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    Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    Hi,

    I'm contemplating getting a tech camera to use with my Mamiya DM22 back (same as Leaf Aptus II 5) and am torn between Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max.
    My main subject is landscape where I often stitch panorama and would like to be able to do multi row stitch as well.

    As I understand it the Cambo Wide RS is capable to do nine shots by only moving the back and as such completely avoiding parallax problems.
    Using the Alpa Max is a bit more complicated as I understand it. You have to shift both the back and the lens to get nine shots, but you can get an adapter to mount the lens on the tripod and that way avoid the parallax problem.

    A 35mm lens will probably be my first choice. Then I can built from there.

    I would love to hear your input regarding the two choices.... (or other for that matter)

    Thanks
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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    my cambo WRS can shift the back +/- 15mm both ways, so that can easliy do a 3x3 stitch. typically, however I do single axis rotation panos to stay in the lens sweet spot. parallax is not a problem for a typical landscape, but if it is, you can rotate about the lens node with a RRS pano clamp rail, for example

    here is an example of a 7 shot pano, portrait orientation, probably the SK 43 lens, IQ160, just using the standard tripod mount

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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    It's easy/fast to do multirow stitching with the Max. A four shot stitch with the Schneider 35 XL I do 10mm both sides on the long side and 8mm both sides on the short side. This keeps the aspect ratio and the edges are absolutely acceptable with the DM22/Aptus 5.
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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    (I also replied to you on LL)

    First it should be noted that in practice the impact of moving the lens a few cm up or down will only matter when there is foreground or mid-ground subject matter. On sweeping panoramas with only background/infinity elements there will be little if any effect. The determinate of moving the lens will be most evident on extreme compositions where e.g. a fallen tree is composed to be coming towards the camera. In such a case it is a large problem bordering on impossible to fix.

    Here is a 9-shot stitch I took in Moab from an Infrared-modified Phase One P21.



    Front lens movement is likely not a big deal if multi-row stitching will only be occasionally used. But if you plan on making that a core part of your workflow then the Arca or Cambo solutions are significantly more elegant, as well as more compact and lighter than requiring an additional accessory and mounting the lens to the tripod.

    With a Cambo Wide RS or Arca R series body the rise/fall/shift movements are all natively on the rear of the camera, such that the lens does not move at all for multi-row stitches. As a bonus tilt is available (natively) for every lens on the Arca as compared to the Cambo and Alpa both of which only offer on specific mid-wide and longer lenses (and Alpa only by means of an additional accessory and special versions of those lenses).

    If you want to extensively stitch you'll want to stick with the lenses with larger image circles, and where available you'll want to use the matched Center Filter for each lens. The Schneider 43XL, 47XL, and especially the 60XL come to mind immediately (based on my own experience rather than just the stated image circles). If you email me I'd be glad to help you understand which lenses will yield what level of wideness with single shots, and 2-9 shot stitches as well as how well each lens will handle the required movements for those stitches.

    We have recently opened a Remote Demo Center with high quality remote teleconferencing, screen sharing, and raw file sharing to provide customers who can't make it to our show floor the opportunity to see the nitty-gritty of working with such systems. We'd be glad to show you around a Cambo or Arca. Full disclosure: we no longer sell Alpa.
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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    Also, I really enjoy doing vertical stitches. Once you have a tech camera and start to explore the myriad aspect ratios easily possible you may find that multi-row stitches are not the only time you use vertical stitching.

    For this particular shot it would not have mattered if there was lens movement, but in others with more foreground content (e.g. a tall tree) it would be critical.

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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    I echo what Doug has posted. I have a photographer friend who just did a 6 shot vertical and 3 shot horizontal, for more sky, image using rotation with the RM3di. It was made into a 10' high by 25' print that is incredible. But usually she uses shifting back for less distortion. With longer lenses the Arca-Swiss RM3di's large throat allows more shift with less mechanical vignetting.
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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    From an Alpa perspective the front shift adapter is a no-brainer accessory for the Max. You just fit it and you're done forever and never need to remove it. People seem to make a fuss about it but all it does is move the mount point of the tripod from the base of the body to the lens mount and that's it. Period. After you have that mounting option in place the entire back/body moves to provide you with a full range of shifts.

    With that mounted as your standard tripod mount you will have the same movements as far as shift is concerned as the Cambo & Arca's.

    Full disclosure - I don't sell any of them but I do use the Alpa (currently TC/STC but originally a MAX).

    P40+, Alpa MAX & stitch adapter mount, SK47 3 image stitch:

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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    Graham, great shot, never see that scene featured in winter.

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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    Thanks guys...

    At the moment I'm leaning towards the Cambo WRS. I like the small overall package compared to the Alpa Max.
    One thing however, on the Alpa you can mount the back vertically or horizontal, is that possible on the Cambo?

    Dough, when I decide on the camera I might take you up on it and shoot you a email..

    Peter

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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    Peter,

    Yes you can mount it either way on the Cambo. It's a very nice camera system that if I weren't an Alpa shooter already I'd be shooting myself!
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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    Thanks Graham..

    One thing I like about the Alpa system though is that you can get the smaller TC or STC to use when you don't need the big MAX...

    Hmmmm decisions decisions..

    Peter

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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    Very true - that's why I have both an STC and a TC for super small travel outfit.
    Remember: adventure before dementia!

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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    It's very easy to switch the back orientation on the Cambo. Not Leaf rotating back easy, but easy.

    My rankings for functionality were #1 Arca, #2 Cambo, and #3 Alpa. But the "it won't let go of my hand" rankings were the reverse. Could I have come to love the Arca? Maybe - I really like their tripod heads. Could I have learned to do everything with an Alpa STC, SWA, or Max? Almost certainly. But I went with Cambo (AE for the nice handgrips, although they're not as nice as the Alpa SWA's, alas), and any remaining failures are, to quote the HAL 9000 computer, "attributable to human error."

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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    Last year,I was faced with the same dilemma and I decided to participate in a workshop organized by Capture Integration in Bretton Woods where Guy and Jack were instructors.In 3 days,I had a chance to test Arca and Cambo with IQ180 coupled with almost any lens that you can think of from Rodenstock and Schneider.At the end,I returned home with Cambo WRS AE,IQ180,Rodenstock 23,40 T/S and 70 T/S.I am so happy ,I mean really happy with my system.If I would have to choose one lens,I would definetely go with 40 mm.I should give special credit to everyone from Capture Integration.The service they provided was truly remarkable.
    If you want to see some samples from my pictures taken with Cambo,
    visit my site at Ziya Tacir and please feel free to ask any questions you might have.
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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    Ziya.

    on the workshop for trying this stuff out.

    The CI session in Bretton Woods was great, as have been the sessions that Jack/Guy have arranged in the past such as Death Valley also with CI's assistance. I know that CI still run these and they are great way of finding out what you want and even if you factor in the cost of attending it'll save you a bundle compared to making the wrong decision and changing later.
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    Guy is an especially good resource, as he's owned every camera ever made.
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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Ziya.

    on the workshop for trying this stuff out.

    The CI session in Bretton Woods was great, as have been the sessions that Jack/Guy have arranged in the past such as Death Valley also with CI's assistance. I know that CI still run these and they are great way of finding out what you want and even if you factor in the cost of attending it'll save you a bundle compared to making the wrong decision and changing later.
    CI in Carmel (PIAB) is in the works---February 2013. The emphasis is going to be on technical cameras and MFDBs.

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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    Guy is an especially good resource, as he's owned every camera ever made.
    My ears where ringing even here in NY
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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    Thanks again all, very helpful info....

    I think I'm inclined to go the Cambo way, the size and all the movements on the back is what really suits me.
    Going to a workshop would be wonderful, but I'm located in Denmark and the options here are quite limited in regards to getting my hands on the gear before buying..

    My tripod system is Really Right Stuff, what do you Cambo users use as a quick release plate?
    I have tried searching the RRS website, but cant find anything suitable..
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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    There's a thread on ALPA plates here: http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/medium...ing-plate.html

    It should give you a general idea. No doubt Don or John, or some other Cambo users will have something to add.
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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    I've had a Cambo WRS since shortly after it was released and love as much today as I did when I first got it.

    Lightweight, (even after adding the wooden handles) easy to use, actually I can't find anything I don't like about it. I've never had a problem or concern with the movements and have found it easy to use both with and without gloves. I like the fast ability of switching lenses and can switch the back orientation with little problem.

    Others may look sexier however I'm very pleased with my WRS.


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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    re: Cambo, not much to it

    to allow for enough shift down, the cambo has a riser on it's base onto which I have a fairly generic RRS baseplate.

    on my tripod head (a cube) i replaced the Arca quick clamp with a RRS screw clamp, (not necessary, my preference is for the screw clamp)
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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    You should wait for at least a week, Photokina is around the corner. Alpa is coming out with a new camera, and who knows what others might have.... Just don't want you to make a hasty decision, when new stuff is coming out.

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    Alpa new camera?! Really??
    Can't wait to find out :-)
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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    Quote Originally Posted by Pemihan View Post
    Thanks again all, very helpful info....

    I thing I'm inclined to go the Cambo way, the size and all the movements on the back is what really suits me.
    Going to a workshop would be wonderful, but I'm located in Denmark and the options here are quite limited in regards to getting my hands on the gear before buying..

    My tripod system is Really Right Stuff, what do you Cambo users use as a quick release plate?
    I have tried searching the RRS website, but cant find anything suitable..
    I have a Cambo WDS - cousin to the WRS, with an IQ180 back.
    Re the plate I was luck enough to have access to the resource to machine up a custom quick release plate to fit my RRS head. Yes I would like an Arca Swiss D4 head but just can't fine the spare cash at present.

    The one thing I would look seriously at if buying another 'technical camera', given the rather limited experience I have had, is the alternative focus systems. Lots on this forum about that subject.

    Enjoy your decision making.


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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    Quote Originally Posted by rayyen View Post
    Alpa new camera?! Really??
    Can't wait to find out :-)
    Have a look here :

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/medium...na-2012-a.html

    I have confirmed information , that the new ALPA will come true .
    There will be more information during the week .

    Check for the ALPA homepage here : ALPA OF SWITZERLAND - Hersteller herausragender Kameras - Start

    I am impatiently waiting for more information too , as I will not be visiting PHOTOKINA .
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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    Quote Originally Posted by Pemihan View Post
    I'm located in Denmark and the options here are quite limited in regards to getting my hands on the gear before buying..
    It is a 40 minute train trip from Copenhagen to where I live. You are welcome to come over and try out my Alpa system before you commit. Bring your own flashcard and shoot away....
    You can see below in my byline what I have in my bags
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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    It is a 40 minute train trip from Copenhagen to where I live. You are welcome to come over and try out my Alpa system before you commit. Bring your own flashcard and shoot away....
    You can see below in my byline what I have in my bags
    That is a very great and friendly offer , Dan .
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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    It is a 40 minute train trip from Copenhagen to where I live. You are welcome to come over and try out my Alpa system before you commit. Bring your own flashcard and shoot away....
    You can see below in my byline what I have in my bags
    Thank you very much for your generous offer Dan. I would really like that...
    However I'm on my way to Latvia shortly, but maybe sometime early October.

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    Re: Cambo Wide RS or Alpa Max

    And thanks for all the new input as well, it's very helpful...

    Peter

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