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Fun with MF images - ARCHIVED - FOR VIEWING ONLY

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thomas

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Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

misplaced morality on others
slow! I am not talking about morality! I am living in Cologne, Germany, which is probably the capital of homosexuality. And in fact some very good friends of mine are homosexual (me not, if this might be interessting here).
I am talking about photography and aesthetics, not morality...
Take a look at Joel Peter Witkin (yes, you should)... I love his work.
 
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ddk

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Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

slow! I am not talking about morality! I am living in Cologne, Germany, which is probably the capital of homosexuality. And in fact some very good friends of mine are homosexual (me not, if this might be interessting here).
I am talking about photography and aesthetics, not morality...
Take a look at Joel Peter Witkin (yes, you should)... I love his work.
Dear Thomas,

there might be a bit of a language barrier here, none of this was directed at you and my initial response to your first post was supposed to be sarcastic not serious, but it seems like it was lost in translation.
 

thomas

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Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

Dear Thomas,

there might be a bit of a language barrier here, none of this was directed at you and my initial response to your first post was supposed to be sarcastic not serious, but it seems like it was lost in translation.
okay, got it! thanks!
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

Just some out takes from last week . All shot under tungsten stage lighting all at ISO 800 with a P30+ back. For me this was why I went from the P25+ to the P30+ was to gain that extra stop even though not at ISO 1600 the ISO 800 are just deadly quiet on noise. Shot with various lenses but the tight stuff is the Mamiya 300mm wide open and deadly sharp to boot. I used continuous AF on these and hardly missed. The AFDIII may not be a Canon on speed with AF but it's ability to track focus is uncanny. I rarely miss
 

Don Libby

Well-known member
Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

I agree that images "can" tell a story - but not always. I really agree that all images are provocative; they provoke feelings, emotions, arousal to name just a few. They also provoke discussions that up till recently were friendly, encouraging and dealt with non attacking criticism. This is what has made this forum what it is today. I've come to like this forum for the non-threatening posture it is unlike other forums where attacking a person vs their art form is a way of life.

I shoot landscape. I don't shoot people, models, weddings etc so I don't have a real dog in this fight over what looks good. I figure if I see a non-landscape piece I can either comment on because I personally like it or choose to ignore if I don't.

It's obvious that recent works have caused extremely strong responses that in turn have turned into a not so subtle attack on the photographer and his work. It's also too bad that some people feel the need to publically attack a way of life.

I'm uncertain however I believe that since this forum is based in the United States the owners must abide by all the laws that include freedom of speech, religion, race, and more importantly sexual persuasion.

I don't know how some people thought the image had lesbian overtones as all I saw was two young ladies sitting on a couch (another reason I don't shoot people).

What this isn't is "crap" "junk" or "garbage". It's art. The crap, junk, garbage are feelings of the observer.

Not everyone likes my landscape work and that's okay by me.

I'd like to suggest we move on now.

Don
 

Bob

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Dear Members,
I have taken a whole lot of pictures.
Took shots during the Newark riots in 1967, burning buildings, people shot, looting, a person covered with gas and torched.
Took a lot of pictures of family and violin recitals, ballet recitals, and yes, many many hockey games.
In High School, I took pictures of a suicidal classmate who thankfully did not succeed, but I did get it on film.
In college, I took pictures of demonstrations, got a picture of the state police rifle butting a co-ed because he didn't like what she said.
About six years ago I took pictures of my wife, dying of cancer, slowly losing her mental faculties.
I have taken pictures of drug addicts shooting up, of the homeless finding dinner in a trashbin, and of many beautiful places both in the US and abroad, from Moab, to Yucatan, to Alaska, Europe, China, Australia, and Japan.
I have/had thousands of images ranging from the gritty to the ethereal, but all of those pictures I found. Maybe none of them are any good, but that is neither here or there. Occasionally I sold one, never made much, but I didn't care. It was a case of being there and hitting the button.
The past year I have decided to start making pictures instead of taking them.
I started working with lights, models, actors, dancers, families, dogs, horses, buildings, factories, whatever. Now the shots are thought about instead of just happening in front of me. Instead of standing there waiting for the light, I have the light and now wait for the subject.

I am sorry if I offended, there was no intention to do that. They were not quite fully finished images, I was excited about how much worked about them and not necessary how "perfect" they were. Based on the reaction, I see that I have succeeded in fulfilling the commission which drove their creation. Models were engaged and selected to tell a story. When I get the rare commission, I try to satisfy the customer and deliver what is wanted. Although I am not finished with the processing, the buyer is very happy with the contacts and the processing concepts presented.

Would there have been as much negative reaction to a shot of a burning black man covered in gasoline or a shot of a young girl's bleeding wrist or shot of a woman without hair and expression and pulse and breath, waiting for the undertakers to bag her and take her away from me?

How about the thousands of shots of every hockey game ever played by my son?
Nope, nobody cares.

I sat in a classroom last night on glamor retouching. Very interesting class. One forensic photographer (WTF was he doing there?) a couple of wedding shooters, a couple of "fine art" types, a couple of sports shooters, and a guy that specialized in fetish and bondage. (I would shoot this too, but frankly do not know the ropes). I guess that it helped to demonstrate that there is no easy niche one can classsify photography.

So if I offended, there was no intention. Apparently naked girls don't bother many, but flirty clothed ones bother some. Aplogies.

And for those who have pointed out image shortcomings, Thanks.

If the consensus is that I never post images of human interaction, then I think that would be very disappointing, but I will then not.

-bob
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
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I'm uncertain however I believe that since this forum is based in the United States the owners must abide by all the laws that include freedom of speech, religion, race, and more importantly sexual persuasion.

Thanks Don not sure about following the letter of the law but it certainly follows our believes as human beings and that is more important and always wins the day with Jack and I . We will not allow those freedoms to go to the way side ever.
 

Don Libby

Well-known member
Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

Bob- Please keep it up! Who know you might inspire me to actually take an image with a person in it.

And speaking of images -
 

thomas

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I'm uncertain however I believe that since this forum is based in the United States the owners must abide by all the laws that include freedom of speech, religion, race, and more importantly sexual persuasion.
now that's really funny.
Don, I invite you to come over for one week here (so we could share our experiences about the WRS and could make a trip to Kampen, Netherlands :) ... ). We would walk through the city and would have our last bratwurst at 5 a.m. somewhere in the center of the city at a kiosk and having a conversation with a top manger beside a homeless person beside a transvestite beside a plumber. Good, openminded conversation! Not a tale - you could have it every day here! If... if you are openminded.
 

Tex

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Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

I'm uncertain however I believe that since this forum is based in the United States the owners must abide by all the laws that include freedom of speech, religion, race, and more importantly sexual persuasion.

Thanks Don not sure about following the letter of the law but it certainly follows our believes as human beings and that is more important and always wins the day with Jack and I . We will not allow those freedoms to go to the way side ever.
Guy I apologize. I have absolutely no idea why I would think these models are depicting lesbian interaction.

And wow, the bondage pictures are truly magnificient. Perhaps everybody can make REALLY BIG prints of these and frame them for exhibit in their homes.

I guess I simply don't understand "art".

I DO UNDERSTAND that there are some incredibly gifted folks on this board and I DO appreciate seeing their work (yours too).

MAY I SUGGEST, that you have a seperate thread for "art" pictures.

Thanks in advance for considering my request.
 
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Bob

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Bob- Please keep it up! Who know you might inspire me to actually take an image with a person in it.

And speaking of images -
Don, you might just inspire me to get out to the Grand Canyon too.
-bob
 

Bob

Administrator
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Re: Fun with MF images - Part 3

Guy I apologize. I have absolutely no idea why I would think these models are depicting lesbian interaction.

And wow, the bondage pictures are truly magnificient. Perhaps everybody can make REALLY BIG prints of these and frame them for exhibit in their homes.

I guess I simply don't understand "art".

I DO UNDERSTAND that there are some incredibly gifted folks on this board and I DO appreciate seeing their work (yours too).

MAY I SUGGEST, that you have a seperate thread for "art" pictures.

Thanks in advance for considering my request.
It ia always difficult to decide where to post a particular image in a forum mostly organized around equipment rather than genre.
We could have a landscape forum, a family and pets forum, a street forum, maybe architecture and weddings too.
I will perhaps make more use of the Images to share forum for these sorts of things in the future, but I wonder which ones I should send there?
Maybe all of them landscapes travel and fish markets too.
Or you could help me out and define "art".
thanks
-bob
 
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ddk

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Guy I apologize. I have absolutely no idea why I would think these models are depicting lesbian interaction.

And wow, the bondage pictures are truly magnificient. Perhaps everybody can make REALLY BIG prints of these and frame them for exhibit in their homes.
:ROTFL: Tex, you should come over to my place and I'll hook you up :toocool:
 

eleanorbrown

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I'll try to make this quick...I think the point has been missed here. I'm far far from being a right wing nut, and not stupid nor naive (but I am opinionated). I don't care if the women are lesbians...so what. What I care about (and I mean this in general terms) is how women are portrayed...."the objectification and stereotyping of women in this country and elsewhere. High fashion and porn...you name it, makes it very hard for young women to grown up and be comfortable with imperfections. A while back there was a fashion image of a women who looked like she hadn't had a meal in several months and all the guys loved the image. I found the image very disturbing for the reasons above (among others) but kept quiet. I love wonderful artistically done nudes...they can really be provocative and lovely and sensuous. But when you are female and you see women portrayed as "objects" of fantasy and otherwise over and over and over it gets old. Eleanor
 

Jack

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Folks, let's take it down a notch. We are all adults here, and obviously a few of the images posted have ruffled feathers. As Guy indicated, one of the first rules of this forum is to treat each other respectfully. A few of you have crossed that line with your comments towards the posters of the images.

And yes, I can understand why some of the images posted may disturb or offend the sensibilities of a few of you. (Though frankly, you can see worse or depending on your point of view, more, in most any fashion magazine sold at the local grocery store here in the states.)

Re direct nudity. In the future, let's keep those images posted in separate threads appropriately labeled with a nudity warning, OR set as links with appropriate warning. David, I am going to edit your images to links for that reason.

So let's carry on dialog on the joys and foibles of photography that we all share in common -- please.
 
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ddk

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Re direct nudity. In the future, let's keep those images posted in separate threads appropriately labeled with a nudity warning, OR set as links with appropriate warning. David, I am going to edit your images to links for that reason.

I HOPE NOT!

Funny how a little childish bitching suddenly changes the rules for everyone. I thought that this was an open minded photography forum open to all types of photography and photographers, am I wrong?

Jack, if you do this and start censoring basic nudes for a few babies then you might as well throw in the towel now and bring in some family advertising and get annexed to dpereview!

Lets not forget what got the children moaning was not nudity but the image of two young models, sitting FULLY DRESSED! on a couch, and that's the crowd that you want to appease? Are you going to link them too? Maybe we should link all images of women, just in case. I'm sorry to say but you should get your priorities right!
 
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