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    G'day everyone,

    I'm a university student that's got a 3-4 day shoot lined up for July. I'd really love to try a Phase One back on my Fuji GX680III, but the rental prices I've found are astronomical! I'd be looking for one of the older P series backs, but even these are around the $3-400 mark per day!

    Is there a way to try out a MFDB on the (relative) cheap?

    I'm in Sydney, Australia (if that helps), which may explain the exorbitant price...

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    Re: Renting Phase One on a (very tight) budget

    When in July?
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    Actually sounds cheap for a day rate!

    Short of a dealer lending you one to try because you want to buy a back (which you're not) and someone lending you theirs for a week which is highly unlikely and a big ask (they cost the owner a lot to buy), I think you have no choice.

    Pass the hire charge onto the customer if they stipulate the large file size of MFD or shoot/hire another format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    When in July?
    Either the 11th-14th or the 12th-15th (depending on the final schedule).

    EDIT: Thanks for replying

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    Actually sounds cheap for a day rate!

    Short of a dealer lending you one to try because you want to buy a back (which you're not) and someone lending you theirs for a week which is highly unlikely and a big ask (they cost the owner a lot to buy), I think you have no choice.

    Pass the hire charge onto the customer if they stipulate the large file size of MFD or shoot/hire another format.
    This is pretty much what I had determined I've always planned on getting a DB for the 680III at some point, and figured this shoot (food, product and some portraiture) would be a pretty good testing ground. As I'm looking for a P series, it's unlikely that I'd find a distributor with one to 'try out' given their age.

    So, it's either buy without testing, or rent an iQ which I won't be able to buy! haha

    EDIT: Thanks for your input

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    Both P40 and P65 are still current products and both are available new and refurb through dealers as far as I'm aware.

    However, as a student I wouldn't recomment MFD as its a money pit which you will never recoupe. I would have thought a Nikon D800 would serve you better as even many full time pro's are jumping to these and selling off all their MF kit.

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    Yeah that's a fair call. I don't look to make money out of my photography, but I do get opportunities like these from time to time. I've almost finished building a large commercial-ish darkroom with two friends, which is part of my plan to move more towards film/medium format and away from DSLR. I've got decent Nikon gear already, but I just don't enjoy shooting with it, so I will be selling all of that, which is why I don't mind spending on the MFDB.

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    Gareth is right, you can still buy P series new or refurbished from dealers. But, if your budget is real tight and you still want to enjoy MF digital, you could go with Leaf Aptus 5. It's still an amazing back and the cheapest around.

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    I'd love an Aptus 5, I'm afraid it's out of my price range for the moment. I'd be looking to spend around the $3000 mark, which is why I'm looking at the P20 generation of backs. I've explicitly listed Phase One, as I have a Phase One One-Shot adapter for the GX680III, but I'd just as happily get an Aptus 22.

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    Yes, I meant Aptus 22, too. It's older, but it's the same sensor. And for some reason used Leaf backs are cheaper than P1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pics2 View Post
    Yes, I meant Aptus 22, too. It's older, but it's the same sensor. And for some reason used Leaf backs are cheaper than P1.
    Yeah I've found that as well which is interesting...

    I quite like the physical design of the Aptus over the P1, but that's just being picky

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    Unfortunately the dates don't work for me - I'm in Sydney for work at the moment but away those dates. I have a P25+ & IQ160 with me but only with my Alpas. For the Fuji you'd need an adapter anyway.
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    Ahh you're a legend anyway Graham, thanks for thinking of me
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    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    However, as a student I wouldn't recomment MFD as its a money pit which you will never recoupe. I would have thought a Nikon D800 would serve you better as even many full time pro's are jumping to these and selling off all their MF kit.
    Of course every day we have pro's jumping into MF kit.

    Net net the last few years have been very good to MF.
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    G'day everyone,

    I'm a university student that's got a 3-4 day shoot lined up for July. I'd really love to try a Phase One back on my Fuji GX680III, but the rental prices I've found are astronomical! I'd be looking for one of the older P series backs, but even these are around the $3-400 mark per day!

    Is there a way to try out a MFDB on the (relative) cheap?

    I'm in Sydney, Australia (if that helps), which may explain the exorbitant price...
    Basically no. $300-$400/day is pretty low already. Prices in NYC are significantly higher.

    At this end of the market (the very tight budget end) it makes almost no sense to rent, as even a few days of rental is a significant % of a purchase.

    The only "outside the box" solution I can think of is to find someone who is trying to sell a lower-end back and is having trouble finding a buyer and offer to rent it from them. That kind of situation would engender itself to very favorable pricing as 1) they clearly don't need it themselves 2) it's sitting there not making any money for them while they are looking to sell.

    Even so I can't imagine renting even a P25 non plus for less than $200/day, and only to someone with proper insurance or ability to provide a full-value deposit.

    As to working with a dealer I'd definitely still call around - can't hurt. As an example our pre-owned digital back inventory usually starts around P30+/P45+ units. But occasionally we have a P25+ or P20+ and on rare occasion even an H25 or H20. If we have one on the shelf and someone wants to rent it we can usually give them a pretty good deal - at least relative to the price of newer backs in the NYC market.

    Though as Graham mentioned the Fuji 680 adapter is going to be even more elusive to find in rental inventory than the digital back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    Of course every day we have pro's jumping into MF kit.

    Net net the last few years have been very good to MF.
    Jeeze Doug, stop thinking of the botton line for once. This guy is a student not charging for the shoot and IMO not the best advocate of MFD at this stage in his career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jars121 View Post
    I've got decent Nikon gear already, but I just don't enjoy shooting with it, so I will be selling all of that, which is why I don't mind spending on the MFDB.
    Why don't you enjoy shooting the Nikon as in my experience (Canon), 35mm FF SLR are amongst the most accomplished and functionally excellent cameras you can buy. If you select your lenses carefully the quality can be staggering, especially as it will easily adapt to all the subjects you mention above.

    What I have found with all my 35mm, MF SLR and tech camera gear is its often not so much about the camera (sensor) you use but the lens, tripod, head and lighting equipment that help make the experience so much more enjoyable and rewarding.

    Selling your Nikon gear is a big mistake IMO and I would add a MFD system as funds allow as your career progresses. In the subject areas of the shoot you mention, investment in other areas will present greater rewards than buying a p20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Jeeze Doug, stop thinking of the botton line for once. This guy is a student not charging for the shoot and IMO not the best advocate of MFD at this stage in his career.
    I'd agree with you whole heartedly that for most college students just starting their career would be better served spending the money on marketing, workshops, travel (especially to meet with photographers, art directors, art buyers etc), and expenses for shoots to build their portfolio. For many students the ability of a camera to do many things pretty well (rather than a select number of things excellently) is usually a strong consideration as well, since it's not always clear what area of photography they'll end up doing.

    I just don't think this student falls into "most students" based on his post.
    - He has a Fuji 680 he enjoys using, so clearly he doesn't need to be warned about the slower pace and lower automation of medium format, nor about the fact that medium format won't do everything (video, high ISO, low light, fast action tracking etc)
    - He has a Nikon and doesn't enjoy using it
    - He's looking for a back in the $3k range and it sounds like he'll be buying it outright and not going into debt for it
    - He's looking for a way to rent/try one, not just buy one sight unseen, so if it isn't right for him (e.g. the crop factor off the 680 format is too much) he'll find out pretty quickly

    The guy is in Australia (which we don't normally sell into) and looking to buy a back in a market segment we don't normally participate in (early gen P backs). And I'm not even on commission or in sales (though obviously as an employee of a company that sells gear/education/service I have an inherent interest in sales). You really think I have green clouds in my eyes? You must really have a low opinion of me.
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    Never pass up an opportunity to drop in some links for SEO though, eh?

    The fact that behaviour like this is allowed to carry on here is why I left this place and will no longer contribute positively to it.

    It is disgraceful the way this site is being gamed by Digital Transitions, and judging from the number of supportive PM's I received, I'm not the only one who thinks that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
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    The fact that behaviour like this is allowed to carry on here is why I left this place and will no longer contribute positively to it.
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    Seriously Gerald, please get some thicker skin---and continue to share your Alpa and FPS experiences. I'll probably never be able to own an Alpa, but do enjoy reading about the Alpa and other systems.

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    Ahh you're a legend anyway Graham, thanks for thinking of me
    You think he's there to help you, and before you know it, you've liquidated your savings and are contemplating buying a roller case (as big as Graham's) to carry all your newly acquired medium format digital booty...


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    why I left this place and will no longer contribute positively to it.
    I hope that's not the case. Your contributions are enormously valuable, especially on Alpa.
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    A "roller case?" Isn't that spelled "Rover?"
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    G'day everyone,

    I'm a university student that's got a 3-4 day shoot lined up for July. I'd really love to try a Phase One back on my Fuji GX680III, but the rental prices I've found are astronomical! I'd be looking for one of the older P series backs, but even these are around the $3-400 mark per day!

    Is there a way to try out a MFDB on the (relative) cheap?

    I'm in Sydney, Australia (if that helps), which may explain the exorbitant price...
    If I were you I would contact and go to one or several rental studios in Sydney. A lot of times places let you go there and if they have the gear they let you handle it and test it on premises if they are not too busy. Usually most people that work in those places are very cool if not then go to the next one.

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    Thanks for all the input guys, it has made for some very interesting reading. I understand where you're coming from gazwas, but I've been shooting with my G617, GX680 and GW690III for the last couple of years now almost exclusively, and have only resorted to the DSLR kit for paid work where I wasn't able to control the pace of the environment. I'm not at all interested in the type work I do where I have to used the Nikon (sports, events, parties etc), and would like to solely focus on the type work where I can be contemplative and methodical.

    I see DB's on eBay Aus that sit there for months on end not being sold, so I might contact the sellers and see if I can rent the unit, as dougpeterson suggested. Otherwise, I'll be speaking to the various rental departments here in Aus to see if they've got any ex-rental units in my price range.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jars121 View Post
    I see DB's on eBay Aus that sit there for months on end not being sold, so I might contact the sellers and see if I can rent the unit, as dougpeterson suggested. Otherwise, I'll be speaking to the various rental departments here in Aus to see if they've got any ex-rental units in my price range.
    If MFD is the path you have set your heart on then all my advise would be is beg, borrow steal but NEVER part with your hard earned cash or worse get into more debt for one at this stage in your career. You have come to the worst place to ask about equipment as there is a buy, buy culture on here and dealers contribute a great deal. This is great if you are stupid and reckless with your money (most are here) but asking purchasing advice from a dealer is never a good course of action.

    I was a photography student at university and after you have finished your course hopefully you will start working in some professional studios as a freelancer as I did. Its a hard slog at first (I won't lie) and I worked FOC for a couple of weeks just to get a foot in the door of some big studios.

    However, once I started work properly with good photographers my kit become redundant as I would often be allowed to use the photographers much nicer equipment for fun and eventually paid work I shot on the weekends/evening. Its well within the interest of a good photographer to train you up and be the best you can be (including knowing the kit second nature) so you can shoot the small jobs while they concentrate on the bigger clients.

    Concentrate on being the best you can be and try and get some work experience (FOC) with some studios which will be more beneficial than spending on kit (although you already have some very nice stuff). Most importantly, worry less about the kit you're using now as eventually you'll be joining the reckless on here and buying up all the exotic kit you can dream off.

    Good luck!

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    Re: Renting Phase One on a (very tight) budget

    I won't disagree with Gareth about saddling yourself with debt early on in your life/career. However, where we part ways is regarding whether you should follow your heart or not. I'd say that if you want to go MF digital then why not. A cheaper Leaf would handle your needs (as described) and if you're like the rest of us here you'll appreciate the color, tonality and workflow despite others telling you that the world begins and ends with a D800 or whatever is coming along next.

    Like you I genuinely find little joy in using a 35mm DSLR now. I tolerate one for now until I can shoot everything with my MF gear. It's a tactile and process thing. That either matters to you or it doesn't. Apparently for Gareth it doesn't so therefore it mustn't for you either!

    I think you'll find that all these reckless stupid people here aren't anything like how Gareth describes in real life. I've met quite a lot of forum members here in person and without exception they've all been very pleasant people who just enjoy using their gear and shooting with the best that they can afford. It's as simple as that.

    Trust your heart ...

    Jars121: if you're anywhere near Sydney CBD and want to try an Alpa & P25+ or IQ at some point for a couple of hours before July 6th ping me.
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    Thanks guys

    Gazwas: I should have specified in the original post; I'm at university, but I'm not a photographer! I'm about to wrap up degrees in Energy Engineering and Finance, about as far removed from professional photography as one can be! As such, I'm pretty much going to be operating on my own in the future, so I won't be able to rely on the kit of pro's that I may come across. I understand fully how someone in my position looking for a MF back would seem like overkill, and it totally is. Having said that, a large proportion of the expense involved will be offset by selling the Nikon gear, as well as the upcoming shoot (albeit a tiny budget).

    Graham: it's nice to speak with others who share my discontent with DSLR kit. I'd like to think of myself as being fairly traditionally minded when it comes to photography despite being slightly younger. I operate a Heidelberg drum scanner from my family basement and have spent the last 6 months building a darkroom. It's not that much of a stretch to understand why I might not enjoy the lack of soul/character/history of a DSLR!

    Regardless, thanks for the input, maybe we could grab a beer next time you're in Sydney

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    I think that if you speak to Richard or Bruce over at L&P they might be able to help. Your bigger problem will be to find an adapter for your Fuji as these do not tend to be available in rental anywhere...
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    Thanks for that Yair I emailed Brent from L&P today so hopefully we can have a chat tomorrow. I've rented and bought from L&P in the past and have nothing but good things to say about them!

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    Never pass up an opportunity to drop in some links for SEO though, eh?

    The fact that behaviour like this is allowed to carry on here is why I left this place and will no longer contribute positively to it.

    It is disgraceful the way this site is being gamed by Digital Transitions, and judging from the number of supportive PM's I received, I'm not the only one who thinks that way.
    I'm sorry but I have to address this and it pisses me off. First off all the dealers are invited here its a public forum and with that comes a diverse set of people as well as our diverse set of members all over the world. Which by itself is a great testament to learning and sharing in a diverse environment . Most if not all dealers, reps and such bring far more data to be learned by all than many can find out on there own. Frankly I work for pay and so do they. We lost Alpa as being a part of forums and frankly to me that was about the stupidest move they could make. Now tell me how do we get that info to our hands to make informed decisions. I'm sorry but let me make this really brief its up to YOU to make decisions on gear on any data posted be it a sales pitch a user experience, spec sheets or what have you . It's also up to you to understand and separate. The data learned is of value to you or not.

    I'm going to have to agree with Ken, your on forums and that is any forum you need a thick skin to be on them. If that does not fit this diverse world with you than why be on them to start with.

    I know Doug personally and he is a very bright hard working person that yes maybe bias but he has a good heart and more important contributes more than any rep out there. He also and let me be very clear has never broken or offended any rules here either. You on the other hand just insulted him and his reputation. Which BTW is breaking the rules.

    You want to discuss this offline I would be more than happy or Bob and Jack would be happy to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    I think that if you speak to Richard or Bruce over at L&P they might be able to help. Your bigger problem will be to find an adapter for your Fuji as these do not tend to be available in rental anywhere...
    Thanks for jumping in to help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jars121 View Post
    Gazwas: I should have specified in the original post; I'm at university, but I'm not a photographer! I'm about to wrap up degrees in Energy Engineering and Finance
    That's what my best friend does in Texas. Fascinating area to work in. Best wishes and congratulations!

    Edit: I missed the plural on degree. I thought you were graduating in "Energy Engineering and Finance" which is what my friend does. Double degrees in "Energy Engineering" and "Finance" deserves double congratulations!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm sorry but I have to address this and it pisses me off. First off all the dealers are invited here its a public forum and with that comes a diverse set of people as well as our diverse set of members all over the world. Which by itself is a great testament to learning and sharing in a diverse environment . Most if not all dealers, reps and such bring far more data to be learned by all than many can find out on there own. Frankly I work for pay and so do they. We lost Alpa as being a part of forums and frankly to me that was about the stupidest move they could make. Now tell me how do we get that info to our hands to make informed decisions. I'm sorry but let me make this really brief its up to YOU to make decisions on gear on any data posted be it a sales pitch a user experience, spec sheets or what have you . It's also up to you to understand and separate. The data learned is of value to you or not.

    I'm going to have to agree with Ken, your on forums and that is any forum you need a thick skin to be on them. If that does not fit this diverse world with you than why be on them to start with.

    I know Doug personally and he is a very bright hard working person that yes maybe bias but he has a good heart and more important contributes more than any rep out there. He also and let me be very clear has never broken or offended any rules here either. You on the other hand just insulted him and his reputation. Which BTW is breaking the rules.

    You want to discuss this offline I would be more than happy or Bob and Jack would be happy to.
    +1

    The dealers who are active on this forum are extremely helpful, regardless if they have the possibility to sell some gear or not. I have been getting some very valuable advise from one of them recently. Interestingly, I am in a similar situation to the OP, in the process of getting a digital back for my GX680, although I'm choosing a somewhat different solution (a Sinar back, which requires tethered shooting). The reason why I do this in spite of having a healthy selection of DSLR cameras is that the functionality of the Fuji is difficult or impossible to duplicate with most other cameras (lens movements plus rotating, and in some cases stitching, back).

    I see the point of what the OP is doing, although I doubt that renting a back will give the best value for money unless you can get a very nice price. A digital back for the Fuji is a solution that begs for experimenting nad that takes more than a couple of days.

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    "[I]f you are stupid and reckless with your money (most are here)...."

    Thanks Gareth. It's true that I'm sometimes stupid and reckless with my money, but I wonder how you could tell?

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    That's what my best friend does in Texas. Fascinating area to work in. Best wishes and congratulations!

    Edit: I missed the plural on degree. I thought you were graduating in "Energy Engineering and Finance" which is what my friend does. Double degrees in "Energy Engineering" and "Finance" deserves double congratulations!
    Haha thanks Doug, I appreciate that!

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    ....
    I think you'll find that all these reckless stupid people here ....
    Whoa, whoa, whoa, here Gareth. Them's fighting words. I've been reckless. I've been stupid. But never, ever am I reckless and stupid at the same time.

    It's true that you need to invest in yourself, but Gareth is right imho to be mindful of debt. I'm more of the old fashioned mindset that it's better to be without than to be with debt.

    But there's absolutely no reason that you can't scrimp and save to invest in a photographic solution that meets your needs and satisfies your passion. And like Graham, overwhelmingly the forum members I've met have all been pleasant enough, willing to share solutions and a shared passion in photography, often with medium format solutions from both ends of the cost spectrum.

    Btw, have you tried the Arca Swiss Cube?

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    Cubes are for sissies.

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    The auto levitate and self leveling features of the Alpa are great, Steve. But I only have a sissy Cambo so I must rely on the Cube. Still trying to figure out the autofocus though...

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    But never, ever am I reckless and stupid at the same time.
    +1. It takes too much concentration.
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    I'm at university, but I'm not a photographer! I'm about to wrap up degrees in Energy Engineering and Finance, about as far removed from professional photography as one can be!
    And this is the paradox. I went to RIT and if you ever had all the equipment you could ever need it was there. As soon as I left, the shock hit me. It took a lot of time to get the equipment I enjoyed using. (Not there yet, but I keep my eye on the forum and if ever Graham comes to a local airport, I might just turn up to help him with his bags. )

    So comes the question, how do you build a way to be the photographer you want to be? This is a tough one. Folks that don't do commercial work usually get another job to feed the habit. You may find that engineering and finance degree one of the best ways into your career. No one held Salgado's economic degree against him and Adams was a piano player. There is no right answer here, but there is a right one for your. Unfortunately, you are going to have to figure this out.

    BTW, be careful about your overhead, whatever that is--student loans, vacations, rent, gear. That can be a huge drag. To do work, you need time and money. Usually you only have one of those at any point in time. And that is really frustrating. But if you are in it for the long haul, you can work it all out. But it can be a disheartening journey, but one with great rewards. The best piece of gear I have is patience.

    Good luck.
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    I'm sorry but I have to address this and it pisses me off. First off all the dealers are invited here its a public forum and with that comes a diverse set of people as well as our diverse set of members all over the world. Which by itself is a great testament to learning and sharing in a diverse environment . Most if not all dealers, reps and such bring far more data to be learned by all than many can find out on there own. Frankly I work for pay and so do they. We lost Alpa as being a part of forums and frankly to me that was about the stupidest move they could make. Now tell me how do we get that info to our hands to make informed decisions. I'm sorry but let me make this really brief its up to YOU to make decisions on gear on any data posted be it a sales pitch a user experience, spec sheets or what have you . It's also up to you to understand and separate. The data learned is of value to you or not.

    I'm going to have to agree with Ken, your on forums and that is any forum you need a thick skin to be on them. If that does not fit this diverse world with you than why be on them to start with.

    I know Doug personally and he is a very bright hard working person that yes maybe bias but he has a good heart and more important contributes more than any rep out there. He also and let me be very clear has never broken or offended any rules here either. You on the other hand just insulted him and his reputation. Which BTW is breaking the rules.

    You want to discuss this offline I would be more than happy or Bob and Jack would be happy to.
    This has nothing to do with how thick my skin is.

    Trust me - I have had a lot of support both publicly and via PM from people who fully agree with my stance on this.

    But, it's your forum, so of course it is entirely your prerogative as to what kind of behaviour you allow, and as a result of what you allow, it is entirely my prerogative to choose not to contribute.

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    No it's everyone's forum and everyone has the prerogative to post what they want and there expertise as well. I'm not going to single out Doug's comments or any dealers comments and censor what they say. If that's what you want than its not going to happen here or on any forum. Dealers and others are invited guests and always will be, so if that offends you than maybe this is not the place for you. End of conversation in a public venue on this. You have any other comments than send them to me directly.
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    Just bumping this thread up. I've been speaking with the delightful guys over at L&P in Sydney about buying a secondhand back, and they've been nothing but helpful (and patient). Unfortunately we couldn't find anything in my price range for the time being, but they've been more than accommodating with offering rental solutions for my upcoming shoot. I'm picking up a back on Friday morning Can't wait!

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    Just be ready for some, ahem, "hiccups"... and have FUN.

    I used to shoot Medium Format (RZ67 and Leaf)... went back to 35mm... and now find myself considering a move back to MF at the 22-28mp level. I just miss the tactile feel of using a big, slow camera so much.

    It's a great market right now for low-end MF buyers.

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    Just be ready for some, ahem, "hiccups"... and have FUN.

    I used to shoot Medium Format (RZ67 and Leaf)... went back to 35mm... and now find myself considering a move back to MF at the 22-28mp level. I just miss the tactile feel of using a big, slow camera so much.

    It's a great market right now for low-end MF buyers.
    Precisely the reason why I'm choosing to pursue the MF route over updating my current Nikon kit. I love the methodical, contemplative approach to these bigger, simpler cameras, and if I can implement a digital solution for doing so in addition to my film workflow, why not?

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    EDIT: Ignore the rant, I think I found the problem. I need the Phase One multisync to sub-mini jack adapter (Item No. 50300144). Hopefully going to pick it up in the next little bit
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    3 weeks down the track, and this arrived for me today...



    My very own P30+! I have GX680 adapters in M645 and Hasselblad V mount, but no H mount! Looks like I need to get hunting!

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    3 weeks down the track, and this arrived for me today...



    My very own P30+! I have GX680 adapters in M645 and Hasselblad V mount, but no H mount! Looks like I need to get hunting!
    Careful. The first generation generation of Kapture Group GX680 H mount adapters required a different ground glass than the stock ground glass.

    Keith at the Kapture Group has been working on a new GX680 H mount which would not require a different ground glass. I don't know if that is a "coming soon" an "already out" or a "may do sometime in the future" project. Have your dealer check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby Lewis View Post
    Just be ready for some, ahem, "hiccups"... and have FUN.

    I used to shoot Medium Format (RZ67 and Leaf)... went back to 35mm... and now find myself considering a move back to MF at the 22-28mp level. I just miss the tactile feel of using a big, slow camera so much.

    It's a great market right now for low-end MF buyers.
    Hi Shelby,
    glad to see you are contemplating MF again - we miss your contributions!
    Cheers, S.

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    Well, I'm going to buy a MF digital back, even if Gareth does think it's a reckless and stupid money pit...

    From the figures you've posted, I think you made the right call going with a low-end P-series purchase rather than renting ($1500 for a four day rental is a big chunk of the cost of buying in).

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