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    I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    So, I got myself the new Gitzo GT5562GTS Giant legs and I'm very impressed. Still quite heavy due to the number of leg extension available but very stable and I've found out that you can buy leg reducers to remove some of the leg sections to make it lighter which is an excellent option.

    I'm using the Manfrotto 405 head but wanted to upgrade and the obvious choice was the Cube but I'm not sure it would offer me much over the 405 so I got thinking.............

    Along side the Phase DF and Rm3di, I've started shooting video recently and have been looking at video tripod systems only to find out I can convert the my new Gitzo quite easily into a video tripod using a bowl top plate adapter. I imagine the Giant would make an amazingly stable video tripod but the head got me wondering.

    Has anyone ever thought about using a really nice fluid head with their MFD kit? The fluid damping would allow for very fine adjustments, possibly as good as a geared head (?) and has counter balance and levelling base all built in. I'm particularly interested in the Sachtler heads and the DV10 looks excellent.

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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    I use a Arca Z1 Double pan head. My favorite ball head of all time.
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Yes, I know the Arca heads are all fantastic and the new Z2+ looks amazing but I was thinking of buying a video fluid head like a Sachtler and using it for stills (and video).

    Anyone tried it?
    Does it work ok?
    Am I just barking up the wrong tree?

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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Video heads don't work with the camera in the portrait position (as you'd never do that with a video camera). So unless you have an L-bracket, it would be dodgy! And I don't know of any video heads that use the Arca standard fitment, although you can probably use a converter on a Manfrotto or Gitzo.

    Manfrotto do a 'convertible" video and tripod head which may work for you.

    But I'm with Guy. I use Arca Z1Dp on my 5-series Gitzo legs for stills, and a proper fluid video tripod and head for video.

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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Quote Originally Posted by adamduckworth View Post
    I use Arca Z1Dp on my 5-series Gitzo legs for stills, and a proper fluid video tripod and head for video.
    Great points Adam.

    So you think the Gitzo legs are no good for video either and I'm better of with dedicated video legs?

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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Not going to say anything... not going to sayanything... not goingto sayanything... not goingtosayanything...
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    There are tripod heads
    and there is the cube.
    that will be all.
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Put a RRS clamp on the SS5562GT and a head plate on your video head.... And the Cube you'll end up buying afterwards. It'll make it easier to change heads
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    There are tripod heads
    and there is the cube.
    that will be all.
    -bob
    first time I've read Cube haiku
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    first time I've read Cube haiku
    I have the form a bit wrong.
    How about this

    There are tripod heads
    once you buy an arca cube
    that will be your last
    -bob
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    in perfect stillness
    My camera sits on top
    Of an Arca Cube.

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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    I always loved the cube for what it gave me over the BH55's I a have (which are also quite great as far as ball head go).

    ...but with the new Rm3di, the Cube is just fantastic. It's hard to even think of it as a tripod head, it's just an extension of the Rm3di, same smooth touch & feel, same ergonomics....yup, like it a lot.
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    In all seriousness there are two photographic investments that I've made, outside of cameras and lenses, that have been completely without any regret or buyers remorse. They would be my Gitzo giant tripod and the Cube on top of it. Most people who've never used either just don't "get it" since they are both eye wateringly expensive compared to their near peers but they have both been guiltless purchases that I appreciate every single time I use them. (Ok, maybe not schlepping up a mountain trail with the giant but I digress).

    Btw, as I believe we've always said, if you need a ballhead then buy a ballhead!
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    I didn't know they still make other heads beside the cube!
    After thousands of dollars spent on different heads by me and most of the people on here, the verdict is still the cube is your last head until the cube comes up with another cube.

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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Hmmm . . . cube as last tripod head? I know that some of you bought Arca D4s after your cubes. Speak up - we know who you are!

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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    Hmmm . . . cube as last tripod head? I know that some of you bought Arca D4s after your cubes. Speak up - we know who you are!
    I be guilty of that, and it is really awkward after the operational habits one gains by using a cube.
    It also is missing levels in any useful location, but it is sort of like a ball head in that the clutches can be released but better in that only one axis at a time is freed.

    I use by d4 as a casual head for travel when I do not expect to be needing a tripod much.
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Cube, RRS TVC-24L, leveling base with head clamp - $3k US and totally worth it. Not as big as the king-kong legs but gets the Cambo/IQ180 over my head or flat on the floor.

    I do miss the geared swing of the manfrotto but you can't have everything - can you?

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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Re: Platonic Forms
    There's only one tripod head
    The Arca Swiss Cube
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    HOWEVER, I am getting mine improved by replacing the clampie part with a real screwy clamp.
    -bob

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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    HOWEVER, I am getting mine improved by replacing the clampie part with a real screwy clamp.
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    First thing I did with mine

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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    I've been so close to doing that with my Cube clamp but over time I've grown to enjoy the positive deliberate nature of the Arca Swiss clamp.

    The first spring/washer explosion of the Arca clamp normally sends people running but once you've been through it without long lasting effects you grow to like/love the positive clamp of the Arca Swiss mechanism. Yes, really. I'm shocked at myself too. (Unashamed RRS fanboy that I am).
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Cube snobs.

    Seriously I had one for awhile very nice on a tech cam but on a camera body it's a little slow and if your not using a L bracket to switch to a vertical and relying on the head to do so, slow and a pain to get it flipped over to vertical.

    Someone had to step to the plate and whine a little. The koolaid on the cube is flowing.

    Now I'll probably be banned by morning for falling out of ranks here.
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Cube snobs.

    Seriously I had one for awhile very nice on a tech cam but on a camera body it's a little slow and if your not using a L bracket to switch to a vertical and relying on the head to do so, slow and a pain to get it flipped over to vertical.

    Someone had to step to the plate and whine a little. The koolaid on the cube is flowing.

    Now I'll probably be banned by morning for falling out of ranks here.
    Mine does a vertical. Totally easy with the hassy 503cw.
    At least for me it is not slow at all.
    But I probably take 1/4 the images of some.
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Oh and I use the flip. No screwy knob. I like the safety catch as I almost lost it 3 times with a screw pano head screw clamp.

    Geez I'm not so sure if I even belong here anymore I'm such a rebel.

    Oh worse yet I use RRS legs no less . 24L like Mr. Cooley

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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Mine does a vertical. Totally easy with the hassy 503cw.
    At least for me it is not slow at all.
    But I probably take 1/4 the images of some.
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    It's a little known fact outside of Trekkie circles that the Borg Cube was based on the design of the Arca Swiss Cube.

    They chose it because of course, resistance is futile
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    So after over 20 replies I'm reading between the lines here that you're basically saying, "get the Cube".

    So if I go for Gitzo Giant, Arca Cube and a Sachtler DV10, it all adds up to aprix 4K ($6500) - My wife will be pleased.
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Oh and I use the flip. No screwy knob. I like the safety catch as I almost lost it 3 times with a screw pano head screw clamp.

    Geez I'm not so sure if I even belong here anymore I'm such a rebel.

    Oh worse yet I use RRS legs no less . 24L like Mr. Cooley
    I just hate two things about the flip.
    1) if you have a mix of arca and rrs plates it is a real pain
    2) the adjusting wheel slowly loosens up over time and surprise, you are not locked down tight at all.
    RRS says they have a new lever clamp that handles both plate sizes I might try but until then the screw is the best for me.
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Now the denial comes. ROTFLMAO
    Well some folks think they need to take more, but that just makes more images to delete in the end.
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    So after over 20 replies I'm reading between the lines here that you're basically saying, "get the Cube".

    So if I go for Gitzo Giant, Arca Cube and a Sachtler DV10, it all adds up to aprix 4K ($6500) - My wife will be pleased.
    Don't tell me you have to "balance" your gear purchases?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Well some folks think they need to take more, but that just makes more images to delete in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Don't tell me you have to "balance" your gear purchases?
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    Not sure if you include a kitchen extension as balance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    So after over 20 replies I'm reading between the lines here that you're basically saying, "get the Cube".

    So if I go for Gitzo Giant, Arca Cube and a Sachtler DV10, it all adds up to aprix 4K ($6500) - My wife will be pleased.
    **** you fell right into the koolaid barrel. Lol

    Just kidding . Great combo buy a helmet for when you tell the wife
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Cube is nice but slow
    Z is quicker but not as precised
    D4 can be both...

    but it doesn't answer to the original question...

    Anyway, you will need a video head... so buy one, ad an adapter for Arca clamps...
    If it doesn't works properly for still, then you will have to buy an other head fot stills only...

    If i was Arca, considering the fact that D800, 5DIII can produce video... with the reputation of being the best manufacturer and inventor for tripod head... i will ad a video head to my catalogue...

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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Just a thought....

    Use the video head and fit a Cambo levelling head on top of it, with an Arca clamp?

    That way you'll get the fast floating movement and the precise gearing for final tune

    Not sure how it all fits together but if it does then it might do the trick...
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    What I like about the cube is precisely that it can't flop over. The number of shots I've missed because I couldn't tilt the tripod head fast enough is zero. The number of times a bunch of expensive equipment has tried to hurl itself to the ground because of a loose ballhead is a lot.

    While I believe that the D4 doesn't have the flop problem, it isn't enough smaller, cheaper, or lighter than the cube. I also like that the Cube's center of rotation is much higher than the D4's or any ballhead's.

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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    Just a thought....

    Use the video head and fit a Cambo levelling head on top of it, with an Arca clamp?

    That way you'll get the fast floating movement and the precise gearing for final tune

    Not sure how it all fits together but if it does then it might do the trick...
    basically it works... you just need the level head with the quick release for Cambo Mount: Cambo - CLH-500 . You can get only the level head separately from the panorama set.
    I do mount my Cambo level head on top of such a tripod base with integrated leveling base: http://www.berlebach.de/bilder/produ...1054_gross.jpg . Works like charm and is super rigid.

    But I think it doesn't make sense to mount it on a large fluid head like the Sachtler DV10 ...

    @gazwas: I don't think you will be happy with a large, heavy fluid head designed for film/video use. Leveling is pretty fiddly and the fluid damping is not much better than on a head with friction control when it comes to adjusting a still camera.
    Above all you can't use it on your Gitzo tripod.

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    I may also have a D4 however the only tripod/head I'm taking to the South Rim this morning is the (wait for it...) Cube.
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    Re: I know everyone here loves the Cube but....

    See, I didn't need to say a single, solitary thing of any direct relevance or import to this topic. Got to love it when the Obiwan stuff works.

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    Your the koolaid maker who you kidding LOL
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