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Example for a future MF Design

gazwas

Active member
$2995 :bugeyes:

So when Phase eventually release the DFII, do we think it will retail at a similar figure? :LOL:
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
The second video has the most interesting sentence:

It´s an open system allowing about all lenses and peripherals.
the pro editing software worth 1500 $ is free included in the package.

hmmmm......
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
Actually that is pretty cool and we need to remember they will not make these for film anymore so you don't need a shutter and you don't need a mirror box. So a design like that is very feasiable in the future . With that goes a viewfinder and you need CMOS and Live View. Honestly as nice as that may sound but you take my viewfinder away I'm hanging it up. I don't want to shoot video cams that make still images. But thats me
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
One of the features I also really like is the SSD slot ! Well this idea is so obvious that I had asked myself for some time when someone would do it.
SSD´s are now cheaper than these ultraexpensive CF cards (Probably the most overpriced products ever!) and probably 10-50 times faster plus up to 1 TB now (around 1000 $ OWC) . You will not need to shuffle your work to a backup drive or copy the files to your laptop, when you come home just do a speedcopy to your NAS or Raid and or you can even edit directly from the SSD.

While I don´t like the actual screen resolution of the Blackmagic, I think using a 5" screen as AMOLED with the same resolution like an Apple retina as the Iphone will be around 2000 Pix and enable a large nice loupe giving you probably the best viewfinder one can imagine. Make this even tiltable and I believe the optical viewfinders will be forgotten before their name is spelled for the last time.

Regards
Stefan
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
Something else to water the mouth:

Remote Control:1 x 2.5mm LANC for Rec Start/Stop, Iris Control and Focus Control

Computer Interface:Thunderbolt port for capture of RAW video and audio.

USB 2.0 mini B port for software updates and configuration
 

Shashin

Well-known member
Well, I am a still photographer and that would simply be a horrible design. You could never hold it. Vertical framing would even be worse with the clunky way they designed the camera. In short, yuck.
 

gazwas

Active member
While the design is good for video, possibly is not that great for stills but regardless, what I get from this is a small company (similar size to P1?) can release a new design of camera and like no other currently available on the market that has taken several years and much £€$ in R&D costs with an, all be it cheap 4/3 sensor included, to be released in July for a little as $2995.
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
Me too Gerald, but of course with modifications. I would love to have a rotating sensor like the Aptus R models. And - the software needs of course to be photographic. I think a decision must be made. It should be possible to also take a video if "needed" but only occasional. There also should be Wifi (which is probably impossible with video right now but very much usable with single images - even large ones).

there is so much more, but I want to listen first what other people say.....:)

Regards
Stefan
 

torger

Active member
Isn't CMOS required for this type of design? And large size CMOS is a no-go, isn't it? Just too expensive to develop?

What can we do if we must stay with CCD for large sensors? Better cooling could give us more DR and long exposures. But a decent live view or video and such stuff seems basically impossible. With these limitations I still think it is possible to be a bit creative though.

I have photographed quite some landscapes with a 5Dmk2 using live view, and now I'm using an Aptus 75 on a Linhof Techno with sliding back (i e focusing and composing on ground glass). Do I miss the live view? Well, yes, but the ground glass is not too bad either. What would be a very useful tool with the GG is an electronic 30x loupe with external LCD. There are such things, I may try it, but they are probably not light-sensitive enough since they are designed for lighting up the subject with LED light. I've used a DSLR with a macro lens to test the concept, and focusing gets as good as live view.

Another thing I have noted is that a small LCD on a camera is not really as good as it could be concerning image review. It does happen I get surprises when I look at images back home on the computer, it also happened with the 5Dmk2. Putting a tilted focal plane exactly right when photographing a flower is a typical example when things may go wrong despite careful look at live view and review. I think the problem is that the image you see on the camera screen is too small and too low resolution.

Immediate display of shot pictures on a high resolution tablet would be a more useful tool than the live view. If I could use the same tablet as display for that light-amplifying electronic loupe my current Techno system would exceed my DSLR in ease of use.
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
Antonio

when you watch the videos, there is a part where they explain that the 2,5 k resolution will be downsampled for postproduction. This will improve noise, moiree, smoothness and some more. I am not a video specialist but this sounds pretty convincing to me.

Regards
Stefan
 

yaya

Active member
This concept must be making a few people at RED quite nervous....

with 800 native iso it might not be as versatile as some of the Canon/ Panasonic/ Sony cameras out there though and will make it a bit difficult to get that shallow DOF that everyone is so crazy about these days...unless it's got some built-in ND filtering magic...
 
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Stefan Steib

Active member
Hi Yair

Wasn´t there a choice of 400, 800 and 1600 Iso ?

Well what is probably most tempting is the price- especially if you take into account that a full color grading DaVinci License is in the package. So the camera is actually cheaper than a 5D MK2.

I love the SSD Idea ! Also the downsampling for getting better image quality and using standard exchangeable lenses.With the canon mount they can use about any old nice lenses Zeiss,Contax, Leica......... as we do it with the HCam.

Finally the industry is moving into the right direction !

Regards
Stefan
 

thrice

Active member
Where are all the manual dials/controls? I wouldn't be interested in a camera where I have to dive into menus for everything.
 

Stefan Steib

Active member
Daniel

if you want full remote control this is the only way, manual dials mean- these dials probably will not be set remotely - or you need to do these double.

Regards
Stefan
 

Paratom

Well-known member
Interesting how different our expectations are.

I think the thing looks horrible. How do you hold such thing (even when you put it on a tripod).
To me it looks like a mixture between a blown up I-Phone and one of those small portable Canon printers.
I wouldnt call it a camera - I would call it "image-computer".
I bet it gets a design price but I dont think I would understand how to get it under control for a fluent and intuitive workflow.
 

Shashin

Well-known member
And if we don't want remote control? Stefan, I don't think you understand your customer base. I need a camera that is going to work in the field. Something I have to operate in all kinds of condition including while wearing gloves. Not something that need lots of power and something where I can see settings while the camera is hanging around my neck. I need to change exposure mode, ISO, EV, AF/MF, shutter speed, and aperture quickly and easily. Now if you think sales are in fair-weather cameras that are going to sit in studios on top of a tripod stand and operated through a computer, that would be this camera. That is a very narrow market. I certainly would not be a customer, for either the location or studio work I do.

Naturally, dials do not mean the camera cannot be controlled remotely. The dial positions could be overridden by the remote software. It would just take a little imagination on the designer's part.

You seem to like to slam the industry for not making what you think is the ideal camera. When do we see a new Hcam showing how things should be done?
 
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