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    Flare solutions for Tech Cameras

    Just thought I'd share a new product that I picked up recently for flare busting with my Alpa. If you're shooting from a vehicle (or got a big bag) then take a look at the Nasty Clamps flag tool - NastyClamps.com! Home of the Flexible Photography Clamp!

    I was using mine this weekend in some pretty horrible side lighting conditions and using grads. This works a treat:
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    Re: Flare solutions for Tech Cameras

    Nice find Graham! Another one to look at is the "Flare Buster" -- similar concept, but a smaller, lighter weight version that will fit in a side pocket of your bag!
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    Re: Flare solutions for Tech Cameras

    Yes I have the flare buster but nowhere to fix it alas on my Alpa. A longer version with a clamp would work though.
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    Re: Flare solutions for Tech Cameras

    I have a Ebony hot shoe clip version that I use and I use my CC passport as the gobo. Its kind of cool but obviously I used a iPhone than I need something else.
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    Re: Flare solutions for Tech Cameras

    So maybe we need a getdpi challenge! There must be someone with a creative solution for gobo/flare guard for a camera with no hot shoe or obvious other mount points - maybe a NASA Apollo XIII type of creative challenge.

    In my case I do have a spare Arca plate on the camera (I have one on the bottom & one on the side for rise/shift orientation). A flare buster/clamp with Arca clamp would work.

    The nasty clamp version does have other uses - snow shovel, pancake spatula, fly swat, etc etc Small and compact unfortunately aren't it's strong features.
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    These are pretty neat! Keep a big twangy blowy thing clamped to the tripod rather being a sail on top of your camera!

    For other uses it could assist in helping you bond more with your dog whilst indulging in photography, could double as pooper scooper and you'd not need to leave the area behind the camera, perhaps not even remove it from the tripod.
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    Re: Flare solutions for Tech Cameras

    Catch the wind with this guy and it could pull down even my 5561SGT ok, not really but it stays exactly where you put it - no wimpy leaning over under the weight of a fly landing on the flare blocker.
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    ROTFLMAO
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    Re: Flare solutions for Tech Cameras

    Graham:

    You really should contribute a shot to "Behind the Scenes" with this; it looks like the Mars Rover.

    Use a solar cell for the shade and you could charge the battery!

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    Re: Flare solutions for Tech Cameras

    Not being sarcastic, but can't you just block the light with your body or hand or hat, rather than using one of these? I am not sure what benefit this has?

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    Tom, that's funny, but actually a really good idea!

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    Re: Flare solutions for Tech Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    Not being sarcastic, but can't you just block the light with your body or hand or hat, rather thaGn using one of these? I am not sure what benefit this has?
    Answer: no. Well, it kind of depends on how many shots withs caps, fingers, and other odd body parts inadvertently end up entering into super wide shots. I want to set it and forget it and use my other two hands to operate the three hands worth of camera operations ...
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    Re: Flare solutions for Tech Cameras

    Graham, brothers in thought?

    I have realised the same solution only a few days ago....and the reason is exactly the same as yours - with the 28 I caught part of my hand shading the lens very often and that is irritating.

    It took some time before I found the black shading sheet. It is a thin plastic sheet stiff enough to stay up, but flexible enough to bend if there were a gust of wind not risking the equipment.

    It works splendid.

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    Re: Flare solutions for Tech Cameras

    How is that mounted to the tripod? Looks about as svelte as mine

    I make no apologies about being any good at keeping out of my shots!

    Btw, that looks like a Manfrotto arm (that I actually have) - is that a special tripod mount?
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    It's anything but svelte

    It is a heavyduty studioclamp and fastens around anything round, from thin to very thick legs or poles. I like to put mine around the centrecolumn.
    In this snap I have put it around the leg so you can see it better...

    This clamp takes a number of different accessories, I bought two flexarms, in the first image there is only one, but I can if needed extend it to twice that length.
    My initial idea was to use an umbrella, but that didn't work out at all with wind catching it and just moving it about. This plastic sheet was perfect.

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    Aha - super clamp with flex arm - yes I have that. However, whatever you say, it works!
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    Re: Flare solutions for Tech Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by tsjanik View Post
    Graham:

    You really should contribute a shot to "Behind the Scenes" with this; it looks like the Mars Rover.

    Use a solar cell for the shade and you could charge the battery!

    Tom
    As it happens .... That's why I shot it. Watch for an update! Including a shot that looks just like you mentioned - lunar rover pulling a 6000lb Land Rover
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    Not being sarcastic, but can't you just block the light with your body or hand or hat, rather than using one of these? I am not sure what benefit this has?
    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Answer: no. Well, it kind of depends on how many shots withs caps, fingers, and other odd body parts inadvertently end up entering into super wide shots. I want to set it and forget it and use my other two hands to operate the three hands worth of camera operations ...

    In the real world outside, this does not work, because the sun is always moving!

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    Re: Flare solutions for Tech Cameras

    The Sinar Hood Bellows Mask 2 (533.21.000) is a good solution, as it has 4 independently adjustable "roller- blind" screens... so, when you are shift-and-stiching, you can baffle for each shot... I am thinking that this will be very good for interior shots where there is not where to put the light except for in the (other half or) shot.

    It is not very portable... the mount is Sinar P or P2 5 * 4 inch bellows/lensboard, so the best Ώonly? way to mount it on a P3 is, I think, on a spare 54 standard on an extended monorail, using a 5 * 4 inch to 100mm conversion bellows as a lens hood... not very cost effective unless you have this kit lying around, or it you can pick it up for peanuts on eBay. (Somehow, over the years, I have accumulated 8 Sinar standards.)

    I got the number off the box, and I cannot find it on the Sinar Website.

    I have never used it, opened the box yesterday an it is still in the cellophane packaging, but one of the blinds will not move!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dick View Post
    In the real world outside, this does not work, because the sun is always moving!
    I have just added Warks, UK, to my visitinglist. I have never experienced the sun to move THAT quickly anywhere in the world before
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    Dan,

    this is OT, just out of curiousity: why do you have a second tripod plate at the side of your Max? Is it to overcome the vertical movement limitations of the SK28 on the Max or why/when do you mount it sideways?

    Chris
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    Cly,

    Simple reason is that I then have a choice if I want to reposition the back itself OR turn the camera for a portrait format shot. It can be comforting in harsh conditions not to fiddle with the back.

    I also have the possibility to go beyond the normal 18mm horizontal shift if I planned a 3 to 1 pano. With my SK 120 I can go 22mm left and right but then I need the camera on the side, actually, both sides (I have a third plate). With the sturdy Gitzo and rock solid Linhof head this is doable. I rarely do this since I am more of a 2 to 1 pano guy though.

    So, main reason is one extra plate for easy turning format!
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    Re: Flare solutions for Tech Cameras

    Im reading this and I just realized the Cambo lens hood which will fit any tech cam via hot shoe adapter

    It folds flat too

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    Re: Flare solutions for Tech Cameras

    If you don't mind hanging it off the front element you can also use the LEE wide angle bellows too. That folds flat and is easy to carry in the bag. In all cases with bellows though I find that it gets more and more difficult to reach the shutter controls plus they tend to act as sails (and in my clumsy experience, very easy to bump between exposures).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Im reading this and I just realized the Cambo lens hood which will fit any tech cam via hot shoe adapter
    The problem with the Alpa Max is that with fall or rise the camera body moves in relation to the lens mount (or vice versa if you don't use the stitching adapter). If you attach something like the Cambo solution to a hot shoe on the Max you need a lot of vertical 'adjustability', much more, I suppose, than the Cambo hood can offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    Simple reason is that I then have a choice if I want to reposition the back itself OR turn the camera for a portrait format shot. It can be comforting in harsh conditions not to fiddle with the back.
    Thanks, Dan - that's comforting indeed, I'll try that myself!

    Chris

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