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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    I'm convinced tech camera has a substantial growth potential, mainly in the amateur space. What's the coolest way to shoot landscape? Tech camera of course! Phase One's $35K for a back is still too expensive to unlock the true potential of the market though. There will still be amateurs that can afford it, but the lower the price the more can.

    As far as I know one can't buy only the back from Hasselblad (except CFV-50 which I guess will be discontinued soon), which otherwise would be a considerably cheaper back than Phase One's.

    So I think there are reasons both Phase One and Hasselblad should care more about tech cameras than they do.

    Hasselblad has arguably the better camera and the worse backs. They get more backs sold thanks to selling it together with the camera.

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    The latest version of Phocus was just released with these features.

    Phocus 2.8 Mac
    This is a feature release that also incorporates a number of improvements and fixed

    New features

    Capture Sequencer

    This new tool enables various kind of tethered capture automation like interval capture, self timer and exposure bracketing.

    Landscape compare mode

    In addition to the existing side-by-side comparison, you can now switch to a mode that works better for images in landscape format.

    Hasselblad L* working space

    The Reproduction tool will now let you select a new Hasselblad L* working space as an alternative to Hasselblad RGB.

    Eizo Monitor Support

    For the self calibrating Eizo monitors Phocus will offer you the opportunity of setting up and executing display calibration using parameters that are optimal for viewing images in Phocus.

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    This prices of the next Hassy and Phase 50MP Cmos its just stupid...

    The only two DMF brands are killing this segment with hardcore por* prices, 35.000$ / 45.000$ for a sistem with a few lens in today profissional photo market?
    35.000$ for a tuned Mamiya 645 10years/fuji gx645 old body and a larger 35mm format sensor with 1.3 crop? my good this medium are mad or what???

    Don´t the people see that this p**n prices are reducing the users of this systems just to few top photographer and rich amateurs?
    Where is a enter level system DMF 28MP/33MP full frame for 5000/7000$ Huh THAT ITS WHAT BRINGS NEW USER TO THE MEDIUM FORMAT
    The biggest advantage of the Medium Format its the large viewfinder and the DOF, i was a Hassy H3D39II user, and sold it and bought a Mamiya ZD DSLR just because i love MF DOF and Viewfinder, not megapixeis.... stop the megapixeis war, por* prices and think about bring new user again to the MF

    In my country Portugal, in 2 or 3 years i saw great number of profissional photographers leaving DMF for the D800

    Its sad, very sad...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pedro39photo View Post
    This prices of the next Hassy and Phase 50MP Cmos its just stupid...

    The only two DMF brands are killing this segment with hardcore por* prices, 35.000$ / 45.000$ for a sistem with a few lens in today profissional photo market?
    35.000$ for a tuned Mamiya 645 10years/fuji gx645 old body and a larger 35mm format sensor with 1.3 crop? my good this medium are mad or what???

    Don´t the people see that this p**n prices are reducing the users of this systems just to few top photographer and rich amateurs?
    Where is a enter level system DMF 28MP/33MP full frame for 5000/7000$ Huh THAT ITS WHAT BRINGS NEW USER TO THE MEDIUM FORMAT
    The biggest advantage of the Medium Format its the large viewfinder and the DOF, i was a Hassy H3D39II user, and sold it and bought a Mamiya ZD DSLR just because i love MF DOF and Viewfinder, not megapixeis.... stop the megapixeis war, por* prices and think about bring new user again to the MF

    In my country Portugal, in 2 or 3 years i saw great number of profissional photographers leaving DMF for the D800

    Its sad, very sad...
    Hey Pedro,

    This is off topic but I just had to let you know what I am thinking.

    I am also a long time DMF user and continue to use my gear, but I have also gone back to the future.

    I am using film again, whenever possible. In using film I can change sensors as easily as I change a roll or sheet and I get what I want.

    Seriously, film is an option, and suddenly processing cost looks like a bargain.

    OK, back to the next GREATEST new camera...
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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    "According to the details provided by the manufacturer at its CP+ 2014 booth, the H5D-50c will be released in March, bearing a price tag of 2.6 million yen / $25,500 / €18,700, significantly cheaper than its direct competition, the recently launched Phase One IQ250, which is priced at $34,990 / €24,990."

    Hasselblad H5D-50c and A-mount HV Spotted at CP 2014
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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    I would think that at $25k there would be more interest amongst existing H users to upgrade than perhaps the Phase One gouging, err I mean pricing.
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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    Quote Originally Posted by Poul View Post
    "According to the details provided by the manufacturer at its CP+ 2014 booth, the H5D-50c will be released in March, bearing a price tag of 2.6 million yen / $25,500 / €18,700, significantly cheaper than its direct competition, the recently launched Phase One IQ250, which is priced at $34,990 / €24,990."

    Hasselblad H5D-50c and A-mount HV Spotted at CP 2014
    Hi, yes,
    but if lacks the live view and other characteristics (like fast connections) of the Phase One it really not an apple to apple comparison.
    Let wait and see.

    If I were hasselblad I will release the multi shot at that price and let the competency either die or deal with it.

    I know it will not going to happen, but one can dream.

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    i don't think the blad will have the retina-like display, maybe not USB3
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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    Just to put these prices in perspective you can buy a Pentax 645D and 120 macro for €7900 in Nederland.. Pentax 645D + SMC-FA 120mm F4.0 Macro

    Different sensor and no DB for tech cams but a significant amount of money that could be spent on glass or lighting..

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announce

    Meaning no disrespect, I call in to question your dream pertaining to Hasselblad
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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announce

    Quote Originally Posted by stngoldberg View Post
    Meaning no disrespect, I call in to question your dream pertaining to Hasselblad
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    Could you elaborate?

    Best regards,

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    Lets say the new 50c has the same screen as the standard 50, and doesn't have in back live view. Lets also assume that image quality differences are the same as comparing the Phase IQ160 Vs. the H5d-60 Vs. the Credo 60.

    Personally, I think the H is a far, far better camera than the DF+, and I prefer leaf shutter lenses firing without an FPS causing extra vibrations (which, as I understand it, is how the DF+ operates when using the Schneider lenses? Correct me if I'm wrong…). I also prefer the H viewfinder.

    Now, if I weren't a tech camera shooter, I'd think I'd rather save 10K and get the 'Blad over the Phase, but only if prior investment in lenses and system accessories wasn't an issue.

    Of course, this is only my personal opinion and the proof will be in the pudding. Lets wait for an official announcement and for the actual products to ship.

    Quote Originally Posted by jduncan View Post
    Hi, yes,
    but if lacks the live view and other characteristics (like fast connections) of the Phase One it really not an apple to apple comparison.
    Let wait and see.

    If I were hasselblad I will release the multi shot at that price and let the competency either die or deal with it.

    I know it will not going to happen, but one can dream.

    Best regards,

    J. Duncan

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I would think that at $25k there would be more interest amongst existing H users to upgrade than perhaps the Phase One gouging, err I mean pricing.
    I think that may depend on a few additional factors.

    There is no mention of a battery solution for the H5D/50c like there is "supposed" to be for the H5D/60. This omission (if true) makes it semi-useless for field/tech camera shooters that would benefit the most from live view. Phase One continues to own this area of DB use.

    As I understand it, live view won't be implemented at launch … owners will have to wait for an update … which Hasselblad has be notoriously slow in doing … and in the case of the battery solution for the H4D/60, never materialized … which pissed me off no end.

    How many current owners will move to the H5D/50c may well depend on whether Hasselblad implements a trade policy like in past. Typically, these trade programs favored trading older models, so moving from older H3D/31 and H3D/39s was a more attractive proposition than trading a more current model.

    All that said, IF I were still working with the Hasselblad system where I usually had two cameras (like a H4D/40 and H4D/60) … I would now be shooting the H5D/50c in place of the 40, and a H5D/50 Multi-Shot in place of the 60 for studio work.

    Those days are now past.

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    When tech cameras are used in the field it's often about wide angles, and from what I've seen so far I don't think the IQ250 is that useful, too much color cast and pixel crosstalk. I think we need a different type of CMOS sensor for that.

    In the studio for products longer lenses are used and most shoot thethered, and I'd guess that the H5D-50c live view on the desktop would be fine there. So in practice it might not be that much worse than the IQ250.

    Live view directly in the back is indeed a desirable feature, but those that need it the most -- field tech cam users -- need it to play well with wide angles, and it doesn't seem to do that. So it's not the type of game-changer it could have been, but combine it with wider angular response and make it larger and we indeed have one.

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I think that may depend on a few additional factors.

    There is no mention of a battery solution for the H5D/50c like there is "supposed" to be for the H5D/60. This omission (if true) makes it semi-useless for field/tech camera shooters that would benefit the most from live view. Phase One continues to own this area of DB use.

    As I understand it, live view won't be implemented at launch … owners will have to wait for an update … which Hasselblad has be notoriously slow in doing … and in the case of the battery solution for the H4D/60, never materialized … which pissed me off no end.

    How many current owners will move to the H5D/50c may well depend on whether Hasselblad implements a trade policy like in past. Typically, these trade programs favored trading older models, so moving from older H3D/31 and H3D/39s was a more attractive proposition than trading a more current model.

    All that said, IF I were still working with the Hasselblad system where I usually had two cameras (like a H4D/40 and H4D/60) … I would now be shooting the H5D/50c in place of the 40, and a H5D/50 Multi-Shot in place of the 60 for studio work.

    Those days are now past.

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    Marc,
    As a frequent visitor to this forum, I know that you are extremely well educated on the Hasselblad system. I respectfully point out that on my H5D50 there is a battery solution. The battery clips on to the base of the back-it is a standard rechargeable sony battery which powers the back for quite some time,--the battery is inexpensive and easily obtainable.

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    Lets say the new 50c has the same screen as the standard 50, and doesn't have in back live view. Lets also assume that image quality differences are the same as comparing the Phase IQ160 Vs. the H5d-60 Vs. the Credo 60.

    Personally, I think the H is a far, far better camera than the DF+, and I prefer leaf shutter lenses firing without an FPS causing extra vibrations (which, as I understand it, is how the DF+ operates when using the Schneider lenses? Correct me if I'm wrong…). I also prefer the H viewfinder.

    Now, if I weren't a tech camera shooter, I'd think I'd rather save 10K and get the 'Blad over the Phase, but only if prior investment in lenses and system accessories wasn't an issue.

    Of course, this is only my personal opinion and the proof will be in the pudding. Lets wait for an official announcement and for the actual products to ship.

    I agree,

    I don't use technical cameras, and yes for, me the Hasselblad system, is at this moment, my alternative (to my Nikon system).

    I agree then, my point is that without the extra features is not fair to see as at apples to apples comparison. Of course for people that don't need the on camera live-view the Hasselblad could be a better option.

    The missing link is high speed connection. Not having fast communication between the camera and the computer adds to the lack of on camera live view.

    As you say we are close to the release.

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    Quote Originally Posted by stngoldberg View Post
    Marc,
    As a frequent visitor to this forum, I know that you are extremely well educated on the Hasselblad system. I respectfully point out that on my H5D50 there is a battery solution. The battery clips on to the base of the back-it is a standard rechargeable sony battery which powers the back for quite some time,--the battery is inexpensive and easily obtainable.
    I suppose that you mean this. Good to know.

    Also: apparently, all Hasselblad backs can be powered from the firewire port.

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    Hasselblad have released their specs for the Cmos cam... the shutter speed range is listed as 12 minutes to 1/800 sec... I believe the IQ is a lot longer,still 12mins is a lot better than 2mins..

    http://www.hasselblad.com/products/h...m/h5d-50c.aspx

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    Quote Originally Posted by RVB View Post
    Hasselblad have released their specs for the Cmos cam... the shutter speed range is listed as 12 minutes to 1/800 sec... I believe the IQ is a lot longer,still 12mins is a lot better than 2mins..

    H5D-50c
    IQ is spec'd as 60 minutes to 1/4000th (focal plane) or 1/1600th (DF+ leaf shutter).

    Based on the very long exposures I've seen (40 and 60 minutes) I suspect this is a conservative spec and much longer exposures will be possible. But proving it is fairly low on my test list as 60 minutes covers nearly every user we have.

    We also got our first H mount IQ250, which we are showing at WPPI this week. It goes about 1.5fps (maybe faster) and does not easily hit a buffer. I'll do a formal test later today or tomorrow.
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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    The Hasselblad probably does not need a dark frame subtraction which I find a huge plus with longer exposures. A 12minute exposure really only does 12 minutes in that case instead of 24.

    Can the dark frame subtraction be turned off with the P1?

    Bummer I find the live video only available via Phocus, hopefully this will be added to the screen too with a firmware update.

    Now, I just need to figure out whether I feel it is enough to upgrade my pretty new H5D40... (It would not be a substitute for the 60)

    BTW the 50c should be considered a replacement for the 40 IMO which has a 4min. exposure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustbak View Post
    The Hasselblad probably does not need a dark frame subtraction which I find a huge plus with longer exposures. A 12minute exposure really only does 12 minutes in that case instead of 24.

    Can the dark frame subtraction be turned off with the P1?

    Bummer I find the live video only available via Phocus, hopefully this will be added to the screen too with a firmware update.

    Now, I just need to figure out whether I feel it is enough to upgrade my pretty new H5D40... (It would not be a substitute for the 60)

    BTW the 50c should be considered a replacement for the 40 IMO which has a 4min. exposure.

    It does work in Phocus mobile,now if only Hasselblad would add wifi or a cable connection for iOS.

    Good points about DFS..

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    A bit saner priced than Phase One's back I'd say, although this will still be more than twice a Pentax of course.

    It's live view is only tethered and then only 10-15 frames per second, and I'm assuming that the back screen is of the aging kind. That puts it behind the IQ250, but for the typical uses these backs will be used in I don't think it will matter much.

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    Does seem weird that you would have to pay $10K extra for a decent touch screen and live view. They should buy an android mobile phone, pull out the screen and build an app, tongue in cheek perhaps but....
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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    I think the reason is that Hasselblad is a company in trouble, they simply can't afford to make proper product development in their MF range. Staying with an aging but proven processing platform is probably a less bad strategy for them at this point than putting development resources they don't have into upgrading the digital back platform to something that competes with the IQ series. For practical professional use most don't need the extra GUI features of the IQ series anyway. Even with a lousy screen image quality will still be great.

    It's not only the screen that needs replacement, probably the processing platform is too sluggish to be able to make anything useful of a high resolution touch screen. I don't think it's that hard to upgrade the platform, these days you can probably borrow a lot from other mobile platforms and reduce development effort significantly, but you still need to make some investments. And that may not be compatible with the current direction of the company.

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    I think the reason is that Hasselblad is a company in trouble, they simply can't afford to make proper product development in their MF range.
    Word is that both the camera part and the back part of the H5D are an extensive redesign from the H4D. For the camera part, it also seems that the manufacture was moved back from Japan to Sweden.

    The new backs are much faster than the previous generation. That is immediately apparent when one plays with them for a few minutes. So there must have been some changes under the hood.

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    Allegedly, live view is coming via a firmware update.

    The H5D does have a number of performance enhancements over the H4D … including a bit better implementation of True Focus, and faster processing … making a great body even better.

    If I were still working my bum off and vested in Hasselblad, I'd be all over this camera.

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    Great to hear about the new platform, I didn't know! Then this will in time surely be a better value offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Allegedly, live view is coming via a firmware update.
    sorry...
    but who in the world would ever ever again trust the words from hasselblad about future developmends of hasselblad?

    personally i would feel guilty by even copy and pasting statements about future plans of hasselblad!

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    The screen only seems to be 460x320 pixels, so it's not comparable to a IQ250 screen. You don't need that high resolution to make it useful though, more important that it has good contrast in strong light. Today such low resolution will probably give a bit dated feel to it though, so the platform upgrade seem to be quite evolutionary compared to the big jump Phase One did from P+ series to the IQ series.

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    Quote Originally Posted by jerome_m View Post
    For the camera part, it also seems that the manufacture was moved back from Japan to Sweden.
    The cameras were *never* made in Japan.

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick-T View Post
    The cameras were *never* made in Japan.
    The viewfinder is made in Japan,the back in Denmark,not sure about the body,I think the backs are made in Sweden now..

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    Quote Originally Posted by RVB View Post
    The viewfinder is made in Japan,the back in Denmark,not sure about the body,I think the backs are made in Sweden now..
    Yes Hasselblad moved their facilities in Denmark to Gothenburg in Sweden.

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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    The screen only seems to be 460x320 pixels, so it's not comparable to a IQ250 screen. You don't need that high resolution to make it useful though, more important that it has good contrast in strong light. Today such low resolution will probably give a bit dated feel to it though, so the platform upgrade seem to be quite evolutionary compared to the big jump Phase One did from P+ series to the IQ series.
    Its really absurd that they would use such a low res screen on the new H5D's. No excuse. It should be much better.
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    Re: Hasselblad CMOS 50 announced

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_R View Post
    Its really absurd that they would use such a low res screen on the new H5D's. No excuse. It should be much better.
    Agreed,they need to raise their game.the H is a great camera but this will drive potential buyers to other platforms,the Leica S has a very nice LCD and the price is completive with the H4d-40
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