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    A Few Questions and Introduction

    Hello Everyone.

    My first post on this forum.

    First I want to thank Jack and Guy for hosting this forum.

    In my brief week of reading some of the threads and sections it seems like a nice place.

    My first post is a question, or series of.

    I'm in the market for a new system.

    Looking at (in this order) Hasselblad H5d, Pentax 645D, the previous generation Leaf or Phase back in a Contax mount.

    The only commonality to this list is all are ccd sensors and all are medium format.

    My real questions are:

    1. Has anyone used an H4d/H5d in heavy production tethered to a thunderbolt 17" powerbook?

    2. Has anyone used a Pentax 645d tethered with their $200 simple tethering software on a mac?
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    Believe it or not, all 3/4 of these systems will work within what I do as long as they are reliable, tether well, have the ability to manual focus with accuracy and decent autofocus. 800 iso clean is also a requirement and in the samples I've seen the Pentax and Hasselblad seem to do this well.

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    For some background:

    Presently own Phase One p21+ P30+ on Contax with full lenses. Also Leica m8, Canon 1dx, 1ds, fd2, Nikon D3, D700, all with full compliment of lenses.

    For video work we have two RED 1's, with PL and nikon mounts, Scarlet with Nikon and Canon mounts, Sony NEX fs100 with Zeiss A mounts for quick autofocus video.
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    We shoot advertising, lifestyle, fashion and illustrative sports/portraits.

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    I don't have any answers to your questions. But I'm happy you've arrived here and hope to see lots of your great work and insights posted.

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    Great to see you here!

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    BC welcome to the forum. Just some quick thoughts and my conclusions with regards to tethering. Now I can't speak for Hassy with Phocus tethered but I hear its good and Leica and Pentax seem to just be okay from what I hear. Your a special case with a ton of heavy production and reliability and performance is the key factor. I'm in the belief that you want great tethering than you have to have the same software that is specifically designed for the back. Otherwise its just a kludge ****. I have the Nikon with C1 and its nowhere as good as my phase backs tethered to C1 . Not even close. I never missed a frame with C1 and a Phase back. Your options are really Hassy, phase or Leaf. I have tested the S2 and again okay but not under your roof. The Pentax I never tested and from a distance not sure I would trust it given your hard use of it with tethering.
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    Honestly I think a great back for you and I know what you shoot and I think a 6 micron back would be the ticket but your not really needing a IQ series since your tethered and you need a brick of a back plus easily get in a Contax mount is the P65 although FireWire. Now the IQ can take USB 3 which my Nikon uses its not bad and all the new Macs are USB 3 but you need repeaters in the line for it. I wish I knew more of the Hassy but your dealer does sell both and I think its worth testing them both out. Hell I would like to try the Hassy myself.
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    Let me add here as I know BCs requirements which are not like a everyday shooter. He and his production team may shoot thousands of images tethered in a day and wash and repeat the next day. His systems needs to be a rock. I never get to these production levels and maybe the most is 2 thousand in a day. For the folks more at my level of production the Pentax and Leicas maybe just fine but when your in these numbers than things change.
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    Clean at 800 ISO? Which Phase backs can do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    .... Hell I would like to try the Hassy myself.
    Guy, I just wanted to remind you---your wife reads these forums on occasion...

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    Depends on your definition of clean. Lol

    My take it can do 400 really well. But you can shoot with sensor plus at 15mpx which I have done a lot and its clean at 1600. BTW these 15mpx are more like 20 in 35 land. It's damn good.

    But you want more pull out your Nikon or Canon.
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    Guy, I just wanted to remind you---your wife reads these forums on occasion...
    Thanks bud, I do have to be careful. Lol
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    Depends on your definition of clean. Lol

    My take it can do 400 really well. But you can shoot with sensor plus at 15mpx which I have done a lot and its clean at 1600. BTW these 15mpx are more like 20 in 35 land. It's damn good
    This does surprise me. I struggle to keep things clean on the IQ180 even at 100.

    Which back are you referring to Guy?

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    IQ 160

    I'm surprised your not getting better. Are you using C1
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    I'm certainly not in a position to comment on daily tethering, especially with the 645D as I tried out two pieces of tethering software briefly (Pentax's and 3rd party) and Guy is right...with the image numbers we're talking about, the Pentax would definitely be too slow and kludgy. I've occasionally used tethering when necessary but definitely wouldn't rely on it with the 645D on any consistent basis and then again only for a small studio shoot or demonstration. The 645D is also not a speed demon with write times due to slow internal processor speed.

    With regards to the high ISO performance, this is where the 645D shines among those systems mentioned. In good light and with proper exposure, ISO 800 on the 645D is remarkably clean and what noise there might be in underexposed areas of the frame, generally clean up well (if necessary). I'm not refering to baseline ISO clean, but definitely impressive when all is considered. Image quality at it's price is also it's strong suit, especially when lens selection is carefully chosen.

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    I think you nailed it with "depends on your definition of clean" comment.

    Once you've worked with the IQ180 at ISO35, it's kind of hard to accept anything less. The problem I have is that on the occasions when I tend to need to bump the ISO up, I also need to up the exposure time. In my experience, there is a huge difference in quality of 30 second files between ISO35 and ISO100.

    (all with C1 of course)

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    I appreciate that things may be very different at much faster shutter speeds, but I don't ever need to shoot anything high ISO, high shutter speed.

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    I totally get what your saying it is not ISO 35 images for sure.
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    This is a great forum BC thanks largely to Jack and Guy (and the posters). I'm sure you'll enjoy your time here and we look forward to your posts.

    As mentioned, tethering with 645D seems anemic. I haven't used it nor seen much posted, but here's a thread:
    First look at Pentax Official Tethering Software for 645D - PentaxForums.com

    As for the high ISO, 1600 is usable for my puposes and I usually don't apply noise reduction to ISO 400 and below; here's a recent example @ 400 with a heavy crop, the whites and blacks are quite clean except at 100%, where some noise starts to appear. I realize that your demands are quite different than mine, but I really like the color as it comes out of this camera, although red-purple seems a have some problems. No color processing in the shot below, just some levels adjustments.

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    Yes we do have a SEPARATE section for that other camera. Lol

    I own the damn thing and can't even write the name down I'm so polluted . ROTFLMAO
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    Welcome BC!

    I use Hasselblad H4D-50 and a Macbook pro 17. I'm always shooting tethered with firewire in the studio using Phocus software. I do not shoot your volumes on a regularly basis, but for me it works very well and shooting wireless through the iPad is really sweet. I think the trick to have the tethered workflow fluid is to keep your Mac clean.

    However, I would not recommend shooting iso 800 with the H4D-50. I would not use anything above iso 400 for commercial work unless you are planing on using the noise in the image.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortpballer View Post
    Welcome!

    Thanks for the replies.

    There is a lot of things I want from a camera, obviously image quality is important, but that is a moving scale depending on what and how any of us work.

    We do a lot with HMI's we use to do with flash, so 800 is important. Anything over that I have 35mm cameras that do the job and I like them, but don't love them.

    The phase back is intriguing, but the two issues I have about it is the samples I've seen at 800 iso (at full resolution) seem limited, I don't dislike the DF camera, (don't love it) and to add a new back to my contax' really isn't an option.

    The contax' works well, but they're old. I take great care of them and under lighter, editorial production they're great, but they focus slower than the newer mfd cameras, the connections at times can be iffy when shooting 1,000 frames a day and maybe I'm just a little bored with them.

    I have had amazing reliability from my phase backs. Actually no equipment other than C-stands has lasted as well as the P+ backs, so I do have hesitation in changing brands . . . except . . .

    Everybody says looks don't matter, but on set working I want the equipment to look more specialized and different. I'm not saying that's right for everyone, but that's what I want and one of the reasons I like the H4d Stainless and the H5d.

    Actually if the DF+ looked more like this



    I'd be more open to accepting it, but I've inquired and it's not possible to change the color to a matte white that is durable.

    I know it's more about the quality of the file and the operation of the camera than the looks of a camera, but when I spend this kind of money, I want the camera to look less 35mm and more "wow what is that".

    I know that statement on some forums would get me blasted about the photograph only matters, clients can't tell the difference, etc. etc., but in my experience, everything matters. Crew, catering, glitch free production, obviously budget and equipment that doesn't look like what a client can find at their local store.
    (I'm not knocking anyone's camera, btw).

    The Pentax interests me because it does a clean 800 iso from every sample I've seen. I know the buffer is slow, though I have our Canons cranked down to as slow as they can go and still shoot way to many images. Two weeks ago we produced a lifestyle fashion project on location and shot 7,000 files for the week, and except for a quick burst of the talent walking, everything was shot at click, focus, click, focus, so a Pentax wouldn't slow me up that much.

    The only thing is except for the Red limited edition 645d, the pentax does look a little 35ish.

    . . . and I'm not going to bring up the 35mm vs. mfd debate. I pray I never have to have that discussion again, because it's been rehashed 100000000 times, mostly by people that don't use both systems and even if they do, the result is it always becomes hurtful.

    Nothing is worse than to see someone save and buy a camera they like and have a few people jump on them saying they F'uped and should have bought a blah, blah. blah. Why throw cold water on someone who likes what they use?

    It's like going to a dp and saying why did you rent an Arri when a red rent's for 1/2 price? The DP doesn't care, they like what they use and use what they like.

    And this is really the reason for this. I want to use a camera I like, even love, a camera that is different, not one that just does the job.*

    Once again, thanks.

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    Beautiful shot.

    Full Res 800 on the IQ160 and IQ180 is pretty limited.

    But sensor+ is 20mp on an IQ180 and you already use/love the P21+ which is "only" 18mp. So using an IQ180 at 200/400 full resolution when possible/practical and pushing a button to shoot a really good 800/1600 in sensor+ when needed is something to consider test. As a bonus the shooting speed, editing speed, and tethering speed in sensor+ is really fast.
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    You want something that is different, something with a quality file. Well, surprised I'm the first to say it : Alpa - unique shooting experience with the most beautiful camera in the world! With a P45+ back or if you like the hasselblad files you can use a hassy back too

    You talk of Arri in comparison to Red.
    Give an Alpa a test try and you will see that it is exactly what you are looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcooter View Post
    Thanks for the replies.

    There is a lot of things I want from a camera, obviously image quality is important, but that is a moving scale depending on what and how any of us work.

    We do a lot with HMI's we use to do with flash, so 800 is important. Anything over that I have 35mm cameras that do the job and I like them, but don't love them.

    The phase back is intriguing, but the two issues I have about it is the samples I've seen at 800 iso (at full resolution) seem limited, I don't dislike the DF camera, (don't love it) and to add a new back to my contax' really isn't an option.

    The contax' works well, but they're old. I take great care of them and under lighter, editorial production they're great, but they focus slower than the newer mfd cameras, the connections at times can be iffy when shooting 1,000 frames a day and maybe I'm just a little bored with them.

    I have had amazing reliability from my phase backs. Actually no equipment other than C-stands has lasted as well as the P+ backs, so I do have hesitation in changing brands . . . except . . .

    Everybody says looks don't matter, but on set working I want the equipment to look more specialized and different. I'm not saying that's right for everyone, but that's what I want and one of the reasons I like the H4d Stainless and the H5d.

    Actually if the DF+ looked more like this



    I'd be more open to accepting it, but I've inquired and it's not possible to change the color to a matte white that is durable.

    I know it's more about the quality of the file and the operation of the camera than the looks of a camera, but when I spend this kind of money, I want the camera to look less 35mm and more "wow what is that".

    I know that statement on some forums would get me blasted about the photograph only matters, clients can't tell the difference, etc. etc., but in my experience, everything matters. Crew, catering, glitch free production, obviously budget and equipment that doesn't look like what a client can find at their local store.
    (I'm not knocking anyone's camera, btw).

    The Pentax interests me because it does a clean 800 iso from every sample I've seen. I know the buffer is slow, though I have our Canons cranked down to as slow as they can go and still shoot way to many images. Two weeks ago we produced a lifestyle fashion project on location and shot 7,000 files for the week, and except for a quick burst of the talent walking, everything was shot at click, focus, click, focus, so a Pentax wouldn't slow me up that much.

    The only thing is except for the Red limited edition 645d, the pentax does look a little 35ish.

    . . . and I'm not going to bring up the 35mm vs. mfd debate. I pray I never have to have that discussion again, because it's been rehashed 100000000 times, mostly by people that don't use both systems and even if they do, the result is it always becomes hurtful.

    Nothing is worse than to see someone save and buy a camera they like and have a few people jump on them saying they F'uped and should have bought a blah, blah. blah. Why throw cold water on someone who likes what they use?

    It's like going to a dp and saying why did you rent an Arri when a red rent's for 1/2 price? The DP doesn't care, they like what they use and use what they like.

    And this is really the reason for this. I want to use a camera I like, even love, a camera that is different, not one that just does the job.*

    Once again, thanks.

    BC




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    To add to my comments above, and from my various levels of experience with some of the camera options mentioned, I think a case could be made "for" and "against" the list of choices and it will come down to which personal requirements lead the list. Most are tangibles and then there is the one of simply using a camera that you love to use. That one is not always an easy assets for someone to recommend to another. The Pentax has the clean higher ISO performance, even at 800 but doesn't have efficient tethering.

    It does look and respond a bit like an oversized 35mm DSLR but that also turns out to be a strong asset as it rarely if ever hangs up or displays a glitch and has an excellent record of reliability. I haven't had a chance to post recent comparative images of test shots under studio lighting/strobes with both the 645D and Leica "S", but on preliminary examination of the files, the Pentax held it's own under these circumstances in terms of image quality. I'm not suggesting it could match the Leica in many other types of shooting, but with the right lenses it does a more than adequate job, especially for fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortpballer View Post
    You want something that is different, something with a quality file. Well, surprised I'm the first to say it : Alpa - unique shooting experience with the most beautiful camera in the world! With a P45+ back or if you like the hasselblad files you can use a hassy back too

    You talk of Arri in comparison to Red.
    Give an Alpa a test try and you will see that it is exactly what you are looking for.

    Unique tools for a unique artist.
    Nothing in Alpa is set for a 1000+ Pic day....lovely hardware but not at this level of production....yes you can do it but why would you want to....can see this as a solution for those days you want to break out of the production mold but not on a regular basis.

    This is based on my experience and life long love of a TC and H3D II 39 with R/S lenses....

    Coots I am a bit surprised you did not move to the EPIC...it has that build quality and robustness that exceeds most other equipment and can be configured any way you want.

    No tethering but RAW in real time or 48FPS with a decent monitor for client viewing....just don't let them pick the stills.

    Graham has provided wonderful output to PS and 800 matches most anything out there....a bit small file but the Dragon chip will be better in DR and size and ISO....

    Add Leica M lens compatibility, PL or Nikon mount and all day battery compatibility.....

    Couple of pics....not to influence your decision. And I admit I liked the output from my R1 ... just did not like the form factor.

    RED EPIC Leica M Mount










    RED EPIC Nikon ZF.2 100 Macro ISO 800 Equivalent






    RED EPIC Nikon ZF.2 35 1.4 Macro ISO 800 Equivalent










    RED EPIC Nikon ZF.2 35 1.4 ISO 640 Equivalent







    RED EPIC VC Nokton 1.1 Macro ISO 400 Equivalent




    You know the workflow and the process...and I am sure you would have done this already if it made sense....

    Love to see how this plays out...the Contax system has served you well but not sure how much longer it will play at these levels...

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    hi bcooter,

    as always the right approach to it is to try one out if the time/circumstances permit. just try to fool yourself on your next shoot thinking that everything went wrong and you have to shoot that unfamiliar H4D/H5D "backup" camera… :-) otherwise I may have some uncompromising raws at iso 800/1600 (h4d-40) that I could hand you over. just drop me a pm if you want.
    tested one out some time ago and found the quality to be very good if the exposure is right at high ISO. better than any other back I used or tried. my dilemma at that time was the design of the camera which I really hated. must say it meanwhile grew up on me and in the end its about file quality, color and the mojo of the lenses. and that's where the hasselblad delivers in my opinion.

    I predict you'll like the camera and may question the software for your style of shooting. phocus is nowhere near C1 regarding flexibility and speed of use IMO. (especially on a older 17" macbook pro). you'll like to get the latest macbook pro along with the camera…
    of course we should expect the H5D to make a jump over the H4D in every regard. so a few more dollars for the latest tech…
    then we all know that the grass is greener on the other side and… in fact most of the more appreciated photographers almost never seem to care about the latest and the greatest tech… :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    .............snip.......... I am a bit surprised you did not move to the EPIC...it has that build quality and robustness that exceeds most other equipment and can be configured any way you want.

    No tethering but RAW in real time or 48FPS with a decent monitor for client viewing....just don't let them pick the stills.

    Graham has provided wonderful output to PS and 800 matches most anything out there....a bit small file but the Dragon chip will be better in DR and size and ISO....

    Add Leica M lens compatibility, PL or Nikon mount and all day battery compatibility.....
    You know the workflow and the process...and I am sure you would have done this already if it made sense....

    Love to see how this plays out...the Contax system has served you well but not sure how much longer it will play at these levels...

    Bob
    Bob,

    Thanks.

    Dig the Leica lens on the Scarlet. Stuff like that give me a photo stiffy.

    It's so cool when people go against the grain and do it there own way.

    I mean that's why we did this . . . right . . . not to do it the way everyone else does?

    Anyway . . .

    We've used the R1's and Scarlet for stills.



    Worked fine for waist up and tight shots, full length they always look a little soft, regardless of shutter, regardless of lens mount.

    I just don't think motion stills are exactly there yet. Even small still cameras seem to produce a little better still image than our REDs, though I didn't buy an Epic, mainly because it didn't do much more than I needed over the Scarlet and I only use the Scarlet as a C camera. I love the R1's.

    I'll test soon and find out what I want. I may stick with my Contax and probably would if they had that 40mpx ex Kodak sensor in a back.

    But then again it's probably time to go to something more modern without going crazy.

    Big part is I loathe the 35mm format in vertical position. Horizontal it's ok, Vertical just breaks my brain.

    People will laugh at this but I love the look of the Pentax special edition.

    Looks a little sissy, but I saw one in person and it's truly beautiful, but I don't think it's $5,800 more beautiful.



    Love those old cameras dearly, but use them less than I'd like.

    I also don't need really tricked out tethering software, just something that collects the images, because when we run eos utility we only use it to collect as we run everything to a folder in Adobe bridge.

    Hey Doug, what don't you talk those Phase guys into letting blad and Pentax use there software? I don't think they'd mind . . . do you?

    Anyway, thanks for all the replies.

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    Your mentioning the special edition indicates resistance is futile

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    Welcome to the forum!

    Test drive the Hasselblad H5D/40. It's the fastest H to date ... improved True Focus, better ergonomics, better weather sealing, higher capacity battery, attention to detail, blah, blah, blah. Very good ISO 800 and a decent 1600 if care is taken with exposure.

    One feature I like on the H cameras is the one button manual WB setting, press the button, camera fires the WB shot and sets it, no menu etc.

    Phocus v2.7.1 is much improved, faster tethering, more color control, etc.

    The H5 is still FW800 and requires an adapter for Thunderbolt connections.

    Nice looking camera.

    Personally, I use a Leica S2 now for three reasons ... the lenses, the lenses, and ... the lenses. Being new, ground-up designs for digital, they have a feel and acuity of their own, and are all very consistent lens-to-lens. The S-120/2.5 APO Macro is the first MF lens that finally surpassed my beloved Zeiss 120/4 Macro from when I used a Contax 645.

    The camera is pretty good too, easy to work with over longer periods of time, very simple elegant and fast interface, features a dual shutter with 1/4000 FP and 1/1000 leaf shutter ... not that means as much to you, but I do strobe work outdoors a lot.

    Tethered interface is via Lightroom ... even though Leica has one of it own, it's a half hearted effort, Lightroom is faster and offers more non-distructive RAW adjustments than any other MFD software. Leica has provided the color profiles, and lens corrections (which some lenses hardly need).

    I've shot full days with a tethered S2P and it was fine unless you machine gun it.

    Also a nice looking camera system. Oozes build quality.

    Did I mention the S lenses?

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    You may want to look at a Hassy H4x with and iq 180 or 280. So you get the benefit of both with sensor + for the higher iso images. I have the H4x and iq140, love it,but would prefer a 40-50 mpx back with micro lenses, so we get a little larger p30+ file with the nice high iso's. or you could use the H4x with a H mount P30+, so you get the benefit of the newer camera technology/slicker look.
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    The one area I've experienced that Marc references in his post are the Leica S lenses. Each one I've tried were simply in a class of their own and as good as the Pentax 120mm f4 macro for the 645D was, the Leica macro was that much better when used with the Leica "S".

    While on the subject of 645D and fashion, I had previously quoted the wrong names of well know photographers that use the 645D/Pentax. There is Kerrick James (who I mentioned previously) who extensively does travel/landscape photography I believe in Asia (Japan) quite extensively with the 645D and then there is Benjamin Kanarek, who shoots for Vogue and Harpers Bazaar with Pentax but not sure how much if any with the 645D.

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    You may want to look at a Hassy H4x with and iq 180 or 280. So you get the benefit of both with sensor + for the higher iso images. I have the H4x and iq140, love it,but would prefer a 40-50 mpx back with micro lenses, so we get a little larger p30+ file with the nice high iso's. or you could use the H4x with a H mount P30+, so you get the benefit of the newer camera technology/slicker look.
    I actually like this idea but maybe with a faster IQ 160. This would still keep you in C1 tethering and give you a camera that looks good on set. I know its about Image but I do agree on the look on set. Seriously just having a MF system of 60 mpx I got a lot of comments from clients on how cool that is. Needless to say you invested that kind of money to produce there images. Believe it or not it does count. Yes it's marketing but we are in business and market ourselves as photographers, looking good is part of that marketing.

    I shot thousands of sensor plus images at high ISO with the 160 and they are damn good.

    Here is a article on the 160 with sensor plus

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    Hey thanks everyone for the suggestions.

    I gotta admit the phase is on my list, wish the Leaf did the pixel binning thing, it's still the camera I put it on that's the hang up.

    I hate having to buy a second hand h1 then trade it in for an h4x then do the lens thing and well, lot of money, more time, more things.

    I also admit I love the look of the H5d and the H4d Platinum.

    Actually, call me a sissy but I dig the RED pentax, but 13.9 big bills is a lot for a Pentax.

    BTW: The Leica is killer, except for the 2:3 crop. I really can't wrap my head around a 2:3 crop on a vertical, though horizontal it's great.

    Leica has the bling, but it's also got the cost of a lambo for three lenses and by the time we add the floor mats.

    Thanks everyone, I let you know as I go down this road.

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    I actually like this idea but maybe with a faster IQ 160. This would still keep you in C1 tethering and give you a camera that looks good on set. I know its about Image but I do agree on the look on set. Seriously just having a MF system of 60 mpx I got a lot of comments from clients on how cool that is. Needless to say you invested that kind of money to produce there images. Believe it or not it does count. Yes it's marketing but we are in business and market ourselves as photographers, looking good is part of that marketing.

    I shot thousands of sensor plus images at high ISO with the 160 and they are damn good.

    Here is a article on the 160 with sensor plus

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    Hey thanks everyone for the suggestions.

    I gotta admit the phase is on my list, wish the Leaf did the pixel binning thing, it's still the camera I put it on that's the hang up.

    I hate having to buy a second hand h1 then trade it in for an h4x then do the lens thing and well, lot of money, more time, more things.

    I also admit I love the look of the H5d and the H4d Platinum.

    Actually, call me a sissy but I dig the RED pentax, but 13.9 big bills is a lot for a Pentax.

    BTW: The Leica is killer, except for the 2:3 crop. I really can't wrap my head around a 2:3 crop on a vertical, though horizontal it's great.

    Leica has the bling, but it's also got the cost of a lambo for three lenses and by the time we add the floor mats.

    Thanks everyone, I let you know as I go down this road.

    BC


    There maybe a way around buying a H1 first. I love the Leica S but I still have some basic issues with it, cost , backup, repair and such but it is sexy. Not the biggest fan of 3:2 either although I'm living it now with my Nikons. But give me another year of medical bills and ill be back.
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    From what I've seen/read, I really think the combination of the H4X paired with an IQ160 (or better yet IQ260) is the calling. The Phase DF+ seems to be a love/hate body in transition to a new camera body from Phase.

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    H4X + IQ160 is a good piece of kit. We rent it often here in NYC.

    Any good dealer can deal with any of the hassle Hasselblad has imposed by restricting the purchase of H4X to owners of H1/H2 bodies. So while it does add to the cost I would not worry about the hassle factor.

    Or alternatively perhaps you could get creative and think of ways to pimp out a DF+. Custom paint job? Additional accessories?
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    I think the Pentax 645D may be due for an update soon. It came out around the same time as the Leica S2, but it has seen only a price drop with no new camera... at least not yet.

    When I saw the red 645D pic I thought "wow sexy... damn that's a lot of buttons." Does it bother anyone else that it has what appears to be two sets of buttons and switches for every single function there is? They should have kept it just like their older 645NII, there was nothing wrong with that camera.

    Any good dealer can deal with any of the hassle Hasselblad has imposed by restricting the purchase of H4X to owners of H1/H2 bodies. So while it does add to the cost I would not worry about the hassle factor.
    A local dealer of mine has an H4X on the shelf with an IQ180 back on it. I'm pretty sure there are dealers in many places in the world that have them.

    I tried out the S while there and it's carved from a solid block of obsidian by the dwarves of Middle Earth, if one tossed it, it would leave a crater at the point of impact - especially with the 120mm or 180mm on, those lenses are just monoliths. ISO800-1600 looks nice because the noise is totally monochromatic and there is no banding.

    I'm by far not the most qualified person on this board to be giving advice, but I am interested in getting a ~40mp MF camera as well, and have been sitting on the fence for quite a while.

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    Okay this comment comes from someone that has had 5 backs so yes I'm a sick puppy but my point with Pentax and Leica body styles is 1st backup situation, you just need two of them for a true backup. Sure ways around that and I could do that easily I guess. My second point and again referring to the insane person I am, it's the damn upgrade path that scares me. Now I admit upgrading backs is no financial picnic either but I did them pretty gradually with fairly low costs when it comes to backs. My biggest hurt was P40 to the IQ 160 and that was costly but it also was a big jump both in technology and mpx. Again this comes from a Pro's seat and for the hobbyists may mean diddly squat. I do like the Pentax and Leica for what they bring to the MF market though so don't get me wrong about them.
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    I think if you could put Phase backs on the Hy6 that would be my pick, that's one sexy camera, especially the new version. Phase has indicated they will be presenting their completely new camera 2013/14 though, might be a good idea to wait for that.

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    I think if you could put Phase backs on the Hy6 that would be my pick, that's one sexy camera, especially the new version. Phase has indicated they will be presenting their completely new camera 2013/14 though, might be a good idea to wait for that.
    The Mamiya Leaf Credo 60 and 80 can be purchased in an Hy6 mount. This Team Phase One product is very similar in function, quality, and operation to a Phase One IQ.
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    The Mamiya Leaf Credo 60 and 80 can be purchased in an Hy6 mount. This Team Phase One product is very similar in function, quality, and operation to a Phase One IQ.
    I know Doug, that's why I specifically said Phase backs. Leaf backs are nice, but they don't have pixel binning for starters, and Russel did say he wanted clean high ISO.

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    I know Doug, that's why I specifically said Phase backs. Leaf backs are nice, but they don't have pixel binning for starters, and Russel did say he wanted clean high ISO.
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    Fair point.

    I do appreciate everyone's input but what I what not everyone has.

    I do want a 4:3 crop cause I like it.

    I want a ccd, cause I like it and don't really like the generic cmos look.

    I don't want a mfd camera that looks like a black 35mm camera.

    Everybody has one . . . at least everybody in LA and NY. Heck my Neighbor's daughter (14 years old) has a nikon dslr.

    I also want when the case opens up it glows like that case in pulp fiction.

    I guess I'm going to have to find the retired guy that designed the contax, have my contax' taken apart and painted by west coast customs.

    Or maybe the HY6, but I'm kind of afraid of that thing. I've only seen one at a dealer and the battery was dead.

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    Don't be scared. The Hy6 in this house has flawlessly gone for hikes around Mt. Hood, 14,000' in Colorado, Amazon jungles and winter cold.

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    Hi BC,

    I went from Contax (with a Sinar back) to an H4D-40 last December, and I get my H5 this afternoon according to my dealer. I didn't fall in love with the H camera straight away, but now I'm happy with it.

    Some things I noticed are:

    -The mirror slap is horrendous. Set the mirror delay to 100ms and don't shoot below 1/125th handheld. Use mirror up for any still life work.

    -400ISO is fine with the 40, maybe that means 200 for the non-microlensed chips. 800 is ok as long as you don't mind grain. The software's NR could be a little better but it has a nice filmic look.

    -It's harder to focus manually with the Hassy compared to the Contax - don't know why, maybe it's the focussing screen, maybe the viewfinder, the lens characteristics, maybe I'm just getting old. I constantly back-focus. Ears sharp, eyes not, even at f8.

    -The lenses aren't as good as the Contax regarding colour fringing. They are pretty much as sharp, but the software corrections don't remove all the green/magenta fringing around highlights at anything wider than f5.6. Lightroom will do it fine, so I bring my tiffs into LR for final tweaking sometimes.

    -The camera has annoying little quirks regarding reliability. It tells me to reattach the lens, or the magazine at least once a day. Maybe I should have cleaned all the contacts with alcohol when I got it. We'll see how much better the H5 is. The lack of a vertical grip is a little annoying.

    -The ability to customise the camera buttons is a real bonus.

    -The software is good - not as good as C1 or Lightroom as far as features go, but it's reliable and produces great colour. I shoot tethered almost all the time. Forget about Lightroom for easy out-of-the-box colour - it sucks in my experience, even with Hassy's help creating a profile. It must be the LR 'color engine'

    Test out a camera for yourself but don't expect to love it straight away. I don't expect the H5 to be very different at all. But nice paint job.

    As you say, all IMO.

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    [QUOTE=bcooter;505300...painted by west coast customs.


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    Well how wrong I was. Got my H5D-40 and the mirror slap is greatly reduced. When I asked my dealer what had changed he said 'everything'. He's trying to get me a list from Hasselblad. 800 and 1600 ISO seem cleaner, although I have only tried a few quick shots in my studio. Seems like Hasselblad have changed more than we think with this camera.

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    Ben,

    That's great to hear.

    Thanks

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    As much as I love using my H3D when I look at it I’m reminded of Charles Laughton screaming The bells! The bells! Amazing what a difference a paint job can do, that H5D is more Jingle Bells than Quasimodo. Hey, it takes a certain confidence to talk cosmetics.

    BC, good to see you here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithL View Post
    As much as I love using my H3D when I look at it I’m reminded of Charles Laughton screaming The bells! The bells! Amazing what a difference a paint job can do, that H5D is more Jingle Bells than Quasimodo. Hey, it takes a certain confidence to talk cosmetics.

    BC, good to see you here.
    Thanks Keith, it's good to be here man. Good vibe, good place.

    The H5D looks good, real good.

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