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    New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    We've published a short technical note in response to the new Mac Pro announcement:
    New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    Also notably Capture One strongly leverages the video card for Open CL for both on screen adjustment ("responsiveness") and processing to JPG/TIFF. I fully expect the new dual video card option to provide a great Capture One experience.

    As always, I'd recommend waiting for us to test rather than assume. We'll have one the moment their available.

    This new Mac Pro sure looks like a big winner to me. Though the lack of internal upgradability is a bit disconcerting.
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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    I can't imagine what they'll charge for the new Mac Pro. Have you seen the pix on the Apple website?

    I sure hope OWC has memory for it soon.
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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    How long before someone markets a case that holds all your external drives and express cards to match this,with a hard raid function...
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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    Diglloyd was predictably dour on it. I think it kills his consulting sideline. Move along, nothing to configure here....

    I think the internal architecture of the old macpro was limited anyway to the pci bus / sata speeds. You could see all these bodges coming on, ssd on pci-e cards etc all trying to get in on the truly fast throughput of 10gb and higher. So spinning drives have to go. Where they still work is in raids and the existing internal raid structure of the macpro was limited to sata times x drive speed which was always 4 or maybe 5 if you used the optical bay.

    Why not just get a 5 drive external box (with ssd?) on thunderbolt and get speed and security in one. Offline storage is great with those voyager Q toasters. Take all your old 1tb drives from inside the box and use them as backup now.

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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    Only thing bothering me about this is how many RAM slots??the image on the apple site shows only 4 slots.. Apple - Mac Pro
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertwright View Post

    Why not just get a 5 drive external box (with ssd?) on thunderbolt and get speed and security in one.
    Thunderbolt is a slow lane but this will work for photographers who do not need realtime video in 4K....most of us.

    The G Tech storage folks will have something that will interface well with this.

    Presently this:

    G-RAID with Thunderbolt | External RAID Up to 8TB | G-Technology

    Not this:

    G-SPEED eS PRO - External RAID Up to 32TB | G-Technology


    Wish I could pick one up tomorrow.

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    Already full vested in T bolt. The writing was on the wall

    Promise Pegasus 4R running Raid 0 and its as fast as my SSD drives. I may add a second one running Raid 5 for long term storage. Right now I just use 3tb dives and store them.

    Hard drives as we know them will eventually disappear. Its all coming down to flash drives it seems
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    I know the size thing would mean very little to some people but given that it is small for me at least when i do big shows i could actually take this with me. I rent monitors anyway on those gigs. Now i would have to chain it to a desk though. LOL
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    I am so getting this baby. I think it'll be consistent with previous Mac Pro in terms of pricing. The 4 RAM slots worries me, but then again they make 16GB ram per stick now. Upgrading to 64G Ram was the single most effect and cheapest upgrade to my machine

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    Not sure we as photographers need much more than 64gb machines anyway. Im running 16gb on a MBP and Im not running into many issues, sure if i opened every stinking program yea but if you work smart it is easy to run smoothly without too many issues. Would I like 32bg or 64gb of course but it is what it is.
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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    I am ordering one as soon as possible.
    Mostly I am looking for an improvement in PS real-time tracking of pen movements with the wacom tablet.
    24G is what I consider the minimum for usable performance although the 16G MBP is not bad as a travel machine,
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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    This has been a long time coming and interestingly enough Apple has adopted a Cray kind of structure with cooling in the center and wrap-around electronics to minimise interconnect delay.
    Go ahead, load it up with 64G (or at least 32) that will just about eliminate paging as well as improve the file system cache.
    The dual GPUs should really give a punch to both C1 and CS6 real-time performance.
    I will have one as soon as it is possible.
    The current 15 inch macbook Pro with retina and 16GB is just about tolerable as a travel machine. My current MP smokes it and I am looking forward to smoking it twice more.
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    Remember the cube? now the Tube...!
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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    This has been a long time coming and interestingly enough Apple has adopted a Cray kind of structure with cooling in the center and wrap-around electronics to minimise interconnect delay.
    -bob
    I thought of it looking like a micro-Cray as soon as I saw the images too. Will order one the second I can - sweet looking, and specs sound amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Thunderbolt is a slow lane but this will work for photographers who do not need realtime video in 4K....most of us.
    So you think this applies to thunderbolt 2 which is what the machine will have? Apple knows this is headed to a lot of video production companies, and the fact the box will support 3 4K displays seems to imply they are making sure Pixar and others are happy with it ...
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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    Hi,

    I have some concerns but we will now better after tomorrows demonstration.
    My concerns are:

    1. Are the graphics cards user upgradable? This is very important because we are finally getting Nvidia to create native drivers for Mac OS X for cards like the gtx 780 and the K5000.

    2. The selection of fireGL cards, this will probably rise the price big time, but more important, for adobe users, adobe applications are optimized for CUDA. OpenCL will work, but it's not as fast.

    3. Whats with only 4 RAM slots? is the machine is a 12 core single ship? If so, I am concerned about clock rate.

    4. Some people need high performance cards from AJA and the like, but they seem to work fine with Thunderbolt 1. It seems to me that Apple and Intel want to do, with Thunderbolt and the Mac Pro, what apple did with USB1 and the iMAC. If they want to succeed price is key.

    If I think of my normal use, my only concern will be price, and long time upgrades.
    I really don't need the PCIe slots. In my opinion they should have target a machine a tittle bigger and gave people an open PCIe slot even a half size one, but that is what I will do.

    Best regards,
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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    This is interesting and slightly concerning for me. With the work I do, I already have 32GB of RAM on my existing Mac Pro and have been considering trying to get more. This seems to suggest the new Mac Pro cannot run more than 32GB of RAM... Unless anyone knows better. (that is aside from whether spreading RAM across only 4 slots is optimally efficient)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    This has been a long time coming and interestingly enough Apple has adopted a Cray kind of structure with cooling in the center and wrap-around electronics to minimise interconnect delay.
    Go ahead, load it up with 64G (or at least 32) that will just about eliminate paging as well as improve the file system cache.
    The dual GPUs should really give a punch to both C1 and CS6 real-time performance.
    I will have one as soon as it is possible.
    The current 15 inch macbook Pro with retina and 16GB is just about tolerable as a travel machine. My current MP smokes it and I am looking forward to smoking it twice more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed HUrst View Post
    This is interesting and slightly concerning for me. With the work I do, I already have 32GB of RAM on my existing Mac Pro and have been considering trying to get more. This seems to suggest the new Mac Pro cannot run more than 32GB of RAM... Unless anyone knows better. (that is aside from whether spreading RAM across only 4 slots is optimally efficient)
    You can put 16 gig modules in the current Mac Pro and certainly the new one would support at least that size, but 32 gig modules are available. If it supports those that means your limit would be 128GB of ram.
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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    FWIW, my experience with raid 5 and an OWC QX 2 has been supremely disappointing. I have reverted to backing up to individual drives, multiple copies (all in the same enclosure) with another copy kept offsite using a a Q drive "toaster" . The theoretical fault tolerance of raid 5 has resulted in two lost backup sets due to the raid controller. YMMV.


    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Already full vested in T bolt. The writing was on the wall

    Promise Pegasus 4R running Raid 0 and its as fast as my SSD drives. I may add a second one running Raid 5 for long term storage. Right now I just use 3tb dives and store them.

    Hard drives as we know them will eventually disappear. Its all coming down to flash drives it seems

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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Fox View Post
    You can put 16 gig modules in the current Mac Pro and certainly the new one would support at least that size, but 32 gig modules are available. If it supports those that means your limit would be 128GB of ram.
    Well in my experience the limits to MacPro expansion tend to be my wallet rather than the architecture of the machine.

    p.s. I WANT ONE. My poor 2008 fully spec'd 8 proc MacPro feels like a boot rom compared to these new beasts.

    pps. I see that it's built in the USA too! However, that probably means that it'll be $10k by the time we see one and Apple have paid their taxes
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    What a beast of a machine, and in such a tiny package! Me want.

    Quote Originally Posted by jduncan View Post
    Hi,
    My concerns are:

    1. Are the graphics cards user upgradable? This is very important because we are finally getting Nvidia to create native drivers for Mac OS X for cards like the gtx 780 and the K5000.
    Looks like everything that isn't the flash storage and ram is soldered onto the core.

    2. The selection of fireGL cards, this will probably rise the price big time, but more important, for adobe users, adobe applications are optimized for CUDA. OpenCL will work, but it's not as fast.
    Mostly just Adobe though, Black Magic and other video-centric apps are quickly switching to OCL and there's a quote from a Davinci Resolve dev going around the net, saying he's never seen Resolve run so fast on an early Mac Pro that he's received.

    Considering that they are claiming that three 4K displays can be run at once, while playing back 4K footage AND rendering in the background, "not as fast" is more like "not so fast" until we start seeing some hard numbers when these things start hitting the test benches.
    This is well more power than most people will ever know what to do with for a long time.

    3. Whats with only 4 RAM slots? is the machine is a 12 core single ship? If so, I am concerned about clock rate.
    As someone wrote above: "The 4 RAM slots worries me, but then again they make 16GB ram per stick now." I don't think Apple would have all this time and all those engineers on their hands just to release a flawed product. Who the needs more than 64GB ram unless you do some insane pano stitching or run several video apps?

    4. Some people need high performance cards from AJA and the like, but they seem to work fine with Thunderbolt 1. It seems to me that Apple and Intel want to do, with Thunderbolt and the Mac Pro, what apple did with USB1 and the iMAC. If they want to succeed price is key.

    If I think of my normal use, my only concern will be price, and long time upgrades.
    I really don't need the PCIe slots. In my opinion they should have target a machine a tittle bigger and gave people an open PCIe slot even a half size one, but that is what I will do.

    Best regards,
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    TB2 is claimed to be somewhat faster than PCI-E, so with proper hardware support, there is no reason to ever keep expansion cards in-chassis anymore.

    Even with a second enclosure that can house things like PCI cards and card readers and drives and what not, at 1/8th the size of the old MPs, it's still a heck of a lot smaller and lighter. You could fit it in a backpack with accessories.

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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    A discussion on cgsociety.org suggests convincingly that nothing is soldered in. The GPUs may suffer from a new form factor, but they, the RAM, the SSD, and the CPU will all be upgradeable. The insane horsepower of this machine (as tricked out - I assume that that's the high-end version) is, for the first time in my life, more than I can think of utilizing. But I don't do video or 3D rendering.

    I don't know if or when I'll get one, but I'm deeply happy that Apple is making it.

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    I think for many folks its on the wish list. Dante will strike with vengeance. LOL
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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    Look at this headline on the MBA and its flash. I am around 500 with the fastest SSD drive you can buy.

    MacBook Air's PCIe-Based Flash Storage Approaches 800 MB/s Read and Write
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    800 MB/s is pretty nuts. I get ~400+ MB/s with the stock apple SSD in my 15" Macbook Pro Retina (2.7ghz i7/16gb RAM) and ~550 MB/s with the Pegasus R4 (RAID 5).

    Definitely interested in the new Mac Pro although my current setup handles my D800/H4D-40 files without a hiccup. It slows down a little for panos but I don't do many. I'm really curious about the fan setup of the new Mac Pro. My old Mac Pro (quad G5 tower) sounds like a freight train and heats up the room, so a quieter/cooler machine with lots of power is certainly welcome. I'm waiting for a price to decide if it's worth it for me personally but I will say that this is the first Apple product I've been excited about in a long time.

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    I disagree. GAS has made me a lot happier

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolor-Pikker View Post
    Mostly just Adobe though, Black Magic and other video-centric apps are quickly switching to OCL and there's a quote from a Davinci Resolve dev going around the net, saying he's never seen Resolve run so fast on an early Mac Pro that he's received.
    OpenCL is also very useful to Capture One. In both processing and responsively. So still-only guys will also see a lot of benefit.
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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    Re. being able to fit RAM above 32GB, my concern was based on a text of Apple's specs associated with their press release stating that 32GB is the max. But maybe that depends on using official Apple parts rather than larger RAM. As long as the machine recognises them...

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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    By the way, the reason I am interested in ridiculously large amounts of RAM is that I do insane stitches and absurd numbers of file stacks (for star trails)... My pano record so far is 67 40MP files. Star trail stacks are often in the range of 1200 - 1400 16 bit files layered. It simply won't run without loads of RAM (I previously had 16GB, and the computer would come up with error messages due to lack of RAM). Even with the 32GB RAM set-up I currently have, those large stitches can literally take days. So lots of RAM (and a number of ports for them to allow optimal usage) are personal priorities.

    That said, I am delighted that this new Mac Pro has been developed. Suggests that Apple may still have an eye on their traditionally core offering.
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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    There are a few issue's (ram slot's,upgrading GPU's and methods of expandability)with this new Machine but overall it's pretty good and the best news is that apple is not throwing the towel in with the mac pro,so aside from this all new machine (which most of us are happy to see and many of us thought we would never see)we can also look forward to the next version,Apple are in this for the long haul...

    I'll be ordering mine asap... ;-)

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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    Hi,

    Did someone get any info from today's presentation around the Mac pro performance ?

    I have seen no news about it, not even blogs.

    Best regards,


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    Dear phase one: thunderbolt 2. Please and thank you.

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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    The new MacPro reminds me of this
    Only updated with new tech and a whole lot faster

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrojim View Post
    Dear phase one: thunderbolt 2. Please and thank you.
    No need for an interface faster than the ability to read the sensor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    No need for an interface faster than the ability to read the sensor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    The new MacPro reminds me of this
    Only updated with new tech and a whole lot faster
    Hi Bob,

    Maybe this one is even closer:



    That's the Cray 2 and it has to be one of the more beautiful computers of history. Not only because of ehat we see , but because of the amount of creativity and ingenuity that in embodies. Freon coolant, symmetric design for performance, massive memory (2GB) and clock rate (250mgz) and state of the art SMP (4 hugh performing cpu).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed HUrst View Post
    Star trail stacks are often in the range of 1200 - 1400 16 bit files layered.
    Wow Ed...you must be using "short" exposure times (like 30 sec or less) for each exposure? Well, you can't be going to 1 minute because that would amount to 20-28 hours [even without darkframes]...and outside the polar regions, nights are not that long!

    But you're using a Pentax 645D, if I'm not mistaken? So why not shoot 5 or 10 minute stretches of startrails?

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    It's the PCI-e flash drives that interest me - up to 1250MB/s! I've got an i7 quad-core iMac which is ok but the key to getting to decent performance was an OWC SSD - 550MB/s - for the main system drive. With the Pegasus R6 in RAID 5 (about the same speed), this system handles 4GB stitched panoramas from the P45+ quite well. Could always do with faster read / writes especially if an IQ180 or 260 comes my way!

    The video cards - supporting up to 3 x 4K displays - will be interesting too, as I can never see my panoramas at a decent size and resolution, despite using a 30" monitor besides the 27" iMac.

    Doug, any idea when Eizo or NEC will bring out 4K reference monitors? They only seem to be downsampling at the moment: EIZO ColorEdge CG276 to Offer Input Support for 4K x 2K | EIZO

    And here's something we'll be able to buy soon (though I'm not sure what the quality will be like): Asus' $4,000 4K monitor goes on sale this month, pushes Retina MacBook to its breaking point | The Verge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Osbourne View Post
    The video cards - supporting up to 3 x 4K displays - will be interesting too, as I can never see my panoramas at a decent size and resolution, despite using a 30" monitor besides the 27" iMac.

    Doug, any idea when Eizo or NEC will bring out 4K reference monitors? They only seem to be downsampling at the moment: EIZO ColorEdge CG276 to Offer Input Support for 4K x 2K | EIZO

    And here's something we'll be able to buy soon (though I'm not sure what the quality will be like): Asus' $4,000 4K monitor goes on sale this month, pushes Retina MacBook to its breaking point | The Verge
    Current Eizo monitors:
    - downsampling (real time) with CG276 [advantage: relatively inexpensive, monitor is also an excellent stills monitor and has Eizo-grade quality, 5 year warranty, color space and evenness disadvantage: not true 4k]
    - Eizo's air traffic control monitor [advantage: true 4k, available today, high redundancy. Disadvantage: color space is not as good as photo/video market monitors, expensive]

    The Eizo engineers are actively exploring a photo/video market true-4k monitor. But I wouldn't look for one this year. They are rarely the "first to market" instead favoring prioritizing quality/reliability over release-speed.*

    *that's not saying other solutions that come out first won't be excellent, just explaining Eizo's corporate mindset.
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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

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    No need for an interface faster than the ability to read the sensor
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    Its the entire interface that I like because it is now integrated in all of apples products.... so...so what if it is faster than the sensor can be read? Dont think that will stay that way forever...

    Although, I suppose I am still thinking small- I want a slick interface cable...

    I should be thinking of when the entire system will be wireless from the back...

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    Wow Ed...you must be using "short" exposure times (like 30 sec or less) for each exposure? Well, you can't be going to 1 minute because that would amount to 20-28 hours [even without darkframes]...and outside the polar regions, nights are not that long!

    But you're using a Pentax 645D, if I'm not mistaken? So why not shoot 5 or 10 minute stretches of startrails?

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    Hi Ray. Good question! But there is method in my madness. If I am shooting in places without light pollution, I do indeed use longer exposures (though not usually as long as 5 mins). However, I often shoot trails in Sydney where I am balancing the trails with quite bright scenes which can bleed into the star areas if very long exposures are used. I have found that 10-15 sec exposures still pick up the stars without letting this happen. I can blend darker exposures of the light areas in layers of course, but the key thing is to stop the bright areas from bleeding into the sky if heavily over-exposed. For that reason, I often end up using shorter exposures and stacking many files! Naturally this pick up fewer trails but it's a compromise.

    On another note, I don't use the 645D for star trails because of its compulsory dark frames which would yield discontinuous trails. So I use my D800E for these shots.

    To give you an idea of the sort of shot I mean:
    [IMG] StarTrailsFromFiles_DSC0017-852(PlusFile928ForDarkFrame)Step9CropSpotSMALL by eduardotunnel4, on Flickr[/IMG]
    [IMG] STARTRAILFROMFILES_MG_0176-211(PLUS212FORSCENEAND218FORDARKFRAME)STEP12V2(STR AIGHTPERS)TidySMALL by eduardotunnel4, on Flickr[/IMG]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed HUrst View Post
    Hi Ray. Good question! But there is method in my madness. If I am shooting in places without light pollution, I do indeed use longer exposures (though not usually as long as 5 mins). However, I often shoot trails in Sydney where I am balancing the trails with quite bright scenes which can bleed into the star areas if very long exposures are used. I have found that 10-15 sec exposures still pick up the stars without letting this happen. I can blend darker exposures of the light areas in layers of course, but the key thing is to stop the bright areas from bleeding into the sky if heavily over-exposed. For that reason, I often end up using shorter exposures and stacking many files! Naturally this pick up fewer trails but it's a compromise.
    Ah, I see! Excellent shots, and thanks for the explanation of your technique.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed HUrst View Post
    On another note, I don't use the 645D for star trails because of its compulsory dark frames which would yield discontinuous trails. So I use my D800E for these shots.
    I didn't realise the that 645D's dark frames were compulsory! At what exposure time do they kick in?

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    Hi Ray,

    There is some complexity around that! It seems to be roughly 30 seconds, but the problem is that repeated shots seem to make it kick in with shorter exposures - almost as though there is some algorithm to deal with building sensor heat or measurement of it...

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    I guess this puts the final nail in the coffin of my 2008 Mac Pro. Still sitting in the box, never even fired it up. Two Quadcore processors, 16gb RAM...now a hulking dinosaur. Fifty years from now...a collector's item? Too late...I'll be dead and gone.

    It's true what they say (in a different context)...use it or lose it.

    Even so, I'm glad to see that Apple FINALLY came out with a new Mac Pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    I guess this puts the final nail in the coffin of my 2008 Mac Pro. Still sitting in the box, never even fired it up. Two Quadcore processors, 16gb RAM...now a hulking dinosaur. Fifty years from now...a collector's item? Too late...I'll be dead and gone.

    It's true what they say (in a different context)...use it or lose it.

    Even so, I'm glad to see that Apple FINALLY came out with a new Mac Pro.

    Gary
    Why don't you sell it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Why don't you sell it?
    I hate the thought of parting with it, knowing that it's only worth a small fraction what I paid for it. I keep hoping that one day, I'll find or make room in my office for a second workstation and get it set up. Mostly, I'm a WinPC guy and so my main computer is a HP i7 machine, although I've always had a Mac of one sort or another since the late-80s.

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    Why don't you sell it?
    Maybe he doesn't want to... after spending so much time together..
    It becomes a kind of friend...
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    Re: New Mac Pro: What it means for Phase, Leaf

    Tried to convince my wife to let me set it up in our family room, replacing the WinPC she uses...but she's never been a Mac fan.

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