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    Re: Tethering with the Surface Pro 2: Enabling with the Phase IQ Series + Credo MFDBs

    I think the Surface 3 may be under-powered with its Intel Atom processor to run C1 Pro 8 effectively. Confusing naming conventions if you ask me. Surface Pro versions run Intel Core i5 and i7 processors which work great for tethering with C1 Pro 8.

    I'm sorta torn between larger screen versions SP2 10" versus SP4 12" and possibly 14" screens---for size/weight/portability. Btw, Paul just confirmed the new light hiker clamp does work on the SP3 also, but really doubtful it could handle 14"!

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    I also have reservations on a SP Lite. It might be able to run C1 Pro 8 tethered but I think there'd be a bottleneck that might slow it down too much. My SP-3 works great as configured and don't feel the need to work backwards. I like the concept of the SP4 with more RAM but so far have been unable to find out if it'll have 1 or 2 USB ports.
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    I agree. The biggest single benefit for me in tethering is image review, especially with the hi-res capability now introduced in C1 8.2. I'm not sure an Atom processor will navigate one of these previews in near-realtime as we would need for a good workflow.

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    Since this thread seems to have the most tips/information on the Surface Pro, I'm adding this blog link on the latest generation SP clamping options: https://kendoophotography.wordpress....clamp-choices/

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    I can't quite seem to find a straight answer on this. I have a Surface Pro 3. I'm looking to shoot tethered to Capture One while simultaneously batch processing TIFFs to an external drive. Do I simply need a USB 3.0 hub? Should it be a DC-powered one? Thanks so much.

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    Re: Tethering with the Surface Pro 2: Enabling with the Phase IQ Series + Credo MFDBs

    If you are using a USB 3.0 external drive then yes a hub will be required. A passive USB 3 hub will be ok but obviously you will be pulling power from the surface pro 3 so that will be some battery load. You shouldn't really see any significant impacts on the tethered flow assuming that everything is running true USB 3 data rates.
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    Excellent. Thank you Graham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    If you are using a USB 3.0 external drive then yes a hub will be required. A passive USB 3 hub will be ok but obviously you will be pulling power from the surface pro 3 so that will be some battery load. You shouldn't really see any significant impacts on the tethered flow assuming that everything is running true USB 3 data rates.
    In my tests last year, Surface Pro 3 just doesn't output enough power to drive a passive hub, and drive external hard disks. (not even a 1TB flash drive / key). it 'kinda of works' but you find once copies start, things drop out.
    Caveat: These tests were with a card reader and a hard disk however, not a tethered IQ. May be ok as the IQ won't be drawing power. I'll have to try that.

    You may need to add a powered Hub, and a USB Battery. I use a little Targus hub, and USB power cable, either from the Surface Pro powersupply (when near a powerpoint), or a USB 3 portable battery (when not).
    This is with a Kingston 1Tb USB 3 Thumb Drive I use when going super lightweight, even for computer.

    Desperately hoping the Pro 4 has 2 USB ports.

    On a side topic, I'm just revisiting my IQ160/Cambo and found this thread / ken's blog an Exceptional source of information. Amazon is currently winging many of the component to build the tether /mounting system in my direction.
    I thank you all for the work put into this evolution !.


    Headed to the Arctic in a few weeks to shoot polar bears in the ice pack, I wasn't going to take the Phase, (Canon Kit, 1Dx, 5DS, the usual array of long glass for wildlife) but maybe it will just have to come along anyway...

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    Re: Tethering with the Surface Pro 2: Enabling with the Phase IQ Series + Credo MFDBs

    I'm not sure if I missed this or just can't find it, but is there a way to configure tethering the Surface to my IQ160 so that the images are saved to the CF card?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rga View Post
    I'm not sure if I missed this or just can't find it, but is there a way to configure tethering the Surface to my IQ160 so that the images are saved to the CF card?
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    Actually, recent FW updates for IQ series MFDBs (not the latest one for the XF---don't use that one yet!) does allow some choice with regard to storage of your images. On your IQ, go to MENU, then to STORAGE OPTIONS. You can choose AUTO, CF, FIREWIRE, or USB.

    When tethered, if you select AUTO or USB, the image file will store automatically to the Surface Pro. (Firewire? what the hell is that ). If you select CF----ta-dah! the image file will store to the CF card even when tethered!

    We are probably just about one more FW update and a few more requests to Phase from having the option of saving to CF, Hard drive, or both CF and Harddrive. I'm sure the last option would take more time and power to write/save, but at least that could be a user-selectable option. Double back-ups!

    For now, I'm really happy that Phase One is listening, and we now have the option to choose between CF or Hard drive to save image files when tethered.



    Hope you've checked out my last Blog on Surface Pro clamping options---the last CLITS clamp version 3 is awesome! I'll try and update with yet another video later.

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    Re: Tethering with the Surface Pro 2: Enabling with the Phase IQ Series + Credo MFDBs

    Hmm ... How did I miss that? Good news at least.
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    Re: Tethering with the Surface Pro 2: Enabling with the Phase IQ Series + Credo MFDBs

    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    Actually, recent FW updates for IQ series MFDBs (not the latest one for the XF---don't use that one yet!) does allow some choice with regard to storage of your images. On your IQ, go to MENU, then to STORAGE OPTIONS. You can choose AUTO, CF, FIREWIRE, or USB.

    When tethered, if you select AUTO or USB, the image file will store automatically to the Surface Pro. (Firewire? what the hell is that ). If you select CF----ta-dah! the image file will store to the CF card even when tethered!

    We are probably just about one more FW update and a few more requests to Phase from having the option of saving to CF, Hard drive, or both CF and Harddrive. I'm sure the last option would take more time and power to write/save, but at least that could be a user-selectable option. Double back-ups!

    For now, I'm really happy that Phase One is listening, and we now have the option to choose between CF or Hard drive to save image files when tethered.



    Hope you've checked out my last Blog on Surface Pro clamping options---the last CLITS clamp version 3 is awesome! I'll try and update with yet another video later.

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    Can you write to both the card and hard drive? Also what is the last firmware before the one that has the additions for the XF? Do you have that one saved where I could download it.

    BTW the magnetic clamp is awesome. I have mine finished and will try to get a video up soon.

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    Re: Tethering with the Surface Pro 2: Enabling with the Phase IQ Series + Credo MFDBs

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    Ken

    Can you write to both the card and hard drive? Also what is the last firmware before the one that has the additions for the XF? Do you have that one saved where I could download it.

    BTW the magnetic clamp is awesome. I have mine finished and will try to get a video up soon.

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    You can only write to the CF card or to the hard drive----not both. I'm hoping that Phase eventually relents and allows the end user this option to decide, adding the ability to save to both CF and hard drive when tethered.

    The latest FW is 5.20.1 (right before the XF Firmware which we aren't supposed to install yet!) and can be found at this Dropbox link (along with older FW and the Phase Updater software if you wish): https://www.dropbox.com/sh/258ngmkjx...NftHsnnYa?dl=0 Do NOT use FW6.01.8 which is in a separate folder inside the Dropbox folder until the coast is clear!

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    Re: Tethering with the Surface Pro 2: Enabling with the Phase IQ Series + Credo MFDBs

    Has anyone tried this with the new 12" MacBook ? (the 'Air' look alike).

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    Re: Tethering with the Surface Pro 2: Enabling with the Phase IQ Series + Credo MFDBs

    Quote Originally Posted by Marlyn View Post
    Has anyone tried this with the new 12" MacBook ? (the 'Air' look alike).

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    I am sure the MacBook will work tether fine but die tongue fixed key board non tablet design I don't think it will work well with Ken's excellent solution.

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    Re: Tethering with the Surface Pro 2: Enabling with the Phase IQ Series + Credo MFDBs

    All bits finally arrived today from Amazon / B&H for trying this out. (I am in the middle east, I SO miss 'overnight' deliveries )

    After initial construction, I have to say I'm impressed. It is simple, elegant and practical solution to the mounting problem. Thank you Ken, Don, and all others who have evolved this method over the past year or so.


    I tried all 3 methods which are latest on Ken's blog, and at this point settled on the Nano-Clamp - Ball head - CheesePlate - Magnets option as the smallest and most practical solution.


    Couple of points.

    1. The leg on the Urban Armour case, keeps wanting to move when I adjust the Surface position, or try and take it off (Especially tilt it UP). For now I've stuck the leg down with tape, but wondering if anyone else had this issue.

    2. The Gittos Pro mico ballhead seems a bit weak. Really have to tighten it down if I don't want things to move, and that is a bit awkward. Are there any (good) alternatives that are a bit stronger, but don't shoot the weight etc up too much ? Any other experiences with this ?.



    Again, thanks Ken/Don and co for the great innovation !.

    Regards


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    Re: Tethering with the Surface Pro 2: Enabling with the Phase IQ Series + Credo MFDBs

    I noted the same problems.

    I used gaffers tape to keep the kick stand in place when I use the UAG case. But most times I just use the Surface naked with the metal plate on the back of the surface.

    I agree the micro ball is a bit weak and does not always stay in place even with the knob totally tightened. I need to look for a different micro head. I think Ken was looking at another brand.

    The magnets however rock, they are great.

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    With the magnetic clamp option (CLITS clamp version 3 is my favorite) it can be a "balancing act" of sorts. It's best to mount the plates as close as possible towards the top of the leg hinge on the UAG case. Also, there will be some variation when attaching the SP, the magnets will catch where you place it, and obviously if you attach closer towards the hinge point, the better balanced it will be. I haven't found the need to use gaffers tape in that regard. I do find it is best to "twist" the SP off of the magnetic clamp though as the magnets are pretty strong!

    There is a tension screw I believe that you may be able to adjust the Giottos Mini Ball Head. Maybe there is some variability in quality control, but my ball head is rock solid with the SP2. Easy to adjust and no creep.

    For those unfamiliar with this latest tethering clamp system, you can read about it on my blog. I just updated the blog and uploaded a quick video of this latest magnetic clamp version. https://kendoophotography.wordpress....clamp-choices/

    If you want a stronger ball head, I don't think it would be difficult to substitute in a different mini-ball head. There will probably be a small hit to size and weight, but I don't think a severe enough hit where it would be significant. I think the biggest drawback is going to be the cost---if you want a small ball head with higher capacity, it will cost more. But also realize in the scheme of things, this particular magnetic clamp option is really quite affordable already. Adding a different ball head shouldn't break the bank.

    KPS loaned me a specialty (not for sale, made for a client) mini ball head but it was a bit loose in adjustment, but it obviously far exceeds capacity requirements!

    Take a look at RRS BH-25 PF: http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/Shop...-platform.html This option is only about 3/4" longer. And knowing RRS, I'll place bets that this will resolve any ball head concerns, albeit investing a bit more money. But rather than just guess, I did what any other professional enabler would do: I called Don Libby and told him what I thought would be the virtues of upgrading his magnetic CLITS clamp with the RRS BH-25 PF. Don has ordered the RRS BH25 PF and will report back here shortly.

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    Our conversations (Ken and mine) normally go something likethis "Do you think..." and before the other can finish the thoughtthe other person normally says "Buy It".

    I'm now using the magnetic CLITS system and like it with theexception of the mini ballhead. For whatever the reason the ballhead isn't strong enough to support the SP3which is now back to wearing the UAG case.I've also been reluctant to spend any more money on this as it's"okay" the way it is; just not perfect as it needs a strongerballhead.Anyway I placed the order acouple minutes ago so I should have this early next week and will report backonce I have it.

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    I think I have a BH-25 kicking around here someplace, I'll see if I can find it and give it a go. (I know I have the BH-40, but that's way overkill).

    Given the small fortune in Tripod, Heads (Cube, which just got replaces by the KPS Geared head, thanks to Ken's Blog post for that hit to the wallet !), Cambo, IQ, etc etc, whats one more bit


    Spent most of the afternoon using it, and as a tether system it works great. Very glad you guys put the work in on that one ! Much appreciated.

    However, my latest beef, after shooting all afternoon with it, is Capture one. Either I don't know how to drive it properly, and there are ways to set it up better, or the UI designer needs some help with touch input.


    So, questions to the experts.

    1. I had to set the text scaling on the Surface to MAX to get the icons 'clickable' with a finger, and even thing its a bit ho-hum. What do you guys do ?

    2. Click Zoom. Is there a way to set the zoom-to-touch-point (not the slider), to allow zoom in and zoom out at the same time, perhaps by pinch, or some other means, without having to constantly try and click the toolbar, and change 'mode' ? That was by far the biggest frustration and drove me nuts all day. Am I missing something obvious ?

    3. Can you be in zoom and Pan mode at the same time, again without have to mode switch ?

    4. Is there a way to stop Liveview, without closing the live view window ? (with the tiny 'x' that goes along with doing that).

    I think what I'm really asking is,
    A: - is there a Touch interface to Capture 1 I'm not seeing that understands multi-touch, gestures and the rest ?

    B: - Don, Ken, how do you guys setup the surface, (resolution etc), and C1 for this to be efficient.

    Enquiring minds want to know !


    Again, much appreciated for all the work into this one !

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    Re: Tethering with the Surface Pro 2: Enabling with the Phase IQ Series + Credo MFDBs

    Quick update.

    Rattled around the lighting and tripod draws to try a few things. As suspected, any even mid size ballheads are just over kill, heavy etc. They also collide with the nano clamp preventing it from opening far enough to go around tripod legs. Fixable with a spacer, but then it becomes even larger.

    I came across this in the lighting draw, which actually works quite well. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...all_Joint.html

    Is more bulky, but secures well and gives lots of adjustment for position.

    Likely the BH25 will be better however. Just need to know if it impacts the Nano clamp or not.

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    Re: Tethering with the Surface Pro 2: Enabling with the Phase IQ Series + Credo MFDBs

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Libby View Post
    Our conversations (Ken and mine) normally go something likethis "Do you think..." and before the other can finish the thoughtthe other person normally says "Buy It".

    I'm now using the magnetic CLITS system and like it with theexception of the mini ballhead. For whatever the reason the ballhead isn't strong enough to support the SP3which is now back to wearing the UAG case.I've also been reluctant to spend any more money on this as it's"okay" the way it is; just not perfect as it needs a strongerballhead.Anyway I placed the order acouple minutes ago so I should have this early next week and will report backonce I have it.

    Don
    My system is almost totally complete. I can have the S2 resting out of the way on a tripod leg or put it up front on the mini ball head. I have to say again this a great solution. Both clamps and magnets weigh almost nothing.

    I also ordered the bh-25. One thing to note it appears to have a 3/8 inch screw instead of 1/4 20 like the mini ball head. I am referring to the threads on the bottom of the bh-25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    My system is almost totally complete. I can have the S2 resting out of the way on a tripod leg or put it up front on the mini ball head. I have to say again this a great solution. Both clamps and magnets weigh almost nothing.

    I also ordered the bh-25. One thing to note it appears to have a 3/8 inch screw instead of 1/4 20 like the mini ball head. I am referring to the threads on the bottom of the bh-25.

    Paul
    I think there may be some quality variation as I simply am not having any issues with my Giottos Mini Ballhead (knock on wood!). That being said, I trust the RRS option will be better than the Giottos mini ballhead. The top appears to take a 1/4" thread and the platform should give more stability when the cheeseplate is attached. The bottom is 3/8 screw which can also be reduced to a 1/4 20----not that it matters as the Nano clamp can accept either size bolt. I really like this clamp option! Low priority for me, but I may upgrade to the RRS ball head later down the line.

    Ok, so now we wait for the Surface Pro 4, and a better anti-glare screen solution! Anything better than a dark cloth?

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    I got 2 Gittos heads, and both are 'meh'. It does hold fine nt he stuido, but only if tightened down hard, and can be moved by hand. Mainly not sure I want to trust it in the field.

    I tightened the little side screw up, didnt' make any difference.


    I'm heading to the Arctic in just over a week, so looking forward to trying this out in the field.


    Would appreciate any thoughts from the Guru's on the C1 questions above that directly relate with this tethering (i.e. running C1 in Touch mode).

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    Re: Tethering with the Surface Pro 2: Enabling with the Phase IQ Series + Credo MFDBs

    Mark, this is whatI've done to my SP3 for tethering...

    1. I've locked the screen brightness at max for shooting outdoors.

    2. Display is set at Large

    3. Whenever I'm out shooting I'll turn off Wi-Fi for betterbattery life.

    4. I have a dedicated workspace which I configured to mytaste (Library, Capture and Lens Correction)

    5. I haven't been using Liveview enough to make an intelligent response as I'm still kicking the tireon using it. Sorry...

    6. I keep the pen handy (I actually have a spare for when I eventuallylose this one).

    6a. I use the peninstead of my fat fingers since it works much better and much faster.

    7. I've tried puttingthe SP3 back on the leg however found it wasn't for me.This might be in part due to the weakballhead which the BH-25 should fix however I believe it's more to the way Ihave the camera set up.I'm using asmall panning clamp in-between the tripod and the panning rail which allows methe ability to move everything; camera and SP3 at the same time and use asmaller USB3 cable without getting it tangled.I now use a QR panning clamp on the bottom of the rail to attach to thetripod, a QR clamp on the top of the rail to set my Cube into and yes that's alot of QR clamps.I'll post anotherphoto after I get the BH25 Tuesday.

    Hope this helps...


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    Re: Tethering with the Surface Pro 2: Enabling with the Phase IQ Series + Credo MFDBs

    Plus one on getting a 2nd pen. I still mainly tether with the S2, but 3rd trip out, dropped the pen into a creek, goodbye. It's a bit hard to use the S2 or S3 without a pen if you have big fingers like me.

    One other note, since the magnets allow access to the bottom you can attach the full sized keyboard if you want, and it will stay in place. With the other clamping options, this was not possible since the clamps wrapped around the bottom of the keyboard.

    I realize the keyboard adds a bit of weight, but it's a cool feature of the Clits (hope I spelled that right ). So when I am on a trip where I am not worried as much about weight, I have started bringing the keyboard. Hard to beat it.

    I also have a dedicated workspace, pretty much identical to Don's showing just those key parts of C1. I also use the navigator as a floating tool on the workspace, so you can move around and move the navigator box tool if it's in the way of your view.

    100% brightness on the screen for both S2 or S3, unless late evening or early morning.

    Screen normal on S2, Screen large on S3.

    Wifi off, and bluetooth off. I have been shooting in a few places where the S3 saw a iPhone or other phone via bluetooth and attempted a connection.

    My BH-25 is in route!!.

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    Re: Tethering with the Surface Pro 2: Enabling with the Phase IQ Series + Credo MFDBs

    Good point on the keyboard as I keep mine attached as well in transport taking it off when I set it up to tether. The added screen protection more than makes up for the added weight which isn't all that much...
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    Re: Tethering with the Surface Pro 2: Enabling with the Phase IQ Series + Credo MFDBs

    I use a dedicated tethering C1 Pro workspace which is really easy to use since I don't use the SP2 for processing except for the errant file to post. I basically clear as much as possible on C1 Pro to maximize screen real estate when shooting tethering. I use the digitized pen where possible, though I can use my fingers, the pen is more efficient. I adjust brightness as needed. I think one of the best tools which is rarely mentioned is the loupe tool. It is very fast to use and quickly magnify only areas that you wish to examine more critically, edge to edge, center or corners.

    I haven't seen anything that is both easily available, not too expensive, and viable as the RRS BH-25PF. Fingers-crossed on good news from both Don and Paul! If not, I'll see if KPS can offer a better answer without breaking the bank. Just love the CLITS clamp!

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    Thanks for the Replies !.

    I use a (different) surface pro 3 as full time work computer, so I have plenty of pens around. ( An SP-3 + OneNote pretty much runs my life in meetings. )

    I have a tiny Pen tethered to the WRS to use on the IQ touch screen when wearing gloves, so I think I might modify that to include a tethered Surface pen + IQ tip somehow. I have to have it on a leash or it goes missing in a second.

    Will play around with C1-pro some more, frankly I never use it so not that familiar. All my work, other than LCC's, has been done in Lightroom to-date. Guess I should learn.


    I agree on Keyboard, and with the UrbanArmour holder it can stay on. I'll either let it flop, or it can go back in the F-stop.


    Don: Right now I'm running with the on-leg variant, but I also have the Sunway clamp for the -on-clamp variant. Will see which one wins out in the end, but right now I'm leaning to On-leg.

    I recently took out the RRS Leveling plate on my RRS 24-tvcl and have attached the KPS head directly to the tripod, with a RRS-Pano plate on top of it. Seems to work well, and right now the Arca-Cube is staying home for the next trip. But because of that, I'd like it if the On-leg CLITS works. I felt the 'stack' on the tripod was getting a bit high. Started looking like, and acting like, a center column.

    One thing. I'm considering adding a 3rd Magnet to the Cheeseplate. Not totally comfortable with the 2 in the wind. Anyone else tried that ?

    Photo's to follow at some point, but right now it looks pretty much like Kens.

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    (PS: Ken, I blame you for the $750 bucks for the KPS Head ! That damn blog post produced an instant order, and relegation of the much-loved Arca-Cube to the shelf. VERY impressed with the KPS so far, and thank you for having them have a model which takes an RRS head directly)
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    It looks like you found an alternative to the Giottos Mini Ball Head, but in doing so, it looks like your variation places the SP a bit further away from the tripod---which might be why you want a third magnet on the cheeseplate? Adding a third magnet, you might be able to pick up your entire rig by the Surface Pro and walk around with it

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    The alternative is temporary. Just something that was in the lighting Draw on a full size Manfrotto Clamp.
    It is heavier (although Solid), and yes, even folded back like it is, it pushes it back too far, and makes it more awkward to get to the camera.

    Waiting to see what the verdict is on the BH25.

    I was thinking of the extra magnet even when It was on the Gittos. But likely being over cautious !


    Again, thanks to Ken and Don for all the hard work that has gone into refining this solution !.

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    I had thought I'd need 3-magnets to hold the weight of my SP3 in the UAG case but found 2 to be more than enough. Checking tracking I see that I should have the BH-25 late Tuesday afternoon.

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    After a bad start of the week (studio took a hit and I am now rebuilding 2-computers) I have good news...

    The RRS BH25 arrived a couple minutes ago. Based on observations it appears to be less than 1/2 inch taller and maybe out weights the other by ozs. Put everything together and I have success. The BH25 more than carries the weight and I can now move the SP3 up and down to fit my sight line something I couldn't do with the other.

    Okay back to the computers. Once I'm back up and running I'll share some photos.

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    That's great news! That means confirmation that the RRS BH-25PF mini ballhead is a direct replacement (upgrade) for the Giottos Pro Mini ballhead. I've included the link to the RRS BH-25PF on the shopping list on my blog. I'll upgrade my mini ballhead eventually.

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    The BH25PF works the way I had thought the Grottos Pro would. While it's slightly taller and weighs slightly more it's still a very small package. I inserted the adaptor (the same as with the Grottos) and then put on my QR plate; no problem using the cheese plate either as it's the same size stud as with the Grottos. The release lever on the 25 is very large which in my mind okay as it'll help with gloves. The draw back on the larger lever was I had to reposition my QR plate more to one side in order to fully use it which is still no problem.

    I'm still working on the computers today but need to take a break and will post a couple photos soon.


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    Currently running on battery power (yeah that's how my week has been going so far) I wanted to share the following photo comparing the 2-ball heads. The AAA battery on left and AA battery on right are for size comparison.
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    Just when you think that you're done, have you looked at the new BC-18? That looks like an even smaller compact head:

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    Just when you think that you're done, have you looked at the new BC-18? That looks like an even smaller compact head:

    BC-18 Micro Ball

    Damn that's small! But, will it carry the weight? The BH25 is larger but not too much larger and it feels like it could hold much more than the simple SP3. I'm also waiting for the release of SP4 to see if they offer a larger screen - if they do then I might be tempted to get it which in turn might require a larger head like the BH25. All this before my first cup of coffee....
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    I saw the RRS BC-18 micro ball head too. It would be a good option for those using the quick-release plate CLITS clamp option (no magnets) or if using a cheeseplate or similar small metal plate (holds the magnets) with compatible AS rail grooves machine along the side.

    I've got too much money spent in buying bits and pieces to see what works---and a lot of stuff that didn't work. I think I'm finally satisfied with the CLITS Clamp version III, with magnetic release---and attached on the leg. It has the best combination of small size, lightweight, speed and ease of use---and relatively inexpensive.

    Now maybe if we could get John Milich to engineer a smaller lighter cheeseplate that also has the AS quick release groove on the sides...then the clamping system would have more flexibility combinations. Think John can match the Amazon Prime price for the Smallrig cheeeseplate of $13.00?

    The RRS BH-25PF appears bigger (in Don Libby's photo above) than I thought it would be---but not so much to be a deal-killer. I think the more robust capacity of the RRS BH-25PF is a worthwhile investment and better choice over the Giottos mini ballhead, though I like the smaller compact size of the Giottos option.

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    This is my favorite thread. A veritable GAS convocation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    This is my favorite thread. A veritable GAS convocation.
    C'mon now, Steve.

    This is Dante's Forum. It's not "GAS." Everyone knows that we "invest" in our gear selectively, because it's a quality of life issue.



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    (so how's that IQ360 upgrade going for you? Have you tried tethering with the Surface Pro?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    I saw the RRS BC-18 micro ball head too. It would be a good option for those using the quick-release plate CLITS clamp option (no magnets) or if using a cheeseplate or similar small metal plate (holds the magnets) with compatible AS rail grooves machine along the side.

    I've got too much money spent in buying bits and pieces to see what works---and a lot of stuff that didn't work. I think I'm finally satisfied with the CLITS Clamp version III, with magnetic release---and attached on the leg. It has the best combination of small size, lightweight, speed and ease of use---and relatively inexpensive.

    Now maybe if we could get John Milich to engineer a smaller lighter cheeseplate that also has the AS quick release groove on the sides...then the clamping system would have more flexibility combinations. Think John can match the Amazon Prime price for the Smallrig cheeeseplate of $13.00?

    The RRS BH-25PF appears bigger (in Don Libby's photo above) than I thought it would be---but not so much to be a deal-killer. I think the more robust capacity of the RRS BH-25PF is a worthwhile investment and better choice over the Giottos mini ballhead, though I like the smaller compact size of the Giottos option.

    ken
    It's huge!!

    Just kidding. I should get mine today.

    The BC-18 is a good solution, but like Ken said about the current cheeseplates, not being Arca style, that makes a deal breaker. Now could I get my cheeseplate machined??? Again just kidding.

    Actually the entire magnetic solution is so simplistic I can't state enough how much I like it. The fact I can move the entire S2 or 3 down to a let out of the way (with the 2nd cheesplate) is priceless for me. With the Arca viewfinder you have to get in pretty close to the rm3di to get any type of view and being able to just take the entire PC off one mount and set it safely out of the way is great and really at not much additional weight. I also realized yesterday that the ball head (either one) gives you a lot more versatility up top also.

    Now if only the weather would get below a heat index of 105 around here!

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    The BH-25 is larger than the Giottos Pro Mini however not bymuch more than ˝ inch at the most. Itdoes weigh more however not by much. Itis beefier and will accommodate more weight.
    The photo which not the best shows the rear of the SP3.
    I was very reluctant on trying the magnetics however afterusing them several times I find they are the best solution.


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    Just weighed the BH-20 with the cheese plate, 2- magnets, and QR plate. 10.1 oz

    Also measured and weighed just the ball heads...

    The BH-25 measures 2.5 inches from the bottom to the base and weighs 5.2 oz which includes the reducer sleeve.

    The Giottos Mini measures 2 inches and weighs 2.5 oz with the reducer sleeve.

    1/2 inch taller, 1.7 oz more and more than capable of holding the SP3.

    Anything else?

    BTW I happen to have an extra cheese plate but check on Amazon first as they seem to be in stock...

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    Re: Tethering with the Surface Pro 2: Enabling with the Phase IQ Series + Credo MFDBs

    Thanks to Ken, Don, Paul and all who have contributed to this tethering thread, BUT the thread has for me become just too difficult to follow. Someone has introduced the "KPS head" into this discussion and there is even a photo which apparently shows one attached to a tripod leg. I have spent more than 30 minutes trying to find out about the KPS head and cannot find it in any of these posts (or by searching online for those terms); can someone please link to "the KPS head" and any discussions of it for those of us who cannot seem to keep up with these discussions. I would be very greatful...and thank you. cs750













    Quote Originally Posted by Marlyn View Post
    Thanks for the Replies !.

    I use a (different) surface pro 3 as full time work computer, so I have plenty of pens around. ( An SP-3 + OneNote pretty much runs my life in meetings. )

    I have a tiny Pen tethered to the WRS to use on the IQ touch screen when wearing gloves, so I think I might modify that to include a tethered Surface pen + IQ tip somehow. I have to have it on a leash or it goes missing in a second.

    Will play around with C1-pro some more, frankly I never use it so not that familiar. All my work, other than LCC's, has been done in Lightroom to-date. Guess I should learn.


    I agree on Keyboard, and with the UrbanArmour holder it can stay on. I'll either let it flop, or it can go back in the F-stop.


    Don: Right now I'm running with the on-leg variant, but I also have the Sunway clamp for the -on-clamp variant. Will see which one wins out in the end, but right now I'm leaning to On-leg.

    I recently took out the RRS Leveling plate on my RRS 24-tvcl and have attached the KPS head directly to the tripod, with a RRS-Pano plate on top of it. Seems to work well, and right now the Arca-Cube is staying home for the next trip. But because of that, I'd like it if the On-leg CLITS works. I felt the 'stack' on the tripod was getting a bit high. Started looking like, and acting like, a center column.

    One thing. I'm considering adding a 3rd Magnet to the Cheeseplate. Not totally comfortable with the 2 in the wind. Anyone else tried that ?

    Photo's to follow at some point, but right now it looks pretty much like Kens.

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    (PS: Ken, I blame you for the $750 bucks for the KPS Head ! That damn blog post produced an instant order, and relegation of the much-loved Arca-Cube to the shelf. VERY impressed with the KPS so far, and thank you for having them have a model which takes an RRS head directly)

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    Here you go - KPS Head:
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    Ok, here's your quick summary guide to get you up to speed--- Take a look at the following links:

    1. https://kendoophotography.wordpress....digital-backs/ This is the first blog post detailing the use of the Surface Pro with the IQ series/Credo USB3 enabled MFDBs. You'll find the first generation clamp here---the Arkon. As you've noted, the evolution of clamping options and SP upgrades has followed quickly.

    2. https://kendoophotography.wordpress....clamp-choices/ This is the most recent (follow-up) blog post which details the latest clamping options for tethering with the Surface Pro on location. The best so far is the Capture Location Integrated Tethering System Clamp, which actually has three versions to suit most tastes. All the bits and pieces are listed in "shopping list" fashion with links at the end of this blog article. As noted above, it seems that version 3 of the CLITS magnetic clamp is most popular, and for good reason. The most recent discussion simply swaps out the Giottos Pro Mini Ballhead for the RRS BH-25PF ballhead. The RRS BH-25PF is also found on the blog shopping list at the bottom.

    The threads here at GetDPI offer a host of great tips from users and enablers alike---such as being able to choose where your IQ MFDB saves files even when tethered (with the latest firmware).

    I hope that helps! You can also contact me if you have any questions.

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    p.s. The KPS T5 geared ballhead was reviewed on my blog, see, https://kendoophotography.wordpress....white-unicorn/ and also published here at GetDPI. This is simply a great geared ballhead (similar to the AS Cube) but not related to tethering with the Surface Pro.

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    Ken & Graham,
    Thanks for the assistance...I will pursue them. cs750



    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    Ok, here's your quick summary guide to get you up to speed--- Take a look at the following links:

    1. https://kendoophotography.wordpress....digital-backs/ This is the first blog post detailing the use of the Surface Pro with the IQ series/Credo USB3 enabled MFDBs. You'll find the first generation clamp here---the Arkon. As you've noted, the evolution of clamping options and SP upgrades has followed quickly.

    2. https://kendoophotography.wordpress....clamp-choices/ This is the most recent (follow-up) blog post which details the latest clamping options for tethering with the Surface Pro on location. The best so far is the Capture Location Integrated Tethering System Clamp, which actually has three versions to suit most tastes. All the bits and pieces are listed in "shopping list" fashion with links at the end of this blog article. As noted above, it seems that version 3 of the CLITS magnetic clamp is most popular, and for good reason. The most recent discussion simply swaps out the Giottos Pro Mini Ballhead for the RRS BH-25PF ballhead. The RRS BH-25PF is also found on the blog shopping list at the bottom.

    The threads here at GetDPI offer a host of great tips from users and enablers alike---such as being able to choose where your IQ MFDB saves files even when tethered (with the latest firmware).

    I hope that helps! You can also contact me if you have any questions.

    ken

    p.s. The KPS T5 geared ballhead was reviewed on my blog, see, https://kendoophotography.wordpress....white-unicorn/ and also published here at GetDPI. This is simply a great geared ballhead (similar to the AS Cube) but not related to tethering with the Surface Pro.

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    Speaking with Ken earlier this morning and since we’re intoour 7th page and closing in on 13,000 views I thought it wouldn’t bea bad idea to post one more image of a tethering setup (mine) and explain theanatomy of it. I hope this clears upany confusion that’s occurred along the way as we attempt to find the perfectsolution to tethering a Surface Pro.

    I understand a lot of people like the leg attachmentapproach; I tried it and didn’t. Thereason I choose to stick with the nodal rail is that by adding the panningclamp to the bottom I am now able to pan the entire system as a whole with theSP following the camera. This is usefulfor me if I want to reposition my camera without changing locations.

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    I count 14 maybe 15 knobs or levers below the cambo and maybe 14" between tripod head and lens
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