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    From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    Hey Guys,

    it's time to make plans again! I'm thinking to switch to a Leica S.

    Currently, I own:

    - H4D-40 "Stainless Steel"
    - 35, 80, 50-110, 120 Macro, 210 lenses.

    Has anybody out there made this shift also? How do you feel about ? Do you miss TrueFocus?

    Thanks to bring some light in this topic.

    Stan

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    I have both an H system and S system.

    When I tested the H4D/40 against the S2, it was pretty close in terms of IQ ... with the edge given to the S2 because of the Leica lenses. However, some of the HC lenses have been updated and are better performers now.

    The real gain was in the form factor ... the S2 kit being more compact and easy to take on location.

    I did upgrade the H4D/40 to a H4D/60 where the sheer resolution seperates it from the S2.

    In studio, the H camera works much easier and swifter when tethered ... and I shoot a fair amount tethered, so the camera is still quite valuable to me.

    I wish the S camera had TF ... and there are a few other attributes I'd like from the H camera.

    As I look to cutting back on my paying work, I am contemplating moving away from the H system, and just using the S gear.

    -Marc

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    contemplating a similar move though I'm going from Hassey 503cw + 39M back. So I think either body will be a huge improvement for me in terms of ease to use.

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    Follow up to above, which one is easier to use? H4d or S2? I assume S2 would be easier to handle/carry around, but focusing wise, which is faster?

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    I also have both system h4d50 and s2, the h4d even though looks bulkier, fits very well in hand and it is very well balanced. i now use the H lenses on the s2 via the s-h adapter, i feel now i have an expanded system with lots of lenses to choose. focus wise (AF) i think both r the same

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    Quote Originally Posted by mmbma View Post
    Follow up to above, which one is easier to use? H4d or S2? I assume S2 would be easier to handle/carry around, but focusing wise, which is faster?
    I have had the S2 and now have an S,the S focus's very fast and accurate,difficult to say if its quicker than the Blad but its quick..the Blad feels good in the hand but the S is better,it feels like a Nikon or Canon..and its lighter,its also better protected for outdoor use and has a far superior battery as well as the ability to hold two memory cards..

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stan ROX View Post
    Hey Guys,

    it's time to make plans again! I'm thinking to switch to a Leica S.

    Currently, I own:

    - H4D-40 "Stainless Steel"
    - 35, 80, 50-110, 120 Macro, 210 lenses.

    Has anybody out there made this shift also? How do you feel about ? Do you miss TrueFocus?

    Thanks to bring some light in this topic.

    Stan
    Knowing that you shoot skin a lot you might be better off trying the S for yourself to see if your happy with skin tones,Imho the Hasselblad does very nice skin tones..

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    Obviously I cannot begin to contribute an evaluation of both these systems in comparison to those that own/use one of both, since I've only had briefly used an older Hassey H2D and H3d and test shot the S2 and new S on a number of occastions. I'm commenting since did observe something that was a bit of a concern with the new Leica S. Recently I did a mini shootout between the new "S" and the Pentax 645D under studio lighting, with moderling light "off". Ambient room light was average..maybe slightly less so. Although I shot used a number of S lenses, I primarily restricted myself to the 120 f2.5 macro since that was the best match-up to the Pentax FA 120mm f4 macro (Pentax's best 645 lens).

    I found the Leica on a fairly consistent basis stuttered and often had a somewhat difficult time acheieving focus lock-on, repeatedly. Under the same exact conditions, the Pentax had no difficultly whatsoever. For shooting ever changing fast moving poses by a model, this did pose some issues. For a very brief time I tried both cameras outdoors to determmine if this particular "S" body for whatever reason might have had some issue, but it's AF performed with near flawlessness (outdoors), much as I've experienced with a older S2 previously in ourdoor lighting conditions.

    Some days afterward, I spoke with a S2 shooter shooter (aquantence) and he also experienced this sort of diffficulty at times in his studio when lit by slightly below average ambient light and modeling lights are kept very low or off. Other than that, the "S" and it's files were extremely impressive as expected and also of course similary experienced with the S2.

    Eventually I'll post a pair or two from this set, but thought I'd quickly mention my observation. Someone here might have a plausable explanantion.

    Dave (D&A)
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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    I have had the same problems with s2 ,focus lock under similar conditions

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    Quote Originally Posted by msadat View Post
    I have had the same problems with s2 ,focus lock under similar conditions
    I had neglected to mention in my post above, that in addition to what I described with the new "S" under the conditions outlined...in a early test a few months ago with a S2 body under near identical studio conditions but with a bit more ambient light, the S2 had less instances of this hesitation and studdering with AF lock-on. I just added some additional comments imbedded in my text, in my initial post (above)

    Again let me emphasize that with high light levels, espcially outdoors, hesitiation was rarely evident.

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    More input:

    My use of these two systems is extensive having shot weddings for hours on end, week-after-week, multi-location environmental portrait work, in studio portraiture, day-rate location industrial shoots, advertising shoots for my advertising clients including use for Print ads, trade show booths, and TV commercials that I write and produce, plus a good amount of still life/table-top product work ... and I have carried both cameras on vacation to build a stock file library for my own use with advertising clients. I've used the H since the H2/22, and the S2 for the past 2+ years.

    Observations:

    Tethered work with the H uses Phocus and is faster, is easier to set constant shoot perimeters and is a direct plug-and-play operation, the S/S2 relies on LR USB tethering, is slower loading even using compressed DNGs, and requires setting up the camera for tethered work, and remembering to set it back afterwards. (one note: the H relies on FW800 tethering which is disappearing from many computers, requiring a converter to Thunderbolt for the newer Macs).

    AF: Both cameras benefit heavily from setting the rear thumb button to perform AF rather than the shutter button. True Focus benefits a lot, and for the S2 I think it is absolutely mandatory ... shutter button focus sucks on the S2. I would not use the S120/2.5 as the bench-mark for full AF speed since it is 1) a macro with a long focus throw, and 2) being f/2.5 is the fastest MF macro with bigger/heavier lens elements to prove it. The S lenses are full time manual over-ride, and the proper way to faster AF with the 120 is to get close manually and then nail it with AF.

    With continued practice, the H interface is the faster working camera of the two. Most important functions are grip buttoned activated so can be called up without taking your eye from the viewfinder, and appear in the viewfinder ... using user selected functions it is possible to take a manual WB shot with one button push rather than entering a menu for example. Most functions for the S2 are simple and fast to access, but require entering the LCD menu. The good thing with the S camera is that each LCD button and a few other camera buttons can be assigned a short-cut user function like manual WB etc. but involve more steps than the user buttons on the H.

    The S batteries are close to immortal ... unbelievable. The H batteries are not. Remains to be seen if the new, higher spec H5 grip battery with help that out.

    The S is a dual card camera BUT cannot shoot RAW to both cards.

    It is MUCH easier to hand-hold the H camera steady at lower shutter speeds ... leaf-shutter is part of it, mass is another, and the H can be set with a micro mirror delay which actually works like a charm. The S is a focal plane camera, and even when using leaf shutter lenses in CS mode, the focal plane shutter is still active. I have to take care to keep the shutter speeds up when shooting the S camera.

    I also have the H to S adapter that allows use of most all H lenses on the S camera in both focal plane shutter to 1/4000th (think HC100/2.2 wide open in brighter light!), and in leaf shutter mode up to 1/750th sync ... I use the HC50-II on the S2 a lot because the focal length fills the gap between the S35mm and S70mm.

    The S camera is sexy as hell, the lenses are to die for (and cost enough to cause a heart attack), plus many are pretty fast apertures for MF. S is my choice for more general shooting where approx 40 meg is enough. I am converting all 4 of my S lenses to Leaf shutter versions which Leica is finally getting around to doing. The S leaf shutter versions will do up to 1/1000 sync.

    -Marc

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    One more time, this forum is such a wealthy ressource for hands-on information.

    Thanks for your opinions so far - I'll keep that in mind when I do a test-drive at the one of the next shootings.

    Stan

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    Marc Wrote>>>"AF: Both cameras benefit heavily from setting the rear thumb button to perform AF rather than the shutter button. True Focus benefits a lot, and for the S2 I think it is absolutely mandatory ... shutter button focus sucks on the S2. I would not use the S120/2.5 as the bench-mark for full AF speed since it is 1) a macro with a long focus throw, and 2) being f/2.5 is the fastest MF macro with bigger/heavier lens elements to prove it. The S lenses are full time manual over-ride, and the proper way to faster AF with the 120 is to get close manually and then nail it with AF."<<<

    Marc, yoiu're a wealth of information, especially in disssecting a camera systems stengths and weaknesses with regards to it's use in a multitude of shooting enviorments. Truly invaluable information!

    Permit me to add to my comments (in my two postings above), regarding the S2/S hesitancy to achieve AF lock-on in lower than average ambient light. . The rear thumb button to perform AF as opposed to using the it's shutter button was emplyed in my testing although I did swich over to the shutter button in case there was some anomoly with the reear thumb button...just in case.

    The AF hesitatcy also was evident with other "S" lenses in addition to the Leica 120mm f2.4 macro. Of course as you described, if focus was "missed", the lengthy long throw of the macro meant it had to cycle each time though it's focusing range prior to attemting to lock on with a 2nd attempt. The reason I used this particular lens in the mini head-on shoot with the 645D ,was simply that the one Pentax lens that stands head and shoulders above the rest of Pentx's 645 lenses is thir 120 f4 macro, and so it would be the most evenly match set of lenses to use in any comparisons between these two systems.

    One other thing that I found a bit curious, was the lack of a focus limiter switch on the Leica macro. Incorporating this would have greatly benidited when AF lock-on was missed and would have significantly reduced the amount of time to cycle through it's focusing range to get back to the camera to subject distance.

    At one point of the test when I noticed the Leica S AF hesitancy, I momentaryl pointed each camera to darkened spot in the room, intentionally timing it's syscling when AF lock-on was misssed, and the Pentax 12- f4 macro with it's limiter swich in focusing zones, made the cycle through a mis-focus infinitely faster. A recommendation to Leica to follow suit and incorporate such a switch I think would be of great benifit to opperation of this lens and would contribute to an already astonishing and "knock your sockes off? system....especially considering the performance ond optics of the "S" lenses.

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    Dave -- you make a good point regarding the limiter switch...it would be nice if they could do this in firmware so you could just set it in the menu. I can't imagine why they couldn't...I think the S2 has communications with the lenses, though not sure if that extends to the focusing distance...perhaps.
    I would also say I would not be surprised if the S2 was not as fast in low light as the Pentax. I shoot the S2 a lot in the dark (actual dark), and I find that it can hunt on occasion. I think Leica prioritized accuracy of the lock-on over speed, particularly in lower light. I am fairly impressed in general though, as it will generally focus even on near point light sources. I am not sure on the exact EV level, but it works well on streetlights very far away in faint conditions (the general exposures being up to 90 seconds). The D3 did this even better for me, but that's not really a fair comparison!
    These for example were all taken using the AF...most are at least 16 second exposures at f/5.6 or so.
    This was 125 seconds at f/6.8. It is tack sharp at 100%

    This was brighter, but again, the AF was spot on. I don't remember how long it took, but it does not always hit it instantly, but when it does, it is right most of the time. I generally do two or three images while refocussing, just to be sure, but one of those is almost always perfect. Keep in mind that these are really dark! Even the areas lit by the lights are rather dim to the eye.
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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    Ok, so here's a 100% crop from the right side of the first photo. You can see the extreme accuracy and performance that makes the S2 and lenses so nice (sound like a marketer!). you can even see the spikes in the barbed wire fence and the no dogs sign at extreme edge with great clarity...keep in mind this is a 125 second exposure, which is the maximum the camera will allow you to do. At a shorter exposure, the detail is rendered with more clarity. This is with rather low sharpening too... 35 amount, .6 radius, 9 detail and 39 masking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    Ok, so here's a 100% crop from the right side of the first photo. You can see the extreme accuracy and performance that makes the S2 and lenses so nice (sound like a marketer!). you can even see the spikes in the barbed wire fence and the no dogs sign at extreme edge with great clarity...keep in mind this is a 125 second exposure, which is the maximum the camera will allow you to do. At a shorter exposure, the detail is rendered with more clarity. This is with rather low sharpening too... 35 amount, .6 radius, 9 detail and 39 masking.
    I have an S and still this crop kind of surprises me because it's so good,,, the glass is truly outstanding..

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    I have an S and still this crop kind of surprises me because it's so good,,, the glass is truly outstanding..
    It most certainly is from everything I've seen adn tested so far.

    Stuart, I think your assessment is probably right in that Leica opted more for focusing accuracy as opposed to low light focusing, per se.

    In your representitive images above, I presume you were focusing on those lamposts in the dark, which become point light sources.....whereas the difficulty the Leica S2 and S had in my tests was achieving focus lock-on in slightly to moderately below average ambient room light. In these conditions, the camera simply hunted. Although I am backlogged for weeks with work, when I have the time to post a couple images taken in the conditions where the S body hunted for focus, I think it might surprise some with the light levels available to AF.

    As for implimenting a focus limiter (in the Leica 120mm f2.5 macro via firmware/menue as oppsoed to a phsical limited switch on the lens, thats a novel approach. I don't think any other manufacturer has implemented it this way. I know in 35mm cameras/lenses...Pentax FA AF 35mm format lenses in general communicate with the DSLR they are mounted to and provide focusing distance, aperture, focal lenght (especially if a zoom lens) and more to the camera body...so I'm sure Lecia S lenses do the same with the S2 and S bodies. Which ever way Leica might implement a limiter in their macro lenses, I honestly believe it's really needed from what I experienced.

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    Stan, and all ... Yet even more random thoughts on this subject

    It isn't easy to swap systems, and changing MFD systems is the "Mother" of all swaps.

    Leica doesn't have any trade program, Hasselblad does. So the decision could also be framed as a comparison between the Leica S, verses the Hasselblad H5. Financially, the move to a H5 would be substantially less since lenses aren't involved. The H5 is not revolutionary, but has been improved in many incremental ways ... including better True Focus performance, higher capacity battery, faster interface, and new functional options. The cosmetics of the H5 are trimmer than the H4, and quite frankly a bit sexy looking IMO.

    Lenses: To make full use of the S camera's dual shutter feature with Leica S glass, one would need to get the CS versions of the lenses ... which are still NOT all available. The CS versions are more money than the FP versions. (The current trade-in FP version + cash difference for CS lenses only applies to original owners who bought their S lenses before a certain date. Anyone entering the system now pays full Leica prices which are breathtaking, and there will be no used CS lenses available for a long, long time).

    The S zoom is $10K and no CF version is planned ... same for the new S-24mm, no CS. The HCD 24 and 35-90 Zoom are leaf shutter.

    A few other comparative thoughts (which are highly dependent on applications):

    Macro applications: HC120/4 verses S-120/2.5: Chief difference here is the HC lens is 1:1 and the S is 1:2. There are no plans to make an Elpro adapter, or extension tubes for use with the S-120. There are 3 different extension tubes for the HC120.

    AF speed in dull light ... I know the newer AF Assist light on the H4 has helped me a lot in lower contrast situations where there was no specular highlight or defined edge in the scene to focus on and recompose ... The S2 has none.

    In low light/low contrast situations the S2 camera just informs you with a "Lo" in the viewfinder (when using AFs mode), and simply will not focus in Manual mode using the thumb button for AF. However, if there is any contrast point or defined edge on the same plane of focus as the subject, just lay the cross hairs in the AF circle right on it and the S2 will focus just fine. This especially works well when the subject is at a distance like with the Stuart's examples ... not so good if the subject is closer when re-composing ... which is where The H camera's True Focus really shines.

    BTW, contrary to popular belief, the H4 viewfinder is brighter and more neutral than the S2's. I compared them by using the same 100/2.2 lens on both cameras.

    Higher ISO: Assuming the H5/40 performs as well as the H4/40, ISO 1600 on the H trounces 1250 on the S2. I have not seen ISO 1600 files from the new S, so that remains to be seen ... hopefully it is improved.

    ALL THAY SAID: IMO, the overwhelming Practical appeal of the S2/S not only lies in its handy form factor and Leica lenses, it is because it is a dual shutter camera. To be able to shoot at 1/4000th with a fast aperature in bright conditions one minute, and at 1/1000 sync with strobes the next, makes the S2/S camera a winner in versatility.

    When all is said and done, the unknown factor that enters the equation is ... LUST ... and few companies are as good as Leica in evoking pure lust, even to the abandonment of logic and reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Stan, and all ... Yet even more random thoughts on this subject

    It isn't easy to swap systems, and changing MFD systems is the "Mother" of all swaps.

    Leica doesn't have any trade program, Hasselblad does. So the decision could also be framed as a comparison between the Leica S, verses the Hasselblad H5. Financially, the move to a H5 would be substantially less since lenses aren't involved. The H5 is not revolutionary, but has been improved in many incremental ways ... including better True Focus performance, higher capacity battery, faster interface, and new functional options. The cosmetics of the H5 are trimmer than the H4, and quite frankly a bit sexy looking IMO.

    Lenses: To make full use of the S camera's dual shutter feature with Leica S glass, one would need to get the CS versions of the lenses ... which are still NOT all available. The CS versions are more money than the FP versions. (The current trade-in FP version + cash difference for CS lenses only applies to original owners who bought their S lenses before a certain date. Anyone entering the system now pays full Leica prices which are breathtaking, and there will be no used CS lenses available for a long, long time).

    The S zoom is $10K and no CF version is planned ... same for the new S-24mm, no CS. The HCD 24 and 35-90 Zoom are leaf shutter.

    A few other comparative thoughts (which are highly dependent on applications):

    Macro applications: HC120/4 verses S-120/2.5: Chief difference here is the HC lens is 1:1 and the S is 1:2. There are no plans to make an Elpro adapter, or extension tubes for use with the S-120. There are 3 different extension tubes for the HC120.

    AF speed in dull light ... I know the newer AF Assist light on the H4 has helped me a lot in lower contrast situations where there was no specular highlight or defined edge in the scene to focus on and recompose ... The S2 has none.

    In low light/low contrast situations the S2 camera just informs you with a "Lo" in the viewfinder (when using AFs mode), and simply will not focus in Manual mode using the thumb button for AF. However, if there is any contrast point or defined edge on the same plane of focus as the subject, just lay the cross hairs in the AF circle right on it and the S2 will focus just fine. This especially works well when the subject is at a distance like with the Stuart's examples ... not so good if the subject is closer when re-composing ... which is where The H camera's True Focus really shines.

    BTW, contrary to popular belief, the H4 viewfinder is brighter and more neutral than the S2's. I compared them by using the same 100/2.2 lens on both cameras.

    Higher ISO: Assuming the H5/40 performs as well as the H4/40, ISO 1600 on the H trounces 1250 on the S2. I have not seen ISO 1600 files from the new S, so that remains to be seen ... hopefully it is improved.

    ALL THAY SAID: IMO, the overwhelming Practical appeal of the S2/S not only lies in its handy form factor and Leica lenses, it is because it is a dual shutter camera. To be able to shoot at 1/4000th with a fast aperature in bright conditions one minute, and at 1/1000 sync with strobes the next, makes the S2/S camera a winner in versatility.

    When all is said and done, the unknown factor that enters the equation is ... LUST ... and few companies are as good as Leica in evoking pure lust, even to the abandonment of logic and reason

    -Marc

    Great post Marc.. on balance if I had to choose one system I would choose the S for it's excellent glass,dual shutters,superior weather sealing and awesome battery...but it's not an easy choice and the intended use swings the decision ,for studio work the blad is better for tethering and offer's up to 60mp and I think better skin Tone's (but the skin tone issue is very subjective..)

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    https://www.yousendit.com/download/U...VEhsamRqQThUQw

    This is an ISO series from 100 to 1600 using a Leica S,, nothing special ,just a shot from a window on a rainy day in the Dam

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    I've moved to the S from H (with some other stuff along the way). For me it boils down to form factor. I've owned H's over the years starting with a 503c. They've always felt awkward in my hands. This is solely a matter of personal preference - a lot of serious photographers (I mean a lot) would see this the other way around. Do a rental and try it out.

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    The ability to use the HC glass on the S system with the Leica adaptor lightens the cost of switching over and also solves the macro 1:1 problem as you already have the HC120 macro,you can also use the tilt shift adaptor on the S.
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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    The above images of the HTS were originally posted by Marc on a redotforum thread...

    http://www.reddotforum.com/showthrea...S2-and-HTS-1.5

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    Stan,

    Don't do it, don't waste your time, Fotografz nails it by saying the H is faster and it is.

    You do great work with what you have (and know your kit well).

    I'd spend the money on hiring better models, going to better locations and hiring a stylist to push your work to the next level.

    If you look at the very best fashion editorial Stan, it all comes together with great production, an S camera or a DF+ won't make your work better but top models, great styling and fresh locations will open people's eyes.

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    Perhaps a small point in regard to macro, but Hassy now has a macro converter that is optimised for use with the HC-50 II but which works with other lenses and which offers superior optical performance compared to extension tubes. I would suggest that this is indicative of the fact that the Hasselblad is the more complete solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogstarnyc View Post
    Stan,

    Don't do it, don't waste your time, Fotografz nails it by saying the H is faster and it is.

    You do great work with what you have (and know your kit well).

    I'd spend the money on hiring better models, going to better locations and hiring a stylist to push your work to the next level.

    If you look at the very best fashion editorial Stan, it all comes together with great production, an S camera or a DF+ won't make your work better but top models, great styling and fresh locations will open people's eyes.

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    I can't be certain but the S feels like it has faster A.F than the S2,I think intended application is the key,the blad is better for studio and the S better for Field work and travel(and has the best glass),also the focal plane shutters open up more possibilities and another factor is that sometime's a change is as good as a rest and switching to the S might refresh your creativity.

    The best way to decide is to use the S camera for a day or two and see how it feels in your hands,in the end they are both good system's

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    I changed from the S2 to the S some weeks ago and I sometimes found the S would hunt a little bit more with AF than the S2 (in dull light).
    A friend of mine also did the switch but does not think so.
    Reading this thread I get the feeling my observation might be true.
    While the S2 I found the C-AF not usable, I believe the C-AF of the S is clearly improved. At least on some occasions it work pretty good for a Medium format camera.

    I cant comment on the Hassy since I come from the Hy6 with Sinar back.

    For me - as a hobby photographer - the form factor of the Leica is a huge advantage. I often use the camera for casual shooting, I am not sue if I would do this with a Hassy.
    The S with 2 lenses fits in a pretty small backpack.

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    I changed from the S2 to the S some weeks ago and I sometimes found the S would hunt a little bit more with AF than the S2 (in dull light).
    A friend of mine also did the switch but does not think so.
    Reading this thread I get the feeling my observation might be true.
    While the S2 I found the C-AF not usable, I believe the C-AF of the S is clearly improved. At least on some occasions it work pretty good for a Medium format camera.

    I cant comment on the Hassy since I come from the Hy6 with Sinar back.

    For me - as a hobby photographer - the form factor of the Leica is a huge advantage. I often use the camera for casual shooting, I am not sue if I would do this with a Hassy.
    The S with 2 lenses fits in a pretty small backpack.
    I'd agree to some extent. Those more familiar with DSLRs can easily take to the S2 form with very few adjustments.

    However, the H camera isn't all that hard to take with, and when stored face down in a bag, it's pretty easy carry with a couple of lenses, as long as they aren't the monster zooms or 120 macro. I have mine set up with a hand-strap and elastic type shoulder strap, and walk about with it all the time.

    For really compact carrying like when traveling, the H is modular and can be broken down to fit. I used to do that with my Contax 645, and do the same with the H.

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    If Hasselblad had 'true focus' when I made my decision - I would never had sold out of the system. I think the Hasselblad system is a fantastic - and shines especially in studio use with strobe or continuous lighting - providing what every MFD back needs- FAT light.

    However I have no regrets switching to Leica S as a focal plane system which can also use leaf shutter lenses for higher sync speed -this camera platform is exactly what many Hasselblad users were begging Hasselblad to deliver years ago - the logic falling on deaf ears...

    Workflow in tethered mode is a waste of time for me with Leica S - Hasselblad is better. I also think Phocus is a better raw processor than Lightroom - but Lightroom delivers a DAM capability which is hard to ignore for people who have need.

    The lure of Leica for me - is the ergonomics of the body in hand held situations and the lenses - the ordinary old 70mm standard lens from Leica- is my 'benchmark' lens against which every other lenses made by anybody ( in ANY format) gets tested - superb is an understatement. The cost of buying into Leica lenses requires careful consideration.


    All the best - the really is no bad decision to make here.

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    Hey forum,

    thanks to all for your opinions and ideas about this topic - and also for your kind words about my work.

    First of all, I want to mention that a lot of you have the same feeling as me when it comes to form factor: The Hassey is not really a small nor portable cam, and transporting it to the locations is always something to manage carefully (not to mention the customs ...).

    Apart from that, there has been also a lot of opinions about the change itself, the lack of the beloved TrueFocus (which was the main reason for my upgrade from the H3DII) compared with my Nikon - it's always a pain to move the AF-field for a new shot regardless how easy it handles).

    And finally, there have been some ideas about the upgrade path - it's just one model available from Leica, whereas Hasseblad gives me the opportunity to upgrade to 60 MPix if necessesary.

    So, after reading all your ideas and opinions, I will stick with my workhorse made from stainless steel. It delivers what I love and am crazy about - sharp images with beautiful skin tones and rich details, whereas for my more portable needs, my Nikon D600 serves very well.

    As I had all my photos in review while doing my promotional video, even with extreme closeups and 100%-views on screen, I saw that there is really no reason to switch over to another system in terms of quality - it's about the form factor, and there's an answer to that as I own more than one camera.

    I want to thank Steve Brickles for his opinion on models, MUA and locations - it's a very much appreciated impulse for my improvement of future work.

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    Hi Stan, just keep shooting with the hassie indeed i looked at your work and i see no reason to switch to leica. you shoot mainly with strobes anyway. I think it can be even a downgrade for you and you will loose some money switching.

    Personally i think the H4d-40 is the sweetspot in the hasselblad range. i used them all and i really like the h4d-40. I Shot with the 50 and 60 and in exciting light i didn't like them since the iso range above 200 the 40 is much better in this terrain.

    A bigger sensor might be tempting but financially i think it's not worth it at this moment with hasselblad, because for the same price of the 60, you can get a iq series from phase. if i where you i would keep the money in the pocket.. go on vacation and buy some nice light or book some top models with the money this would benefit your work more.

    Upgrade to next generation hasselblad.

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    Actually the true focus is supposedly improved on the HD5. I am still waiting for mine so I can not attest to any improvement, but if you have time, you may wish to demo the HD5
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    Aspect ratio is one of the most significant difference's between the two system's,the S is 3:2 and the H 3:4... people will have their own preference's

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    I couldn't imagine changing from the H4 to to the S. There is so much more support for the H around the world. You have the better crop ratio, true focus, better tethered support, huge selection of lenses with DAC built into Phocus. Good color control.

    What things about the H have you contemplating a change?

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    The S system is still developing and has outstanding glass,as well as very High build quality.. it's horse's for course's.. S is better for outdoor work and travel (GPS is a great asset for working on the road),I think the Blad has an advantage with it's proprietary raw converter Phocus ...

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    Hasselblad H5D-50 Hands-On Preview


    Some good images of the H5D here..
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    Quote Originally Posted by RVB View Post
    Hasselblad H5D-50 Hands-On Preview


    Some good images of the H5D here..
    still i would wait till the next generation. there is only new paint, processor and few minimal features. upgrading from a h4d-40 to a h5d-50 would still cost around 12,5K euro ex vat (here in holland). its not revolutionary enough to upgrade. at phase they did bigger jumps in technology from p+ to iq that is worth upgrading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dqv View Post
    still i would wait till the next generation. there is only new paint, processor and few minimal features. upgrading from a h4d-40 to a h5d-50 would still cost around 12,5K euro ex vat (here in holland). its not revolutionary enough to upgrade. at phase they did bigger jumps in technology from p+ to iq that is worth upgrading.

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    I would only upgrade if I was moving up to a mulitshot which is something special,otherwise I would agree with you that it's best to wait for the next generation which is already in development (if the rumours are true..)

    The lcd on the new H5 is much better but still not really offering enough for the extra money.. I would like to see a new sensor with 13stops DR and better high iso.
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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    Quote Originally Posted by RVB View Post
    Aspect ratio is one of the most significant difference's between the two system's,the S is 3:2 and the H 3:4... people will have their own preference's
    In fact, loosing the 4:3 ratio is one of the major issues thats keeping me from the switch.

    Everytime I use my Nikon, I get the feeling that there is not enough room for the picture. As I do my Beauty shootings almost in Landscape format, this is really a big thing for me.

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stan ROX View Post
    In fact, loosing the 4:3 ratio is one of the major issues thats keeping me from the switch.

    Everytime I use my Nikon, I get the feeling that there is not enough room for the picture. As I do my Beauty shootings almost in Landscape format, this is really a big thing for me.

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    There is no arguing preferences.

    Personally, I've had little issue with the ratios since most of my other cameras are 3:2, and I'm used to composing with that ratio. The S viewfinder is nice and big, so not the same as looking through a 35mm DSLR tunnel.

    When I was considering the S system, I got one to compare to my H4D/40 for a week ...and even when slightly cropping the S file and upsizing it to the size/ratio of the H-40, it edged out the H4D/40 ... IMO, mostly due to the Leica optics which are ground up designs for digital and require far less DAC corrections, or none.

    In the end, the S2 was added because its handy form factor, and firmware improvements that basically eliminated the need for a full 35mm DSLR system ... all while taking over many of the more mobile/travel duties I used the H4D/40 for. I upgraded the H4D/40 to a H4D/60 which is clearly superior to the H4D/40 and Leica S2 for many more demanding applications ... and the Dalsa sensor is renowned for the rendering of skin tones ... in both natural and artificial light ... to my eye, something I found to be true.

    IF you want to spend money on gear, given your subject matter, I'd consider upgrading to the H5D/60 ... which, with the trade program would be less $ than the Leica S body alone. The new 50-II is amazing on the 60, and the DOF with the 100/2.2 is even more delicious ... The 210/4 comes into more play on the 60 than on the crop frame 40 for head-shots and the like. The new HCD-24, the 28 and the 35-90 zoom produce the slight crop in Phocus but still retains 56 meg delivered in a frame still considerable larger than the H-40 or Leica S

    Otherwise, I'd stay pat.

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    I'm just interested if anyone has changed their thoughts now that a few new camera choices are available and now that LR and other software has improved slightly?
    If you commented on your original system that you were using and since have changed or added a similar system did your view of the shooting experience Change that much? We're you able to preprocess your files with better results, were the results just marginal or did they really make a difference? Do you regret making the switch? And if so for what reason?
    With the price of used equipment I'm of the opinion it's better just to add a body and a lens or two and work with them a while before committing to a full switch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bab View Post
    I'm just interested if anyone has changed their thoughts now that a few new camera choices are available and now that LR and other software has improved slightly?
    If you commented on your original system that you were using and since have changed or added a similar system did your view of the shooting experience Change that much? We're you able to preprocess your files with better results, were the results just marginal or did they really make a difference? Do you regret making the switch? And if so for what reason?
    With the price of used equipment I'm of the opinion it's better just to add a body and a lens or two and work with them a while before committing to a full switch.
    Originally, I did exactly that … Kept my Hasselblad H4D kit and added a Leica S2P + two S lenses. This was some time ago. Primarily because Leica had not yet delivered the CS leaf-shutter versions of the lenses. The Hasselblad covered all flash sync work, and I did any focal plane high shutter speed stuff with the S2.

    When Leica delivered on the CS leaf-shutter versions, I sold all Hassleblad stuff and concentrated on the S system because it's a dual shutter system.

    Today I use a Leica S(006) and five CS lenses + the S-100/2 (which doesn't come in a CS version).

    No plan to change that, the system fits my needs perfectly.

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    It's been some time since anyone has posted to this thread and I'm keen to hear whether peoples opinions have changed now the S007 has been released.

    I've shot with a H3DII 22 for almost 10 years and have found it to be a solid performer. I don't need bells and whistles and the file quality from it, Phocus and my 28mm, 35mm, 50-110mm and 80mm lens have been great.

    I recently tested the H5D 50c against the Leica S007 and I'm considering changing brands. The H5D with Phocus is great for my interiors/architecture work because it removes ALL lens distortions perfectly but I've never been able/interested in taking it out for personal work.

    The Leica feels great in hand and I'm keen to start shooting more personal work but think it's let down by not having it's own dedicated raw converter. I believe more comprehensive lens profiles (like those used by Phocus) would produce even better results especially where lens distortion is concerned.

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    Like Hasselblad did, all the lens correction profiles were provided to Adobe by Leica for the S lenses when working in LR. Many of the S lenses are optically better corrected than some of the HC & HCD lenses that depend on DAC a bit more ... so when S lens profile corrections are applied in LR they show less corrections are needed when compared before-and-after, especially the wides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Like Hasselblad did, all the lens correction profiles were provided to Adobe by Leica for the S lenses when working in LR. Many of the S lenses are optically better corrected than some of the HC & HCD lenses that depend on DAC a bit more ... so when S lens profile corrections are applied in LR they show less corrections are needed when compared before-and-after, especially the wides.

    - Marc

    Hi Marc

    I tested a 006 with 24mm lens and even after the profile was added was left with clear moustache distortion which is clearly evident from the attached shot of my kitchen bench (note the bottom edge of the bench). I just tested the 007 with 24mm lens and the distortion APPEARED to have been fixed. In Leica's promotional material for the 007 they claim it records distance information in the metadata which I don't believe is a claim they made of the 006. If so this would account for the improved correction I found using the same lens on the 007. Leica's lens data shows distortion on all their lenses changes with focus distance and being complex moustache, rather than simple barrel or pincushion requires a proper profile to completely correct.

    Hasselblad also claim to have 200,000 profiles for their range of lenses covering every focal length, focus distance and aperture. I was speaking with a rep from Phase One and he said they didn't even have that level of correction for their lenses.

    This issue is fairly critical for me because I shoot interiors and architecture for a living and there is no way I could provide my clients with an image like the one attached. I do however LOVE the S system and am trying to overcome any problem/objection I have that prevents me from buying one.

    The 60 second exposure limit is surprising!

    I also found some confetti and hot pixels when pushing files 1-2 stops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Like Hasselblad did, all the lens correction profiles were provided to Adobe by Leica for the S lenses when working in LR. Many of the S lenses are optically better corrected than some of the HC & HCD lenses that depend on DAC a bit more ... so when S lens profile corrections are applied in LR they show less corrections are needed when compared before-and-after, especially the wides.

    - Marc

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    Re: From Hasselblad to Leica S ... ?

    Have you considered the HTS since you do mainly architecture work? That would be another selling point for the H system. Even if the HTS will work on the Leica S, the distortion correction would not, so it is really only useful on H cameras if you are doing architecture.

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