fat pixel digital backs

[pedro39photo]

For me the most important in DMF is the sensor dimension and the viewfinder.
The H3D / H4D have a great viewfinder but the mirror slap sound its so so aggressive that sometimes gets boring and annoying, the Mamiya 645 / Phase one have a camera body with less buttons user programmable but have a nice softer mirror slap.

I never tried the contax 645 viewfinder, but i think he have the better viewfinder and soft mirror slap of all MF 645 bodys.
For the backs i think that for the price range of 2000€ / 2500$ usd any full frame 1.1x its good with some limitations of the LCD / ISO / exposure time.

My objective with a low budget for the DMF was keep the passion and the pleasure of composing with huge viewfinder/DOF/ aspect ratio that no 36MP 35mm system give me.

Its nice to have 40/50/60MP DMF system, but that came to a huge price range almost excessive...

After see the price ratio of the 50MP backs / euros / USD per MP and the return of the image / system bring to the photographic processes, for me its a excessive porn satisfaction. i don´t have anything against anyone spending 40.000 or 60.000$ in a DMF its great to have that money spend in the best, but for me the ratio gets to much high to see a real improvement.

I like the equation of having all the benefits of the DMF with a great price per MP. and the olds backs with fat pixeis shine an win in the price/DMF/ratio.

Some sample ratio numbers :

Used H3D 22MP + 2 lens (4000€ : 22MP) = 180€ per MP
Used H3D II 39MP + 3 lens (9000€ : 39MP) = 230€ per MP
Used Mamiya ZD + 3 lens (2700€ : 22MP) = 122€ per MP

I Know its very different system in quality and image, but in the end for me its almost the same fun because its DMF and not 35mm system with more euros in my pocket for travel and prints...

Just a personal opinion, great Christmas for all and sorry my bad English

Pedro

One more sample of a "very old...Mamiya ZD" and crops

 

[bensonga]

Very nice images Pedro!

Gary

 

[Professional]

Maybe i prefer to post samples here than on the other thread "Fun with MF", because i feel i am down with my 60mp, i have Hassy 60 and i feel i have not that great system because it is all about that P1 and Credo 80, even their 60mp backs getting more whistles than 60 of Hasselblad, and with their different bodies because open DB and mine is a closed system i feel myself i have a poor guy 60mp, so here i feel people don't care much about the highest or latest DB technology.

 

[jotloob]

Professional

I feel very much the same here . And I work with a CFV-39 and CFV-50 (only) . I feel a "kind of ignorance" for some brands here in this forum resulting in a somewhat low esteem , although absolutely undeserved .
I noticed that also in other threads , for example in the µFT threads .
It makes me kind of sad and I am sure it won't change , as it has been like that already for a long time .

 

[fotografz]

You guys need to grow a pair.

Get in there and display your work on the fun with MFD ... it barks with all the big dogs, and then some.

IMO, there is NO lowly MFD ... it is all good. Big is good.

- Marc

 

[danlindberg]

We are all different but I think the other way around. My Aptus II 5 produces better texture and 3d feel than any of the big guns in my opinion. It is more limited for light conditions, no long exposures and prone for moire, but when the light is right - Oh my, it outshines in FEEL the denser pixeled backs.

I have no problem whatsoever in going hiking for thoughtful photography and leaving the Credo 60 at home and bringing the A5. I for one will not hesitate for a split second mingling with my 22mp images around 80mp images. Why should I ? Surely it is the final result that counts…..

Today with a little patience you can pick up an Aptus II 5 + Alpa TC + Schneider 72 L for very reasonable money. Maybe even comparable with a Sony A7R + Otus. I need not write what I would go for…….:too cool:

The mp race has nothing to do with evolving as a photographer. Nothing.

 

[jotloob]

Dan

Its not an MP-race . I know .
IMO its a (digital back) brand race and that is what confuses me .

 

[GrahamWelland]

Today with a little patience you can pick up an Aptus II 5 + Alpa TC + Schneider 72 L for very reasonable money. Maybe even comparable with a Sony A7R + Otus. I need not write what I would go for…….:too cool:

The mp race has nothing to do with evolving as a photographer. Nothing.

Dan,

I think you'd struggle to pick up the entire Alpa combo you cited there for A7R / Otus 55/1.4 money but certainly you could get close for the body / adapter / lens combo. If you know of someone selling an Aptus II 5 at those kind of prices please PM because I'll buy it!! (I sold off my P25+ and converted my Aptus 65M to IR so I'm short of a fat pixel regular back these days to go with the IQ260).

I completely agree with you about the pixel race. Many of my favourite shots remain those taken with 16mp/22mp/28mp backs and stand up in print alongside anything I've shot with the larger backs.

 

[KeithL]

I've been using my fat-pixel Hasselblad H3DII-22 for about 5 years, shooting for press and fine-art print. I've loved every minute of using it and not had the slightest desire to 'upgrade' to the higher MP backs. The image quality is just devine.

Reluctantly I will be selling the Hasselblad system in the New Year - due to retirement from commercial work - but I know I’m going to miss it terribly!

 

[fotografz]

I've been using my fat-pixel Hasselblad H3DII-22 for about 5 years, shooting for press and fine-art print. I've loved every minute of using it and not had the slightest desire to 'upgrade' to the higher MP backs. The image quality is just devine.

Reluctantly I will be selling the Hasselblad system in the New Year - due to retirement from commercial work - but I know I’m going to miss it terribly!

ALWAYS love your work Keith!

I also retired more fully from commercial work last year and sold my H4D/60 MFD system which I still pine for .

While not a fat pixel kit, I share every one's fondness for them. The 16s and 22s still have that certain magic unduplicated by anything before or since.

Oh well, life goes on.

- Marc

 

[KeithL]

Thanks Marc, much appreciated!

A very Happy New year to you and all here on GetDPI.

Keith

 

[BANKER1]

Keith,

Just got my H3D22 back from NJ to have the IR filter replaced. It has been sitting on the shelf since I got my H4D60, but I was always amazed by the files from the 22. The only thing I ever encountered with that back was moire, and I was not very proficient at correcting it in PP. If not for that, I would have been very happy with it and would have never considered upgrading to the 60.

Greg

 

[KeithL]

Greg, thankfully my subjects weren't particularly prone to moiré, but yes, it can be a problem with these backs. I think I posted an example earlier in this thread.

Keith

 

[AaronK]

P21+, PO 645AF, Mamiya 35mm lens

 

[AaronK]

One more for tonight. Watkins Glen, New York.

Phase One 645AF, 80mm lens, P21+, 0.6 second exposure.

Happy New Year everyone!

 

[thrice]

Great shot Aaron, creative composition and nice contrast.

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[SahotaR]

RZ67, 110mm at 2,8, ISO50

I am going back to look at this image again and again, really like it.


Rupinder

 

[MaxKißler]

I am going back to look at this image again and again, really like it.


Rupinder

Thanks for the kind words Rupinder. There is also another version (see below) which might look a tad less arranged.

View attachment 79339

 

[GrahamWelland]

Thanks for the kind words Rupinder. There is also another version (see below) which might look a tad less arranged.

Max,

I definitely think that the graphical arrangement and colour/texture contrast of the earlier version is a much stronger image. The very bold lines of the background with the blending of the dress combined with the pop of the face / lips / blouse against the striped background work very well.

Btw, try it with a crop vertically where the white background diagonal meets the right side too and see what you think.

 

[tsjanik]

Maybe i prefer to post samples here than on the other thread "Fun with MF", because i feel i am down with my 60mp, i have Hassy 60 and i feel i have not that great system because it is all about that P1 and Credo 80, even their 60mp backs getting more whistles than 60 of Hasselblad, and with their different bodies because open DB and mine is a closed system i feel myself i have a poor guy 60mp, so here i feel people don't care much about the highest or latest DB technology.

Professional

I feel very much the same here . And I work with a CFV-39 and CFV-50 (only) . I feel a "kind of ignorance" for some brands here in this forum resulting in a somewhat low esteem , although absolutely undeserved .
I noticed that also in other threads , for example in the µFT threads .
It makes me kind of sad and I am sure it won't change , as it has been like that already for a long time .

You and Tareq should not feel that way; people post using all kinds of MF equipment, including film. Your images would be quite welcome there.