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    Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    I have a ZD camera with an older firmware (1.00). I found an article, that there is a newer firmware:
    GEAR TALK - LIFE WITH A MAMIYA ZD 1.10

    Mamiya germany told me, that there is a new version 1.12. But the update could only made there and it costs 280 Euro + tax + shipping.

    I had "some problems" with the tonal range / dynamic range of the camera. It's a wonderful camera for good weather - but in the winter-time it's not very fine. If I shoot landscape the pictures are ok - but in the shadows there is much grain.

    I know pictures out of a DM22 or Leaf Aptus II-7 ( this should be a DM33 ) - they are much better. And for what I know, the DM22-sensor is nearly the same as the sensor in my ZD.

    So I wanted to know, if perhaps a newer firmware can help my ZD.
    If anyone knows anything or has a newer firmware on his ZD - thanks a lot for helping!

    Here is an example:




    100% crop:



    This makes the newer DM22 much better ( sorry; I had no example this time ). And perhaps the newer firmware can help.
    Or is the only reason for the different 16bit vs. 14bit on the ZD?
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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware bigger 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    The sensor in your ZD is not "a similar size" - it is in fact the exact same sensor as in a dm22.

    The quality of that sensor is really very good, especially for its time. But alas you need more than a good sensor to consistently achieve high quality images.

    The number of bits in the a/d converter is an over simplified way of looking at the difference. But it is fair to say that all the supporting electronics, firmware, and hardware choices are of higher quality on the other 22mp backs.

    I'd suggest trading it in towards a p25+, Aptus II 5, or other back. You'll find the perormance (both image quality and operation) far more consistent.
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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware bigger 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    The sensor in your ZD is not "a similar size" - it is in fact the exact same sensor as in a dm22.

    The quality of that sensor is really very good, especially for its time. But alas you need more than a good sensor to consistently achieve high quality images.

    The number of bits in the a/d converter is an over simplified way of looking at the difference. But it is fair to say that all the supporting electronics, firmware, and hardware choices are of higher quality on the other 22mp backs.
    Thanks for your statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    You'll find the perormance (both image quality and operation) far more consistent.
    Image quality - yes!
    But I love my ZD(camera) very much. I think, this should stay here even if I get one day my dream-back P45+. I love the simple use like as an DSLR. Only one battery, one switch - put it on the tripod, turn it on, focus - Mup-button - and photo. No two kinds of battery, turning on camera and back themselfs and so on. It's a simple MF-camera, which works.

    But for which price...? So I thought about if perhaps a firmware-update can help in image-quality - and not only in compatibility with AF-D-lenses ( this is written in the article above).
    The thing is, that Mamiya-germany (they called themselfs as "Mamiya", but it's only a firm who makes the service in the name of Mamiya) can't tell me, what's everything better with the new firmware. They can tell me a price - but didn't guaranteeing anything...
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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    Camera includes 2 firmware
    version 1.12 to only body camera-that is, there is no sense/ IMHO.
    version 1.03 to sensor (as digital back).
    firmware look Mamiya Digital PhotoStudio software.

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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    Ok. I have

    Camera Firmware 1.0
    Firmware 1.03

    Helps this you for an answer?
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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    it helps me ? is why me?
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    I'm looking for instructions on replacing the IR filter.
    my ZD body dont work- *Filtr busy* forever .

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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    I thought you were going to answer my original question...

    If you need some informations, perhaps you open your own thread...? In replacing the IR-filter I actually can't help you. This is a thing where I have my own (but other) questions...
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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    you were going to answer my original question
    no sense update Firmware.
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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    Ok. Thanks.

    It seems, that the dark parts look nearly the same with the newer firmware... Which firmware do you exactly have?
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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    I can not see version, do not have the Mamiya DPS.

    Are you concerned about finding fleas on 100% сropp.
    not the correct exposure, it is difficult to correct.
    * C1 7 look.

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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    DM22 is Leaf Aptus II 5 with a Mamiya sticker - it is not made by Mamiya.

    DM22 and ZD use the same sensor wafer, but completely different electronics, so the resulting image is not similar.

    DM22 also has significant noise problems.
    DM33 is a little better.
    DM40 and DM56 are much better.
    (All from Leaf)

    If you like the ZD and plan to keep it, then you might want to upgrade the firmware - who knows, it might improve some things.

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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    Yes; I want to keep the ZD. Handling is very nice; the poor man's S2.

    But for my feeling the firmware-upgrade is very expensive. For me nearly a quarter of the price I payed for the camera... So I wanted to know, if this will bring me something, I don't have today. Only because of a feeling I wouldn't do that.
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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    Is it really that noisy? I don't think the example image looks that bad. Haven't looked much at ZD images, but some at Aptus 22 / DM 22, and they have quite good DR if you ask me. Sure, it's not a Nikon D800, or even a DM40, but I'd say that that extra DR is more about "forensic recovery" than real image-making.

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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    I can't believe, that the pictures from a Leaf Aptus II-5 are so bad. Dan Lindberg had shown here some very good. And I know some pictures from a friend, who has this back, too.

    And if you mean the examples in this thread - this are pictures from the Mamiya ZD.
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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    this are pictures from the Mamiya ZD.
    exposure not the correct.
    not bad Firmware 1.03

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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    Measured on the snow; this ist pefect/ok. The problem is the dynamics - it's too high for the sensor. And if you want to brighten the darks, you will get much of grain.
    Or - and that is the question - perhaps it's not too high for the sensor and a new firmware could do a better job.

    It's not a perfect sample, but one which I can use without problems.
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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    Tell me adress Mamiya ZD service center in Europe.

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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hasselboy View Post
    Tell me adress Mamiya ZD service center in Europe.
    From where are you? I think every country has it's own service.
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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    I do not care what country.
    Me important hardware on-site repair without sending the camera in Japan.

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    Re: Mamiya ZD camera with firmware higher 1.10 - has it anybody...?

    Here's the adress of the german Mamiya-service:

    Mamiya Deutschland - Impressum

    If I asked, they told me, that they made it theirselfs. Perhaps you can ask before shipping. And I think, there must be a dealer in nearly every european country. The GetDPI Photography Forums - Powered by vBulletin
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