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    IQ 160 Vs Aptus II 10

    Starting a new thread on this so as not to pollute the other thread on tech cams.

    As those who frequent the forum know I'm looking to setup a complete system from scratch.

    I need a back of some sort. My intended priority is landscape and i want to stitch to get the classic 3:1 pano ratio.

    There is a great deal on the Aptus II 10 right now. Seems to be a bargain given its new not used and is not ex demo or similar. It's $10,995.00.

    Things i like about it are its brand new, the sensor size lends itself to pano's, the LCD is semi usable by all accounts and the LCD is biggish compared to the P series.

    Things i don't like are; FW 800, fan, battery out the bottom. The battery is no biggie though - can live with that no real issue - be better if it was inside but it is what it is.

    The FW800 is really putting me off though - the SP2 thread has me excited about the possibilities. However i will never be able to get in on the SP2 if i go with this back.

    I feel 56MP is plenty enough and even has advantages compared to the 80MP backs. At 11K for 56MP brand new i feel its a good way to get my feet wet in this whole scene and start on the long learning curve to get on top of this whole setup.

    The IQ 160 is a LOT more money so wont be buying one new if i go this way. It has a better LCD screen and most importantly it has USB 3.

    I know there are a slew of other improvements but as far as i can see its all usability.

    What i would like to know is how the image quality compares to the Aptus II 10 ?

    These are both 60MP class backs - i think the Aptus II 10 maybe one generation older then the IQ 160 but am wondering if these sensors are pretty much the same quality or if the IQ 160 is in another league?

    Thanks for any input. Loving this forum and its gang! Very friendly place. Great experiences shared freely - really enjoying my time here - thanks all!

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    Re: IQ 160 Vs Aptus II 10

    When the IQ series MFDBs were released, it was an "a-ha" moment not so much for its image quality as it was about usability. And it caused quite a clamor. I wouldn't discount usability in a MFDB.

    If the Aptus II 10 were an R with internally rotating sensor, that might give some pause, but for me, I'd still opt for an IQ series MFDB. You can expect slightly better image quality. Longer exposures compared to the Aptus---and this could be huge. Surface Pro 2 tethering capability aside, the IQ series adds Focus Mask, Sensor Plus, better screen, etc. These are big advantages to being able to use your MFDB when you simply can't tether.

    Imho, the usability factor alone is worth the initial investment in the IQ. It's possible to upgrade later, but I think this will cost more in the long run. Between the two MFDBs, I think the most photographic enjoyment will come from the IQ160.

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    Re: IQ 160 Vs Aptus II 10

    I love my Credo 60, which would be pretty close in handling to an IQ160.
    But if it came down to Aptus II 10 + HR32 or 'just' the IQ160 - just as an example, then I would go Aptus. At the end of the day file quality is just about the same between those backs, sure some differences but no biggies.
    If you are able to have it all, by all means, the IQ screen is miles ahead, but my preference would be to get the lenses and cam I need as a priority. You know, the best there is now that can outlast a few generations of sensor tech.
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    Re: IQ 160 Vs Aptus II 10

    If the 3:1 format interests you I'd probably go for the Aptus. Price is much better. With the IQ160 you get to pay many thousands of dollars for usability features that would cost a few hundreds in consumer electronics, and do you really need it?

    I feel that the more you use a camera the less you need usability features, as you develop skill to work with the system. If you're experienced at composing and focus images you can do fine with a simple screen. And the Aptus screen is not worst either, it can do 100% focus check, unlike say a P65+.

    Image quality I would not worry about, same sensor technology and Leaf was not too bad at using them either, but do look at raw files if you're worried.

    The weakest point of the Aptus I'd suspect is the risk to get a lemon, ie one that does not work reliably. Leaf will never admit that there is a problem with the series, but I've seen too many user reports and had repeated problems myself until I got a unit that worked solid - it should be said though that Leaf was there and solved the issue so they help you out if you would get problems, but having a good dealer is an advantage if you should get into trouble.

    You should ask Peter (Pemihan), he recently investigated Aptus 10 vs IQ160 and eventually went for the IQ160, haven't heard why though.

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    Re: IQ 160 Vs Aptus II 10

    I have used the Leaf, but as I recall it has doesn't have the 4:3 ratio, instead closer to the 3:2. I may be totally wrong on that. However it if does, and you prefer that 3:1 pano style (I do also), the sensor of the Leaf may be a bit better suited to horizontal (landscape) stitching.

    However:

    1. I would look at the Leaf Credo 60 or even the 40 which is priced very well currently. Or look at the possibility of a refurbished IQ160. I believe these are still available. The Credo has an excellent LCD very similar to the IQ LCD, however I believe the Credo screen is larger and has no buttons, it's all touch.

    2. USB3, I was a bit late to the dance on this, but after working with it for a few days, I can say, wow, it makes a huge difference. I had played with my P45+ tethered via Firewire, but the transfer speed seemed very slow and there always seemed to be some issue with connections. It took Phase One quite a while to get there, but they are, and it's a big difference. You have all types of options, mackbook, surface pro, other laptop, or a desktop, and maybe in the future, a iPad with a USB3 connection (who knows)

    3. LCD screen, if you are going to use a tech camera, wasn't sure from the title, then please consider the Credo or IQ160 option. The LCD makes using a tech camera a very usable process, especially if you have young eyes. The screen for me has become a glasses off view but that's still not a major issue. Either Credo or IQ will give you a view at 100% that will let you know for sure if the subject is in focus.

    4. The Credo 40, will allow you to use the less expensive Schneider's 35XL, 43XL and make larger stitches, before you hit the wall of smearing and saturation fall off. Depending on the tech camera you pick, there are always a good number of 35XL's on the used market. The 32 Rod is better for sure much better, but it's also 10K with the CF.

    5. The IQ will give focus mask, and sensor plus both of which can contribute to your overall photography toolkit.

    Either way, make sure you have picked a dealer that will work with you and one that you are comfortable with. Also consider the IQ value add warranty and the similar one offered on the Credo.

    Good luck on your decisions.

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    Re: IQ 160 Vs Aptus II 10

    I am using 10R & my friends are using Credo 40 , Credo 60 , Credo 80 , IQ160 , one of them switched back from Credo 60 to Aptus 10R .

    The images resolutions are similar between 60 & 10R but as my personal feeling that the color retention seems some better in 10R , definitely, the LCD display on Credo's are the winner.

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    Re: IQ 160 Vs Aptus II 10

    I've used Aptus II 10 and now am using a Credo 80 which is pretty much the same as IQ.
    I wasn't really planning to upgrade - I only did it after my equipment got stolen and the only way to get the full insurance credit, was to buy a Credo.
    I was very satisfied with the Aptus.

    There are a few differences:
    - Aptus has some color inaccuracies - in reproducing artwork I've had some trouble recreating certain shades. This doesn't happen in normal items from nature or industry - only in art. This is fixed in Credo/IQ. The Aptus colors were prettier though so the clients were happy in the cases they didn't notice discrepancies (99%).
    - Credo/IQ connects to PC much faster than Aptus, and even if there's a disconnection, it reconnects immediately so you don't even feel it. A pretty big improvement.
    - The Aptus FW connector is pretty good and not many problems with it, but you must have an Apple laptop to connect to it. PC laptops only with an express FW card which needs to be powered separately, can't be securely installed and moves around and disconnects, and is generally a nightmare. I installed Windows on an Apple laptop.
    - Credo/IQ requires battery always inside and charged to operate. If tethered with FW, then FW can constantly recharge the battery. If tethered with USB, then you MUST always be changing batteries on your Credo/IQ manually. Extremely annoying - that problem doesn't happen with Aptus - it doesn't need a battery to work tethered!
    - Credo/IQ gathers sensor dust very quickly - every few days. Aptus can works weeks and even months without cleaning.
    - Image quality difference is very slight and can be seen only under extreme circumstances.
    - Credo/IQ is 1/3 stop more sensitive to light under the same ISO setting.
    - Of course the screen and entire operation of the Credo/IQ is very superior - if that is a major aspect of your work, then you might want to think about it. I always work tethered so it means very little to me.
    - Credo/IQ don't work properly with bodies older than DF, so if you find yourself in a position where you need an urgent body replacement, with Aptus you can quickly find a $1000 spare 645AF. With Credo you would need to downgrade to the oldest firmware - I don't think there is any solution for IQ. Don't knock this point, as these bodies sometimes do fail, and the new ones are quite expensive.
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    Re: IQ 160 Vs Aptus II 10

    Shlomi,

    Brilliant feed back!

    This is the sort of hands on information i need to help decide.

    From what i have been able to understand is that (and as you mention) the quality between generations is almost negligible. Its there, but get out the microscope to see it. In real world application this does not matter to me.

    So it all comes down to useability features.

    Its a lot of cash being diverted to a higher series back just to be able to get USB3 and which be could be spent on lenses. My intended use would be mainly tethered (i think - no real world use to go by)

    It looks to me the real jump for some practical value would be to an IQ260 - to get long exposure capability - that's a real world very handy feature.

    My biggest concern is FW800 and being stranded some years down the track. I have never used FW anything (PC all the way here since 1984) so just not sure how big an issue using FW800 to tether is.

    FW800 does force me to the dark side (Mac) and i am not happy about that. Much much prefer the Surface Pro 2 thing to a Mac Book Pro Laptop.

    But gee... so many $$$$$$$$$ to be able to use a SP2 Vs an Mac book pro.

    Focus mask advantage is a non issue if shooting tethered.
    Horizon indicators are no big deal to me - use a little more care setting up - right?
    Sensor+ seems of little use to me right now (may change)

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    You can use a Macbook with Windows installed, and that is a solid solution - however you generally need to plug the Macbook to AC - it might be able to power the back off the laptop battery alone, but you can't count on it.

    You can also use SP with express card FW and connecting a power cord to the express card - that would work with Aptus.

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    Really Brilliant feed back from all members who have posted here . so many thanks !

    its both exciting and scary at the same time to be selecting my first Digital back!

    I am finding my wife is no use at all - she is fine with any option i take no matter the cost - so no objectivity there at all.

    I think the wisdom here is get the camera and lenses and whatever back does the job - learn to work around the limitations - because really.....this has all come so far since the 90's where i left off. I don't think any of these backs being discussed are a bad choice.

    The only bugbear is FW800 Vs USB3. I can leave every other "feature"


    What to do , what to do.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by young'ee View Post
    Really Brilliant feed back from all members who have posted here . so many thanks !

    its both exciting and scary at the same time to be selecting my first Digital back!

    I am finding my wife is no use at all - she is fine with any option i take no matter the cost - so no objectivity there at all.

    I think the wisdom here is get the camera and lenses and whatever back does the job - learn to work around the limitations - because really.....this has all come so far since the 90's where i left off. I don't think any of these backs being discussed are a bad choice.

    The only bugbear is FW800 Vs USB3. I can leave every other "feature"


    What to do , what to do.........
    I stretched my budget a tad to get the IQ160 and it was WELL worth it. I am actually glad I did not get anything less. The IQ screen is just superb and the whole IQ chassis is just solid and is really a simple and awesome industrial design. It feels really current. Kinda future proof. I am sure phase will continue to use it. The other backs feel really dated. The IQ160 never feels slow when checking 100% focus on screen or browsing through the images. Working with it is just so smooth so far, it's transparent, never gets in the way.

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    Re: IQ 160 Vs Aptus II 10

    It's always "best" to have the latest. But as it seems to me, for you it's going to be a very expensive USB3 port.

    Soon(ish) full-frame CMOS will arrive, hopefully tech cam friendly. Then the IQ160 will not seem as futureproof any longer. To me the MF seems to be in a dynamic technology switch phase right now, CMOS is coming, so I think it's a good time to go for something a little bit less recent and more value for money and wait and see what happens.

    I'm looking at getting an Aptus-II 10 myself though, so the fewer that buys it the better as it keeps prices down ;-). The strange and less popular 3.1:2 format makes the back cheaper than it otherwise would have been, so when you have a shooting style that fits the format it's really good value.

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    Could tethering to a tablet with FW400 work OK?

    I guess that would need a FW400 to FW 800 adapter

    So something like this ; DB FW800 out -> FW800 to FW400 adapter ->Tablet with FW400 input.

    Hmm, not sure. Anyone with Firewire knowledge chip in here please - does it have to be a FW400 6 pin port or is FW400 4 Pin plug OK on the tablet? As far as i know FW400 4 Pin is non powered and FW400 6 pin is powered?

    With the Aptus having its battery external, powering from the back itself should be ok with a fw400 4 pin connection?

    This would seem to be a better answer then using an express card setup with all its flaws.


    Questions... seems one question/answer leads to 3 more questions. Not easy this DB stuff !

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    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    It's always "best" to have the latest. But as it seems to me, for you it's going to be a very expensive USB3 port.

    Aint that the truth !!!

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    800 to 400 doesn't need an adapter - just buy the proper cable.

    4 pin FireWire will not work.

    The battery goes instead of the cable, so you can't use both at the same time.

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    right - so what you are saying is..... with the right cable,

    i can go from FW800 on the back to FW 400 input on the tablet if the FW400 connection on the tablet is a 6 pin ?

    So there is some sort of cable that has FW800 connection on one end and FW400 on the other end.

    Just want to make sure i get this right and not misunderstand anything.

    Why will FW400 4 pin port not work ? If the back is powered from its battery we dont need power to the back over the FW400 connection.

    I must not be understanding something about FW400 here

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    right - so what you are saying is..... with the right cable,
    i can go from FW800 on the back to FW 400 input on the tablet if the FW400 connection on the tablet is a 6 pin ?

    - Yes

    So there is some sort of cable that has FW800 connection on one end and FW400 on the other end.

    - This cable is for sale at all the dealers for about $120. In fact I have two on sale right now:
    New Mamiya Leaf Aptus 400 800 6 9 4 5M 15ft 1394 Firewire Cable | eBay
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/191064820265


    Why will FW400 4 pin port not work ? If the back is powered from its battery we don't need power to the back over the FW400 connection.

    - If the back is powered by the battery then there can't be a cable connected because the battery is blocking the connector.

    4 pin firewire is officially not supported and I've never seen it work. I suppose you could finagle getting power into the back through a fake battery connector, and run the FW though the empty part of that connector. That sounds harrowing - it might work but I would not try it.

    I don't think there is any tablet with a 6 or 9 pin connector.

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    I would also consider software support. I'm not that impressed by the committment of Phase One to support older backs. They do keep format support in newer versions of Capture One, but when I've heard about software bugs the answer has been that they don't put man hours into discontinued products, and you then you can only hope that the bug also affects other formats they care more about.

    Worringly often I hear Phase One officials refer to the discontinued "Leaf Capture" software to work around problems.

    I only mention this as a risk to be aware of, I don't consider it as a show stopper. I do myself not use C1 very much but other alternatives and the .mos format has good support in alternatives, and you can make DNG files of them of course. Tethering however I guess is limited to very few programs. If I would be dependent on tethering in Capture One and have that as only alternative, I'd be a little bit worried. Directions in software products can change fast. Being dependent on some odd hardware adapter or laptop product for FW could be an issue too. The back could work for 10 years without problems, but in 10 years much can happen with firewire and various software programs.

    If you work professionally I'd recommend to go for the latest and have a budget that fits keeping with the latest. It does seem that to get the best support you need to have the latest gear. If you use a bit older gear you have to be prepared to do workarounds at times, but forums like this is very good for finding information for that. I'm an amateur on a budget myself and using old gear and "being on my own" I see as a part of the deal.

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    Re: IQ 160 Vs Aptus II 10

    There are cables that are FW800 on one end and FW400 (older style non square plug).

    You are running at the slower FW400 speed.

    Belkin FireWire 800/400 9-Pin/6-Pin Cable (2 m/6.6 ft.) - Apple Store (U.S.)

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    Re: IQ 160 Vs Aptus II 10

    After much searching.......


    Sahara Slate PC i550 Tablet PC by TabletKiosk

    Seems this would work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by young'ee View Post
    After much searching.......


    Sahara Slate PC i550 Tablet PC by TabletKiosk

    Seems this would work.
    You just blew my mind.
    It should work if it is connected to mains.
    based only on the tablet battery is a gamble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    You are running at the slower FW400 speed.
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    So the only caveat to do this (if it does indeed work) is slower transfer speeds? Slower overall response time from the back?

    I am really trying to hang onto the Aptus II 10 here - i like the sensor size very much and the NEW price to clear the last of them out does not hurt either.

    If not, then its a jump up to IQ`160 - no idea what they cost used. I am guessing high teens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by young'ee View Post
    So the only caveat to do this (if it does indeed work) is slower transfer speeds? Slower overall response time from the back?

    I am really trying to hang onto the Aptus II 10 here - i like the sensor size very much and the NEW price to clear the last of them out does not hurt either.

    If not, then its a jump up to IQ`160 - no idea what they cost used. I am guessing high teens?

    When I used the II 10, I preferred to connect to laptop via 6 pin because the connector is much more stable than the 9 pin. I didn't feel any change in speed. Of course the poster is correct and the speed is 400 - I am saying to me it was not noticeable.

    I saw IQ180 going for $22000, so I believe you could find IQ160 for $16000.
    Still buying new is nice and if it comes with 3 years warranty it's worth about $1000 per year.

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    Apart from MACBOOK which i am trying to avoid, which laptop has 6 pin FW port?

    The tablet i posted seems to be the ticket

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    Quote Originally Posted by young'ee View Post
    Apart from MACBOOK which i am trying to avoid, which laptop has 6 pin FW port?

    The tablet i posted seems to be the ticket
    Last time I looked was about 6 years ago and all the Windows laptops had 4 pin firewire or none. There were some 6 pin models 10-12 years ago. What is the problem with a Macbook running Windows? You can tape over the logo if it pisses you off that much. You can find very cheap used macbooks with both 6 and 9 pin connectors which is very useful to the Aptus. Their screen are very good too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    If you work professionally I'd recommend to go for the latest and have a budget that fits keeping with the latest. It does seem that to get the best support you need to have the latest gear. If you use a bit older gear you have to be prepared to do workarounds at times, but forums like this is very good for finding information for that. I'm an amateur on a budget myself and using old gear and "being on my own" I see as a part of the deal.
    No its not for professional work - i am in the same boat as you - this is strictly for kicks (fun)

    But i agree - this is my main concern - as thigns move forward over the next few years a back built on FW800 interface could well get left behind.

    Note to Leaf - this is old tech now - drop the price some more

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    [SOLD] Clevo x7200 - 675

    - this one is sold, but there are others for sale.

    Another one:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clevo-X7200-...-/130910102227

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    Quote Originally Posted by shlomi View Post
    What is the problem with a Macbook running Windows? You can tape over the logo if it pisses you off that much. You can find very cheap used macbooks with both 6 and 9 pin connectors which is very useful to the Aptus. Their screen are very good too.

    No its not about being pissed off with Apple (whole other discussion i guess - Apple HAS abandoned its creatives it seems - some very unhappy campers out there who use APPLE)

    Its that the OS is confusing - its a difficult confusing interface - its very weird compared to Windows OS interface.

    In my day job i am suffering from "dash board" over load - so many interfaces to remember on so much equipment - wojuld prefer to avoid learning another OS if i can - its not a big issue but prefer to avoid it if i can - part of what makes the SP2 so attractive - its windows OS.

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    But I told you a few times Macbook running Windows!?
    You can install Windows on any Macbook.

    You seem to misunderstand - running Windows means there is no Mac OS that you see at all, only Windows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shlomi View Post
    You seem to misunderstand - running Windows means there is no Mac OS that you see at all, only Windows.

    Ahhh yes of course !! Parallels ! DUH

    Thanks Shlomi

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    Quote Originally Posted by young'ee View Post
    Ahhh yes of course !! Parallels ! DUH

    Thanks Shlomi
    You bring it once to an Apple tech with a Windows 7 64 bit installation disc, and you never have to see any of Steve's screens again.

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    The American users here are thinking right now we're out of our minds - they love that Mac OS.
    But I agree with you - my brain real estate is very crowded. I've tried to work with Mac OS for a few years only on the camera laptop - while it was possible it was certainly not pleasurable. Once I've installed Windows, it was like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shlomi View Post
    The American users here are thinking right now we're out of our minds - they love that Mac OS.
    But I agree with you - my brain real estate is very crowded. I've tried to work with Mac OS for a few years only on the camera laptop - while it was possible it was certainly not pleasurable. Once I've installed Windows it was like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders.
    That's it ! I've never liked the MAC OS interface - just does not "Click" with me.

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    You saw there is a new Clevo - whatever that is - running windows and with 9 pin FW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shlomi View Post
    You saw there is a new Clevo - whatever that is - running windows and with 9 pin FW.

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    At least i wont have to worry about wild life sneaking up behind me while lugging that thing around - it must be loud , hot and heavy - not ideal for this mission - i dont think we can beat the tablet idea for what this is about

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    This is an interesting concept......

    Features - Penabled Mac Tablet Computer | Modbook Pro

    Gives a tablet form with FW800 on-board and its real FW800 not a 3rd party implementation. Interesting.

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    Modbook looks sweet. Specs once customized are *wow* as is the price. But also weighs over five pounds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    I would also consider software support. I'm not that impressed by the committment of Phase One to support older backs. They do keep format support in newer versions of Capture One, but when I've heard about software bugs the answer has been that they don't put man hours into discontinued products, and you then you can only hope that the bug also affects other formats they care more about.

    Worringly often I hear Phase One officials refer to the discontinued "Leaf Capture" software to work around problems.

    I only mention this as a risk to be aware of, I don't consider it as a show stopper. I do myself not use C1 very much but other alternatives and the .mos format has good support in alternatives, and you can make DNG files of them of course. Tethering however I guess is limited to very few programs. If I would be dependent on tethering in Capture One and have that as only alternative, I'd be a little bit worried. Directions in software products can change fast. Being dependent on some odd hardware adapter or laptop product for FW could be an issue too. The back could work for 10 years without problems, but in 10 years much can happen with firewire and various software programs.

    If you work professionally I'd recommend to go for the latest and have a budget that fits keeping with the latest. It does seem that to get the best support you need to have the latest gear. If you use a bit older gear you have to be prepared to do workarounds at times, but forums like this is very good for finding information for that. I'm an amateur on a budget myself and using old gear and "being on my own" I see as a part of the deal.
    Phase as a company does what it feels like and gives no excuses - you don't have to convince me.
    However, IMO there is very low probability of dropping support for Aptus II in C1 in the foreseeable future.
    Aptus II are still being sold right now.
    The legacy backs - Valeo and earlier - that were dropped from support, were from the very early stages of that industry, but the Aptus II are already mature products in wide use. So far even Aptus I is still supported and I think it has safely 5 years and probably more.

    What is more worth worrying over are the spare parts, which could become hard for the company to find. They keep stocks of the old parts and circuits, but those run out eventually and then they will either become very expensive or not available at all. That depends largely on demand. I think in five years Aptus I will not very widely used anymore and consequently hardware support may be dropped. For Aptus II I see more time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    There are cables that are FW800 on one end and FW400 (older style non square plug).

    You are running at the slower FW400 speed.

    Belkin FireWire 800/400 9-Pin/6-Pin Cable (2 m/6.6 ft.) - Apple Store (U.S.)

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    This cable will not work on Aptus, as the plastic head of the connector is too wide.
    At least that's how it looks to me from the picture.
    I was able to adapt large head cables but those were with rubber heads that I could file, not hard plastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by young'ee View Post
    Apart from MACBOOK which i am trying to avoid, which laptop has 6 pin FW port?
    You could use a pc card to firewire adapter. These have 6 or 9 pins FW ports. I include a picture below.

    As you have read, you'll find cables (and adapters) from 6 pins to 9 pins. But the connection will still run at 400 mbps, half the max speed. And it will require that the back is compatible with the slower speed (which I suppose it is, but not all devices are and the connectors are slightly different).

    As to power, you could use a powered hub and an external battery. Or even hack a cable to connect an external battery.

    Generic firewire cables are usually pretty cheap and still reliable.


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    Generic cables won't ft it into the Aptus connector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shlomi View Post
    Generic cables won't ft it into the Aptus connector.
    The Aptus does not use a standard connection? I did not know that. Still, I suppose that the back is delivered with a FW800 to FW800 cable and, instead of buying a FW400 to FW800 cable with the Aptus connector, one could get an adapter from FW800 to FW400 and use the Aptus cable...

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    Aptus works only with original Aptus cables, or other cables that were modified for it.
    The provided cables are 400-400, 400-800, 800-400 and 800-800, suitable for Atpus I (400) and II (800), and both types of computer connectors. There are four types of cables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerome_m View Post
    The Aptus does not use a standard connection? I did not know that. Still, I suppose that the back is delivered with a FW800 to FW800 cable and, instead of buying a FW400 to FW800 cable with the Aptus connector, one could get an adapter from FW800 to FW400 and use the Aptus cable...

    The firewire interface port for the Aptus/Aptus-II is slightly slimmer than ports from say, a Phase One P+ digital back (and deeper).

    Instead of an adapter, you could swap out the 800 to 800 cable with an 800 to 400 from a friendly dealer. If someone is buying an Aptus/Aptus-II from Capture Integration, I have no problem swapping out the 800-800 for a (Leaf) 800-400. We stock them.


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    I don't mean dropping support dead, but more fine functionality like all tethering details or swiftly taking care of more or less severe rendering bugs that may appear. I would not expect to receive same support as for the most recent system. In terms of format support perpetual high quality support is the only acceptable, and/or release format spec public. Photographers have files in their archives. I'm actually going to ask if I can get the spec now when the mos format is no longer used in current products. I've reverse engineered dead Kodak formats and would like to have an easier job with mos.

    Quote Originally Posted by shlomi View Post
    Phase as a company does what it feels like and gives no excuses - you don't have to convince me.
    However, IMO there is very low probability of dropping support for Aptus II in C1 in the foreseeable future.
    Aptus II are still being sold right now.
    The legacy backs - Valeo and earlier - that were dropped from support, were from the very early stages of that industry, but the Aptus II are already mature products in wide use. So far even Aptus I is still supported and I think it has safely 5 years and probably more.

    What is more worth worrying over are the spare parts, which could become hard for the company to find. They keep stocks of the old parts and circuits, but those run out eventually and then they will either become very expensive or not available at all. That depends largely on demand. I think in five years Aptus I will not very widely used anymore and consequently hardware support may be dropped. For Aptus II I see more time.

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