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    Which Monitor

    Sorry to bother this forum with a monitor question but this, I think, is where the most knowledgable folks hang out.

    My Eizo 301W is near the end of its life - it's developed darkening on one side and a color cast. What should I replace it with? I assume another Eizo but which one?

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    NEC or Eizo, both are of equal quality.

    NEC are discounting many of their Spectraview monitors (UK) at the moment so possibly there might be a refresh coming so worth checking.

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    I just bough the EIZO ColorEdge CG276-self calibrating with its own built in color calibrating instrument. Awesome is an over used adjective-but not in this case-got a good deal from capture integration
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    I would look at both the 27" and 30 NEC's with Spectraview software.

    I have both a 2690 (older 26") and the 3090 (older version of the 30"). Both are excellent monitors and the profiling process is excellent with NEC software.

    The monitor that seesm to get the most conversation is the newer 27" NEC. I have wanted to replace my 26" with this version .

    One feature of the NEC's (not sure on Ezio) is that they all feature a rotation base so you can rotate the monitor 90 degrees., so if you work on web stuff a lot or portrait images it's a nice feature.

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    Re: Which Monitor

    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    Sorry to bother this forum with a monitor question but this, I think, is where the most knowledgable folks hang out.

    My Eizo 301W is near the end of its life - it's developed darkening on one side and a color cast. What should I replace it with? I assume another Eizo but which one?
    Have you checked with Eizo on a repair/replacement? Depending on the issue it may be a silly endeavor or a no brainer.

    If properly cared for their warranty is 5 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    NEC or Eizo, both are of equal quality.
    I'd agree that both are of excellent quality. Not sure I agree they are of "equal" quality. Anytime I've run my gamut of abuse tests (high-gamut long gradients at primary angles, adding grain to near saturated gamut colors and looking if it is visible to the eye, starting a level ramp at 0 directly on top of a continuous black bar and seeing where detail becomes apparent etc) the Eizo is the only one that performs flawlessly.

    I've not seen every NEC, but I've seen some of their best.

    An entirely separate argument of course is whether any of the differences I've noticed will matter in day to day use. But if you're just asking what the best monitor is, I stick to my assertion that it's an Eizo every time.

    Bias alert: we are Eizo dealers and not NEC dealers (though that is by choice and largely predicated on the above opinion).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    One feature of the NEC's (not sure on Ezio) is that they all feature a rotation base so you can rotate the monitor 90 degrees., so if you work on web stuff a lot or portrait images it's a nice feature.
    Most (maybe all) of the current Eizo line has a similar built-in rotation feature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    I've not seen every NEC, but I've seen some of their best.
    As far as I'm aware both monitors now use the same panels and the only difference will be the software they run.

    I'm sure you have seen these differences Doug but I've seen test reports (reviews) that suggest the NEC monitors perform better that the Eizo so I'd say its all swings and roundabout at this level.

    However, this is based on European Spectraview monitors designated "Reference" that are hand picked from the cream of the crop of the standard screens for colour gamut and uniformity. I don't think the US gets these screens and get standard multi syncs bundled with spectraview II software.

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    My understanding is that NEC monitors in Australia are inferior to Eizo. That came from a dealer who sells both.

    Quato, from what I have been told, are up there with Eizo but they seem to get little press, and I don't understand why.
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    NEC MultiSync PA301W - Easy to calibrate, excellent color, seamless with my Mac Pro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    NEC MultiSync PA301W - Easy to calibrate, excellent color, seamless with my Mac Pro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffg53 View Post
    My understanding is that NEC monitors in Australia are inferior to Eizo. That came from a dealer who sells both.

    Quato, from what I have been told, are up there with Eizo but they seem to get little press, and I don't understand why.
    I've owned both and now prefer NEC. IMHO: No reason to spend the extra $$$$

    Probably the dealer who sells both makes more margin on the Eizo. Just sayin'

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    This is an interesting question and just at the right time for us. We have an NEC P221W which has a color cast left to right on the screen. My friends bought in the UK has the same thing. We sent it back and got another with the same problem and NEC told us that they would not replace the screens again, if we wanted even coloring we needed the spectraview but they wouldn't warranty those either against colour or brightness casts across the screen. These are the US versions that are sold here, not the EU. The EU ones are tested for uniformity before selling with the spectraview label. I now have the choice to either buy a European spectraview and hope that it is ok and doesn't develop an issue due to the shipping as returns would be a nightmare or man up and pay the price for an Eizo. We are checking now with Eizo supplier here whether they will accept returns for uniformity issues on their CG line. It is however about double the price of an European NEC Spectra and that is a very big difference, enough even to think about paying import fees and shipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    It is however about double the price of an European NEC Spectra and that is a very big difference, enough even to think about paying import fees and shipping.
    Thats weird as NEC Spectraview Reference and Eizo ColorEdge top of the line 27" monitors are about the same price in the UK?

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    I'm not buying in the UK worse luck, unless I end up doing so at any rate I'm working in Jerusalem at present.
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    I use a Dell u2711, a fantastic monitor for the cash. can now be had for 600-700 bucks.

    It came pretty closely calibrated from the factory. Still calibrated it with an eye one, I couldn't be happier, the prints match perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    NEC MultiSync PA301W - Easy to calibrate, excellent color, seamless with my Mac Pro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_R View Post
    Can this monitor be used with a MacBook pro (thunderbolt) at full resolution?
    I use both a 30" apple display and the NEC PA301w at times with mine. To get full resolution does require the mini display port to dual link DVi adaptor ($99)

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    So I got a call back from the dealer today. NEC will not warranty their screens for color/brightness shifts across the panel. Including the Spectraview screens. Eizo have just come out with a new trio of 'pro' panels, the only one where they will warranty the screen for this problem is the new CG line, 24" or larger and prices starting at scary amounts.

    How hard can it be to make a screen without a colour shift? I didn't realise the industry was so pathetic at present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    So I got a call back from the dealer today. NEC will not warranty their screens for color/brightness shifts across the panel. Including the Spectraview screens. Eizo have just come out with a new trio of 'pro' panels, the only one where they will warranty the screen for this problem is the new CG line, 24" or larger and prices starting at scary amounts.

    How hard can it be to make a screen without a colour shift? I didn't realise the industry was so pathetic at present.
    I agree about the lack of quality control with respect to color/brightness shifts over the screen. However, my experience with NEC on warranty issues in the US has been exceptional. I purchased the NEC 2690WUXI about 4 years ago. About 2 years later, there were noticeable color shifts from one end of the screen to the other. NEC replaced the monitor with a refurbished 2690WUXI. Two years later, the replacement 2690WUXI developed color/brightness shift issues. I emailed NEC a screen grab of the issue and they replaced the replacement 2690WUXI with a refurbished PA271W unit, again on warranty. The PA271W seems to be performing admirably so far. The Spectraview software is excellent. Very easy to calibrate and profile.

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    on the PA271W. I use a Colormunki and Spectraview software for calibration and it's a great monitor. I use it alongside my Cinema 30in and as Wayne mentioned you need the Apple $99 display adapter if you are using something like a recent dual/triple port Radeon card otherwise you won't get full resolution.

    I have no complaints. I got a refurb from NEC at an embarrassingly low price and I'm very very happy with it.
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    Eizo and NEC do seem to be the best. We don't sell NEC displays (though at one time we sold LaCie, which shared the same panel).

    Currently we only sell Eizo.

    I don't agree that the differences between displays are as simple as same panel, different software. I guess "different" software - in that respect - is kind of a generic term for anything the manufacturer does to the hardware.

    We have performed some tests that do reveal some weaknesses in other displays compered to the Eizo. Doug has mentioned the gradation test, but also if you create a solid black image and set it as your desktop, this is a good way to determine light leak in corners.

    Eizo has a proprietary technology (DUE) they use to address this (so - there is no corner light leak on an Eizo). I'm not sure if NEC does. Sometimes this isn't noticed since the effect appears in the corners and can be subtle.

    Many happy display users may like a display for different reasons. Do they like the colors? That they look appealing and accurate? Or does it provide a good match to their custom printer profiles. It isn't always both.


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    At this point, I would stay away from the NEC monitors based upon quality control considerations. In March 2012, NEC replaced on warranty a defective 2690WUXI that had developed color uniformity issues on the screen. The "new" (i.e., refurbished)monitor was a PA271W. In March, 2013, that monitor developed serious brightness uniformity issues and NEW replaced it with another PA271W. Now, 2.5 months later, that monitor has developed a really obtrusive smudge-like line of about 4 x 1 inches on the screen that shows through all of my application windows. Excellent service, horrible product. Time for an EIZO.

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