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    Re: Tech Cam advice please !!

    My 2 cents,

    I picked up and played with all three.

    The Arca just felt weird. I love their ball heads, use the cube 90% of the time on tripod, but found the tech camera unsettling. Some gear sticks to your hand (Leica S). Some gear jumps away from you like a nervous kitten. The Arca did that with me.

    I expected to like the Alpa, given the reports of owners - I'm usually a sucker for insane engineering. I tried the SWA and STC. They both felt limited. I kept thinking "why can't it rise and shift? The Max is too big... " As Guy points out, the workarounds are easy, and I don't do interiors, so would have been happy using Alpa, but went with...

    The Cambo WRS AE, which was the least glamorous, was as functional as the Arca, but seemed very easy to use with well thought out controls. One thing that makes the Cambo feel less precise - the zero points of adjustments on tilt and swing have a slight dead space. This is intentional, so you know you're really at zero. It feels loose, though. The rise/fall/shift controls are wonderful, and that's what I use all the time.

    But really, the backs and lenses are the same for all three systems, so it just doesn't matter. Get what sticks to your hand!

    Hmmm... maybe I should have gone for the Leica...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    My 2 cents,
    ....The Cambo WRS AE, which was the least glamorous, ....

    --Matt
    Least glamorous? Wow, now you really make me feel like I've been skimping with my having only the plebian Cambo WRS...

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    Quote Originally Posted by satybhat View Post
    Some reply, that...
    .... but with landscape photog as a hobby, I would want something of a tool to cherish. never thought about this issue in this way.
    ....
    Saty, I think the importance emotional appeal is something a lot of photographers overlook. Regardless of capabilities, if it floats your boat, it gives your more enjoyment in the realm of the photographic experience.

    I think a pretty Alpa or the Cambo WRS Anniversary Edition both with AS Cube and RRS tripod would fill the bill fine here.

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    Sorry Ken. I meant to say "But the Cambo WRS AE, least glamorous because of its ridiculous hand grips..." Who makes wooden handgrips with sharp edges?

    --Matt

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    Re: Tech Cam advice please !!

    Hand grips on tech cameras are overrated anyway!! That said, I do like the rosewood grips on my Alpa. I'm still not sure what to make of those translucent Arca things though.

    Ken, Matt and Guy nailed it about the need to enjoy using your gear and having a connection with it. That shouldn't be overlooked, especially when you consider how much of an investment this is and hopefully how long you'll be using it for.
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    Don't knock handgrips. They might not be for everyone however they do serve a useful purpose. I found the original grips on my WRS were just a tad too small at times especially when shooting in the winter with gloves. I replaced the grips with the newer wooden and find I have a much better purchase on the camera. The way I figure it is I don't want to take any chances when handling a camera that costs more than my truck and I don't want the chance of slippage. I also found the wooden grips better to handhold when shooting. If I were doing this all from scratch again one of the very first things I would look at would be how steady I thought the system was in my hands, both with and without gloves.

    Once again just my 2 based on my own personal experience/preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    Sorry Ken. I meant to say "But the Cambo WRS AE, least glamorous because of its ridiculous hand grips..." Who makes wooden handgrips with sharp edges?

    --Matt
    Matt, not sure if my grips are any different that the ones offered on the AE however they're smooth with no sharp edges...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    Saty, I think the importance emotional appeal is something a lot of photographers overlook. Regardless of capabilities, if it floats your boat, it gives your more enjoyment in the realm of the photographic experience.

    I think a pretty Alpa or the Cambo WRS Anniversary Edition both with AS Cube and RRS tripod would fill the bill fine here.

    ken
    There was a car commercial awhile back where the spokeswoman ask "does the car return the favor when you turn it on?" I use that same question with my WRS and the answer is always oh hell yes. You should be asking that question no matter what you use to shoot with. I think the better you are emotionally the better chance you have of achieving what you're attempting to capture. Sort of like Zen and the art of photography.....
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    Actually grips are a huge safety factor outside of real use when shooting. Pulling stuff out of your bag , putting backs on, filters on and off and changing lenses like having a neck strap to hold onto grips are very useful this way. I work very fast and sometimes things just fly out of your hands. Hmmm just happened hot mirror filter flew out of my hand landed 4ft underwater. Took 5 of us a Gitzo a rubber band and a cut out gallon of milk container to get it and no one shot a video of that rescue. LOL

    It was a classic oh **** and it came from yours truly. **** happens and having grips is not a bad thing when your holding 40 grand in your hands.
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    Guy, shouldn't the first * in the second use of the word **** be capitalized?
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    ****. Did that work
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    Quote Originally Posted by satybhat View Post
    THanks Dave.
    Do you find the 18mm on either side shift a limitation for stitching ? I was kind of taken to the STC, but the Cambo WRS offers 45mm lateral shift as opposed to 45mm on Cambo. How do you overcome this ? (or do you even need to ? )

    Fellas, how inconvenient is the STC as compared to the MAX when travelling ?

    Some great info here.
    Thanks everyone.
    I don't have a lens that has a wider image circle than the 18mm can reach, so for me it is not an issue. BTW 18mm shift is about a 94mm IC. There are a few lenses that could potentially handle more, like the SK 60, 120 and the Rodi 90. I also have the IQ180, so shifting out there on the wides doesn't work anyway. A 45mm shift is a whopping 141mm IC!

    Guy's comment about shifting together (at the same time) with rise and fall is important. The STC does not do this. I can't remember the last time I was in a situation where I needed that, but that just goes back to your list and your priorities. Although the relatively new A/S Fulcrum is lighter, I don't think it does rise, fall and tilt (? somebody correct me if that is not right?). The STC is really a unique design. I think it is the smallest package that has rise/fall, shift and tilt (again, with some lenses). I think it does what it does extremely well, but that's all it does. There's a lot it will not do!

    Dave

    Edit: Note those IC's are for a 54x40mm sensor.
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    I maybe wrong here but I think the 60 SK is the widest lens that will get to 20mm shifts either way without getting into serious issues. Its image circle is 120mm. Now how often you use a lens to this degree is a great question to ask. I did because it could. I'm also speaking on the IQ 160 sensor but truthfully in landscape work panos are far easier and you can use any lens. Don't get me wrong the SK 60 is a awesome lens with its unique abilities. A lot of friends got them after I did and love them. Its a lens that you can build around. Not every system or cam for that matter can do it all without some limitations or cost to expand it. Cambo for tilt and swing you need to buy that mount, Alpa to get more functions in general you have to expand it through accessories or sometimes a different body. Some Alpa folks have both a Max and a STC. The Max for example would be better suited towards architecture than landscape but also would be fine for landscape just a bigger unit to deal with than the nice little STC. BTW I like the STC and would have no issues about buying into Alpa or Cambo. I had the Cambo AE model and loved it. But I could easily buy into a Alpa and Linhof looks interesting.
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    OK, so really looking into the Alpa STC now.
    Coming down to the technicalities (no pun intended) : someone suggested ( looking at what I shoot - and most of my favourite shots were with the 45pce on D800) - so I'm more of an intimate landscape kind of a chap. Hence the suggestion was Schneider 60XL and 120ASPH with the tilt mounts.
    Querys: would these excite you and would they mount with the same tilt mount on the ALPA ? How would the 120 fare as a macro / semi-macro ?
    I'll add another for the vistas at some point, so a suggestion in that area would be helpful as well.
    And before I forget, this has to be the best freaking forum on the internet.
    Heartfelt thanks to all chiming in. I suppose the only way I can thank you all is to pass on the help to someone else in similar doldrums in the future. Jeff / Mal hope to shoot with you sometime when I'm out and about.
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    With Alpa, the 120-sb (Short Barrel) needs a 34mm spacing, so if you want to use the same tilt mount for that and the 60XL-sb, you would purchase the 17mm t/s adapter and one 17mm "multi-use" adapter. Use both together on the 120mm for a total of 34mm. The 60XL-sb only needs a 17mm spacing, so you would use just the 17mm t/s adapter.

    If you want to build around the 60 and 120, then I would suggest a wide around 32 or 40, just depending on what focal length you want. They are all awesome, although even with the IQ260 you might prefer the Rodi's on the wide end because there is less color cast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satybhat View Post
    ... - and most of my favourite shots were with the 45pce on D800) - so I'm more of an intimate landscape kind of a chap. Hence the suggestion was Schneider 60XL and 120ASPH with the tilt mounts.
    Saty
    You will be on an IQ260 right? If you really like the 45mm focal length you could do the 70hr instead of the 60xl. 70mm= 45mmE, while 60mm = 38mmE.

    However, the 60xl really sounds marvelous. If I was doing this today I too would build around the 60xl because it would be a great single lens kit. I would take the 60xl and the 150xl as my two lens kit, but I like to shoot longer than most people and in 35mm format I love the 35mm focal length. Back to the good discussion here, especially Dan's Post #43:
    Help re tech camera lenses please

    A few notes:
    Dan's post #43 in the above link is a very expensive post!

    The quoted image circles are sometimes "overstated", and on the long end the camera might vignette before the image circle. With the 34mm adapter on the lens side my sk150 barrel vignettes at about 15-16mm horizontal (pano) shift, which correlates to about an 84mm IC (there is no vignetting when stitching vertically, or with the adapter on the sensor side). Not sure about the sk120 but I'm pretty sure it is better because of the shorter focal length.

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    so currently gravitating towards 2 lens setups. some macro ability would be helpful. say 1:4 or thereabouts..... would love to have a single tilt adapter if possible, but ok if not. Would 40 HR and the new 90 HR fit the plans ?

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    Nice combo 40 and 90 . Most would go the 70 than get a 120 and 150 at some point. Need to think also how many lenses you want as your final setup . You want 3 than you need to gap more but if its 4 than you can be a little closer together. One question to finalize as well the IQ 260 or IQ 280. That helps on the wide end that eventually you will get to that point.

    Also what focal length is pretty common today with your 35mm gear. If you like the 85 mm for instance than you will like a 120.

    David did bring up a good point also with Alpa on the long end about getting cut off on your movements. If you think you will do a lot of stitching than everyone here would say the 60mm is excellent for that but it needs to fit in your lineup well. Its a odd focal length for some. The 40 HR is a laser and it does stitch nice but again if one the IQ 280 maybe some restrictions on movements. Ill let 180 folks answer that better. This is tough you have 3 main categories to get through body, back and lenses. You pick one it determines the others pretty much in some cases but not all.

    Crap you need to remember where you are as well and getting gear and support in your country. I don't know Alpas channels over there
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    Quote Originally Posted by satybhat View Post
    so currently gravitating towards 2 lens setups. some macro ability would be helpful. say 1:4 or thereabouts..... would love to have a single tilt adapter if possible, but ok if not. Would 40 HR and the new 90 HR fit the plans ?
    Saty,
    Just to be clear, you can do any combination of short barrel lenses with only one tilt adapter, the 17mm t/s. However, you will also need a 17mm std adapter (no tilt function, just a straight spacer) for the longer lenses.

    Picking a lens plan seems tougher than it should be isn't it!

    A good approach is to think about what the widest lens is you eventually want, then gap up from there. Even if you don't buy that widest lens for several years. They tend to be the most expensive so it makes some sense to plan from the wide end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dchew View Post
    Saty,
    Just to be clear, you can do any combination of short barrel lenses with only one tilt adapter, the 17mm t/s. However, you will also need a 17mm std adapter (no tilt function, just a straight spacer) for the longer lenses.

    Picking a lens plan seems tougher than it should be isn't it!

    A good approach is to think about what the widest lens is you eventually want, then gap up from there. Even if you don't buy that widest lens for several years. They tend to be the most expensive so it makes some sense to plan from the wide end.

    Dave
    The reason for the two lens setup is three-fold:

    1. I wouldn;t want to go wider that 40 (never went wider than 24mm on 135 cameras )

    2. I believe that a limited gear range provokes compositional awareness in field.

    3. One less lens change to annoy the already exasperated wife ( I often shoot during our family trips by making morning forays towards landscape photography (on strictly limited times before the kids are up ) !!!

    Having said that I'll likely add another slightly longer lens to the arsenal ( not sure about the 120 asph (SK) or any other alternative from Rodenstock.

    In that situation, it almost makes sense to have 2 adapters: one 17mm and one 34 for the 40 and 90 ? That way I could have the adapters permanently fixed to the lenses saving time in the field. or am I ignorantly talking BS ?

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    Re: Tech Cam advice please !!

    For Alpa you would want the 17mm t/s adapter and the 17mm spacer (or a second t/s adapter). That will allow you to use the SB17 and SB34 lenses.

    You certainly could use dedicated spacers. I have a 34T/S and 34mm spacer which gives me options. For the longer lenses though you will most likely put the spacer on the rear of the body which negates the value of dedicated spacers.

    The 40/90 combo is actually what I would select for the core of my outfit if I didn't already have a 35/47. You might want to consider going longer than the 120 to say the 150 if you go with the 90mm. I considered the 120 after I got my 90HRW and I'm glad I went with the longer 150mm Schneider if only because of spacing. If they are too close, you won't change lenses.
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    A couple of things to think about.

    1. The R/S 40mm is in fact almost a 42mm (41.85mm to be precise).

    This means that on an IQ260, it's 35mm equivalent is a 27mm (26.88mm TBP)

    Now, if your favourite wide-angle in 35mm is a 24mm, the difference is going to be noticeable. Every 1mm at the wide-angle end of the spectrum is significant. As stellar a performer as the 40 is, I always think images take with it are a tad too long for a true wide-angle. On a smaller sensor, that effect is going to be even more magnified. Of course, you can stitch if needs be, but that's not always possible.

    2. Because of mechanical vignetting on an Alpa, you'll never benefit from the 150mm image-circle of the 120Asph.

    If you can, save yourself some $$ and find a used 120N - 'only' a 120mm image-circle, but less distortion, less light fall-off, and - outside of an MTF chart - no noticeable difference in sharpness at the print level. Lens design is always about compromise, and in getting the 150mm image-circle, S/K sacrificed distortion and light fall-off. I'd rather have those back than an image-circle I couldn't fully use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by f8orbust View Post
    2. Because of mechanical vignetting on an Alpa, you'll never benefit from the 150mm image-circle of the 120Asph.
    Sounds like a good reason to go for an RL3Di where you can use such lenses without mechanical vignette, and don't have to use any adapters to use tilt.
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    problem with the 40mm is you may eventually start to lust for the 32mm, and they are too close in fl to have both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by f8orbust View Post
    Because of mechanical vignetting on an Alpa, you'll never benefit from the 150mm image-circle of the 120Asph.
    Is this firsthand knowledge? I'd double check ... It seems to me that the XY wouldn't make sense at all if this was true but then I don't have a lens above 90mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    Sounds like a good reason to go for an RL3Di where you can use such lenses without mechanical vignette, and don't have to use any adapters to use tilt.
    We all know that doug is into Arca :-) Please do yourself a favor and try each candidate in your own setting. Not everyone likes the Arca way of focusing and not everyone is happy with the Arca tilt solution: mechanically this isn't an optimal solution. And if you intend to do a lot of (flat) stitching, the Alpa will be way faster as you can unlock the body movements.

    There is no body which will be the perfect solution, they all have shortcomings and that's why it can't be stressed enough that you have to use them yourself for more than a couple of shots.

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    Re: Tech Cam advice please !!

    Chris,

    ...not everyone is happy with the Arca tilt solution: mechanically this isn't an optimal solution.
    Please can you explain what you mean by this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AreBee View Post
    Please can you explain what you mean by this?
    The handling of tilt isn't as easy as one would like it to be: the mechanism is quite stiff and dialing in, say, half a degree is difficult.

    I remember that a few people remarked on this - but I don't remember if it was here or over at LL.

    Still, I think that the idea of moving tilt into the body is great - unless you want to have both tilt and swing in which case the Cambo solution is a possible answer.

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    Re: Tech Cam advice please !!

    I don't find the mechanism at all stiff on my Arca, and I have never needed to adjust tilt to one half of a degree
    The focusing on the Arca RM3DI is incredibly precise and the focusing data on the cards that are supplied is dead nuts accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cly View Post
    Is this firsthand knowledge? I'd double check ... It seems to me that the XY wouldn't make sense at all if this was true but then I don't have a lens above 90mm.
    Alpa Report #2, page 6 - 'Alpa image circle of 120asph = 110mm".

    The Alpa mount is basically a ~75mm x 75mm x 'focal length' box - fairly narrow - a quick diagram of a lens 120mm away from the focal plane, at the end of such a box (i.e. a box 75mm x 75mm x 120mm), will show you that light rays travelling to the edge of an image circle 150mm in diameter can never get there. This doesn't change if you move the lens or the sensor, the outer part of the image circle is clipped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cly View Post
    The handling of tilt isn't as easy as one would like it to be: the mechanism is quite stiff and dialing in, say, half a degree is difficult.

    I remember that a few people remarked on this - but I don't remember if it was here or over at LL.

    Still, I think that the idea of moving tilt into the body is great - unless you want to have both tilt and swing in which case the Cambo solution is a possible answer.

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    "I thought he wanted the Alpa last thing I saw."

    Guy, as we know, these threads don't stop just because the original poster got enough information. They just mushroom.

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    Hmm,
    interesting change of conversation.
    So yes, indeed, I'm having a look at Alpa. But pray enlighten, does the small size of STC ( 75x75mm ) really become an issue with vignetting coming up if tilted ?
    If so, the max remains the only valid option. unless I go cambo...
    here we go again !!!! just when I thought I had it sorted
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    Quote Originally Posted by satybhat View Post
    Hmm,
    interesting change of conversation.
    So yes, indeed, I'm having a look at Alpa. But pray enlighten, does the small size of STC ( 75x75mm ) really become an issue with vignetting coming up if tilted ?
    If so, the max remains the only valid option. unless I go cambo...
    here we go again !!!! just when I thought I had it sorted
    Curios, what have you been able to actually get your hands on and tired out? A lot will become clear once you try out a couple systems (sounds like a fortune cookie)
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    Quote Originally Posted by satybhat View Post
    Hmm,
    interesting change of conversation.
    So yes, indeed, I'm having a look at Alpa. But pray enlighten, does the small size of STC ( 75x75mm ) really become an issue with vignetting coming up if tilted ?
    If so, the max remains the only valid option. unless I go cambo...
    here we go again !!!! just when I thought I had it sorted
    In a word - no. All Alpa bodies are essentially the same. What works on the Max works on the STC, SWA, SW, TC etc. I don't quite know where the tilt vignette/clip is coming from but I have never had it on my Alpa with T/S and 150mm SK. Even with rise/fall or shift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    In a word - no. All Alpa bodies are essentially the same. What works on the Max works on the STC, SWA, SW, TC etc. I don't quite know where the tilt vignette/clip is coming from but I have never had it on my Alpa with T/S and 150mm SK. Even with rise/fall or shift.
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    Well, the no relates to the vignette issue with t/s on an Alpa STC ...

    Obviously I'd never say no to gear
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Libby View Post
    Curios, what have you been able to actually get your hands on and tired out? A lot will become clear once you try out a couple systems (sounds like a fortune cookie)
    Alpa STC but on a P45
    will be in specular tomorrow,
    will see how it fares

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    Quote Originally Posted by f8orbust View Post
    [URL="http://www.alpa.ch/dms/report/alpa-report-2/20130304-ALPA-Report-2-CFL.pdf"]The Alpa mount is basically a ~75mm x 75mm x 'focal length' box - fairly narrow - a quick diagram of a lens 120mm away from the focal plane, at the end of such a box (i.e. a box 75mm x 75mm x 120mm), will show you that light rays traveling to the edge of an image circle 150mm in diameter can never get there. This doesn't change if you move the lens or the sensor, the outer part of the image circle is clipped.
    To put this into perspective, you would have to shift 45mm in each direction to take advantage of a 150mm image circle. None of the cameras being discussed can do that. 40mm is about the most I think, and that would be on the larger versions of cameras from each manufacturer. Saty seems to be leaning towards the lighter, smaller end of the technical camera spectrum. I'm assuming that means large shifts are a bit less important on the priority list. Most of those smaller cameras are limited to 15-25mm. 25mm shift is still only a 111mm IC.*

    Saty, Like Graham I haven't seen any issues, with the exception of placing the 34mm adapter on the lens-end which I mentioned above with the 150mm. But if you simply mount the adapter on the sensor side (which puts everything in better balance anyway), there is no vignetting with the STC.

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    As Doug often points out, he works for a company that sells Arca products.

    Without suggesting that one or another of the cameras is better than the others, I wonder how often repairs are necessary. I do know that when you want information from ALPA, you can get it on their website or by contacting ALPA directly.
    You can always contact myself through email or phone for use questions or repair questions.
    Weekends etc., I am available to answer if not immediately, the next morning at the latest.
    I use the cameras and I have used all of the accessories as well, so ask away if any questions arise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RodK View Post
    You can always contact myself through email or phone for use questions or repair questions.
    Weekends etc., I am available to answer if not immediately, the next morning at the latest.
    I use the cameras and I have used all of the accessories as well, so ask away if any questions arise.
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    ok. this came as a surprise....
    my original plan: was to buy an alpa stc with 40 and 90 rodies....
    I have now tried both systems: the STC at a friend's place a few days ago and a Cambo wrs 1200 today,
    I went in fully expecting the STC to floor the WRS ( at least on perception alone with some prejudice that I picked up reading up on the internet ) but on the contrary, I thought the controls on the cambo were actually much easier, the knobs more accesible from the rear, and frankly, I did not find a great deal of a difference in the "finish" and "precision" that warranted an approximately 7000 K difference for a 2 lens and accessory kit for the alpa... especially with the back and lenses being the same.

    Not sure if shimming (an alpa exclusivity ) makes a difference for infinity focus..
    and yes, the 32 HR is pure gold.
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    Infinity focus is perfectly adjustable on any of the three systems. With the Cambo, it's done on a per lens basis via set screws. With Arca, no physical adjustment is necessary (it may be possible, I don't know). Since all distances translate to helical focus settings, you just remember which number corresponds to infinity, and add that offset to any other focus calculation. E.g., if infinity is 3.4, and focusing at 10 feet with your lens translates to 25.7, then set the focus at 29.1

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    About the infinity calibration on the Arca. If you use the e-module, you get a read-out directly on the device's screen about the position of the helical (in meters). Presumably this already takes into account the infinity calibration. Is the programming of the infinity focus on each lens done at the factory, or can you do it yourself (if you decide that infinity is at 3.2 and not 3.4 for example, using the example above) ?
    I guess that would pre-suppose the e-module is delivered with some software to allow reprogramming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satybhat View Post
    ok. this came as a surprise....
    my original plan: was to buy an alpa stc with 40 and 90 rodies....
    I have now tried both systems: the STC at a friend's place a few days ago and a Cambo wrs 1200 today,
    I went in fully expecting the STC to floor the WRS ( at least on perception alone with some prejudice that I picked up reading up on the internet ) but on the contrary, I thought the controls on the cambo were actually much easier, the knobs more accesible from the rear, and frankly, I did not find a great deal of a difference in the "finish" and "precision" that warranted an approximately 7000 K difference for a 2 lens and accessory kit for the alpa... especially with the back and lenses being the same.

    Not sure if shimming (an alpa exclusivity ) makes a difference for infinity focus..
    and yes, the 32 HR is pure gold.
    Remember the WRS 1200 is the base model. You can get the WRS5000 which has some nice improvements. Believe me I'm not surprised here by your reaction to the Cambo.
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    Just remember with T/S mounts it's about a 1200 dollar increase per lens. Which still may wind up the same basic price as the Alpa per lens. I'm not sure of pricing so much and would have to compare that . But still you have to buy the tilt adapter for the Alpa. In general Alpa always seemed more expensive. But again that's just a general comment you have to sit down and do the math in real terms. Personally I would compare on a per system basis with accessories for each. Since really end of day that's what's coming out of your bank account. Something maybe cheaper per item on one but more expensive on another so getting kit pricing is best.
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    Given your criteria from your comments it seems to me Cambo or Alpa might be your best route and that's nothing against the Arca but going by some of your comments. Alpa and Cambo in the models your after are the smaller in size units.

    I know we all comment on each systems strengths and weaknesses which is great for making decisions on needs but reality is these systems are very close in regards to quality functions and abilities. The trick is figuring out what marked limitations would truly hold you back from shooting. I have shot all three and they are great systems and I truly never hit a wall with any of them. Just knowing workarounds and more important being able to work comfortable with them so your not out there scratching your head and missing great shots. After 19 workshops I have seen plenty of that you want something that gets you away from being a gear head when your shooting and getting art instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MGrayson View Post
    Infinity focus is perfectly adjustable on any of the three systems. With the Cambo, it's done on a per lens basis via set screws. With Arca, no physical adjustment is necessary (it may be possible, I don't know). Since all distances translate to helical focus settings, you just remember which number corresponds to infinity, and add that offset to any other focus calculation. E.g., if infinity is 3.4, and focusing at 10 feet with your lens translates to 25.7, then set the focus at 29.1

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    Adjustment/calibration is not an alpa exclusive in any way.

    All three systems can (and should be) be adjusted to perfectly match your back by you or your dealer.

    As a bonus for Arca if you have more than one digital back you can switch calibrations without any physical changes. First-world problem there .
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    I actually calibrated my Cambo lenses it was fairly easy and 1 out of 3 was off but it was a old 35xl . After I got that calibrated it was perfect. It was 3 screws on the lens barrel and just making adjustments shooting tethered to a laptop on your infinity setting. Pretty easy stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I actually calibrated my Cambo lenses it was fairly easy and 1 out of 3 was off but it was a old 35xl . After I got that calibrated it was perfect. It was 3 screws on the lens barrel and just making adjustments shooting tethered to a laptop on your infinity setting. Pretty easy stuff.
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    Thanks Peter for finding that.
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