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    Help please with new tech camera..

    I have been reading for a while posts in this forum and it has been very informative place to get information about MF and tech cams in particular. Now the time has come to ask for your help.

    I'm looking into Phase One p45+ / Cambo WRS, mostly for landscape and on occasion some architecture photography and I do a lot of long exposures.

    I have thought of the D800 but having tried it and compared it to my existing camera the Canon 1Ds Mark III, it did not provide the quality leap that I need. I do like to print big and more importantly I look for optimal quality in tonal transitions and color fidelity as well as clarity and all around sharpness.
    My questions are the following.

    -First on the pricing, without accounting for the back would I be able to have the Cambo WRS and its accessories and two or even three lenses for aprox. $7-8K?

    -I would like to have the ability for both tilt and shift, which long and wide lenses would fit my budget and you would recommend?

    -In term of accessories what would I need?

    -Anything else that I should consider?

    If you know the pricing for each of your recommendations, please let me know.

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    Re: Help please with new tech camera..

    Cambo can supply Schneider and Rodenstock lenses in a tilt and swing base, allowing both movements simultaneously. shift both ways is also provided by the body. This is why i went with Cambo.

    new those lenses with the t/s base are around $4-5K each

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    Re: Help please with new tech camera..

    Thank you Jim, probably I would consider getting only one with the tilt ability and a long one without.

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    Re: Help please with new tech camera..

    While you don't mention where you are I'd strongly recommend contacting one of the site supporters here specifically Capture Integration but then again I'm biased.

    Speaking from personal experience I've found the Cambo WRS/.P45+ a great combination having used the very same setup for several years. While I no longer use the P45+ I'd still highly recommend it.

    A reputable dealer should be able to help you in obtaining a slightly used WRS as well as the P45+. Likewise they should be able to help you along the way in getting the lenses you're looking for. While I don't use tilt I have been using Schneider lenses with good success (35, 72 and 120).

    As to accessories and here you might want to sit down. A very sturdy tripod if you don't have one. Also think about getting the Arca Swiss Cube as it has been by far the best head I've ever owned. You could get a Cambo viewfinder and mask for your lenses however I went 18-months before getting mine so you can do without it for awhile (just my opinion). You can also do without a lenses shade by using a hat or hand but eventually you'll find you need that other hand and might want to look into either a flare buster of Cambo's new lens hood; neither is perfect but one is cheaper than the other and you'll need to feel yourself through your own workflow.

    The one thing to consider is that using any technical camera is a slow deliberate process where nothing is automated. Also just thought of another accessory - some type of measurement device such as a Fotoman or Leica D5 laser (I have them both and use them regularly).

    There's more but I'll let other chime in.

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    Re: Help please with new tech camera..

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    Cambo can supply Schneider and Rodenstock lenses in a tilt and swing base, allowing both movements simultaneously. shift both ways is also provided by the body. This is why i went with Cambo.

    new those lenses with the t/s base are around $4-5K each
    This is a very good reason to get something like a Sinar - full (camera body) movements with all lenses, which you can pick on eBay for a few hundred... now I want 15,000 to convert my lenses to eShutter!
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    Oohh, first rule of MFD.

    1. Never ask for purchasing advise on getdpi.com

    Before you know it you'll have bought and sold 3 digital backs, own 3 cameras, 11 lenses, 4 tripods and a bag full of accessories you don't know what to do with. Love this forum.
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    Re: Help please with new tech camera..

    Posted in wrong thread for some reason?
    Last edited by gazwas; 14th July 2012 at 06:36. Reason: Stupid iPhone

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    Re: Help please with new tech camera..

    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Oohh, first rule of MFD.

    1. Never ask for purchasing advise on getdpi.com

    Before you know it you'll have bought and sold 3 digital backs, own 3 cameras, 11 lenses, 4 tripods and a bag full of accessories you don't know what to do with. Love this forum.
    Being that this is Dante's Inferno we're talking about, I thought about reporting this to a moderator, but didn't see a button, so liked it instead... Hell, didn't we used to have a Buy button instead?

    Last edited by kdphotography; 14th July 2012 at 05:03.

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    Re: Help please with new tech camera..

    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Oohh, first rule of MFD.

    1. Never ask for purchasing advise on getdpi.com

    Before you know it you'll have bought and sold 3 digital backs, own 3 cameras, 11 lenses, 4 tripods and a bag full of accessories you don't know what to do with. Love this forum.
    3 cameras - √
    11 lenses - √
    4 tripods - √
    Bags o' stuff - √.
    3 digital backs -

    I'd better get started....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    Being that this is Dante's Inferno we're talking about, I thought about reporting this to a moderator, but didn't see a button, so liked it instead... Hell, didn't we used to have a Buy button instead?

    At least we'll all be walking rings together in camera weighted cloaks!
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    Re: Help please with new tech camera..

    I think you can cut corners on the Cambo tech camera by opting for the WRS1000, which is the base model without the wooden grips. Estim ~$2700. WRS1050 adds wooden grips (worthwhile) but adds ~$1K. WRS Anniversary Edition AE adds more polish and several more $$$. Phase-Mamiya adapter plate for Cambo is ~$400 or so.

    Best bet would be to determine the best focal length for your photography. My choice is the Rodenstock HR40 on t/s panel, which is a really good match for me. ~$5K

    It's been awhile since I used the P45+, but if your eyes are good, then it's really not too difficult to frame your shot with the LCD rather than a viewfinder. Otherwise a finder is ~$800. Don't forget masks. Apple iphone holder is another option and runs about the same amount of money. Frankly, I've found the IQ series LCD is a game changer in terms of usability and framing; I have no plans on buying a finder.

    Kapture Group cable runs about ~$400.

    Good tripod and Head. RRS TVC series and Arca Cube or new D4 is a good match. Cambo leveling head is also an option.

    WRS 1090 compendium bellows runs about $600-700.

    The most difficult thing is keeping focused on the equipment/gear that you really need for your photography as opposed to: "ooh, shiny..."

    There really is something to be said about using a technical camera with a MFDB. Aside from the quality, it just is simply more satisfying. And all too often that personal enjoyment factor is overlooked everytime a new camera body is released. I'm still in the Canadian Rockies this week and with photographic enjoyment in mind, I brought only my Cambo with one lens only (HR40) and an IR converted little Panasonic GF1. No Phase DF. No DSLR. My camera hiking pack went from ~50 lbs to ~15 pounds total using my new Lowepro Flipside Sport 15L AW. I couldn't be happier!

    I hope you enjoy the Cambo as much as I do! Give Capture Integration a call, maybe do a tech cam workshop and find out more about putting together a rig that matches up with your needs---and enjoyment.

    ken

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    Re: Help please with new tech camera..

    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Oohh, first rule of MFD.

    1. Never ask for purchasing advise on getdpi.com

    Before you know it you'll have bought and sold 3 digital backs, own 3 cameras, 11 lenses, 4 tripods and a bag full of accessories you don't know what to do with. Love this forum.
    Are you talking about Guy?

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    Re: Help please with new tech camera..

    Hi Emmanuel
    Well, I've just made the jump from 35mm digital to MFD with exactly the outfit (more or less) that you are considering.
    The P45+ back cost me 7500 plus VAT. The Cambo Wide DS with 24 and 35XL lenses cost 5500. Both second-hand. The lenses had centre filters included. You'll need a Kapture Group cable for the P45+ - these cost nearly 300 in the UK. The only other item I've found necessary is a flare buster as these lenses are sensitive to direct light.
    I used lens tilt with my 24 TS-E II and 1DsIII all the time as I found depth of field an issue. I also used a polariser a lot just to try to get some colour in the images. I've found lens tilt is less of a necessity because the Schneider lenses have fantastic depth of field (far greater than 35mm lenses) and the P45+ back's colours are so good I use a polariser far less. It wasn't an easy transition (or cheap) but it has been completely worth it.

    You may find my blog post, about the transition to MFD, of interest: Richard Osbourne Art Images | A New Camera! The Odyssey from 35mm Digital to Medium Format Digital Photography

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    Re: Help please with new tech camera..

    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    The most difficult thing is keeping focused on the equipment/gear that you really need for your photography as opposed to: "ooh, shiny..."
    This should be the forum by-line i think.

    Btw, guilty!
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    Re: Help please with new tech camera..

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    This should be the forum by-line i think.

    Btw, guilty!
    I dunno, Graham, I could make a case for shiny. You know, "life is short", "use what motivates you", "you're going to buy it anyway, so make up a good story". That sort of thing.

    --Matt
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    Re: Help please with new tech camera..

    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    I dunno, Graham, I could make a case for shiny. You know, "life is short", "use what motivates you", "you're going to buy it anyway, so make up a good story". That sort of thing.

    --Matt
    Matt, yes, ditto
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Gale View Post
    Are you talking about Guy?
    I think I need it all don't I?

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    Re: Help please with new tech camera..

    fyi, selling a Cambo wrs, P45+, 35mm, 70mm with tiltpanel, and 120mm (normal not macro) with misc. (one shot cable, batteries, Pelican case etc.)
    Apologies for misposting if there is a for sale thread didn't see one.

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    Doh! Found it I'll post over there with details sorry for in advance for cross-post

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    Re: Help please with new tech camera..

    Quote Originally Posted by Carboat View Post
    fyi, selling a Cambo wrs, P45+, 35mm, 70mm with tiltpanel, and 120mm (normal not macro) with misc. (one shot cable, batteries, Pelican case etc.)
    Apologies for misposting if there is a for sale thread didn't see one.
    Is it shiny?



    Great kit. It won't last long on the buy/sell forum....

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    Thank you all for your input.

    Richard, great post on your transitional experiences.

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