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    Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

    FYI:

    Sinar has reduced the recommended enduser price of the following Sinarbacks and Sinar Hy6 Camera Systems, as per now and until end if December 2008:

    A. Sinarbacks eMotion & eVolution

    1. Sinarback eMotion 54 LV (22 MPx)

    New Price Euro 6'037.- (old Euro 8'524.-)

    2. Sinarback eMotion 75 LV (33 Mpx)

    New price Euro 16'778.- (old price Euro 21'939.-)

    3. Sinarback eVolution 75 H (33 Mpx)

    New price Euro 16'778.- (old price Euro 21'939.-)

    B. Sinar Hy6 Camera Systems

    1. Sinar Hy6-e54

    New Price Euro 11'372.- (old price Euro 14'018.-)

    2. Sinar Hy6-e54r (with revolving adapter)

    New Price Euro 12'128.- (old price Euro 14'872.-)

    3. Sinar Hy6-e75

    New price Euro 17'500.- (old price Euro 20'671.-)

    4. Sinar Hy6-e75r (with revolving adapter)

    New price Euro 17'805.- (old price Euro 22'500.-)

    5. Sinar Hy6-v75

    New price Euro 17'500.- (old price Euro 24'329.-)

    Please contact your local distributor for more details.

    Best regards,
    Thierry

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    Re: Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

    Nice!

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    Wow, tempting! What happens after December though? I doubt I will be able to pick up a 54 LV in that time-frame. Are there refurbished units too?
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    Re: Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

    Dear Carsten,

    I doubt there will be any price increase after December 2008.

    Refurbished or second-hand units are handled through our distributors.

    Best regards,
    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    Wow, tempting! What happens after December though? I doubt I will be able to pick up a 54 LV in that time-frame. Are there refurbished units too?

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    Re: Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

    Thierry:

    These prices are really great!!! Does the Sinar Hy6 camera system price also include the "standard" 80 mm lens?

    This is looking very tempting:
    4. Sinar Hy6-e75r (with revolving adapter)

    New price Euro 17'805.- (old price Euro 22'500.-)

    $24,082 USD....as of today.

    Thanks in advance and regards,

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    Re: Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

    Hi Thierry,
    I am surprized by the price difference between the eMotion 54 and the 75.
    Besides 22 vs 33 MP - are there any other essential differences?

    Could you also comment on difference between the dalsa backs and the 65 back (Kodak).
    How much "ISO-advantage" would the 65 offer compared to the 54 and the 75?
    I unedrstand different pixel count and smaller sensor, bigger display, Micro lenses, probably faster.
    But if we talk about pure IQ, would the 54 sensor have any disadvantages vs the 65(again-besides MP)?
    Thanks, Thomas

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    Re: Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

    I must say that I can't blame Sinar.

    They are just trying to stay competitive with the others.

    Hasselblad started it by dropping their bodies and backs 40%.

    Now we have to see what Leaf will do.

    However it is a bummer for people that recently purchased an outfit.

    Regards,

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    Is someone blaming them? That is LL Here we are just happy.
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    BTW, I wasn't referring to myself!

    I didn't purchase my Hy6/75LV to sell 5 years later with a profit.
    It's just a tool of the trade and a bloody good one too!
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    Re: Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

    Finally someone has pointed out the obvious! No matter what, these are just parts of our tool box. Okay a major one but a tool nevertheless.

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    Thanks Don!

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    Yes, thanks Don! These tools are simply here to help us produce an image as we see it...nothing more.

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    Re: Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

    Dear Jeff,

    Yes, the Sinar Hy6 camera system kits do all include the new Schneider 80mm AFD, as well as the WLF.

    Best regards,
    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Turner View Post
    Thierry:

    These prices are really great!!! Does the Sinar Hy6 camera system price also include the "standard" 80 mm lens?

    This is looking very tempting:
    4. Sinar Hy6-e75r (with revolving adapter)

    New price Euro 17'805.- (old price Euro 22'500.-)

    $24,082 USD....as of today.

    Thanks in advance and regards,

    Jeff

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    Re: Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

    Dear Thomas,

    It is always difficult, beside pixel count, to compare the IQ of different backs. One thing is sure, the 65 goes higher (and with higher IQ) in ISO than the eMotion 54 LV (limited to ISO 400).
    The other difference between these 2 backs are the electronics and the shooting speed, and the type of files generated: I remind here that the 65 (Sinarback eSprit 65) is the very first digital back to have "on-board" processing and generating directly DNGs, JPGs, RAWs or a combination of it.
    That alone makes a big difference between these 2 generation of backs.

    Concerning the general IQ, I believe that the eMotion 54 produces outstanding data and images: I refer here to some users posting their images on this forum on a regular basis, among others, Graham (foto-z). Those users can certainly better speak about their experiences with this back.

    I hope this helps.

    Best regards,
    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    Hi Thierry,
    I am surprized by the price difference between the eMotion 54 and the 75.
    Besides 22 vs 33 MP - are there any other essential differences?

    Could you also comment on difference between the dalsa backs and the 65 back (Kodak).
    How much "ISO-advantage" would the 65 offer compared to the 54 and the 75?
    I unedrstand different pixel count and smaller sensor, bigger display, Micro lenses, probably faster.
    But if we talk about pure IQ, would the 54 sensor have any disadvantages vs the 65(again-besides MP)?
    Thanks, Thomas

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    Re: Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

    Good to see Sinar responding to the realities of the market place. For those of us who paid a bit more than these new prices (which includes me) let me suggest that it's in our interest for the manufacturer of the back we've chosen to remain in business and prosper. I can live with the debate of whether my Contax 645 is "dead or alive" but I really, really don't want to be having that discussion about my Sinar back

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    Thierry,

    After the price drops, I am seriously considering getting a 54LV rather than the Kodak Pro I was previously considering, but I am not very familiar with the Sinar series of backs. Is there somewhere I can go to read about:

    1) The nomenclature.
    - I read somewhere that 54 means (roughly) 5000x4000.
    - 54 vs. 54M vs. 54MC vs. 54LV vs. 54R vs. 54H
    (ignore the fact that some of these don't exist, I just want to understand the naming.)

    2) The performance/specs. The current backs are on the site, but not the old ones.

    3) Reviews. I would like to compare with Phase One P25 etc.

    I am looking for a back for my Contax 645. Initially I will be using it for dusk-architecture shots, and possibly some product-style studio shots. I will surely test it for portraits as well...
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    Thierry,

    I have another question: I want to buy a digital back, but in fact I don't want any of the extras that the dealer network offers. I am not a pro, don't know a lot about digital MF equipment, and cannot at this point ask intelligent questions. But, I am a fanatical photo hobbyist, and I want to learn.

    What I really want is to buy the equipment, and read the documentation, maybe buy an an extra book or two, read them, and then start using it, asking questions on forums like this. I cannot stand dealers like Calumet, because they are incredibly snobby, and give you bad service if you are not pro, and don't already know what you are doing. In my experience, most fancy dealers are like that. Capture Integration and a couple of others might be the exception here, but I am in Berlin, not the States. What I really want is to go to your website, find the items I want, drop them in a shopping cart, and check out.

    Why don't you do this? You would just need to have a forum where I could ask questions, and some decent documentation, and that would be it!

    I would say that for me, this is probably the primary reason why I am not already using digital MF equipment. The whole system is just way too complicated, and I want simplicity and transparency.
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    Re: Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

    Carsten,
    I'll let Thierry respond for himself but, for whatever it's worth, here's a few thoughts I have on whether shooting MF digital is complicated. My experience is that it can be almost as simple as a point and shoot, certainly as simple as shooting with one of the 35mm DSLR's while at the same time offering you the opportunity to learn and grow as a photographer with almost unlimited horizons. As far as the manufacturer selling direct from their website, that might sound appealing to you, but there are many of us that appreciate the support we get from knowledgeable dealers. If you are making the investment in MF you're entitled to some support and hand holding. Guy has expressed this on many occasions. My experience with Sinar is that, indeed, they are quite responsive to the end user's needs when there is a problem... but I don't think they are set up to do some of the handholding. I've been through my learning curve with MF and have found this forum and it's members have a wealth of knowledge and a great willingness to share it. Bottom line... you're already in the right place, you just need to realize it

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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    3) Reviews. I would like to compare with Phase One P25 etc.
    I have posted many samples, even a huge layered Photoshop file with a stack of the same image at different ISOs. Use the search and you should find it.

    By the way, there is only one eMotion54 and it has live view. Sometimes people call it the e54 and sometimes the e54LV.

    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    I am looking for a back for my Contax 645. Initially I will be using it for dusk-architecture shots, and possibly some product-style studio shots. I will surely test it for portraits as well...
    It will be great at those applications. I shot this tonight with the e54:


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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    What I really want is to go to your website, find the items I want, drop them in a shopping cart, and check out.
    The problem there is many people need the feeling of security from a dealer, and want someone to spend time with them. Others can just unwrap and box themselves and start using it. If Sinar sold more cheaply online, it would undermine the dealer network. There's no great solution to this.

    Btw, there are cheap and quick flights between Berlin and Tallinn. You are welcome to come and try the e54 out here for yourself if there is nowhere to do so in Berlin, although you would need to use my Rollei as i don't have a Contax adapter plate.

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    David K, I certainly don't have a problem with the sales channel *existing*, and I would not expect hand-holding from Sinar, just good documentation, and the occasional question. I mentioned the possibility of a forum, because in my experience, in a good forum, other users answer most of the questions, not tech support. I would expect to ask most of my questions here, in fact, and only the most specific, technical questions on the Sinar forum.
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    Graham, it is really nice of you to offer, but part of the problem here is that I am starting from level zero I doubt I would be able to learn anything useful by trying out a device for an hour at this time. This is not to say that I won't come to Tallinn though

    I am willing and able to learn on my own, but would not expect to do it on someone else's time. I just need to futz around on my own, find my own bottlenecks, and then search for solutions to them. I don't expect that taking the first shot with a back would be that hard, but I am not looking at MF for just another camera system, but rather, to achieve the highest technical quality possible, for certain kinds of shots (essentially, what I can't do well with a Leica M8).

    There is just a lot to learn about MF in general. Lens cast shots (?), colour, developing, tethering, and on and on. Just a whole other world. I would be more comfortable going through the baby steps alone, and bothering others only when I am a little more advanced and can ask intelligent questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    Thierry,

    I have another question: I want to buy a digital back, but in fact I don't want any of the extras that the dealer network offers. I am not a pro, don't know a lot about digital MF equipment, and cannot at this point ask intelligent questions. But, I am a fanatical photo hobbyist, and I want to learn.

    What I really want is to buy the equipment, and read the documentation, maybe buy an an extra book or two, read them, and then start using it, asking questions on forums like this. I cannot stand dealers like Calumet, because they are incredibly snobby, and give you bad service if you are not pro, and don't already know what you are doing. In my experience, most fancy dealers are like that. Capture Integration and a couple of others might be the exception here, but I am in Berlin, not the States. What I really want is to go to your website, find the items I want, drop them in a shopping cart, and check out.

    Why don't you do this? You would just need to have a forum where I could ask questions, and some decent documentation, and that would be it!

    I would say that for me, this is probably the primary reason why I am not already using digital MF equipment. The whole system is just way too complicated, and I want simplicity and transparency.
    Carsten,
    I am a hobby-photograper as well and went to the contacts through the website of phasem Hasselblad and Sinar.
    I have to say that all the guys I have contacted so far have been quit nice and gave me a lot of info despite they know that I will probably buy just 1 body+back+ maybe 1 or 2 lenses.
    After a lot of reading and asking I am now somewhere between Contax and Hy6, and between Sinar 54 and 65 back.
    Viele Grüße, Tom

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    Re: Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    There is just a lot to learn about MF in general. Lens cast shots (?), colour, developing, tethering, and on and on. Just a whole other world. I would be more comfortable going through the baby steps alone, and bothering others only when I am a little more advanced and can ask intelligent questions.
    Carsten,
    I think you're on the right track but want to encourage you to ask all the questions with no fear of appearing foolish for lack of knowledge. I have done this myself and found that some of the questions I was reluctant to ask weren't as foolish as I thought, and that others had similar or related difficulties. For example, I couldn't figure out how to convert my Sinar files to DNG's, either in Sinar's eXposure or in the Brumbaer tools. I kept looking for an "import" command or some such thing. Turns out all you needed to do was select the files and drag them to the folder of your choice. I'll confess to feeling a bit knuckle-headed but I can assure you that I had several communications from other people who had the same problem. To me, if there's one thing that makes this forum a special place it's that lack of needing to be a "pro" just to ask a question or without feeling inadequate.

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    Re: Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

    Hey Tom,

    it seems that we have taken different paths to end up in the same place How did you rule out the Mamiya, and the Phase One backs? I ended up with the Contax 645 and am considering Sinar and Phase One backs. If you are ever in Berlin, you are more than welcome to come and have a look at the Contax, in case you don't have access to one to make up your mind. It is a lot cheaper than the Hy6, of course, as are the lenses. On the other hand, no official support...

    David,

    thanks a lot for your welcome, and I do like this MF forum a lot. The LL forum has perhaps more "high-profile" pros, but those guys argue a lot! It is a lot more cozy around here, and I feel much better asking questions. Anyway, although I now more or less have my camera kit done, I still need a back, which will most likely take a few months...
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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    Hey Tom,

    it seems that we have taken different paths to end up in the same place How did you rule out the Mamiya, and the Phase One backs? I ended up with the Contax 645 and am considering Sinar and Phase One backs. If you are ever in Berlin, you are more than welcome to come and have a look at the Contax, in case you don't have access to one to make up your mind. It is a lot cheaper than the Hy6, of course, as are the lenses. On the other hand, no official support...
    Carsten,
    For me it is about the question if I want the MF-system to handle more like my Nikon system or if I want the MF as something different, where I would photograph in a different way. Years ago I have used a M645 with waist level finder and liked the waist level finder. I also like the idea of being able to not have a camera in front of my phase when photographing people.
    The Hasselblad could be a compromise, but the waist level finder seems to be made of plastic and not foldable- I am not sure if it would give me what I want. However there are some very good offers for used H3IID-39 cameras which are tempting.
    The phase system would be a logic choice for me because I still own 3 manual Mamyia lenses to start with (35,70,150mm) - but also here I dont know if it will give me the MF-feeling I am looking for.
    Overall I think I would benefit more from the focal plane shutter (dont do much flash-photography) but I think 1/1000 would be also fine for me - so the shutter would not be the main decision factor.

    Another thing are lenses and character. Here I get the feeling that the Schneider and Zeiss lenses might be the better choice for me because I am looking for a smooth and natural look (for example I prefer the look from the Leica 28asph compared to the 24/2.8).
    NOw Hy6 vs Contax I see as following:
    Contax pro:
    price, smaller size
    Hy6 pro: 6x6 (should be an advantage for waist level finder shooting), all metering possible with wlv, faster AF, I really like the form factor and look of the camera, but expensive (specially lenses)
    Overall it will be more an emotional than a brain decision for me.
    I guess I need some more time to stru´ggle with myself and to collect info, and I should force myself to get my hands on some equipment before I buy.
    Best, Thomas

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    Re: Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

    Dealer support is a critical part of the equation. Contrary to previous posts, this stuff is hardly no-brainer for most people. Sometimes it is difficult to sort out what is user error from what is a real issue with the gear.

    On-line info is not always reliable ... I've seen a load of internet mis-information even on this forum ... fortunately it's usually corrected by a dealer or company rep. or a highly experienced user that's gone through the same thing. But if it isn't caught in time, the mis-information can sometimes deepen the problem rather than resolve it.

    My dealer is available in the same time zone as I'm in and I have his cell phone number for after hours help. I've used this feature to sort out issues in real time so I can get back to shooting as fast as possible.

    a good Dealer is also a user avocate when dealing with the company, and often has direct lines of communications with the correct person to solve a problem.

    Big Box stores have no up side when buying a digital back. They cost the same or more, and the support is very difficult to get after the sale.

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    Re: Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

    Great news. I hope they drop the adapter kits to a more reasonable price.
    i think they are very very expensive that make in practise the versatility of the Sinar system not as good.

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    Re: Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

    Dear Carsten,

    1. Nomenclature of Sinarbacks

    Sinar is using the same way for naming its Sinarbacks since the very first model, the Sinarback 22 (2000 x 2000 pixels):

    - SB 22 (4 MPx), SB 23 (6 MPx), SB 43 (11,6 MPx), SB 44 (16 MPx), SB 54 (22 Mpx)

    Then there are the Sinarback eMotion series:

    - Sinarback eMotion 54 (22 MPx), Sinarback eMotion 75 (33 MPx)

    The Sinarback eVolution serie:

    - Sinarback eVolution 75 H (33 MPx) with multi shot function

    And the new Sinarback eSprit serie:

    - Sinarback eSprit 65 (31 MPx)

    The Sinarback 54 existed in 3 versions, discontinued now:

    - The Sinarback 54 S (single shot)
    - The Sinarback 54 H (multi shot)
    - The sinarback 54 M (for Mobility) and thereafter the 54 MC (Cooled), also single shot.

    - The Sinarback eMotion 54 LV: LV stands for the Live Video function

    2. Specifications

    Discontinued backs are not longer on our website, yes.

    Let me know which back in particular you which to have the specifications and provide me with an email address: I will send it to you.

    3. I am not aware of any reviews published, but may others do.

    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    Thierry,

    After the price drops, I am seriously considering getting a 54LV rather than the Kodak Pro I was previously considering, but I am not very familiar with the Sinar series of backs. Is there somewhere I can go to read about:

    1) The nomenclature.
    - I read somewhere that 54 means (roughly) 5000x4000.
    - 54 vs. 54M vs. 54MC vs. 54LV vs. 54R vs. 54H
    (ignore the fact that some of these don't exist, I just want to understand the naming.)

    2) The performance/specs. The current backs are on the site, but not the old ones.

    3) Reviews. I would like to compare with Phase One P25 etc.

    I hope this answers.

    Best regards,
    Thierry

    I am looking for a back for my Contax 645. Initially I will be using it for dusk-architecture shots, and possibly some product-style studio shots. I will surely test it for portraits as well...

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    Re: Price Reduction Sinar Hy6 - 54 & Sinar Hy6 - 75 Camera Systems & Backs

    Dear Carsten,

    since you are based in Germany, you can actually buy from our distributor's on-line shop. I am not sure if the prices are really that cheaper, since we are still bound by after-sales servicing and offering the same warranty (3 years). But you can do it and Sinar Germany is selling quite a few complete systems like this.

    Here Sinar Germany's site:

    http://sinar.de/

    and the online shop:

    https://shop.strato.de/epages/Store1...Shops/15493234

    Then there is also and always the possibility to buy directly from the Sinar factory, in Switzerland: it needs to visit Sinar and pay upon delivery of the goods.

    I hope this answers and helps.

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    Thierry,

    I have another question: I want to buy a digital back, but in fact I don't want any of the extras that the dealer network offers. I am not a pro, don't know a lot about digital MF equipment, and cannot at this point ask intelligent questions. But, I am a fanatical photo hobbyist, and I want to learn.

    What I really want is to buy the equipment, and read the documentation, maybe buy an an extra book or two, read them, and then start using it, asking questions on forums like this. I cannot stand dealers like Calumet, because they are incredibly snobby, and give you bad service if you are not pro, and don't already know what you are doing. In my experience, most fancy dealers are like that. Capture Integration and a couple of others might be the exception here, but I am in Berlin, not the States. What I really want is to go to your website, find the items I want, drop them in a shopping cart, and check out.

    Why don't you do this? You would just need to have a forum where I could ask questions, and some decent documentation, and that would be it!

    I would say that for me, this is probably the primary reason why I am not already using digital MF equipment. The whole system is just way too complicated, and I want simplicity and transparency.

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    !!! I don't understand this a "just"! This is quite an investment.

    Anyway, you should expect the same type of service and support WHATEVER you plan to purchase, or even if you do not plan to.

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    Carsten,
    ... despite they know that I will probably buy just 1 body+back+ maybe 1 or 2 lenses.
    Tom

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    It's a little bit farther, but you have as well my invitation to come and visit me in Bangkok, Thailand. I have no problems to spend a couple of days to show you the basics. Seriously, if by chance you are in the region any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    Graham, it is really nice of you to offer, but part of the problem here is that I am starting from level zero I doubt I would be able to learn anything useful by trying out a device for an hour at this time. This is not to say that I won't come to Tallinn though

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    Dear Aitor,

    I wish simply to remind that the adapters are not just a cheap (though precise) piece of metal: there are internal electronics and sometimes even firmware included, to allow all the communication.

    Such an adapter plate is not cheap to produce.

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    Great news. I hope they drop the adapter kits to a more reasonable price.
    i think they are very very expensive that make in practise the versatility of the Sinar system not as good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    I should force myself to get my hands on some equipment before I buy.
    Definitely! The feel is so different, and I have totally different reactions to the equipment. I have an old 500C and I love the thing to death, but the new H-series leaves me totally cold, similar to the feel I get from Canon cameras now. The Leica M and the Contax 645 have a similar simplicity and tight focus on the task at hand, although I have to admit that the feel of the Leica is better. The Mamiya was out of the question for me since I can't use a waist-level finder, and the Hy6 due to price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    It's a little bit farther, but you have as well my invitation to come and visit me in Bangkok, Thailand. I have no problems to spend a couple of days to show you the basics. Seriously, if by chance you are in the region any time soon.
    With a newborn on my hands, it could take a while, but I would definitely like to take you up on that one day!

    Thanks for the info on the backs. I understand that the eVolution series is for tethered studio use, and the eMotion for portable use. What is the eSprit then?

    The Sinar shop seems not to have the new prices yet. On the other hand, if by buying online I would get exactly the same hardware for the same price, but with less service/support options, then that doesn't seem to attractive. I will look into it when my bank account gets a little fatter.

    I am mostly interested in the cheaper backs, for my first attempt, so I would compare a new e54LV to the Kodak Pro (cheaper, less capable), the P21, P22 and P25, and perhaps the e54MC. Do you have a PDF for the e54M/MC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    !!! I don't understand this a "just"! This is quite an investment.

    Anyway, you should expect the same type of service and support WHATEVER you plan to purchase, or even if you do not plan to.

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    Thierry,
    I meant "just" compared to a professional phtographer.
    I also expect the same service but today one is used that it is not allways the case. (However I have good experience with the people I have contacted so far in Germany.)

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    Tom, which dealers have you visited?
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    hi Carsten,

    - the SB 54 M or MC is sold out, but we have from time to time some refurbished backs. Pls. provide me with your email that I can send you: no attachment possible here.

    - I am not sure about the prices on the Sinar DE online shop: you would have to check it out.

    - as for the Sinarback eSprit 65 or the Hy6 - 65 camera system, I refer to following earlier threads, they will give you very detailed information about it:

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showth...?t=3089&page=4

    and prices here:

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showth...?t=3304&page=2

    But basically, this back is the very FIRST digital back with onboard processing, generating directly DNGs, JPGs or RAWs, or a combination of it.
    Also, the first high-res 3" LCD display with 640x480 ppi, among others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    With a newborn on my hands, it could take a while, but I would definitely like to take you up on that one day!

    Thanks for the info on the backs. I understand that the eVolution series is for tethered studio use, and the eMotion for portable use. What is the eSprit then?

    The Sinar shop seems not to have the new prices yet. On the other hand, if by buying online I would get exactly the same hardware for the same price, but with less service/support options, then that doesn't seem to attractive. I will look into it when my bank account gets a little fatter.

    I am mostly interested in the cheaper backs, for my first attempt, so I would compare a new e54LV to the Kodak Pro (cheaper, less capable), the P21, P22 and P25, and perhaps the e54MC. Do you have a PDF for the e54M/MC?

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    Dear Aitor,


    Such an adapter plate is not cheap to produce.
    I understand this. Anyway, I still consider them too pricy.

    Thierry,
    Does you know the prices of tne adapter plate for a Contax645 and for a P3 ? Or a updated website where I could check them ?.
    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aitor View Post
    I understand this. Anyway, I still consider them too pricy.

    Thierry,
    Does you know the prices of tne adapter plate for a Contax645 and for a P3 ? Or a updated website where I could check them ?.
    Regards
    I find it neat that they are made at all. Many other manufacturers have no plates, and you must pay $3000 to change the mount! Sinar's method is great, in comparison. I presume you simply buy an (expensive) plate for the first back, and forever after you keep it and just buy new backs, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    . I presume you simply buy an (expensive) plate for the first back, and forever after you keep it and just buy new backs, right?

    I donn´t know. I have those adpater por my Sinaback23HR but don´t know if they work with the emotion 54 or other.
    I presume every different back have their own plates

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    Each back model has its dedicated plate for a certain camera platform.

    e.g., the Sinarbacks eMotion series (22, 54, 75) use a certain adapter plate for the use on the Sinar Hy6. When one then wishes to change to a e.g. Contax 645, one has simply to get the eMotion/Contax 645 adapter, unscrew 3 screws and mount the Contax adapter. This takes 2 minutes, at the very maximum.

    You DO NOT have to buy a new back!: the very same back can/is used on different camera platforms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    I find it neat that they are made at all. Many other manufacturers have no plates, and you must pay $3000 to change the mount! Sinar's method is great, in comparison. I presume you simply buy an (expensive) plate for the first back, and forever after you keep it and just buy new backs, right?

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    No, your SB 23 adapter (for whatever camera you have it), won't fit on an eMotion back.

    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by Aitor View Post
    I donn´t know. I have those adpater por my Sinaback23HR but don´t know if they work with the emotion 54 or other.
    I presume every different back have their own plates

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    Having looked through this thread some information looks to be missing and Thierry is working hard to list it all.
    I am responsible for the http://www.image2output.com site and I try to ensure it has all the information as downloadable/emailable pdf's
    this includes the HY6, camerabacks, cameraback adaptors as well as service and operator notes.
    We also soppert Foba and other manufacturers products so integration of systems is also interesting for us. I believe all the above is covered including pricing, please let me know if I missed anything and I will happilly add it.

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    Edwin if you could do us a favor and actually put the info for image2output in the commercial vendor section that would be a better spot than in threads which tend to die off and this type of info get's lost due to inactivity and many threads being added to the forum. The commercial vendor area is more a permanent spot for referencing for members and much less posting so that info does not get archived as fast. Thanks Guy

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    Thanks Guy, thats good advice, consider it done
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    Thanks for the members a great place to find vendors we are looking for. Also a dangerous place. LOL
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