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    Opinions on HR 32

    I've seen a lot of people comparing Nikon lenses, vs. canon, vs. zeiss, vs. Schneider, vs. Rodenstock. People have been comparing charts and everything based upon numbers from what I have seen. However, I can say that nothing has ever produced pictures in the same way that my new Rodenstock lens produces images. The way it renders out of focus textures is something that I've never seen in my life. It resembles a painting much more than a photo.

    To me it is things like this that people should pay more attention to when choosing which lenses to buy, not by choosing which lens looks best on paper.

    Here is an example picture taken from the first shoot, followed by a crop of what I am referring to:




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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    Yup, a very special lens for sure. hopefully get some time over the holidays to get some time behind mine.

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    By the way, a few questions.
    1. what digital back are you using
    2. have you needed to use an LCC with this lens
    3. have you been using a center filter
    4. what are the focus graduations marked on the lens - ie 1.2m then 2m, etc.

    This is the lens I am looking at for our IQ180.

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    Quote Originally Posted by malmac View Post
    4. what are the focus graduations marked on the lens - ie 1.2m then 2m, etc.
    For the HPF rings Alpa provides a list with the distance data:

    http://www.alpa.ch/dms/products/lens...ancetables.pdf

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    The focus graduations:
    1.2 1.5 2 3 4 5 8 20 infinity

    My HPF ring comes in this week along with my 90 HR Will give some reviews on that when I get it.

    Using a P65+
    Didn't and never use an LCC
    Didn't use a center filter because it is only 1 stop and I actually like the slight vignetting. And the center filter is like 900USD...

    Quote Originally Posted by malmac View Post
    By the way, a few questions.
    1. what digital back are you using
    2. have you needed to use an LCC with this lens
    3. have you been using a center filter
    4. what are the focus graduations marked on the lens - ie 1.2m then 2m, etc.

    This is the lens I am looking at for our IQ180.

    regards


    Mal

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    IMHO the 32 Rodie requires a CF and an LCC
    The best lens I have ever used
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    Best lens I have ever used. I have one for the Cambo RS and one for linhof techno/technika.
    Use it with the IQ 180 and credo 80 with no center filer. I use the CF for the 23 and 28. I like the slight fall off.

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    Do you use Lee filters with this lens ?
    I know 2 ways for using those filters:
    * Use the lens adapter + filter holder from Lee:
    But there is 2 lens adapters: for normal and for wide angle lenses.
    Unfortunately the wide angle adapters stops at 82mm so it is needed to use the 86mm normal one. The question is does this alter the borders of the image circle ?? (dark edges when stitching)

    * For Cambo users, use the new compendium with filter holder for Lee.
    But again, considering the large image circle of the 32HR, I wonder if this piece of kit will create dark edges when stitching the lens ??

    I was using the Schneider 35mm and even a single 62 to 67mm adapter ring was creating dark edges on the images, hence my worries about using filter holder with the 32HR !

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    Quote Originally Posted by anGy View Post
    Do you use Lee filters with this lens ?
    I know 2 ways for using those filters:
    * Use the lens adapter + filter holder from Lee:
    But there is 2 lens adapters: for normal and for wide angle lenses.
    Unfortunately the wide angle adapters stops at 82mm so it is needed to use the 86mm normal one. The question is does this alter the borders of the image circle ?? (dark edges when stitching)

    * For Cambo users, use the new compendium with filter holder for Lee.
    But again, considering the large image circle of the 32HR, I wonder if this piece of kit will create dark edges when stitching the lens ??

    I was using the Schneider 35mm and even a single 62 to 67mm adapter ring was creating dark edges on the images, hence my worries about using filter holder with the 32HR !

    I have not yet received my 86mm adapter ring. However, since most of my work involves motion stopping of water, paint, wine, etc. I did need to use my lee filters for protection purposes. I was scared when we set up for the first shoot to shoot without the filters. However I realized, why not try without an adapter ring. And the lee filter kit happens to PERFECTLY fit around the blue ring without moving. I do have to use the 3rd filter slot on my kit to make sure the ND filters do not touch the lens, but it fit on, and straight without moving. Obviously this is a temporary thing, and I will post when I do have my adapter ring to let everyone know if there is vignetting caused by the normal (non wide-angle) adapter. But for now this works and does its job of holding the ND filters and protecting my lens from splashes.

    I can take a picture if you are interested in seeing what I mean.

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    Are you gentlemen referring to the Rodenstock 32mm f/4 HR Digaron-W
    Lens, or the Rodenstock 35mm f/4 HR Digaron-S Lens?
    I believe this would be the perfect focal length for my work.
    Many thanks!

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    ALPA of Switzerland - Manufacturers of remarkable cameras - Rodenstock/ALPA HR Alpagon 4.0/32 mm, SB17

    Quote Originally Posted by nikonf View Post
    Are you gentlemen referring to the Rodenstock 32mm f/4 HR Digaron-W
    Lens, or the Rodenstock 35mm f/4 HR Digaron-S Lens?
    I believe this would be the perfect focal length for my work.
    Many thanks!

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    Thank you for the prompt response!
    The specifications on this optic are simply incredible.
    It never thought a retro-focus design would ever compare to standard wide angle designs such as the ones from Leica or Schneider, yet it seems this lens can.

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    Quote Originally Posted by shortpballer View Post
    I have not yet received my 86mm adapter ring. However, since most of my work involves motion stopping of water, paint, wine, etc. I did need to use my lee filters for protection purposes. I was scared when we set up for the first shoot to shoot without the filters. However I realized, why not try without an adapter ring. And the lee filter kit happens to PERFECTLY fit around the blue ring without moving. I do have to use the 3rd filter slot on my kit to make sure the ND filters do not touch the lens, but it fit on, and straight without moving. Obviously this is a temporary thing, and I will post when I do have my adapter ring to let everyone know if there is vignetting caused by the normal (non wide-angle) adapter. But for now this works and does its job of holding the ND filters and protecting my lens from splashes.

    I can take a picture if you are interested in seeing what I mean.
    Thanks Shortpballer, this is already promising. If the adapter ring does create vignetting when stitching, your temporary solution could be used whenever stitching is needed (personally I presume I will take far more unstitched pictures than stitched ones with this 32mm lens). Good to know anyway, and it would be great to keep us updated with your findings when you'll receive the adapter ring

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    Will do. And I agree that for me at least, not much stitching will be done with the 32. But give it a try without an adapter ring and you will see that the lee kit fits perfectly around the blue ring of the 32. It even locks on!

    Will also be posting some reviews of the new 90 HR when I get it in the next couple days or so.



    Quote Originally Posted by anGy View Post
    Thanks Shortpballer, this is already promising. If the adapter ring does create vignetting when stitching, your temporary solution could be used whenever stitching is needed (personally I presume I will take far more unstitched pictures than stitched ones with this 32mm lens). Good to know anyway, and it would be great to keep us updated with your findings when you'll receive the adapter ring

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    Lee filters work fine on the 32. it is better to use the 4x6 rather than 4x4.
    I use "formatt filters" and they are quiet good, they have the largest selection of 86 mm filters including graduated filters. Their ND filters block IR as well which is a big advantage to avoid color cast.
    Unfortunately, there is a slim choices when it comes to the 86 mm IR passing filters if you are interested in IR photography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aeaemd View Post
    Lee filters work fine on the 32. it is better to use the 4x6 rather than 4x4.
    I use "formatt filters" and they are quiet good, they have the largest selection of 86 mm filters including graduated filters. Their ND filters block IR as well which is a big advantage to avoid color cast.
    Unfortunately, there is a slim choices when it comes to the 86 mm IR passing filters if you are interested in IR photography.

    Amr
    You could add to the slim choices the option to process a 4x5 piece of E-6 film without exposing it. That will result in a large IR-pass visible-block filter with decent optical properties for a very low price and the potential for weird flare/glow/not-a-perfect-glass-filter-effects :-).
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    Quote Originally Posted by aeaemd View Post
    Lee filters work fine on the 32. it is better to use the 4x6 rather than 4x4.
    I use "formatt filters" and they are quiet good, they have the largest selection of 86 mm filters including graduated filters. Their ND filters block IR as well which is a big advantage to avoid color cast.
    Unfortunately, there is a slim choices when it comes to the 86 mm IR passing filters if you are interested in IR photography.

    Amr
    Do you mount the Lee filters on the 32mm HR with the Lee filter holder + 86mm lens adapter ?
    Does it create vignetting on the edges of the picture/image circle ?

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    I will be able to answer this question soon, for now I am mounting my lee filter holder without the lens adapter.


    Quote Originally Posted by anGy View Post
    Do you mount the Lee filters on the 32mm HR with the Lee filter holder + 86mm lens adapter ?
    Does it create vignetting on the edges of the picture/image circle ?

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    The HR 32mm is a Stunning Lens.
    I agonised over it for ages before buying one, mainly because its the price of a small car!, but glad I did.

    I use mine extensivley with Lee Filters, including the BigStopper which needs total Light sealing.

    Forget the 86mm adapter, it vingettes horribly and is worthless.

    What you need is the Lee FK 100 'Slip Over/Push on' filter adapter, with the 10mm adapter ring to reduce it from 100mm to 90mm. (Note: If you use a CF (I don't), then it is already 100mm apparently, so you don't need the adapter).

    You need one of these: LEE Filters 100mm Slipover Foundation Kit FK100 B&H Photo Video

    And one of these: LEE Filters 100-90mm Converter Ring for FK100 Filter FKD10090

    This works perfectly for holding LEE filters on the HR 32, no vingetting, and no light leakage when using ND's, even the BigStopper 10 stop.


    Note; I am using mine mounted on a Tilt/swing plate, on a Cambo WRS-AE, with an IQ160 back.

    Regards

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    One issue I am seeing with this lens is flare. Seems to pop up when I would not normally expect it. So looking into and reading about hoods, it appears that the Arca 6x9 hood will not work.

    What solution are most of you using with this lens?

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    Quote Originally Posted by Marlyn View Post
    The HR 32mm is a Stunning Lens.
    I agonised over it for ages before buying one, mainly because its the price of a small car!, but glad I did.

    I use mine extensivley with Lee Filters, including the BigStopper which needs total Light sealing.

    Forget the 86mm adapter, it vingettes horribly and is worthless.

    What you need is the Lee FK 100 'Slip Over/Push on' filter adapter, with the 10mm adapter ring to reduce it from 100mm to 90mm. (Note: If you use a CF (I don't), then it is already 100mm apparently, so you don't need the adapter).

    You need one of these: LEE Filters 100mm Slipover Foundation Kit FK100 B&H Photo Video

    And one of these: LEE Filters 100-90mm Converter Ring for FK100 Filter FKD10090

    This works perfectly for holding LEE filters on the HR 32, no vingetting, and no light leakage when using ND's, even the BigStopper 10 stop.


    Note; I am using mine mounted on a Tilt/swing plate, on a Cambo WRS-AE, with an IQ160 back.

    Regards

    Mark.
    Thanks Marlyn,
    Very interesting input. I had the feeling that the normal foundation kit would create vignetting issues. It looks like the push-on filter holder + converter ring is a better option. Great. (I'll have to contact my dealer as those do not appear in their price list).

    Apart from the big stopper, I'm planning to buy the soft and hard 0,6 ND filters. Have no interest in the colored filters.

    What are you guys your preferred/most used Lee filters ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagsiva View Post
    One issue I am seeing with this lens is flare. Seems to pop up when I would not normally expect it. So looking into and reading about hoods, it appears that the Arca 6x9 hood will not work.

    What solution are most of you using with this lens?
    I use the cambo hood with good results with this lens.

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    Quote Originally Posted by etrump View Post
    I use the cambo hood with good results with this lens.
    Thanks Ed. Was looking at the new Cambo hood pics that Guy posted, and looks like a good solution with filter holder as well. Just need to figure out how to hook it up to the Arca. Main issue will be that Cambo is using a 2 rod system, while the Arca body has a built in receptor for a single rod.

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    Quote Originally Posted by etrump View Post
    I use the cambo hood with good results with this lens.
    Ed, if I may ask:
    Can you stitch without having to remove the hood (or see it on the edges of the stitched frame) ?

    If a Lee filter is inserted, do you think the hood will still be usable with the 32mm HR ?
    With a filter inserted in the filter holder of the hood it won't be possible to insert the front of the lens inside the hood. The hood will then have to be seriously folded, but will it be enough for avoiding vignetting ??

    Thanks

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    The 86 mm adapter ring works fine with the 32 mm if no stitching required. Otherwise, vignetting will occur with the slightest shift. using the outer ring is a great idea if you could find it.
    THere are screw in filters at 86 mm.
    I responded to AnGy question on another thread, You can't use Lee filters on the Cambo hood on 32 mm Rodi. The lens protrudes into it beyond the filter plane.

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    I tried the 86mm screw in, and it vingettes right away, without movements. (with the holder attached.

    I think the bellows hood would work for grads, but is useless for ND filters like the bigstopper, as it dosn't light seal around the lens. The large stop ND's are very picky about even small light leakage from behind them. Even getting it slightly off center can ruin the image if the foam is not fully contacting the holder all the way around.

    I find the push on adapter for Lee, with 2 slots works a treat for all of that.

    Regards

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    I use the 100mm Push on holder and a 100-90 Donut Spacer on the lens (mounted on the barrels). It works fine without vingetting.

    I got the true pol 4x4 schneider polarizer and never bother with the screw on filters.

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    Hi guys- made my account just to reply here!

    Yes it's an amazing lens. Really really needs a lenscast. I don't use a center filter- I also like the falloff. I have used a tiffen glass gradated filter on occasion...

    I had SK Grimes make a special ring so I could mount the standard Lee filter holder. They took off the front filter ring (it was on quite tight they said!), and made a replacement which has a Lee style flange. It works perfectly. Like a dream. Very reasonable price, as always.

    However- if anyone doesn't want to go this route, I'll sell you my 100mm push-on and 90-100 spacer. But I recommend you call SK Grimes instead. Although I hate this thing sitting on my shelf...

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    Re: Opinions on HR 32

    Seems worthwhile to cross post in this thread to a 32HR test.
    Phase One 28mm vs Rodenstock 32HR
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