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    David Grover / Phase One

    Hi Forum,

    I have been pretty quiet over the past few weeks as I have been going through a career change!

    Today I start with Phase One as their Business Support & Development Manager in the Software Department. I am working in a great new team who have made me feel very welcome today.

    I have a lot of tasks ahead of me but ultimately we want you to have the best experience when using Capture One.

    So, Ill still be around, just with a different name.

    I look forward to continued discussions with you all.

    Cheers,


    David
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    Re: David Grover / Phase One

    Welcome home, mate
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    Lol.

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    All the best for your new career.

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    Re: David Grover / Phase One

    Hard keeping this secret for a couple weeks but glad to see David in his new role at Phase and I not only wish him the best but the crew at GetDPI welcomes him back in new shoes. LOL

    Best of luck and lets see some great stuff in C1 now.
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    Re: David Grover / Phase One

    Glad to have you back on the board!
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    All the above! Congrats on the return.

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    Re: David Grover / Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by David Grover / Phase One View Post
    Hi Forum,

    I have been pretty quiet over the past few weeks as I have been going through a career change!

    Today I start with Phase One as their Business Support & Development Manager in the Software Department. I am working in a great new team who have made me feel very welcome today.

    I have a lot of tasks ahead of me but ultimately we want you to have the best experience when using Capture One.

    So, Ill still be around, just with a different name.

    I look forward to continued discussions with you all.

    Cheers,


    David
    Interesting move, David. Phase is fortunate to have you.
    Given your new role, I hope that you use your new "influence" to take a fresh look at a couple of issues I have with the raw conversion of my IQ 180 files. The first is that the architecture of Capture One is built around Sessions. I hate them and the way they force me to adapt my way of working with and organizing my files to the Sessions way of working with and organizing my files. Moreover, at this point Capture One is just really kludgey and non-intuitive compared to Lightroom and Aperture. I would be ok sticking with Lightroom for everything, but it does not appear that Phase One has made the same committment to Lightroom that Hasselblad has made, so that the file conversion quality out of Lightroom is "just as good" as Capture One is for IQ files. I know you are intimately familiar with what Hasselblad achieved for its files in Lightroom. I can attest that Lightroom does a great job now with Hasselblad files as I have used it for a number of my legacy files. If Phase does the same with Lightroom, it would be a huge thing for me and I believe many others who would prefer to use Lightroom.
    Best regards.

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    Welcome David in your new role.

    Are you ready to take our Wish List?

    I would like to view the images on iPad after capture w/o the need of C1. I believe if Leaf can do it, then Phase should be able to do it, since Phase One owns Leaf now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subrata1965 View Post
    Welcome David in your new role.

    Are you ready to take our Wish List?

    I would like to view the images on iPad after capture w/o the need of C1. I believe if Leaf can do it, then Phase should be able to do it, since Phase One owns Leaf now.

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    Leaf is not able to do that.

    The only direct-to-iPad options out there are with options like the WiFi adapter for Canon/Nikon and the MyFi card. All of those options, in my opinion, are junk. They may add utility in some specific situations/use-cases but they are inflexible, slow, inconvenient, often error prone or unstable, and provide very few of the benefits of shooting tethered (naming/rating/organization/styling-on-the-fly).

    The issue with going direct to an iPad is that it's an incredibly powerful phone, but it's a really under powered desktop. To do actual raw processing with any sophistication on a 80mp, let alone 22mp raw file, is simply not possible at this point.

    I suspect we may we better/tighter/faster/more-powerful tethering direct to an iPad in the next 2-3 years, but we aren't going to see it next month or even this year (IMO). If someone is able to do it I suspect it will be Phase One due to their unique market position making both market-leading hardware and tethering software. But of course I'm biased :-).
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    Re: David Grover / Phase One

    Congratulations David.

    Who's gonna keep Doug under control now?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick-T View Post
    Who's gonna keep Doug under control now?
    Yes, who's going to shout out for HB now?

    Hope all goes well in the new role. It seems like only a month or so ago that I had a call from you after taking over Paul's role and now you've defected to the other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick-T View Post
    Congratulations David.

    Who's gonna keep Doug under control now?

    As long as they aren't both going to sing the same song I don't mind much. Would be nice though if someone else at HB takes over what David was doing but I somehow doubt this. I think Doug needs it too...
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    Re: David Grover / Phase One

    sounds like there only 4-5 guys in the industry and they keep changing places!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustbak View Post
    As long as they aren't both going to sing the same song I don't mind much. Would be nice though if someone else at HB takes over what David was doing but I somehow doubt this. I think Doug needs it too...
    I'm always in favor of each major brand having an educated rep to back it. When David worked for Hassy he fit the bill perfectly, and I hope everyone would agree that both of us showed a lot of mutual respect for each other with only occasional mistakes from a generally amiable and gentlemanly interaction. It's almost less fun now having him on the same side .

    I sincerely hope Hasselblad will have someone replace David's former role as that out-reach individual. For all my qualms with Hasselblad I'd be the first to tell you they make some great products with some great unique advantages that deserve to be trumpeted. Moreover every company benefits from having someone who receives valid/well-though-out criticism from it's users and potential users, and the forums provide that.

    Alpa seems to have recently gone a different route while Phase (David, myself, Steve), Leica (Farkas), Cambo (myself, Steve), and Arca (Rod, myself, Steve) all seem to recognize the value of providing direct outreach outside of normal/traditional channels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    sounds like there only 4-5 guys in the industry and they keep changing places!
    True, though there is a trend in which direction they seem to be heading :-).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick-T View Post
    Congratulations David.

    Who's gonna keep Doug under control now?

    I was wondering the same thing. i kind of liked there little jabbing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustbak View Post
    As long as they aren't both going to sing the same song I don't mind much. Would be nice though if someone else at HB takes over what David was doing but I somehow doubt this. I think Doug needs it too...
    LOL I got my eye on him don't you worry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    sounds like there only 4-5 guys in the industry and they keep changing places!
    That creates the illusion that there are many more
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick-T View Post
    Congratulations David.

    Who's gonna keep Doug under control now?

    I should mention that I have the greatest respect for Doug, I know through various other sources how much good work he does for the Phase One brand. Who knows maybe Hassy will give Doug a job one of these days

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    I would like to view the images on iPad after capture w/o the need of C1. I believe if Leaf can do it, then Phase should be able to do it, since Phase One owns Leaf now.
    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    Leaf is not able to do that.
    Can you please explain that? Do you mean Leaf took away that feature when they came up with high megapixel DB?

    Please check this:.

    By the way, to show the image on iPad, you really don't need to export the entire file to iPad. A lighter .jpeg with 72 dpi will do that job.

    And just don't jump onto me again... I understand very well that at the moment Phase doesn't have any simultaneous JPEG capture like 35mm DLSRs. However when MFDB back is showing image preview, I'm confident that it is internally generating a preview file to display on the LCD.

    Subrata

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    Quote Originally Posted by subrata1965 View Post
    Can you please explain that? Do you mean Leaf took away that feature when they came up with high megapixel DB?

    Please check this:.

    By the way, to show the image on iPad, you really don't need to export the entire file to iPad. A lighter .jpeg with 72 dpi will do that job.

    And just don't jump onto me again... I understand very well that at the moment Phase doesn't have any simultaneous JPEG capture like 35mm DLSRs. However when MFDB back is showing image preview, I'm confident that it is internally generating a preview file to display on the LCD.

    Subrata
    From the Leaf link you posted:
    "The App is free from the Apple store, and works in tandem with Leaf’s Capture server, which must be installed on your computer."

    The Leaf capability also relies on tethering to a computer. The heavy-duty processing has to occur somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    From the Leaf link you posted:
    "The App is free from the Apple store, and works in tandem with Leaf’s Capture server, which must be installed on your computer."

    The Leaf capability also relies on tethering to a computer. The heavy-duty processing has to occur somewhere.
    Got it. I didn't notice "Leaf’s Capture Server" which was at the bottom. My bad!

    However, since Phase DB is generating a preview for LCD, some processing is already happening. Question is how to save that smaller preview and transmitting to another device.

    Another CF/SDHC card slot could be an option to save a smaller file (8x10 @ 72 dpi) and transfer that via Blue Tooth.

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    Re: David Grover / Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by David Grover / Phase One View Post
    Hi Forum,

    I have been pretty quiet over the past few weeks as I have been going through a career change!

    Today I start with Phase One as their Business Support & Development Manager in the Software Department. I am working in a great new team who have made me feel very welcome today.

    I have a lot of tasks ahead of me but ultimately we want you to have the best experience when using Capture One.

    So, Ill still be around, just with a different name.

    I look forward to continued discussions with you all.

    Cheers,


    David

    Congratulations on your new role, David. Phase One has added a significant resource to their team. Hopefully Hasselblad will follow suit and fill your spot with someone that brings the same astuteness to the table that you did.


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    It would be great if Phase/Leaf could figure out how to take a "screen shot" of the file on the high res display and have the user select to send that to your iphone/ipad without tethering.

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    ..and Congrats David!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick-T View Post
    Congratulations David.
    Who's gonna keep Doug under control now?
    Ahh, my experience shows that will not really be possible ;-)

    I already said as much in meat space, but David is not nearly as old as my mental vision had put him. It is great to actually meet people, and I think we have a lot of things to discuss.

    For those in the forums, that means that bugging David is *NOW* is your fast-track to get your input to Phase ;-)

    Welcome David!

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    Quote Originally Posted by subrata1965 View Post
    I understand very well that at the moment Phase doesn't have any simultaneous JPEG capture like 35mm DLSRs. However when MFDB back is showing image preview, I'm confident that it is internally generating a preview file to display on the LCD.

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    Your confidence is unfounded...

    Note that DSLRs achieve their blindingly fast RAW-to-JPEG processing using dedicated ASICs. Those of us whose day job is to look at images at 1600% still don't think that most out-of-camera JPEGs can match a good RAW processor.

    Do we really want to develop dedicated hardware just to be "good enough"? Possibly, given a use case that is sufficiently compelling, but please understand that we do not normally peddle in "good enough".

    (At least not until our hands are forced by shipping dates looming too close for comfort.)

    We damn well try to do the best we can, screw the constraints! It must obviously run on actual hardware, but we are used to putting quality first and it would hurt to settle for less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EsbenHR View Post
    Your confidence is unfounded...

    Note that DSLRs achieve their blindingly fast RAW-to-JPEG processing using dedicated ASICs. Those of us whose day job is to look at images at 1600% still don't think that most out-of-camera JPEGs can match a good RAW processor.

    Do we really want to develop dedicated hardware just to be "good enough"? Possibly, given a use case that is sufficiently compelling, but please understand that we do not normally peddle in "good enough".

    (At least not until our hands are forced by shipping dates looming too close for comfort.)

    We damn well try to do the best we can, screw the constraints! It must obviously run on actual hardware, but we are used to putting quality first and it would hurt to settle for less.
    Yes, I would prefer a "good enough" for preview, but not to hang 40" x 60" print on the wall. Any day, iPad will be a better preview device than back of the LCD.

    Whether you want to develop it or not, that is a strategic decision of your Product Manager.

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    Welcome back David, I can see that your position at Phase will be very similar to the one you held before.

    Regardless of what side of the fence you stand your knowledge and help is always appreciated.

    So there can be no misunderstanding I may be a Hasselblad employee but I am not a spokesperson for the company within this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EsbenHR View Post
    Ahh, my experience shows that will not really be possible ;-)

    I already said as much in meat space, but David is not nearly as old as my mental vision had put him. It is great to actually meet people, and I think we have a lot of things to discuss.

    For those in the forums, that means that bugging David is *NOW* is your fast-track to get your input to Phase ;-)

    Welcome David!
    Nice to know my youthful appearance is still alive and well. Lol. Its all that expensive cosmetic surgery.. injections... chemical peels...

    I certainly look forward to the input. Much of it, I am sure we all can agree on.

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    ...and thanks everyone for the nice welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hcubell View Post
    Interesting move, David. Phase is fortunate to have you.
    Given your new role, I hope that you use your new "influence" to take a fresh look at a couple of issues I have with the raw conversion of my IQ 180 files. The first is that the architecture of Capture One is built around Sessions. I hate them and the way they force me to adapt my way of working with and organizing my files to the Sessions way of working with and organizing my files. Moreover, at this point Capture One is just really kludgey and non-intuitive compared to Lightroom and Aperture. I would be ok sticking with Lightroom for everything, but it does not appear that Phase One has made the same committment to Lightroom that Hasselblad has made, so that the file conversion quality out of Lightroom is "just as good" as Capture One is for IQ files. I know you are intimately familiar with what Hasselblad achieved for its files in Lightroom. I can attest that Lightroom does a great job now with Hasselblad files as I have used it for a number of my legacy files. If Phase does the same with Lightroom, it would be a huge thing for me and I believe many others who would prefer to use Lightroom.
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    Hi Howard and thanks for the comments.

    My personal experience with Lightroom is that it has quite a fast pick-up time as Adobe are very good at walking you down the path they want you to take, workflow wise.

    As a newcomer to Capture One I can see that there are a lot more powerful features and more scope to do things how you want to do them. However, it does take a bit more time to get your head round that, but then you are rewarded.

    So ideally we want the best of both world's, flexible interface with the freedom to dictate your personal preferences, in an easy to understand way. Its a bit of a challenge but its not impossible.

    As to sessions - I can see that these are not necessarily applicable to every kind of photography but have their own advantages as well. Lets see what we can do in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subrata1965 View Post
    Yes, I would prefer a "good enough" for preview, but not to hang 40" x 60" print on the wall. Any day, iPad will be a better preview device than back of the LCD.
    Sorry, I did not express myself clearly. I just wondered whether it would make sense to put resources into making the back produce reasonable JPEGs if we know they will be inferior to a "real" RAW converter.

    Obviously it would be fine for previews. However, the same resources could also be used to produce better images instead. I don't think it is an obvious decision either way. It is certainly a challenging problem (and hence fun to work on), but I suspect we would be frustrated by the compromises we would have to do quality wise.

    Thankfully, I am not a product manager :-) I also think my coworkers appreciate that fact ;-)

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    Have to say, we love sessions. Each book we photograph is a seperate session and it makes organisation very very easy for tethered shooting. At first I didn't see the point coming from wedding photography but for tethering it is a very good solution. Honestly, not having sessions would be a royal pain in the neck for us.

    You don't have to use sessions of course...
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    I am another who finds sessions indispensable.
    The feature conveniently allows an entire shoot to be natively organized and exportable by just copying the session files.
    Now if there were a cross-session browser and cataloger that did not depend on a separate application (and a fragile one at that), well that would be an improvement.
    Actually I use C1 it both ways, but usually in sessions.
    The improvement would be a complete integration of a media browser/searcher with metatagging capability with the current stand-alone and session structure.
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    David,

    Best wishes in your new endeavor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    Have to say, we love sessions. Each book we photograph is a seperate session and it makes organisation very very easy for tethered shooting. At first I didn't see the point coming from wedding photography but for tethering it is a very good solution. Honestly, not having sessions would be a royal pain in the neck for us.

    You don't have to use sessions of course...
    I do understand that there are a number of C1 users that find Sessions useful or even important to their workflow. My guess is that they shoot tethered. Fine, please use them. However, I know how I want to work and I don't want to have ANYTHING to do with Sessions. I organize all of my photographs by location and date. A separate folder for each set of files. When I download files off a card, the raw files go into a new or existing folder. I can navigate ok in C1 to a folder on my hard drives, but C1 keeps trying to force me to deal with Sessions by asking me whether I want to open a new or existing Session. That's bad enough, but the program simply will not allow me to say I don't want to open a new OR existing Session and leave me alone. I have to "pretend" I want a new Session, name it, and then navigate to where I want to go. The fundamental problem seems to be that the Sessions concept is embedded into the architecture of C1. The program simply will not work without a Session. Try to delete all Sessions from the Library pane on the left (or whatever you call it).
    I like what Hasselblad did for the owners of Hasselblad MFD. They said, look, we understand that the owners of our cameras want choices in what software they use. Many of them want to use Lightroom rather than Phocus for raw conversions as well as asset management and printing. We will therefore work with Adobe as hard as we can on the quality of the raw conversions of Hasselbad files in LR and get to the point where we can say with confidence that the conversions out of LR are as good as Phocus conversions. And then they did just that. Very nice!

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    Re: David Grover / Phase One

    there are other threads concerning C1, maybe move the session discussions over there?
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