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    New H5D -50c

    Thanks to Steve H and the good folks at CI, I now have my H5D-50c. After a couple of days of shooting, I posted links to these images on a Hassey board, but thought they might be of interest to somebody here.

    Here are a few without any adjustments at all, straight out of LR5. All were shot with the H5D-50c and HC100. The file names identifies the camera settings (e.g., the first was shot in the sun at ISO 100, f/7.1, at 1/800th.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...7one_800th.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/..._f14_750th.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f5_400th.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...7one_750th.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...five_800th.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/..._f20_640th.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/..._f14_640th.jpg

    This last one I'm going to re-shoot with side by side with my H4D-60 before I send it off to Atlanta (trade for the H5D-50c). I have been trying to shoot this sculpture, The Pedlar, at the Hirshhorn for years. It is my sense that I've never been able to get it so cleanly before, and able to get the entire range of tonalities from highlights to shadows. That's my impression, anyway. It was shot in morning light at ISO 1600 (forgot to reset it from last night), cropped with some tweaks in LR5, HC50II.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/..._f16_750th.jpg

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    Thank you for the post. I would say that the level of noise at 3200 on these pictures is comparable to the level of noise at 1600 on the 31 or 40 mpix sensor (i.e. the sensors with micro-lenses). The colours are also a bit different to what I am used to.

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Quote Originally Posted by TimothyHyde View Post
    Thanks to Steve H and the good folks at CI, I now have my H5D-50c.
    Awesome! Very interested to learn more as you get to grips with the new camera. Am weighing the pros and cons - slight concern the color may be different to the wonderful CCD output so keen to hear your thoughts? Is True Focus II noticeably better than TF 1? (Which I find remarkable).

    Thanks!
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    Re: New H5D -50c

    I've been asked for some comparisons between the H4D-60 and the H5D-50c. These first three pairs were shot at ISO 100 (which is base ISO for the H5D-50c; base for the H4D-60 is ISO50). All were shot within a minute of each other, and from the same stationary tripod. These are all straight out of LR5 with no corrections or sharpening.

    With the HC 100
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f11_45th.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f11_40th.jpg

    With HC 50 II
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...00_f8_15th.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...00_f8_15th.jpg

    With HC 50 II
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f8_125th.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f8_125th.jpg

    When I first used the new camera I had the impression that the colors were hotter--a little more saturated and vibrant--than my older rig, but this isn't evident when you compare them side by side at ISO100. The H4D-60 exposes 2/3 of a stop higher than the H5D-50c across all settings, but this is probably due to normal camera variation. I'll be damned if I can tell any difference in resolution or sharpness between these two cameras. The major differences are, of course, the crop factor and the ability of the H5D-50c to sing at higher ISOs.

    If anyone is interested, I'll continue to posts comparisons, next at higher ISO and faces.
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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Personally, I'd like to see more.

    From these samples, the first ones in each comparison seems to show a bit more detail and separation of subtile tones and color. Maybe due to the slight exposure difference? Or, assuming the 1st images were from the 60, is it due to a larger sensor and a bit more resolution?

    However, the 50 looks promising given that it expands the ISO possibilities.

    That new 50-II certainly is a great lens, I loved mine hate to see it get cropped.

    Either way, terrific tools to work with!

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Thanks for posting these Tim,I've only looked at the HC50ii shots so far but the 60 seems to pack more resolution,perhaps the focus is slightly off on the cmos shot?

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Here are two more pairs with the HC100. The first set was handheld. Interesting, even though the H4D-60 was 180th (as compared to 160th with the CMOS) it ran out of room with the highlights. Again, the 60 is at least 2/3 of a stop brighter than the 50.

    Also interesting, I'm shooting Daylight WB. With the H4D-60, that converts to 5700 and 12 (temp and tint). With the H5D-50c it is 5900 and 26.

    Manual:
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f8_180th.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f8_160th.jpg

    Aperture:
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f11_50th.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f11_40th.jpg

    None of these shots have been in exactly controlled setups, so they should be considered fairly preliminary and taken with a couple of grains of salt.

    Finally, I'll shoot some deep shadows and low light conditions for comparisons.

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Quote Originally Posted by TimothyHyde View Post
    Here are two more pairs with the HC100. The first set was handheld. Interesting, even though the H4D-60 was 180th (as compared to 160th with the CMOS) it ran out of room with the highlights. Again, the 60 is at least 2/3 of a stop brighter than the 50.

    Also interesting, I'm shooting Daylight WB. With the H4D-60, that converts to 5700 and 12 (temp and tint). With the H5D-50c it is 5900 and 26.

    Manual:
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f8_180th.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f8_160th.jpg

    Aperture:
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f11_50th.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f11_40th.jpg

    None of these shots have been in exactly controlled setups, so they should be considered fairly preliminary and taken with a couple of grains of salt.

    Finally, I'll shoot some deep shadows and low light conditions for comparisons.
    Thanks, I was waiting for people shoots. If you could make a pair with a colored person it will be great (The Hasselbads are renown for that application).

    What about your experience shooting? it's there any difference you can persive or it's just a H5D-50 with a cropped cmos sensor ?

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Thanks for posting these really interesting comparisons.

    Looked at all your examples and I preferred the look and colour of the 60 on every shot. The really difficult decision however would be do I prefer it enough over having the massive advantage of shooting much higher ISO's on the 50c???

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Thanks for sharing!
    In the first set of comparisons, it seems like the 50c shots are slightly out of focus? I think Rob mentioned this above too? Certainly, the subsequent samples you posted suggest that detail is not at all lacking. When reviewing those, it seems to me that the main difference between the two is more dynamic range from the 50c and a very slight, and I mean very slight, difference in colour rendition.

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    I'm not looking at these on a calibrated monitor (yet), so can't be confident saying definitive about the color. I do sense that I'm getting more dynamic range with the H5D-50c, though it could be a function some of highlights blowing on the 60 when attempting to match the pair.

    Looking at the first set of images again, I think at least some of the softness is operator error. ugh. Generally, during the week I've been shooting it, I'm pretty happy with the resolution of the H5D-50c.

    Gazwas, I'm getting ready to test side by side at higher ISOs, but I'm guessing it will not be a "massive" difference. I sense it's about two stops, maybe three in some circumstances, or only one in others. That is enough for what I want to accomplish in low light with the camera, I think, and also allowing me to handhold in certain critical circumstances.

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Likewise, thanks Tim - really appreciate seeing these files.

    I sense a little more vibrancy from the CMOS, but that may also be a factor of the slight exposure variations noted. To date the "Natural Color" of the H-series CCD sensors has been (IMO) remarkable - so my interest is in seeing how this plays out on CMOS. Chances are very little in it so I should not over think it, but nevertheless interesting!

    Also useful to see the crop effect. Thanks!
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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Tim,

    Regarding images with the exif data left intact:

    The exposure variance may be directly attributable to the fact that with all sets of comparisons the 60 camera is set to spot metering and the 50 camera is set to center-weighted average.

    When I work with Hasselblads, my tendency was to shoot center-weighted for most general shots unless in adverse lighting conditions requiring spot.

    It would be interesting to see higher ISO shots from the 50 in more adverse lighting most CMOS cameras can do higher ISOs in decent lighting.

    The H4D/40 I had was pretty good at 1600 with that Kodak sensor.

    I prefer the 60 shots in most cases here, but only you know what you're after and how you shoot. The 60 back is pretty formidable when set to ISO 50 in studio scenarios, and very good at 400 but if you are more into hand-held, lower available light work, the 50 may be just the ticket plus you get an H5 camera!

    Good luck!

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    That's a little embarrassing. Somewhere along the line I must have accidentally changed the metering from center to spot. Thanks for your eagle eye, Marc. I would have not thought of checking that.

    Okay. I'm not sure how instructive this will be. Even without metering disparity, it is difficult to compare the two cameras in rapidly-dying light. I decided to use a grey card to remove the WB variable, and just compare the two at higher relative ISOs. It produces pretty ugly colors, as a result, but it allows some comparison. I tried to control here by histogram rather than use identical exposures settings because the sensors really behave differently in low light. Obviously this comparison in particular would be better in a studio, in controlled lighting.

    I wanted to compare the cameras with deep shadows, and with strobes, but I'm running out of time. Brother Hendrix is going to be asking for the H4D-60 (which I traded in) to be shipped before he has to invoice me for both of them. I wish I could afford them both, as I really like the H4D-60.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...00_f4_4sec.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...00_f4_2sec.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...00_f4_1sec.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f4_.6sec.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f4_.4sec.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...200_f4_5th.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...00_f4_10th.jpg

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Perhaps it's not the object of the test and sorry for pointing it out, but as with your first samples, it seems the 50c is snowing some pretty dramatic front focus here?

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Quote Originally Posted by TimothyHyde View Post
    That's a little embarrassing. Somewhere along the line I must have accidentally changed the metering from center to spot. Thanks for your eagle eye, Marc. I would have not thought of checking that.

    Okay. I'm not sure how instructive this will be. Even without metering disparity, it is difficult to compare the two cameras in rapidly-dying light. I decided to use a grey card to remove the WB variable, and just compare the two at higher relative ISOs. It produces pretty ugly colors, as a result, but it allows some comparison. I tried to control here by histogram rather than use identical exposures settings because the sensors really behave differently in low light. Obviously this comparison in particular would be better in a studio, in controlled lighting.

    I wanted to compare the cameras with deep shadows, and with strobes, but I'm running out of time. Brother Hendrix is going to be asking for the H4D-60 (which I traded in) to be shipped before he has to invoice me for both of them. I wish I could afford them both, as I really like the H4D-60.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...00_f4_4sec.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...00_f4_2sec.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...00_f4_1sec.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f4_.6sec.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...0_f4_.4sec.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...200_f4_5th.jpg
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...00_f4_10th.jpg
    No problem Tim, testing stuff is never easy.

    I took the above ISO 400 shots from both cameras, layered the 50 over the 60 version, lined up the trash cans then zoomed in to 50% and clicked the H5D50c layer on and of in the layer dialog box to compare.

    If you were relatively consistent with your focus point on the subject, then the 50c is front focusing pretty badly which is extremely rare with a Hasselblad H that has been calibrated at the factory. Since it seemed to have done that with more than one lens, and the 60 seems on the money, then it has to be the 50c camera.

    I urge you to do the same layered comparison, then maybe do a tripod test in studio to be sure.

    That aside, the ISO 3200 and 6400 images are pretty good. A slight density adjustment and ever so slight saturation tweak brings back the color seen in the lower ISO files.

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Could this be due to a badly calibrated camera, in terms of sensor to flange distance? Pretty rare for Hasselblad, although not unheard of.

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Don't apologize for pointing out focus errors; whether mine or the camera's, I need to know. I see the front focusing pretty clearly on the H5D-50c shots, now that you point it out and I'm actually looking at the last set of images rather than rushing to post them. I set the focus once in the near darkness with each camera, raised the mirror, used a release cable, and changed the exposure/ISO settings but never re-adjusted the focus. (I use the AE-L button on both cameras for AF single drive). I suspect either I simply missed the focus (my guess) or have some setting wrong. Given that I've only had the camera a few days, and the steps it went through before I got it, it seems likely that it's me and not a faulty camera. I'll sort that out tomorrow. Either way, thanks for the extra effort Marc and TJV.

    All that aside, I think I can get a couple more stops with the H5D-50c, which is why I'm giving up my beloved H4D-60.

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Thanks a lot for publishing these tests. When you have the time, could you redo the low iso colour tests with matched exposure, please?

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Quote Originally Posted by TimothyHyde View Post
    All that aside, I think I can get a couple more stops with the H5D-50c, which is why I'm giving up my beloved H4D-60.
    You should get at least one stop more with the 50c over the 60, since it uses micro-lenses and the 60 does not. But may I suggest you try to play with the noise reduction function in Phocus before you give up on the 60? In my experience, it works very well and should improve your iso800 samples considerably.

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    If I weren't a tech cam shooter and didn't have a preference for larger chips – as opposed to pure resolution, where 50mp vs. 60mp is almost irrelevant – I'd be all over this CMOS chip, be it in Hasselblad or Phase. It'd be a tough choice because I loath the DF+ camera but would appreciate live view and the better screen of the IQ. On the other hand I really like the H camera and system, just not the LCD screen. The software side of things wouldn't bother me, as I get on well with both C1 and Phocus / Lightroom.

    I really envy your position as, in reality, I'd absolutely be happy owning either of these kits.

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    ...I'd be all over this CMOS chip, be it in Hasselblad or Phase. It'd be a tough choice because I loath the DF+ camera but would appreciate live view and the better screen of the IQ...
    Not sure if it helps or not, but Hasselblad's "True Focus" is IMO magic. For example, on my last portrait shoot on Friday, I took 78 fames and every single one has a razor sharp eye as desired. For me TF is easy, simple, and proven.

    It's always surprised me that Hasselblad don't make more of this clever feature. Having said that, I don't know how easy or hard a P1 camera is to focus, but I do see TF as a unique feature of the Hasselblad's.

    Sorry, getting a bit off topic there
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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Quote Originally Posted by TimothyHyde View Post
    Don't apologize for pointing out focus errors; whether mine or the camera's, I need to know. I see the front focusing pretty clearly on the H5D-50c shots, now that you point it out and I'm actually looking at the last set of images rather than rushing to post them. I set the focus once in the near darkness with each camera, raised the mirror, used a release cable, and changed the exposure/ISO settings but never re-adjusted the focus. (I use the AE-L button on both cameras for AF single drive). I suspect either I simply missed the focus (my guess) or have some setting wrong. Given that I've only had the camera a few days, and the steps it went through before I got it, it seems likely that it's me and not a faulty camera. I'll sort that out tomorrow. Either way, thanks for the extra effort Marc and TJV.

    All that aside, I think I can get a couple more stops with the H5D-50c, which is why I'm giving up my beloved H4D-60.
    Yes Tim, irrespective of choosing the new 50c to better fit your shooting needs and style, I would concentrate on making sure that body is focusing correctly before ending up with no camera to work with at all,.

    That it seemed off so many times in different shots, where the 60 was in focus all the time, makes me suspect it wasn't you. Only a very controlled test will sort that out now.

    I used to run a H4D/40 and H4D/60 side-by-side because each had their own strengths. I replaced the 40 with a Leica S2-P and used the 60 until a year ago or so when I decided to retire rather than go on for another few years. Just prior to that I seriously considered moving to the H5D/200 MS. Had this camera come out back then, and I saw that it did ISO 1600 and 3200 so well, I would have seriously considered it as a companion to the 200MS, then jettisoned most of my 35mm DSLR stuff, and probably wouldn't have bought into the Sony A7R system.

    I like the H system a lot, and True Focus is something I dearly miss to this day. Nothing like it even in the 35mm DSLR world.

    All the best in your quest, and looking forward to something other than test shots from you and your new 50c!

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Hi Timothy, thanks od Your notes and the private messages You wrote finally I get the H5D-50C...
    Everything looks ok... at the moment I've Just made a little workshop on provence for the lavender blooming season and some boring test shots...
    here's one ...

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/rc2v2re5cu...ISO%20TEST.zip

    Have nice weekend, Best Regards !
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    Quote Originally Posted by modator View Post
    Hi Timothy, thanks od Your notes and the private messages You wrote finally I get the H5D-50C...
    Everything looks ok... at the moment I've Just made a little workshop on provence for the lavender blooming season and some boring test shots...
    here's one ...

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/rc2v2re5cu...ISO%20TEST.zip

    Have nice weekend, Best Regards !
    Very informative test, thanks Modator!
    The color checker sequence with the black lenses and deep shadow area are a revelation.
    I had some time with the camera (50c) but had no idea I could shoot a clean 1600 or 3200 ISO file. I wish I had more time.
    Looks like a wonderful tool the H5D 50c, enjoy it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giorgio View Post
    Very informative test, thanks Modator!
    The color checker sequence with the black lenses and deep shadow area are a revelation.
    I had some time with the camera (50c) but had no idea I could shoot a clean 1600 or 3200 ISO file. I wish I had more time.
    Looks like a wonderful tool the H5D 50c, enjoy it!
    Thanks I'm happy to know the images are interesting !
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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Thanks for the files Timothy and Modator. One of the things that I really like about my H4D/40 is the long exposure w/o dark frame aspect and I frequently shoot >30 second exposures with it. I find the 256 max exposure time of the H4D/40 limiting and am intrigued by the 12 min max exposure time of the 50c, however I haven't seen any examples yet. Have either of you done any long exposures with the camera and if so, what are your thoughts? Would it be possible for either of you to try out some long exposures and post the files for us to play around with? Maybe like a 1, 2, 4, 8, 12 min at ISO 100? Regardless, hope you two are enjoying the camera!
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    Re: New H5D -50c

    I will test some longer exposures this weekend, Todd. In the meantime, here is a flattened psd of a 6 minute photo I shot on a moonless night with the HC100. F/14, 1600 ISO. At night, even with the focus-assist light, focusing is the most challenging part of the process. I carry a strong flashlight to help the process.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...4-B0000448.psd

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimothyHyde View Post
    I will test some longer exposures this weekend, Todd. In the meantime, here is a flattened psd of a 6 minute photo I shot on a moonless night with the HC100. F/14, 1600 ISO. At night, even with the focus-assist light, focusing is the most challenging part of the process. I carry a strong flashlight to help the process.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...4-B0000448.psd
    Timothy, to me for a 6 minute shot at iso 1600 is a very good result... finally the image have only slight more noise than a 1600 shot at 1 second.... the image is perfectly usable and the colors are very good too.
    Nice test, thanks, in next few days i will try to do some night shot.. at the moment there is fool moon here..

    Domenico.

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    Today I've made other test too.. especially to find color differences... about the dispute of better ccd or cmos color rendition....
    I have to admit that the image is a little greenish because i was in a field and over me the sunlight is partially direct and shadowed from the leaf....
    In this field full of daisy and other herbs there are some Bee's boxes with different colors..

    Here's the link: (it's a fff Hasselblad file... to see it You must download Phocus that's free upon registration on Hasselbladusa.com)

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/20p5chtsya...i_0007.fff.zip

    This time I choose to share the raw file instead of a jpg to have more faithful colors as possible.

    Comments are welcome... Have a nice day ! Domenico.

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Quote Originally Posted by TimothyHyde View Post
    I have been trying to shoot this sculpture, The Pedlar, at the Hirshhorn for years. It is my sense that I've never been able to get it so cleanly before, and able to get the entire range of tonalities from highlights to shadows. That's my impression, anyway. It was shot in morning light at ISO 1600 (forgot to reset it from last night), cropped with some tweaks in LR5, HC50II.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/..._f16_750th.jpg
    It's a shame the security at the Hirshhorn won't allow tripods to be used on the museum grounds. The guards that I've asked don't even know why..it's just what they've been told.

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    Thanks very much guys!

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Today I've made a long exposure comparative test between 1s exposure and 12 minutes exposure both at ISO 100.
    The 12 minute exposure is made using a Lee Big Stopper filter so 1second became 16minute, then I've made a little exposure boost & white balance in phocus.

    One interesting thing it's the battery charge drain, each 12min exposure reduces the battery charge of around 10% , this permits around 10 images or 2 hours of capture ! that's interesting for star trail photo or else...

    The Lee Big Stopper filter also absorbs a little portion of red colors and improves the blues, that's why the 12min is a little more cold, the slight illumination difference is due because the photos are made with natural light during a cloudy & windy day.

    The temperature of the Digital Back is surprising me... instead of becoming hot it stays very close to the ambient temperature that here is around 27 Celsius.

    Here's the link of the cropped Jpg's :

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/kji7k5p5rd...ure%20comp.zip

    Best regards, and have nice holidays !

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    Thanks for the post Domenico! That is exactly what I wanted to see. With a quick glance it looks like the 12 min exposure holds up pretty well. Cheers,
    Todd

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcdeveau View Post
    Thanks for the post Domenico! That is exactly what I wanted to see. With a quick glance it looks like the 12 min exposure holds up pretty well. Cheers,
    Todd
    Yes, impressive. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregMO View Post
    It's a shame the security at the Hirshhorn won't allow tripods to be used on the museum grounds. The guards that I've asked don't even know why..it's just what they've been told.
    [hijack]If the shot is important to you, maybe rent a gyro for a day. The guards may object to the noise, but would most likely allow you to use it.[/hijack]

    Edit: I should have quoted Timothy.

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    I'd like to see more.wait for updating..
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    Re: New H5D -50c

    This sunday I've made few test shots on the field, at ISO 800 in the shadows of trees near an old abandoned house with a model to test skin tone performances at slight high ISO, generally I prefer to shoot at lower ISO.. this is the result... please don't spread the image on other websites etc.
    I've made also other shot at lower ISO but really the difference is very difficult to see... everything was done without a flash or reflective panel... , before the 50c I own the H4D-40, it's difficult to describe, but this new camera is a completely different thing.. I have to train more to get more confident with it.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/wusigvi9t7...i_0056.jpg.zip

    Best, Domenico.
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    I am having a really hard time seeing a difference in the quality of the files the 50C produces versus other Sony-made sensors (that are small). Yes due to the larger sensor, the depth of field is different, but it doesn't seem to have the color rendering differences (for better or worse) of the CCD backs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Perkins View Post
    I am having a really hard time seeing a difference in the quality of the files the 50C produces versus other Sony-made sensors (that are small). Yes due to the larger sensor, the depth of field is different, but it doesn't seem to have the color rendering differences (for better or worse) of the CCD backs.
    Jhon, You are right, substantially there are no particular difference except a slight better performances at high iso (3200-6400) because the pixel are little larger.
    For the color there are many debates about the performance, but practically the 50c color is well calibrated, and I didn't see differences between CCD.
    One thing that I have to train about is the different exposure and the recovery. This new back is ok but it has a different Dynamic range... I'have see for example the over exposed portion of the Image are more difficult to recover than CCD, but the underexposed one have less noise and far better than CCD... So I'm trying to underexpose a little than before to gain advantage of the better Dynamic range.
    Finally the larger sensor, offcourse it has a different DOF, but it's not all, it is a part of a complete system that in case of Hasselblad is very strong with options like T&S and top level lenses and any sort of accessories difficult, or impossible to find today in other systems.
    The main reason for me to switch to 50c was the improvement of the usability of the system that I allready own, But, If I didn't allready had all this H-lenses system, options, etc... probably I wouldn't buy anything !

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Nice shots, Domenico. This is confirming what I have been finding. I just finished a series of shoots in Montana in a variety of conditions--mostly landscape--and I am very happy with the colors. The main difference between the H5D-50c and my older H4D-60 is the smaller sensor so I have to get used a noticeable loss of wide coverage. I replaced the 28mm with a 24mm, so that takes care of it at the wide end. I just need to get used to the other lenses "reaching" farther. Love the camera. I use it now in plenty of places where before I would have dug out the Nikons for low light

    By the way, I use a combination of old batteries and the new ones. The old ones work just fine, though their life is much shorter. Your measure, Domenico, of 10% for a 12-minute exposure is useful to know.

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    Re: New H5D -50c

    Thanks Timothy,
    I'm very satisfied by the result, and the low light ability is very appreciated too, two days ago I was in the city center without a tripod, just for looking I've made a fee hand shot in the night to the central square of my little town.. with a 50mm II @ F3,5 1/45 of second... the result speaks by itself...

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/lophtj8w19...-Iso-_0003.jpg


    About the battery I have the same combination of new and old battery, it's true the old one discharges query quickly compared to the new model and I look forward to buy a new 2900mA spare battery after vacation season.... anyway I found the new is capable of more than 250 shot and it's not bad generally I don't use the spare one...

    Best regrads, Domenico.
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