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    MFD for Art Repro?

    Choices for Art Repro

    I run a commercial studio, mostly small product, art repro, and post-proc.
    I am upgrading the art-repro part of the biz and trying to decide between a few paths. My primary need is color accuracy and DR, as well as a need for large files (200+MB 16bit RGB)
    I am not very familiar with larger format digital but getting up to speed ASAP.
    I have tested a single large painting with a good cross-section of tones with a BetterLight 6K mounted on a 4x5 with Schneider Digitar, a Hasselblad 200MS w/ Fujinon 120 Macro, and a PhaseOne IQ180 with Mamiya 120 Macro.
    I will try and post some samples of those test captures if interested.
    The BetterLight scan back returned the best color accuracy and DR, but not by much, and I believe that Hassy or PhaseOne backs could match it with a little more experience on my part using the software.

    My current gut instinct is telling me that my best bang for my buck will be obtained buying a used PhaseOne P65 setup and the Schneider T/S and 120 Macro lenses.
    I think this setup will be the easiest to train my staff how to use in the studio and should come in under $30k. It will also significantly upgrade our art-repro capabilities and can be multi-stitched (sliding the artwork) for enormous file sizes.

    Any one here do art repro capture and have any thoughts on my choice of a used P65 system with Macro lens vs IQ180 or scan back and 4x5 options?

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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    for color accuracy, i will go with a leaf back or a multishot.

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    Love the new IQ backs myself and tethered is awesome. May only need a IQ160
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    Thanks, archivue, I tested the MS Hassy and it was awesome for color accuracy, but even though MS should beat any single shot, it really didn't, and add to that the extra work required for multishot and the Hasselblad's terrible LV function (IMO) ...
    The BetterLight Scanback delivered the best for color accuracy and file size, but it would be a bear to train staff to use it and I would end up with yet another piece of equipment in my studio that requires me and only me to operate ( similar to my Heidelberg Tango Drumscanner) Trying to avoid that...
    Why do you rec the Leaf? Isn't it nearly the same as the PhaseOne back? Is Leaf known for better color rendition in their software or something?


    Guy: the IQ160 Would put me over my budget for new system, the P65 seems to be available used and for my purposes just as good. Reason for busting budget and going for the IQ160 vs P65?

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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    Well you could go demo or used but one reason retail value for sure plus focus mask and all the IQ features can also get you away from tethered and make it much more valuable in the field.

    Need to look at future needs as well.

    I actually been thinking of selling mine for a 140. I could use more gear in other areas myself and with my 28 and 60 tech lenses it would not be so bad going to a crop since I'm only using a tech cam now. I gave up the DF which the crop drove me nuts. Since I'm not using it certainly something for me to consider.
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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    Quote Originally Posted by Egor View Post
    Choices for Art Repro

    I run a commercial studio, mostly small product, art repro, and post-proc.
    I am upgrading the art-repro part of the biz and trying to decide between a few paths. My primary need is color accuracy and DR, as well as a need for large files (200+MB 16bit RGB)
    I am not very familiar with larger format digital but getting up to speed ASAP.
    I have tested a single large painting with a good cross-section of tones with a BetterLight 6K mounted on a 4x5 with Schneider Digitar, a Hasselblad 200MS w/ Fujinon 120 Macro, and a PhaseOne IQ180 with Mamiya 120 Macro.
    I will try and post some samples of those test captures if interested.
    The BetterLight scan back returned the best color accuracy and DR, but not by much, and I believe that Hassy or PhaseOne backs could match it with a little more experience on my part using the software.

    My current gut instinct is telling me that my best bang for my buck will be obtained buying a used PhaseOne P65 setup and the Schneider T/S and 120 Macro lenses.
    I think this setup will be the easiest to train my staff how to use in the studio and should come in under $30k. It will also significantly upgrade our art-repro capabilities and can be multi-stitched (sliding the artwork) for enormous file sizes.

    Any one here do art repro capture and have any thoughts on my choice of a used P65 system with Macro lens vs IQ180 or scan back and 4x5 options?
    Have you considered an Aptus II-12 80MP back for this? It offers you the same resolution as the IQ180 , excellent color fidelity but does not have all the bells & whistles of the IQ, also at a lot less money. For a tethered workflow this is an excellent solution.

    The P65+ is a great back, but I think you will benefit greatly from the extra 20MP with the Aptus II-12.

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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    There are many aspects and different views on the subject or art repro.

    Most important IMO is the workflow (given that you have a good camera obviously...).

    There's a huge difference between doing 2 old masters paintings a week to doing 3 books a day for instance.

    If you are going to have a dedicated copy-stand station with the camera looking down, or if you already have one but just need a bigger camera, then that's another option you can pursue

    200MB 16-bit means ~40 megapixel, so you can look for a 40MP back and spend more money on lights, lenses or a new copy stand

    Most bang for the buck? Probably an Aptus-II 10 or a 10R on a Cambo Repro 4x5 and a couple of good lenses

    In Leaf Capture you can use Sensorflax and shoot either 56MP, 48MP or a square 36MP image, to same space and time. It'll also give you, arguably, the best Live View performance, tethered.

    Best overall solution? Probably an iXR with a Credo or an IQ back

    Single shot backs offer a huge advantage when you do higher volumes as they produce (relatively) small RAW files, shoot fast (we have customers who shoot 3,500-4,000 pages every day, 6 days a week) and provide shot-to-shot consistency

    But as I said this only covers a fraction of this area...please feel free to contact me directly as I have years of experience dealing with repro customers and developing the products for them...

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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    I've limited experience working with 2-seperate artist one-who works in pastels the other in acrylics back when I still had my P45+. Both were satisfied with the end result however a lot of work went into it.

    While a P65 may look good I agree with Guy's opinion of the IQ back. There's some used/demo IQ backs coming on the market and would strongly recommend checking with a dealer.

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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    For art repro at the budget range you're talking about a New Aptus II-10 or demo/used Aptus II 12, or demo/used P65+ would be a my choice.

    Best price per megapixel while maintaing a fast/easy/reliable workflow.

    There is little question that an IQ or Credo and iXR or our Digital Transitions R-Cam would be a better overall system, but at a commensurate price.
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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    Great info here! Thanks.
    I can respond better once in the studio. (still early morning here in SoCal)

    Definitely will ask about the Aptus but 40MP is my minimum and doesn't account for cropping (assume 70%) because no art original has ever fit exactly the format of the camera.
    Definitely more the 3-5 masters a week category not copying books here. The work gets pretty big (5x7ft up to 10ft x 8ft! In rare cases)
    Also will be used in studio with strobes for cover shots, food, and billboard needs of certain clients.
    Will absolutely never ever shoot anything other than tethered. I have forgotten what a CF card even looks like

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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    DR is not much of an issue in artwork--the sensor will have plenty of DR to handle any flat art and you can control the lighting with 3-D stuff. Pixel resolution is also not a big factor--any MFD back is going to give you a file with plenty of information. The most important thing is color and tone reproduction. Unfortunately, there is really no silver bullet--you are going to have to set that up for yourself which goes beyond the back into your entire workflow from lighting to CM. Profiling the camera can help a great deal here.

    I use a Linhof C679 view camera with a Phase Back tethered to a computer with 30" monitor. I have a sliding back. An SLR with a T/S Schneider might be a faster way to work. However, you are limited to focal length. For many things, it may not be a problem. With large artwork and limited studio space, it might be.

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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    You have plenty of options and C1 is awesome for tethered which will handle all the Leaf and Phase backs. On the new Credos and Phase IQ USB 3 is still waiting to be implemented . I use my Phase with Firewire 800 but the P65+ is Firewire 400 I believe so need to look at all these connections and whats good for the studio. I can tell you the IQ 160 gets a preview in 2 seconds from capture to screen and that is pretty damn good. A lot of the backs are very fast at this so need to look at all the tech specs on one your interested in. Personally I try and buy the latest and greatest but hell I'm a gear slut too but in the long run with upgrades it works to your favor. All stuff to be looking at for sure. Other thing is what camera / lenses and such will be using but sounds like right off the bat with large pieces you need full frame backs.

    You have a lot of very smart experienced folks here so take your time and figure out your best needs. Worst case at these levels is making a mistake. I would certainly buy from a dealer or someone you know and trust.
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    Quite a few of the smaller shops are switching from the scanning backs to IQ180 for reproduction. You have plenty of resolution and it is much faster and easier to manage compared to a bellows and scanning back. The contrast meter on a better light scanning back would be a nice thing for live view on the IQ.

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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    Hi Egor -

    I would concur with Shashin's response when it comes to best solutions for art repro. The color accuracy and tone is really the thing. And what you'll find is that every product can handle many colors well, but can also miss on others - at least out of the box, with standard profiles, etc.

    I saw suggestions for Leaf A-II 56, A-II 80, Phase P65+. Those are obvious candidates. While an IQ would be nice, I don't know that for dedicated repro work, the extra capabilities would be cost effective. For double duty and other applications - sure, worth considering.

    I think it would be important to do extensive testing over a wide range of color palettes, subjects, and even materials. Some materials have different reflectivity properties that can impact color receptivity by sensors, and the reproduction of the color.


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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    Quote Originally Posted by etrump View Post
    The contrast meter on a better light scanning back would be a nice thing for live view on the IQ.
    There is a contrast meter in Leaf Capture....
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    Wow, really great info! Kind've overwhelming, I mean to answer all and have some more questions but currently have 36 drumscans, two art repro captures, and over 300 handbags staring me in the face...all due....by Friday of course
    I will respond soon as I can, just didnt want anyone to think I was ignoring this great info. Really impressed with the wealth of knowledge on this site! Very glad I found

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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    Recent test between BetterLight 6K stitched (On Left) and IQ180 single pop (on right)
    The subtle tones and gradations in both highlights and shadows of the BetterLight 6K scanback are amazing, but I think with some practice, I could get similar results from the PhaseOne or similar back such as the Leaf. BTW, the IQ180 file is way sharper and punchier, but would have to do a 100% crop to show.
    Great info and will look at the Leaf option as well now. Just buried here but thought I would share one of the tests.
    I print these on an Epson 11880 on Canvas using ORIS RIP or ONYX, depending on file. This original is 72inches by 48inches and will be reproduced same size

    http://www.eprepservices.com/public/BL6KvsIQ180.jpg

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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    You might find this link interesting on using the C1 Pro LCC tool for flat art reproduction: Flat Art Reproduction The Image Quality Professor's Blog

    I've used several Phase One MFDBs for copywork and art reproduction including the P30, P45+, P65+ and IQ180. By far, files from the IQ180 are the quickest and easiest to work with. Considering all the different shapes/sizes of art, I'd opt for a full frame sensor which will handle cropping better.

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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    for pano stuff, you can also use stiching to increase file size... using an Arca RM3D, or CAMBO RS, or Alpa...

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    Yes, the file on the left (BL 6K is stitched and is over 1.5GB in size 16bit) I could have done the same with the IQ180 but just didnt. At 1st glance, the IQ180 loses by a mile, but I have played withe raw capture in C1 and can do better.

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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    -Shashin: what do you use to profile your cameras? I currently use Datacolor Spydercheck, but am open to better solutions.
    I have an old Sinar P 4x5 I could get out of mothballs, what advantages are there to be had by investing in a dedicated large-format repro camera over just using my existing Sinar P? I must say that I like the idea of the slr Mamiya just for ease of use and easier to train.
    Agreed that tone and color reproduction is most important thing, I just always assumed that was a product of DR and sensor sensitivity, similar to PMT scanners like my Tango.

    -Yair: thank you for the info and will contact. Workflow in my studios is a practical compromise of capture stations using Canon dslr's, calibrated IMac 27inch i7's, and Adobe CR using Datacolor checkers. Integration of C1 into this workflow for just 1 new system should be easy, and I may switch all stations to C1 after for consistency.
    Looking at my test files posted, do you believe the Aptus back can match the tonal range and accuracy I am getting from the BL6K? I am aware that the Scanback and Hassy MS systems capture all three colors independently. The operator for the Scanback was a very experienced photographer with that equipment and software, whereas my two MFD tests were done by me over a few hours demo and no experience with these systems.

    -Guy/Yair/Steve/Lance: Can you confirm that the P65 is FW400 only? What about the recommended Aptus backs? LiveView capabilities?
    Right now my main focus is on art repro, but everything and everyone does double and even triple duties in my studios. So I see using the new back for film and print scanning; as well as tabletop and macro up to 3:1. So am considering the Mamiya 120 Macro as well as the Schneider T/S. Because of the limited LV capabilities, I like the idea of an AF lens that gets me close enough so that LV is just for staging. But those are my two lens choices based on my limited observations so far.

    Thanks again for all the info, everybody, very helpful and I have lots of experienced help here, for sure!

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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    Quote Originally Posted by Egor View Post
    -Shashin: what do you use to profile your cameras? I currently use Datacolor Spydercheck, but am open to better solutions.
    I have an old Sinar P 4x5 I could get out of mothballs, what advantages are there to be had by investing in a dedicated large-format repro camera over just using my existing Sinar P? I must say that I like the idea of the slr Mamiya just for ease of use and easier to train.
    Agreed that tone and color reproduction is most important thing, I just always assumed that was a product of DR and sensor sensitivity, similar to PMT scanners like my Tango.

    -Yair: thank you for the info and will contact. Workflow in my studios is a practical compromise of capture stations using Canon dslr's, calibrated IMac 27inch i7's, and Adobe CR using Datacolor checkers. Integration of C1 into this workflow for just 1 new system should be easy, and I may switch all stations to C1 after for consistency.
    Looking at my test files posted, do you believe the Aptus back can match the tonal range and accuracy I am getting from the BL6K? I am aware that the Scanback and Hassy MS systems capture all three colors independently. The operator for the Scanback was a very experienced photographer with that equipment and software, whereas my two MFD tests were done by me over a few hours demo and no experience with these systems.

    -Guy/Yair/Steve/Lance: Can you confirm that the P65 is FW400 only? What about the recommended Aptus backs? LiveView capabilities?
    Right now my main focus is on art repro, but everything and everyone does double and even triple duties in my studios. So I see using the new back for film and print scanning; as well as tabletop and macro up to 3:1. So am considering the Mamiya 120 Macro as well as the Schneider T/S. Because of the limited LV capabilities, I like the idea of an AF lens that gets me close enough so that LV is just for staging. But those are my two lens choices based on my limited observations so far.

    Thanks again for all the info, everybody, very helpful and I have lots of experienced help here, for sure!
    Eric,

    The P65+ is FW400 and the Aptus II series is FW 800.

    The Schneider 120 T/S is an all manual lens, the PhaseOne Mamiya Lens is available as a MF model and AF as well.

    Both the Phase One and Leaf offer Live Preview being tethered to the computer through Capture One, the Leaf can also be tethered via Leaf Capture as well.

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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    Quote Originally Posted by Egor View Post
    -Shashin: what do you use to profile your cameras? I currently use Datacolor Spydercheck, but am open to better solutions.
    I have an old Sinar P 4x5 I could get out of mothballs, what advantages are there to be had by investing in a dedicated large-format repro camera over just using my existing Sinar P? I must say that I like the idea of the slr Mamiya just for ease of use and easier to train.
    Agreed that tone and color reproduction is most important thing, I just always assumed that was a product of DR and sensor sensitivity, similar to PMT scanners like my Tango.

    -Yair: thank you for the info and will contact. Workflow in my studios is a practical compromise of capture stations using Canon dslr's, calibrated IMac 27inch i7's, and Adobe CR using Datacolor checkers. Integration of C1 into this workflow for just 1 new system should be easy, and I may switch all stations to C1 after for consistency.
    Looking at my test files posted, do you believe the Aptus back can match the tonal range and accuracy I am getting from the BL6K? I am aware that the Scanback and Hassy MS systems capture all three colors independently. The operator for the Scanback was a very experienced photographer with that equipment and software, whereas my two MFD tests were done by me over a few hours demo and no experience with these systems.

    -Guy/Yair/Steve/Lance: Can you confirm that the P65 is FW400 only? What about the recommended Aptus backs? LiveView capabilities?
    Right now my main focus is on art repro, but everything and everyone does double and even triple duties in my studios. So I see using the new back for film and print scanning; as well as tabletop and macro up to 3:1. So am considering the Mamiya 120 Macro as well as the Schneider T/S. Because of the limited LV capabilities, I like the idea of an AF lens that gets me close enough so that LV is just for staging. But those are my two lens choices based on my limited observations so far.

    Thanks again for all the info, everybody, very helpful and I have lots of experienced help here, for sure!



    Eric -

    Keep in mind the Schneider 120mm T/S has a longer minimum focus distance compared to either the Phase/Mamiya 120mm AF or Manual Focus Lens (2.8' vs 1.3').


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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    As others have mentioned, the back is only the start. Don't expect to get there with canned profiles and/or curves. So far I've got to about 90% tonal/colour accuracy with my Aptus II-8 for repro work. The ability to get a better tonal response and colour accuracy using custom profiles and curves is beyond my current ability though I'm looking into options, hopefully not quite necessary for the work I'm doing. We'll see, the boss who although he has never taken a single photo in his life, has a pixel peeping ability which is beyond anything I have ever managed myself over a decade of professional pixel peeping .
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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    Quote Originally Posted by Egor View Post
    -Yair: thank you for the info and will contact. Workflow in my studios is a practical compromise of capture stations using Canon dslr's, calibrated IMac 27inch i7's, and Adobe CR using Datacolor checkers. Integration of C1 into this workflow for just 1 new system should be easy, and I may switch all stations to C1 after for consistency.
    Looking at my test files posted, do you believe the Aptus back can match the tonal range and accuracy I am getting from the BL6K? I am aware that the Scanback and Hassy MS systems capture all three colors independently. The operator for the Scanback was a very experienced photographer with that equipment and software, whereas my two MFD tests were done by me over a few hours demo and no experience with these systems.
    I did a test last year at one of the universities in London, comparing an Anagramm Production2 scanning back (312MP) to an Aptus-II 12, using the same Linhof RD-1 body and Rodenstock 180mm lens

    IMO the results from the back were better than from the scanning back with better DR and tonality of all the colours and less noise and it was also sharper. When you think about it, these scanning backs use line sensors that are 12-15 year old design and we're comparing them do the latest CCD and digital technology

    -Guy/Yair/Steve/Lance: Can you confirm that the P65 is FW400 only? What about the recommended Aptus backs? LiveView capabilities?
    Right now my main focus is on art repro, but everything and everyone does double and even triple duties in my studios. So I see using the new back for film and print scanning; as well as tabletop and macro up to 3:1. So am considering the Mamiya 120 Macro as well as the Schneider T/S. Because of the limited LV capabilities, I like the idea of an AF lens that gets me close enough so that LV is just for staging. But those are my two lens choices based on my limited observations so far.
    Thanks again for all the info, everybody, very helpful and I have lots of experienced help here, for sure!
    The older Aptus backs use FW400 and the newer Aptus S and Aptus-II backs use FW800. All are compatible with FW400 or 800 if you use the correct cable.

    The tethered Live View on the Aptus-II in combination with Leaf Capture is considered to be the best in MF. This is not a CMOS-based DSLR mind you, but it does a very good job in a repro environment. For still life it also works well as you can drop an overlay in with the required layout

    If you go down the view/ repro camera route with electronic shutters (Schneider or Rollei) then you control them remotely and capture directly from Live View, the Software will close the shutter/ aperture and will trigger the camera for you.

    If you're on Macs and employ ACR/ Bridge workflow then you can use Leaf Capture for CAPTURE and have the images come up in Bridge

    Worth a demo I believe
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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    maybe this will be useful:
    versalab

    if you can lightly touch the surface, maybe with a paper in between, this will get your film plane parallel to the subject plane quite easily

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    Jim, thanks, that looks a lot less expensive than zip align. Problem is, I rarely get that precise about being exactly parallel to flat art. I do due diligence and all and try and get close enough, then shoot at least F11 and fix any perspective errors in photoslop. Many of the originals I shoot, especially the big ones, are not very flat anyway. These things are stretched on wood, and they warp and twist. The painting shown in my post there was over 5inches difference between the peaks and valleys!

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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    Egor,

    You and others may find this link useful. It is a comparison from a while ago between an Anagram scan back and the Leaf Aptus II12 just after its release, prior to the IQ180 shipping that I stumbled upon.

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    A portion of my work is art repro and I have the Leaf 80mp back and can tell you the area where the 80mp backs win is in workflow. It's much faster to shoot a single frame. I have convinced myself by looking at my own files that for ultimate image quality the 9um microstep backs from hasselblad and sinar are the best. I also had a CF-39 multishot back that also was really quite good. Multi-shot reveals texture and feel - not just detail. Unfortunately it takes about 20 times as long to shoot one of those backs in microstep mode as the Leaf 80 and sometimes it takes a few tries if something moves or shakes. I have been doing a double sharpen of the leaf files - first in C1, then another pass in LR with detail slider up close to 100 to get more feel to the files. I've not used a scanning back for my own work but have tested one at another photographers studio. I wouldn't want one for the same workflow reasons.

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    EH21: yes, workflow and ROI are high on my list of priorities as well. I tested a Hasselblad 200mp MS system in here as well. The results were outstanding, but unfortunately, not enough to justify the increase in workflow time$ needed. I figure if I am going to go that route, might as well go with the even more laborious scan back route. We don't get too many of these things in per week, but it is growing as a market segment.
    ROI is different for every small biz on a given piece of equipment. For us, I am leaning toward 2nd tier MFD used, like a 60MP mamiya sytem (Leaf, Phase...etc) because it will put us above the "fray" enough to return the investment before 35mm dslr tech catches up.
    My client artists need a reason to have me shoot their artwork over themselves or their neighbor's kid with a Nikon D800. Know what I mean?
    That having been said, I will test the new Nikon under studio enviro and multistich techniques we have developed to see how close it gets. I mean, come on, the ROi for us on the Nikon is measured in weeks, not years
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    This test was over a week ago, but thought I would add to my posts.
    I needed to produce a billboard campaign for a major footwear company.
    Normally I would shoot this job with a Canon5d2 and stitch, or shoot film and drumscan in studio on our Tango.
    I got ahold of a D800 and D800e and Nikkor T/S 85mm

    My initial experience with the D800 today was a bad one, but much of it may have had to do with the fact that I am used to Canon gear and software. I am unfamiliar with the Nikon way of doing things, and they are different enough to matter 1st day experience vs. 20+ years. So take anything I say with that in mind.

    Camera: Nikon D800. it's fine, USB3 is not native on Macs so a minor annoyance

    Lens : 85mm T/S pretty much the same as my Canon 90T/S except a little bigger. Not sure, but lens was manual aperture as well as manual focus. There was some kindve aperture preview button....I don't get it, maybe I just don't know how to use the Nikkor or I got an older model; but my Canon 90TS is smaller, lighter, better, sharper, and more automated than this thing.

    Capture Software: It took me a while but I finally figured out that Nikon sells their capture software separate. It took three downloads and two updates but finally established handshake between Camera and computer. Again, I like the Canon Utilities way better, all controls are right there in one small easy to understand pane.*

    LiveView: no comparison, Canon's blows this thing away. Expandable windows, multiple grids and masks, adjustable separate overlays and exposure/color balance, moveable zoom feature...I have no idea why but LiveView on the Nikon/85TS combo was dark, clunky and slow. Must have missed a button or something? Seriously, it was pretty bad in comparison.*

    Images: 36mp = 103MB RGB 8bit that it did. Shadows were noiseless and smooth. Overall color when profiled was OK but a little on the yellow/red side, hard to remove because it was dependent on surface reflections. Overall I would say that the D800 at least is not sharp. Perhaps the D800E is sharper to my liking.

    So there it is, my 1st impression of the D800.*
    Not great, Not as good as my 1st impression of the IQ180 or H50 backs.
    I do not think I will go that route. (D800). Prolly fine for advanced amateurs but for production work in a studio, not happenin

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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    Egor, may I inquire what approach you use to profile your cameras?

    Thanks
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    Re: MFD for Art Repro?

    Hi Paul,
    I use a DataColor Spydercheck 90-patch and Spydercheck software to profile individual cameras/lighting setups. If I need to get more into it, I use existing Heidelberg Scan Profile software and Macbeth software.
    I am open to suggestions.
    The datacolor stuff creates a CameraRaw profile or a profile for LR or C1 and we have found it to be pretty accurate with the Canons. Dont own a MFD yet but am moving in that direction and will want to know what is recommended.

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