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    Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    I know Guy has been waiting for the lens. Mamiya Japan added November 20, 2008 press release saying availability as of November 2008 -

    Mamiya Press Release in english

    And the translated Japanese version with the date

    So, I imagine we should these state-side pretty soon.

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Thanks John yes looking forward to this lens. Last I heard was any day now but will check with the Phase folks when i talk with them on Monday.
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by John Black View Post
    I know Guy has been waiting for the lens. Mamiya Japan added November 20, 2008 press release saying availability as of November 2008 -

    Mamiya Press Release in english

    And the translated Japanese version with the date

    So, I imagine we should these state-side pretty soon.


    John:


    Mamiya released the dealer part and pricing info on Nov 3. The dealer memo states that order accepted Dec 1 and ship date would begin Dec 10. Now I noticed when ordering parts yesterday that the update on the price list stated Jan so I think it may be any day now or Jan. Time will tell.




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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    I have been waiting for this lens - I suspect it will become my all round stuck on body lens - my favourite medium wide angle focal length for street and snaps.

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    I got word that they started shipping yesterday. But they are in short supply.
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    I want to know if it is or is not the same optical design as the older 45mm
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Guy it is a new lens design, confirmed via the specs and also with talking to someone at Mamiya.
    It also features the new lens case design and has the mf/af clutch like on the 80mm D.
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    I WANT ONE!
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    • I GET IT FIRST
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    This thread should be deleted!


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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Agree, more money in the black hole

    pricing anyone
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    The new form-factor is very nice; the on-board clutch, etc. I have the poor-man's version, and my copy is quite nice, but if I was working like you, Guy, I'd want the new one. For now I'll have to wait and be content.

    I'm curious about price too.
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    need to sell my 35 and 55 for it
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Yeah, right now I'd need to trade a bag of my glass for it too, but the 35mm is a length I like, so I'll keep it. Of course I don't have a 28. Since my real business generates its own set of expenses, and I heard there was a recession (kicking my butt), my list of Mamiya "D" lenses will mostly have to wait.

    I did pick up the 120mm "D" macro recently (for a specific project) and it is looking very good so far. Of course I didn't have any of the previous macro models, so I don't have a good reference for comparison. Based on what I've seen in various files (and read) I accept that the Mamiya macros have mostly been good. The design improvements in the "D" 80, 150 and (hopefully) the 45 appear to be more "measurable".

    Sorry to ramble off-topic.

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Good point Dale the D lenses I think raised the bar quite a bit. I did not think the 80 was good as it proved last week when running those back tests. The 150 is just brilliant in the D lens. I always worried about the 28mm and forum fora on it but honestly this lens is turning out to be a real star. I am constantly getting great images from it , yea extreme corners do soften slightly but really has not been that visible. Some more from yesterday with it and it still impresses me. Couple things also the barrel distortion is a lot less than i thought, although C1 corrects it in one stroke of the key along with others like CA. Anyway it has really proven to be a winner on some of the projects i have been working on. Sure a tech camera maybe better but I work to fast sometimes.
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Agree, more money in the black hole

    pricing anyone
    Guy, the price is $2099 for the 45mm D.

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Thank you David. When do you get them in stock
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Thank you David. When do you get them in stock
    Guy,

    I've contacted Mamiya and trying to get a solid ETA for when the 45mm f/2.8D will be available in the U.S. I should have an answer today.

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Thanks Chris , let us know how many come in also. There are a few folks that may want them here.
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Thanks Chris , let us know how many come in also. There are a few folks that may want them here.
    Guy,

    We have some shipping from Mamiya today. I should have them the first part of next week.

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Great now i need to get my ski mask and go visit the bank AGAIN. LOL
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Chris---It would be great to have the new Mamiya 45mm "D" out with you in Carmel in February.... (*hint*)

    I think I might want one of these....

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Has anyone seen the suggested retail for the lens?

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    Has anyone seen the suggested retail for the lens?

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    Paul, I am pretty sure it's $2099 US...
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Paul, I am pretty sure it's $2099 US...
    That is the correct price. Ken, we should have one for Carmel... unless you want one yourself! If not.. maybe Don L. can give you one for Christmas!

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Thanks Jack,

    I will have to see if it's as sharp as the 55mm before purchase.

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    Thanks Jack,

    I will have to see if it's as sharp as the 55mm before purchase.

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    Agreed Paul! If it is as good as the 55 from corner to corner, and since it has the AF/MF clutch, I will be all over it
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Well folks, looks like mine will arrive tomorrow, just in time for a good, thorough test this weekend. Look for some test images early next week
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    I just have to say it. You bastard your just making me look bad on not keeping up with you. LOL

    I get the next one. LOL

    Congrats Bud i want FULL reports on my desk by Monday.
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    LOL! I think this is maybe the first time in history I have owned something new before you!

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Yea YOUR turn to be the guinea pig bud.
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Yeah... Unfortunately my history with being a guinea pig hasn't been very positive. I really hope this lens is better than the non-D version.
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Jack - I thought the 45/2.8 AF was supposed to be quite good in light of its floating element design. Sounds like you felt otherwise. I'm curious what you found lacking in the original AF and what you hope is improved with the new "D" version. Thank you.

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Well, I have mixed emotions about this. For the success of Mamiya, Phase One, and of course, wanting your new purchase to be good, I hope the lens is as wonderful as the new 150mm is in comparison to the old model. On the other hand, nothing reduces one's contentment with his/her current lenses like a new and improved option.

    I'm anxious to see your results.

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by John Black View Post
    Jack - I thought the 45/2.8 AF was supposed to be quite good in light of its floating element design. Sounds like you felt otherwise. I'm curious what you found lacking in the original AF and what you hope is improved with the new "D" version. Thank you.
    Hi John:

    With my non-D AF version of the 45, I found it excellent centrally to about 80% out, then the very edges through the corners fell off significantly --- to the point where they were unusable. This would usually dictate a crop was in order to about 50mm proportions, so not much gain over my 55 which is very good to excellent corner to corner at all apertures.

    So what I hope is improved with the 45 D, is the corners being as good as the rest of the lens so that the whole image is usable.

    Make better sense now?

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Jack,

    I fully expect the new 45 to be better than the non-D model, but your description of your non-D 45 sounds less satisfactory than what I experience. I'm not sure if mine is above average, yours was below average, or what. I have some fall-off in the corners, but it's not "unusable" in real-world shots (vis-a-vis corner sharpness). My 35mm is much softer in the corners than my 45mm, and my 55mm and 45mm are very close to one another, though I must admit that I haven't done honest, meaningful side-by-sides with the 45 and 55. Maybe ignorance is bliss.

    I hope and expect that the new 45 will be sharper to the edges and will have better contrast as well. It might be fun to see a side-by-side of old and new versions, but that might cost me too.

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Hi Dale:

    I very well could have had a "bad" 45 as I only ever used that copy. My 35, which I know is an above average copy, had corners as good or better than the 45 I had, though that 45's center was as good as my 55 with perhaps even slightly higher contrast. My 55 is very good in the corners though, so maybe it's above average too.

    If this new 45 D lens has corners equal to my 55, I will be a very happy camper. Then of course I'll need to sell the 35 and 55, and buy the 28
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Right, I could live with "soft corners" of the 28 too.

    Regarding my 45 non-D: I find that it's actually quite good, though not perfect. And the lower left is the weakest area, i.e. it's softer than the lower right. Mid-left edge seems a skosh softer too, but not at all unusable.

    I'm not sure how my 35mm compares to others, but I don't feel that the corners are too soft to use the files all the way to corners. And that's without using the lens correction of C1 4.5.x. I expect that software improvement to make it even better. I suppose that Guy's trick of using the 35mm correction on the 28mm would also work for someone with a 45mm lens showing soft corners. (?)

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Yea it should . I do happen to have a stellar 35mm and 55mm so that maybe hard to give up unless this 45mm is much better. I want the MF control on this lens in the worst way so i would give up my 35 and 55 for it. Since i have the 28mm than it make sense. After shooting the 28mm for awhile now, i have really grown to like it a lot. Besides that it is bringing in revenue. These things for me need to bring in money and if they sit to long than i will sell it in a heart beat. I have ice in my veins when it comes to gear, nothing is sacred. No brand loyalty and no one is paying me to shoot a brand either. If something is not good than I am not afraid to say it.
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Allyn View Post
    I suppose that Guy's trick of using the 35mm correction on the 28mm would also work for someone with a 45mm lens showing soft corners. (?)
    Well my old 45 corners were literally mush -- and ironically the lower left was the worst too -- but since mush is mush I don't think any amount of sharpening would help...
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Guy, I think that's the best approach for working gear.

    In my case, the older Mamiya glass is important because of the cost to image quality ratio. I hate to crop, so want lenses to be usable to the edges, but for now can not justify getting all new "D" lenses for this kit. Like you, I don't have any emotional attachment or a need to justify ownership of a lens by trying to convince myself that it's a great copy or whatever. Heck, right now I'm shooting very little, and mostly crap at that, so none of it really matters.

    Still, I'm thrilled that Mamiya and Phase are working towards some great solutions. I was looking forward to the 45-90 to reduce my kit size for landscape. The 75-150 would be good for this too. I'm carrying too many lenses around (when I actually get out) and while I prefer primes, I have lately been wishing I had the convenience of a zoom or two to reduce the number of lens changes in the field. The recession is kicking my butt, so lens changes and old glass it is for a while.

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Well my old 45 corners were literally mush -- and ironically the lower left was the worst too -- but since mush is mush and I don't think any amount of sharpening would help.
    Agreed. This sounds more like some reports of the "lesser" copies of the 35mm lens.

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Totally understand and yes the Mamiya system is really nice because you can get some fine lenses for very little money and there good too. I like the 2 levels of lenses they have and they all produce very well . The D lenses are just better wide open or more towards wide open. I really like the system and i like the fact it is going to expand and grow. That part there has me excited about there future.
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Here is my 35mm out of the can as they say at F11 . I have a nice copy and this is without any sharpening. Corners or otherwise
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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Than with the lens corrections including corner sharpness. Fixes the barrel also but If i can get between this and the 55mm which is killer sharp than I would be real happy
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    Looks good, but I'll bet I'm sure it looks even better on your display. I hate sharing on-line jpegs after I look at the original file as a tiff at full-res.

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Yea the tifs are something else as you know. I do love MF images , they just jump off the screen. Even better my clients are saying the same thing. As they say in the Visa ads "Priceless"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Yea the tifs are something else as you know. I do love MF images , they just jump off the screen. Even better my clients are saying the same thing.
    That's what counts happy campers, clients or self.

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    Re: Mamiya 45mm F2.8 "D" Press Release

    Well it arrived...

    Summary so you don't have to read the rest --- it is the old lens in a new dress
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    THE GOOD:

    1) The build quality is excellent, and of course has the AF/MF switch like the other D lenses.
    2) AF is a lot faster and virtually silent.
    3) The center 2/3rds at f4.5 and up is very good to excellent, and shows high contrast. May actually be better than the 55 here.
    4) If you own a crop sensor back like the P30, then this lens is probably going to be excellent corner to corner.

    THE DISAPPOINTING:

    1) Optical performance is virtually the same as the old one I referenced earlier in this thread; not great.
    2) At f2.8, lens is unusable; f4, barely usable; f4.5 and up center 2/3rds is crisp, but corners never come in on my P45+
    3) Bottom line is the usable IC of this lens is less than the P45+ frame, and the image needs to be cropped to about 50mm proportions to have a sharp image corner to corner.
    4) And when I say the corners never come in, I mean never: My 35 at f5.6 is *much* better in the extreme corner than the 45 is at f11. Seriously.

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    Bummer.

    Don and I were just talking about the 45mm lens and hopes that it would be one of those "wow" D-series lenses ala 28mm, 75-150, and 150...as opposed to a minor update....

    After your experience, it's probably a foregone conclusion now to see how this lens will hold up to the P65+...

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