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    Help re tech camera lenses please

    I'm contemplating moving to a tech camera. I would use it with my Phase IQ 180. I particularly need tilt for landscape work; I'm less interested in shift and wide image circles.

    From reading posts here it seems the favoured makes are Schneider and Rodenstock. So what are the best in the 45-55 range, the 75-90 and 150 mm ranges?

    Thanks!
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    Bill,
    Since you are not too concerned about wide shifting, both Schneider and Rodenstock would work for you. In general, from about 50mm down Rodi's are more popular because of shifting (they are retrofocus so the light hits the sensor at less of an angle). I had the Schneider 43xl on the IQ180 and I thought it did quite well, although you cannot shift it much because of the color cast. That's the widest you are thinking of, so I don't think you should worry too much about that issue.

    In general on the wide end 40 - 70mm:
    Rodi's are bigger, Schneiders are smaller and lighter.
    Rodi's might be slightly sharper wide open, but there are exceptions like the SK60
    Rodi's shift better
    Schneiders have lower distortion

    For longer lenses most tend toward Schneiders. The sk120 is great. So is the 150mm

    So depending on what you shoot, I would suggest:
    SK 43 SK 47 or Rodi 50

    Rodi 70, SK 72 or Rodi 90 (this one is new and should be excellent)

    SK 150

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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    Even with just tilt, the image circle will limit how far you can tilt the lens. So image circle is still going to be a factor.

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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    Even with just tilt, the image circle will limit how far you can tilt the lens. So image circle is still going to be a factor.
    Yeah. The other thing I didn't mention is depending on the camera system, you may or may not be able to tilt with the SK 43/47 (Alpa for instance). I eventually sold the 43 and am switching to the Rodi 40 because with Alpa I can now tilt with the Rodi. But I will really miss the small size of the sk43

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    With the IQ180 and your ~listed focal lengths, I'd suggest looking at the Rodenstock HR40; consider the just announced at Photokina new Rodenstock 90mm; At the longer end, Rodie or SK 150mm

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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    Bill,

    I agree with Ken. I would start with the Rodenstock HR40 T/S and go from there. It is a spectacular lens.

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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    Bill,

    Hard to go wrong with a Rodie 32 or 40 as your wide, a SK 60 or Rodie 70 as your normal, and a SK 120 as your long. There is no really stellar large IC 100/105 yet, but that would be my ideal long landscape lens if there were.
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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    Bill need to think about what body your after too. Here your choices are Arca and Cambo mostly for tilting. Arca tilt is on the body. Cambo tilt is on the lens mount. So we need to go about what system you want to get into maybe first with glass in mind.
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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    I think I just heard the rallying cry of Dante's Forum leaders: C'mon everybody gather 'round! This is the fun part where we get to spend someone else's (that's you, Bill!) money!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Bill need to think about what body your after too. Here your choices are Arca and Cambo mostly for tilting. Arca tilt is on the body. Cambo tilt is on the lens mount. So we need to go about what system you want to get into maybe first with glass in mind.
    Actually all the lenses mentioned so far (except for the SK43/47) can now be tilted on Alpa as well.

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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    Just one comment: The Arca-Swiss R cameras have the sturdiest lens mount available and the finest focus pitch. Also, any lens with sufficient coverage can be tilted on the R body, as the tilt is built in. The body comes with grips, tripod mount, and ground glass included.
    The body does not require shimming, only a test for focus factor. Multiple backs can be used easily with unique focus factors for each.
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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    Wow, what a great Forum this is! Instant and valuable advice from those who know what they're talking about. Thank you all - I shall heed your input.

    As far as a body is concerned, I'm leaning towards Arca because of its built-in tilt but I'm still researching. Shame Arca doesn't do the Web - but thanks Rod for your site. Very useful.

    And Ken, I'll be sure to tell you all how I spent my money. As far as my wife is concerned, it's all Jack and Guy's fault because they invented this Inferno.

    Again, thanks.

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    Yea and no water truck in sight. LOL
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    We have a Remote Demo Center set up with [video + audio + screen sharing + raw file sharing] if you'd like to see the Arca in action (and in comparison to other options).

    Nothing can substitute for your own hands on testing. But this is as good as it gets short of it being in your hands.
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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    Bill, another sleeper lens is the Rodenstock 105mm in the older Apo-Sironar digital lineup. 125mm image circle and very very sharp. I don't have a IQ180, but the 160, but on the 160 the 105 was very impressive for me even shifted to 25mm. No need for a physical CF either.

    By it's outward appearances the 105 looks very small, but by the time you add the necessary Arca rings (spacers) to it (4) it becomes a bit larger. Cambo and Alpa will have a similar requirement of a spacer.

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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    In my opinion the absolute best lens kit (regarding performance and spread of focal lengths) right now - cost aside:
    - 23HR
    - 32HR (or 28XL on a 6+ micron back)
    - 60XL (the new one)
    - 90HR (the new one)
    - 120XL

    Three caveats:
    1) The 60XL in this proposed kit would often be used in a two-frame stitch in order to become an effective 40-50mm range lens (filling in what would otherwise be a relatively significant gap).
    2) I have NOT personally tested the 90HR. But the two individuals I have spoken with who have are not particularly prone to hyperbole and have extremely good things to say about this lens.
    3) In the world of tech cameras there are no dog-lenses. There are not really even "ok" lenses. The worst lens in the Schneider/Rodenstock digital lens line is "great". So to some extent discussing which lenses are the "best" is an effort to distinguish "great" from "amazingly great". Many users will be far better off making their decision based on image circles, price, weight, size, specific desired focal lengths, or availability on the pre-owned/demo market, rather than quibbling over their relative performance. This is a world of lenses VERY different than even the best lens lines in the world of SLRs. Even with Zeiss, Schneider, Phase One, and other top quality SLR lenses there some mediocre lenses. This is just not the case with Schneider/Rodenstock tech camera lenses.
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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    "Cost aside?"

    What you say? They're expsenive?
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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    Also, don't forget anything over 105mm, i.e. 120, 150 requires removing the back and placing a spacer between the back and back of the tech camera. This is true I know for sure on the Schneider 120 XL and 150 as I looked at both. Pretty sure Rodenstock has the same issue. I also believe this is true with all 3 brands of tech camera, I know for sure Cambo and Arca require it.

    Personally I did not want and still don't want to mess with the spacer in the field. Just one more way to drop something. I agree the 120 is a great lens and I wanted one but the spacer was an issue for me and I compromised on the 105mm and so far it's been excellent.

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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    120 for cambo can be ordered in a mount without spacer required.

    Bit awkward looking, but looks aside a good option for that length. But it is prone to barrel vignette with larger movements.



    It can also be ordered in a mount with spacer required. That prevents barrel-vignette issues. It also (optionally) adds the ability to tilt/swing. Which for some long landscape shots can be very very helpful.


    Often the spacer can be packed with something else inside it so that not much additional pack-space is required. However, it's still a definite consideration for those looking for a moderate-long lens; if pack space and convenience is important than a 90mm HR or other mid-long lens may be a better option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    ...Many users will be far better off making their decision based on image circles, price, weight, size, specific desired focal lengths, or availability on the pre-owned/demo market, rather than quibbling over their relative performance.
    Couldn't agree more. Bill, since the focal lengths you mentioned are very similar to mine, I'll tell you what I have settled on. I've never been too good at shooting really wide lenses, so my selection is a bit longer than most but matches your list pretty well:
    40hr-w
    70hr-w
    100hr-s
    150xl



    I'm not thrilled with the 100hr-s because of the image circle and mine has a bit of a problem wide open on one side. But regardless I can shift the 150mm all the way to about the 100mm FOV, so I often don't even take it. I too am hoping someone updates a 105 or 110mm. I'd be all over that if it had a big IC.

    Also, as I mentioned I started with the 43xl not the 40hr, mainly because I liked its size. Now that Alpa has shift with the 40hr, that pushed me over the edge to switch.

    For me it all starts with deciding what your widest angle is going to be, then gap up from there.

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    What are the options for RM3Di w/ RotaMount?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    120 for cambo can be ordered in a mount without spacer required.

    Bit awkward looking, but looks aside a good option for that length. But it is prone to barrel vignette with larger movements.



    It can also be ordered in a mount with spacer required. That prevents barrel-vignette issues. It also (optionally) adds the ability to tilt/swing. Which for some long landscape shots can be very very helpful.


    Often the spacer can be packed with something else inside it so that not much additional pack-space is required. However, it's still a definite consideration for those looking for a moderate-long lens; if pack space and convenience is important than a 90mm HR or other mid-long lens may be a better option.

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    The Rodenstock 90HR-W (just replaced) is a wonderfully sharp lens with a big 125mm IC and if you're after a real bargain the Rodenstock 90mm Apo-Sironar Digital is the exact same lens as the 90HR-W (RS just renamed it) but can be found used at a much cheaper price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    I'm contemplating moving to a tech camera. I would use it with my Phase IQ 180. I particularly need tilt for landscape work; I'm less interested in shift and wide image circles.

    From reading posts here it seems the favoured makes are Schneider and Rodenstock. So what are the best in the 45-55 range, the 75-90 and 150 mm ranges?

    Thanks!
    Bill
    Dear Bill, I've not read the other replies. I can say the rodenstock HR40W is simply beautiful. I was fortunate to try the Schneider 43XL which is lighter and actually sharper in the centre, but edge the edge the rodie has it. The 43xl has a more German look which is nice and I think I would choose it for environmental portraits. The colour on the rodie is amazing and this micro contrast just pops. I switched systems and given the choice of any lens, I bought the HR40 again. Caveat is that i love 28mm equivalent perspective. The only drawback to this lens is it quite a beast compared to the SKs. I also used the HR90 but did not add that to my arsenal when I switched. I've selected the SK120, 1:5.6 ASPH, which is tiny and astonishingly good too. I alao use on mild macro up to 1:4 or so. I've not yet needed the extra lens that cropping the 40, or moving back with the 120 has not solved, but caveat 2, I've only been on a couple of short field trips since i switched systems. I'd stand behind both those lenses, and strongly recommend a HR90 or HR70 which both have similar rendering, colour and it's just a matter of preference for length between them. My tuppence worth.


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    ... And want to suggest an alternative to these pancakes is a linhof techno, if you want a smaller bag, forgoe the potential to handhold for more flexibility and dont mind spending a little bit more time focusing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wentbackward View Post
    ... And want to suggest an alternative to these pancakes is a linhof techno, if you want a smaller bag, forgoe the potential to handhold for more flexibility and dont mind spending a little bit more time focusing.
    Or Arca M-Line Two MF also.

    Massive tilts,swings and shifts all at the same time. Also lens mounting is easy peasy and much, much, much cheaper.
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    Don't buy anything without getting a demo in your hands. You should try any of the bodies in your options list with the same lens on each. If you have a quality dealer they will make appropriate arrangements to get the equipment to you. Even though the products are all similar in capabilities the experience is significantly different and I expect you will find one much more to your liking then the others.

    Just as an example, the focus on the arca is much more refined than the Cambo but for the type of shooting I do it was over kill and I much preferred the Cambo and have no problems getting critical focus especially with the iq180.

    The glass is the same but the approach is totally different with each mfg. if you intend to do stitching with shifts you will find significant differences as well.

    Finally, I just picked up an APO sironar digital 55 for a specific shot I am working on where the 72 was too long and 32 too wide. The lens is affordable with great sharpness and clarity and the image circle is huge.
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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    Bill:

    As my 160 has been in Denmark, I have been able to use a IQ180 with my rm3di and various lenses.

    I found that the Rodenstock 28 performed very close to what I had found on my 160. There was a smallish bit of magenta cast on center at the bottom but it cleared up fine with a LCC. As with the 160, the 28 hits the "wall" at 7mm due to a design issue. You will see a hard vignette at 7mm and anything past. It will ruin the top and bottom of the image and can effect the rest. It's an unfortunate issue as the lens itself will easily go to 10mm. I have been told this is a "disc" placed inside the lens to show the image circle, but still not sure what it is. This issue is well documented in Guy's review of the 28 Schneider and Rodenstock. All the HR's Rodenstock's I have used, 23, 28 and 35 have this issue with the 70mm image circle.

    Sadly the the 43mm Schneider was another story. A lens that I can easily take to 18mm (20 in a pinch) on my 160 will barely go to 8mm. At 8mm you will see significant loss in color and saturation and increase in noise at 35 iso and 50 iso. On center my 43mm showed a good bit of magenta cast towards the bottom but even worse on one entire half of the image I picked up a very strong green cast. The magenta corrected with LCC, the green cast, sometimes. Never having shot the 40mm Rodenstock but having read about it's attributes on the 180, it should be a better solution. On the 180 with the 43mm I also had a continuous issue where I could see the actual join lines of the various separate CCD's that make up the large 180 sensor. These did not correct out in Capture 7 and had to be manually worked out. I have often seen the same effect with the 160 when viewing an image on the camera LCD, but once I open the shot in Capture One, the software blends these areas together.

    The 60mm Schneider was much better, but it still also suffered on the 180. I have taken the 60mm to 30mm of shift (90 degree rm3di camera rotation) many times on the 160 and it has no problems until after 25mm of shift. Most times it's totally correctable. On the 180, the 60 handled well to about 12mm and then started to show color/sat fall off at 15mm. Sharpness seemed good.

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    Hi,

    Sorry for resurecting an old thread for my own purpose :-)

    I am considering a lens line-up for a tech cam. I am thinking of sort of "copying" my M9 line-up (which I know works for me), consisting of 21mm, 35mm, 50mm and 90mm. It covers the "right" range for me, in 4 lenses.
    Now, for the tech cam, I am pretty much convinced that my line-up should start with the 32mm HR. After that, it's a bit less clear. Maybe:
    50mm HR
    70mm HR
    120mm SK

    What is important for me (tilting and sharpness are a given :-) ):

    - Future proof. Who knows what I want in 10 years from now ? So a lens should work with smaller pixels backs like an IQ280. That's why I tend more towards the rodies.

    - Relatively dense lens-line-up towards the wides (hence my thinking of 32->50->70, and not 32-> 60XL -> 120, although I haven't excluded the 3 lens line-up, maybe that would make sense and allow some savings in both $$$ and weight to be carried on day hikes)

    - "Easy" to use from a workflow point of view. I do lots of nodal point panos, and working without center filter (when non shifted) or even without too much LCC:ing would be an asset. Flare resistance would also go in this section, the lenses should be "easy to work with". So this point puts also constrains on vignetting and color cast (although I'll mostly work at f/8 or f/11), while unshifted.

    - Image circle - since I do panos, I may want to experiment with shifting the back. It's not at the top of my list though, since I'm used to nodal point stitching, so I do not "need" huge image circles, if it goes against the points above.

    What are your thoughts ?

    Thanks !

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    32, 50, 70 is exactly what I have (along with the 23).

    If you start with the 32, then I think the longer focal lengths from there pretty much pick themselves.

    The ideal set of lenses as I see it is that the next lens up has the horizontal field of view that the lens below it has as a vertical field of view. This would require you to have them all though - 32, 40, 50, 70, 90.

    Since you're only looking for 3 under 100mm, then I'd actually recommend skipping alternate lenses, so therefore get the 32, 50 and 90. All are excellent lenses that I believe fit all your other criteria.

    I'm not sure which camera you'd be using this on, but if ALPA, then I'd strongly recommend getting the 32HR SB17 FPS, 50HR SB34 and 90HR SB34 (plus appropriate adapters) on the basis that at some point in the future, you might be tempted by the FPS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    I'm contemplating moving to a tech camera. I would use it with my Phase IQ 180. I particularly need tilt for landscape work; I'm less interested in shift and wide image circles.

    From reading posts here it seems the favoured makes are Schneider and Rodenstock. So what are the best in the 45-55 range, the 75-90 and 150 mm ranges?

    Thanks!
    Bill
    Hi, I highly suggest the Arca RM3Di. I have one and the rodenstock 40mm HR-W and 70mm HR-W lenses and the quality and ease of use is superb. Tilt is on the body like it has been mentioned and so it works with any lens you mount. The knob is out of the way of the lens and focusing mechanisms. If you do not need a lens as wide as the 40mm (about 27mm 35mm equiv.) then the 50mm HR-W is a great option.

    I have also heard good things about the Schneider 47mm Digitar XL but it is not highly recommended for the 80mp backs. It is however a very small/compact/light lens which is great for travel. The Rodenstocks are larger and heavier but have much less color cast on the high MP backs.

    You can see your options HERE and visualize them HERE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_R View Post
    You can see your options HERE and visualize them HERE
    That 'Tech Camera Overview' was a notorious post here, for its compilation by a dealer who does not sell Alpa, and wanted to list things baldly and make what they do sell look good. Created quite a storm, so take it with a big pinch of salesman's salt.

    For example, Alpa cameras like the Max do not really have a front and back, so you can swap them about to switch the rise/fall and shift movements if you prefer to have a longer range horizontally (panorama) or vertically (tall building). Moreover, it should also be stated that on nearly all newer design Digital Tech MF lenses, the limiting factor is usually the image circle, not the camera's abilities, so a larger range of movements is somewhat moot.

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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    Miska if you love doing panos the Schneider 60mm XL is tops in its class and a nice focal length for panos. It also has the largest image circle in its class for stitching at 120mm image circle and it has no limitations with regard to back and micron size. Its a future proof lens. Also the Roadie 40 is a very nice lens regardless of back and micron size. This is about your break point lens and getting wider than you have to consider the back you are using. Example the older SK 35xl does not play very nice with the IQ 180, but will work fine with the 60 mpx backs. The roadie 32 big and heavy will work fine with any back, same with the roadie 23 and 28. Rule of thumb below 40mm you want to start looking at Roadies as they will work with any of today's current backs. Bottom line the IQ 180 and 280 you have to take the back into account when choosing your lenses. But that SK 60 is very very nice and I consider it the sharpest one I have used. The SK 43mm is also a good lens.
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    Argh, there really is too much choice ! :-)
    So basically, it comes down to:
    32HR -> 50HR -> 70HR -> 90HR or 120SK - nice sampling of focal lengths, but big and heavy
    or
    32HR -> 60XL -> 90HR or 120SK, less money and less to carry, large image circle for flat stitching

    So how did you guys solve this conundrum for yourselves ? Heads or tails ? Months of heavy testing and pixel peeping ? Years of experience choosing fixed focal lengths ? Or trial and error with buying and selling lenses ? In the end, I'm pretty sure I will be perfectly happy with either of the above solutions :-)

    For the back, I now have an IQ160, so probably I would be fine with also SK wides, but I really would like to have the feeling that if one day I want to upgrade to the IQ4120, I wouldn't need to also change the lenses (probably a dream though...).

    Thanks for all the comments, keep them coming !
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    Don't forget that when you stitch you get 2/3 focal lengths for the price of 1. You can straight shoot single shot or go wider in 2 way stitch, or a bit wider still in 4 way.

    So the new 90mm HR Alpagon (the best Tech lens I have owned) gives you something like a 70mm when 2 way stitched, and a 60mm when 4 way.
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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    Quote Originally Posted by miska View Post
    Argh, there really is too much choice ! :-)
    So basically, it comes down to:
    32HR -> 50HR -> 70HR -> 90HR or 120SK - nice sampling of focal lengths, but big and heavy
    or
    32HR -> 60XL -> 90HR or 120SK, less money and less to carry, large image circle for flat stitching

    So how did you guys solve this conundrum for yourselves ? Heads or tails ? Months of heavy testing and pixel peeping ? Years of experience choosing fixed focal lengths ? Or trial and error with buying and selling lenses ? In the end, I'm pretty sure I will be perfectly happy with either of the above solutions :-)

    For the back, I now have an IQ160, so probably I would be fine with also SK wides, but I really would like to have the feeling that if one day I want to upgrade to the IQ4120, I wouldn't need to also change the lenses (probably a dream though...).

    Thanks for all the comments, keep them coming !

    Right now with the 160 the 35Xl works fine. Ands it's far cheaper and smaller than a 32. To me the IQ 160, IQ 260 chips give you the best lens options for a tech cam. You at least have some choices. Getting into the IQ 180 as others here will note they went Roadies under 40mm. This is a tough call thinking for future products and something we all face. What's the next back going to be and what lenses will be okay with it. Myself I would not go past a IQ 260 more than plenty for me. But I totally get people want more
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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    The end of the day when I had the IQ 160 I had the Roadie 28, SK 60 and SK 90 as my three lenses. I would have added a 150 at some point.

    Today if I bought back in with the IQ 260. I would go roadie 23 cause that was a load of fun to shoot a couple weeks ago than 40, 70 and 120

    Or go back to the 28, 60, 90 and add the 150 at some point.

    Obviously this will depend on your style of shooting. Some folks never go wider than a 40 or 43.
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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    Btw I shot the older SK 47 with the IQ260 and really liked the results from it. I think the roadie 40 is sharper though. The newer SK 43 is also very nice and very close to the Roadie 40. If I had to give a slight edge over those two than I would say the 40 is a touch sharper but I liked the look of the 43 as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miska View Post
    Argh, there really is too much choice ! :-)
    So basically, it comes down to:
    32HR -> 50HR -> 70HR -> 90HR or 120SK - nice sampling of focal lengths, but big and heavy
    or
    32HR -> 60XL -> 90HR or 120SK, less money and less to carry, large image circle for flat stitching

    So how did you guys solve this conundrum for yourselves ? Heads or tails ? Months of heavy testing and pixel peeping ? Years of experience choosing fixed focal lengths ? Or trial and error with buying and selling lenses ? In the end, I'm pretty sure I will be perfectly happy with either of the above solutions :-)

    For the back, I now have an IQ160, so probably I would be fine with also SK wides, but I really would like to have the feeling that if one day I want to upgrade to the IQ4120, I wouldn't need to also change the lenses (probably a dream though...).

    Thanks for all the comments, keep them coming !
    I'm going to repeat myself here...

    32, 50, 90, 120.

    The 70 IMO is too close to both 50 and 90. I really don't think you need it if you have either of those. If you have both of them, then it's pretty redundant.

    Check out the fields of view these lenses give you and the decision should become a lot easier - 70>90 is pretty insignificant.

    60 or 70 to 120 is too big a jump IMO.

    Repeat after me.

    32, 50, 90, 120.
    32, 50, 90, 120.



    (This is driven by your choice of the 32 at the wide end. If you'd picked a different lens there, I'd be recommending a different set.)

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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    32, 50, 90, 120.
    32, 50, 90, 120.
    32, 50, 90, 120.
    32, 50, 90, 120.

    or maybe the 60 XL

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    Quote Originally Posted by miska View Post
    32, 50, 90, 120.
    32, 50, 90, 120.
    32, 50, 90, 120.
    32, 50, 90, 120.

    or maybe the 60 XL
    Subbing the 60 for the 50 is worth considering. The 60 would be a nice length for nodal stitching.

    So you're down to just one lens decision now.

    32, 90, 120 are virtually in the bag already.

    See? That wasn't so hard
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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    ROTFLMAO welcome to Dante's inferno. No one escapes.

    The 32 is a excellent lens no question. 32, 60 and 120 is also a nice setup.

    I think and most of us would agree is pick your wide first and build around that. But some folks and I have seen a lot of this is go with a 40,70 and 120. You have to find the wide lens first though IMHO as I think that is the key to build one. Starting with a 40 actually can be a problem figuring out which wider after that, the 32 is too close obviously.

    No question it's not easy and there really is no right or wrong and really depends on your style.

    Also hate to even muddy the waters here but a 32mm stitched can be like a 28mm or wider. Of course that is stitched and if something is moving than that's out.
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    If your where looking for a easy answer well as you can how long this thread is as a example that easy answers are hard to come by. Lol

    Worse yet you will kill your credit card and will blow up in smoke along the way.
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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    My list for an 80mp back would be:

    A one lens setup: sk60
    A two lens setup: hr32 + sk60
    A three lens setup: hr32 + sk60 + sk120
    A four lens setup: hr23 + hr32 + sk60 + sk120
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    A four lens setup: hr23 + hr32 + sk60 + sk120

    This one you need a very special ski mask for the banker. LOL

    But hard to beat if you have the money to do it.
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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    I don't have the coin required for all of the prime Rodies but I have to say that for me, personally, with an IQ160 -> IQ260 today, the following works well:

    23HR, 35XL, 47XL, 90HR, 150XL (I have a 75XL too which competes with the 90HR for bag space tbh).

    If I suddenly hit the lottery, then I would undoubtedly swap them all out for:

    23HR, 32HR, 50HR, 90HR and 150XL

    if only for the future proofing with newer backs.

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    Hi

    I am not of the same level as the other respondents.

    I have the
    28mm HR
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    70mm HR
    120mm SK

    I think this is a very complete kit.

    Also if you have DF body - it should be noted that as you start to go long (like the 150mm) - The image quality on the DF is very very very close, of course you will have no movements on the DF and you will have to carry a second "body".

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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    My list for an 80mp back would be:

    A one lens setup: sk60
    A two lens setup: hr32 + sk60
    A three lens setup: hr32 + sk60 + sk120
    A four lens setup: hr23 + hr32 + sk60 + sk120
    Dan, that was exactly the order of my thought process when I jumped into the inferno earlier this year. Very happy with it too.

    The 120mm lens, well wrapped can be stored inside the spacer and the combo is very light in weight. The only drawback to me is that to mount it on the camera you have to remove the front and back covers or at least take the back off to make room for the spacer in addition to changing the lens on the front. On a windy, dusty day in the field a spotty sensor is even more likely than usual.

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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    Fascinating discussion, but I do think people are missing a fundamental point:

    "Now, for the tech cam, I am pretty much convinced that my line-up should start with the 32mm HR."

    I'm reading that as that's his widest lens requirement.

    Of course, if we want to try to convince miska that he should be thinking about a 28 or 23, then that's the next level down into the inferno

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    Thanks for all the good suggestions!

    Fortunately for my finances, I think 23mm is really too wide for me at this point. And I am not even sure that 23mm and 32mm are not "compatible" in a lens line-up, because the jump between 23 and 32 seems quite large.
    Maybe if I was 100% sure I needed the 23mm, I would then go 23mm -> 40mm -> [...], but right now, I feel that 32mm is the widest I need - for the moment. Never say never though :-)

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    Re: Help re tech camera lenses please

    Sometimes the best remedy here is to actually try those lenses out on a tech camera.

    I can feel the rumblings of another Pigs in a, uh, *oops*, I mean Capture Integration in Carmel....

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