maybe move on from the bayer array.

    Maybe develop a better camera body sooner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by f8orbust View Post
    You never really hear about the 'Canon look' or the 'Nikon look' or the 'Pentax look' or the 'Phase One look' or the 'Hasselblad look' or the 'Sinar look' ... but you do hear about the 'Leaf look' - kinda curious.

    I think the look I would prefer is one where I see a nice mint IQ180 attached to my camera and $9k extra in the bank.

    But that's just me

    Actually you do hear about the Hasselblad/Phase/Sinar "look". Out of the box, there are differences between the files from each of these products, even when utilizing the same sensor, and there have been threads that refer to that over the years. Perhaps because generally speaking, the raw files from each product tend to be converted in proprietary software, making it more difficult to compare apples to apples, with unique software programs not as able to produce similar file results over multiple products, as in the case of Adobe conversions for Canon/Nikon.

    Not to mention that there are far more opportunities to manipulate files in-camera with Canon/Nikon products, which leads to less consensus regarding what the native files actually look like. But I've also seen discussions regarding "Nikon color" and "Canon color". The size of medium format files may also lend themselves to a more advanced state of pixel peeping, where these subtle differences are clearer.


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    Re: Mamiya Leaf introduces the new Leaf CREDO

    Phase One P25 looks like the 5D3 in natural light but leaf looks more like film.
    I don't know what the newer backs are like but in this comparison below the Phase back looks more film like over the 5D3.

    Phase One P25:

    Hasselblad H1 + 80mm 2.8 + Phase one P25 back
    (ISO200, 1/60, 2.8)



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    5D3, 85L II, (ISO200, 1/60, 2.8)


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    If someone wants to give me an IQ180 plus $9000 in my bank, I'd be into that...Don't worry about which mount it is, I'll use the extra money to change it if I need to

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Well, I think you've answered your own question regarding whether the CREDO is for you or not.
    It wasn't really about me or not, it was about the logic of driving (a new) one of these off the forecourt when there is an equivalent capture device with greater functionality available (used) for less.

    In particular, if:

    1. You're a traditional leaf user and want to stay in the system, I understand why you'd do this.

    2. You want/need the 'leaf look' I understand that as well.

    But beyond those reasons, why would you drop $39k on a Credo 80 when you can get a back with the same sensor and (really useful) additional functionality for $9k less, albeit ex-demo/used?

    Anyone who does not fall into either (1) or (2) and is contemplating buying a Credo 80 - answers on a postcard please to the usual (IP) address.

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    No focusing mask on the Credo backs??????

    My friends point and shoot has it.

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    Is the screen on the back glossy or matte?

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    Quote Originally Posted by f8orbust View Post
    It wasn't really about me or not, it was about the logic of driving (a new) one of these off the forecourt when there is an equivalent capture device with greater functionality available (used) for less.

    In particular, if:

    1. You're a traditional leaf user and want to stay in the system, I understand why you'd do this.

    2. You want/need the 'leaf look' I understand that as well.

    But beyond those reasons, why would you drop $39k on a Credo 80 when you can get a back with the same sensor and (really useful) additional functionality for $9k less, albeit ex-demo/used?

    Anyone who does not fall into either (1) or (2) and is contemplating buying a Credo 80 - answers on a postcard please to the usual (IP) address.

    Jim
    The best answer I think is that if you are in the market for an 80MP solution, you have several options, starting with a used/ ex-demo Aptus-II 12 and ending with a new IQ180 with Value Added warranty, with the Credo seating nicely in the middle. So your budget/ needs/ wills can all have a product that meets them!
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    Re: Mamiya Leaf introduces the new Leaf CREDO

    Quote Originally Posted by FredBGG View Post
    Is the screen on the back glossy or matte?
    It's a shiny glass panel that covers the rear of the back. Capacitive touch panels are always shiny
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    Quote Originally Posted by FredBGG View Post
    No focusing mask on the Credo backs??????

    My friends point and shoot has it.
    Let me guess your friend's P&S is also cheaper than a back, right?
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    LOL

    Yair I would love to test one. Love to see how the interface works and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    Let me guess your friend's P&S is also cheaper than a back, right?
    It's also real time.

    Not that much cheaper... he has a bunch of Leica lenses for it.

    Ricoh something or other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    It's a shiny glass panel that covers the rear of the back. Capacitive touch panels are always shiny
    I hate glossy screens. Real pain with reflections. A semi gloss or luster like screen protector film would be a nice bundle item for those that don't like a "bling" screen.

    Would be a small cost to add this and would make everyone happy.

    Touch controls outside the image area are nice, but a bigger screen would have been nicer, maybe with touch controls on the sides.

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    Price difference is pretty steep.

    The Aptus 40mp goes for just under $15,000 while the Credo 40mp goes for over $19,000.

    What improvements are there image quality wise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredBGG View Post
    Price difference is pretty steep.

    The Aptus 40mp goes for just under $15,000 while the Credo 40mp goes for over $19,000.

    What improvements are there image quality wise?
    Once again, more options to suit different budgets and needs. If you're a catalogue house with 10 backs fitted to 10 Cambo Ultimas with Rollei e-shutters, you'll probably take the Aptus, tape the LCD covers with Black gaffer tape and use the remaining $40K to buy new Macs, new Eizo's or some lights.

    If you're more of an outdoor/ untethered shooter who can benefit from the latest display technology, on board Live View, weather sealing, longer exposures, tighter 645DF integration etc. then you can go for the Credo 40, simples...

    Image quality wise the Aptus-II 8 and the Credo 40 are very similar, with a slight advantage to the Credo at high iso and longer exposures (the Aptus-II 8 stops at 32 seconds)

    Regarding the screen protectors, I've asked to source out some 3-in-1 packs: Shiny, matte and a special, iridium-mirrorised ones, they look cool on the iPhone!

    I'm only joking of course, it's a good idea and we'll look into that although to be honest you can get cheap iPhone protectors for next to nothing and cut them as you like
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    Re: Mamiya Leaf introduces the new Leaf CREDO

    Btw, if you want screen protectors then Screen Patronus are your go-to folks. They have them for the IQ series and I had them create custom sized protectors for the P25+ I had and which they now offer for all P+ backs.

    ScreenPatronus, Screen protector - the difference is amazing.

    If you have a template or dimensions for the CREDO they'll doubtless add it to their catalogue of available screen protectors. These work both for touch and non-touch screens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Btw, if you want screen protectors then Screen Patronus are your go-to folks. They have them for the IQ series and I had them create custom sized protectors for the P25+ I had and which they now offer for all P+ backs.

    ScreenPatronus, Screen protector - the difference is amazing.

    If you have a template or dimensions for the CREDO they'll doubtless add it to their catalogue of available screen protectors. These work both for touch and non-touch screens.

    +1 These are really good. They have excellent anti-glare properties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post

    If you're more of an outdoor/ untethered shooter who can benefit from the latest display technology, on board Live View, weather sealing, longer exposures, tighter 645DF integration etc. then you can go for the Credo 40, simples...
    How is the refresh rate of the live view?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredBGG View Post
    How is the refresh rate of the live view?
    I still find Live view VERY misleading. Sorry, but what it is isn't really live view. It is slow, slow, slow and it kinda is an insult to call it that.

    Well, marketing always needs catching words, and live view is perfect for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    I still find Live view VERY misleading. Sorry, but what it is isn't really live view. It is slow, slow, slow and it kinda is an insult to call it that.

    Well, marketing always needs catching words, and live view is perfect for it.

    Do you have some alternatives Christopher? While I've always described it realistically, I don't really know what phrase or words Leaf or Phase One would use to convey the actual feature. Sort-of-sensor-view-in-almost-real-time-in-the-right-light....Plus.

    I think that would be too many words.


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    I'm no engineer, never played one on tv and am just not that smart. However the way I look at "Live View" is like this...

    Live View works better on a 35mm sensor because it's small. Place Live View on a sub 35mm sensor and you get better, quicker results. Place it on a larger sensor like medium format and get less results. Start adding pixels and you begin having more of a time lag in refreshing what the sensor is seeing.

    That's the general physical limitations as I see it. Can it get better? I hope so, however I've got a feeling that the fix to "Live View" in medium format will not come from a physical fix - more than likely some software genus. Will it ever be as good as 35mm?

    Then again some folks will never be satisfied no matter

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    The "trouble" is that WE introduced this feature to the stills camera world, back in 1996, and at the time we could pick any name we wanted...so we picked Live Video...
    Then somewhere around 2002-2003, following some feedback from users who told us that it's not really video because we can't record it, we changed it to Live View
    Everyone else just followed, including the 35mm guys...

    Misleading or leading?
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    Re: Mamiya Leaf introduces the new Leaf CREDO

    I'm not very familiar with the type of processor / chips that power the Leaf (or any other back for that matter), but am more familiar with Canon's DIGIC lineup of processors. My assumption is that the 35mm DSLRs have fast enough chips to be able to handle the bandwidth of reading and refreshing the sensor 30 times a second, while the MF backs do not. The MF backs are reading from a sensor that is typically much larger in pixel count, as well as in color channel fidelity (16 bit vs 14). I know my "lowly" Afi-7 has trouble providing even 1 fps when live view is activated on a tethered machine, but it's still a big improvement over the display built into the back when trying to dial in focus. I imagine the Credo backs will cause some folks to reevaluate the need for tethering at all with the new display.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeckardTrinity View Post
    I'm not very familiar with the type of processor / chips that power the Leaf (or any other back for that matter), but am more familiar with Canon's DIGIC lineup of processors. My assumption is that the 35mm DSLRs have fast enough chips to be able to handle the bandwidth of reading and refreshing the sensor 30 times a second, while the MF backs do not. The MF backs are reading from a sensor that is typically much larger in pixel count, as well as in color channel fidelity (16 bit vs 14). I know my "lowly" Afi-7 has trouble providing even 1 fps when live view is activated on a tethered machine, but it's still a big improvement over the display built into the back when trying to dial in focus. I imagine the Credo backs will cause some folks to reevaluate the need for tethering at all with the new display.
    Comparing the processors of different systems directly to each other is pretty difficult since they are built specifically for that platforms needs.

    However, it is no exaggeration to say the processing power in a Credo is ENORMOUS and one of the largest improvements from the Aptus II series which could feel underpowered (CPU wise) at times (e.g. long time to view 100% focus checks). The main processor is a custom-silicon (built to spec) four core processor, and there are 3 or 4 (forgive me for not remember off the top of my head) auxiliary processors.

    The speed of live view simply comes down to CMOS vs. CCD. Right now CCD sensors still produce better final net image quality, but they suck at doing live view. CMOS are great at live-view and capturing video but are not quite a match for CCD in final image quality. In the future that may change and if a medium format CMOS sensor can be made that match CCD for final image quality then I'd put my money on Team Phase One (Phase/Leaf/Mamiya/Schneider) making use of it first and best.
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    Congratulations for the new models. I wish Leaf / Phase good success.

    What is really needed now is an entry level back. Entry level does not mean 8000.- USD like the Aptus II 5, but something in the 2000-3000.- area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.Karma View Post
    Congratulations for the new models. I wish Leaf / Phase good success.

    What is really needed now is an entry level back. Entry level does not mean 8000.- USD like the Aptus II 5, but something in the 2000-3000.- area.
    You'd think this would of been something they'd do. I regularly see 22mp backs going (used) for $3500-$5000 (depending on the back).

    Some of us are smart enough to know we don't need 40mp backs.
    I guess that's what the used markets for, oh wait......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Giles View Post
    You'd think this would of been something they'd do. I regularly see 22mp backs going (used) for $3500-$5000 (depending on the back).

    Some of us are smart enough to know we don't need 40mp backs.
    I guess that's what the used markets for, oh wait......

    I only wish for leaf / Phase to stay in business. Niche markets are nice, but can become erased or assimilated. Wait what Canon and Sony will bring next to the table. After Nikon coming up with the D800 you see how silent it has all become here.
    The design of this new back looks really nice and clean, but it would be much nicer if a larger user base could make use of it.

    3500-5000 usd for a used e*** item with all the risks and a maximum clean ISO100 is not a good deal in 2012, not even remotely.

    ....... and I do not need 40mp either, but think 22mp should offer some flexbility and affordibility, again in 2012!

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    I've been feeling the same way, I love my Hassy, truly love it and can spot the differences between the backs.

    I wasn't going to mention the D800 but seeing as most of us MF users stick around the low ISO, which is where the D800 excels, you have to wonder if Nikon didn't do this totally on purpose. Yes indeed, smaller sensor, different look, but releasing $25k backs seems a bit backwards in going forwards unless you have the cash of course and I'm sure Leaf/Phase/Hasselblad aren't idiots so the market must be there for them.

    If it was Canon I would of jumped on this as it's a reasonably small outlay but Nikon, new glass (which isn't all that great), etc is what's stopping me.

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    Re: Mamiya Leaf introduces the new Leaf CREDO

    We've just created a Credo section on our User Forum. More people will be testing/ demo'ing the backs over the next weeks so expect some new discussions over there.

    Just finished a classic car studio shoot in London with the Credo 80. We did have a laptop but the photographer's commented that with the new screen and Live View the laptop can stay in the bag. (he shoots on a Nikon D4 and an Aptus-II)
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    I am also wondering why Phase finances the development, production, marketing, product launch and service of two series of 40/60/80 MPixel digital backs which actually are 95 percent the same (same sensors, same screen, same IQ, nearly same features) instead of releasing one single series with the features of Leaf and Phase, adding entry level models and working on more affordable, competitive prices (> D800) by targeting higher production quantities.

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    Looks very good indeed

    If I could wish freely, then I would love to have a large cmos sensor with dslr live view capability, but I suppose that is quite far away.

    My second wish is that they could do a full size sensor with 40 mp. I would prefer a little fatter pixels....

    But hey, I would love to use any of the three! They have many features I could use in my daily work.

    Want one!!!!!!!
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    Re: Mamiya Leaf introduces the new Leaf CREDO

    Just curious if anyone knows whether the Credos require a wake up cable or not. That would be a difference, for tech. users/Hassy users, over the Phase backs...
    Thanks,
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    Re: Mamiya Leaf introduces the new Leaf CREDO

    Quote Originally Posted by rga View Post
    Just curious if anyone knows whether the Credos require a wake up cable or not. That would be a difference, for tech. users/Hassy users, over the Phase backs...
    Thanks,
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    Hi Bob, since the Credo uses a Dalsa sensor it doesn't require a wake-up cable.

    There is an option however to use a different shutter latency setting with a wake-up cable that improves battery life a bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    Hi Bob, since the Credo uses a Dalsa sensor it doesn't require a wake-up cable.

    There is an option however to use a different shutter latency setting with a wake-up cable that improves battery life a bit

    BR

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    Ah. Thanks Yair. I think that is the same as my P45+.
    Best,
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    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    Yes

    Still in production:
    Aptus-II 5
    Aptus-II 7
    Aptus-II 8
    Aptus-II 10 and 10R
    Aptus-II 12 and 12R
    AFi-II 10
    AFi-II 12
    WOW thats nice to know being I just bought a Aptus II 6

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post

    The speed of live view simply comes down to CMOS vs. CCD. Right now CCD sensors still produce better final net image quality, but they suck at doing live view. CMOS are great at live-view and capturing video but are not quite a match for CCD in final image quality. In the future that may change and if a medium format CMOS sensor can be made that match CCD for final image quality then I'd put my money on Team Phase One (Phase/Leaf/Mamiya/Schneider) making use of it first and best.
    It has little to do with CCD vs CMOS. You get faster refresh rates with 35mm
    DSLR cameras because they use line skipping techniques in order to get the data out and processed quickly. Also the processors are much faster.
    Just look at how the D800 can process 1080 video. Scale it in real time for the on camera screen and out put uncompressed HDMI. That is massive data throughput . MF digital backs don't come close to these speeds.

    Nikon D800 stills 36 MP at 4 frames per second .... no comparison.
    Canon 1d X 18 MP at 10-12 frames per second.... no comparison.

    As far as quality goes there have been significant improvements in CMOS, while CCD have not changed in this last generation, just a little bit more functionality. Fuji's new sensor in the X-pro 1 is simply amazing considering it's size. At it's resolution nothing out there beats it. If Fuji scales it up to larger formats it will be the standard to beat. The x-pro 1 at half the size already looks as good as or better than most full frame DSLR camera.
    Fuji may well scale the sensor up to a FF 35mm size or even medium format.
    After all Fuji already has the lenses and all the MF know how and above all in house sensor design and manufacturing, as well as a history of making CCD and CMOS sensors.

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