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    H5D-200C

    Hi,

    Don't seem to be on the forums just yet.

    Hasselblad just introduced a MS version of the H5D-50c.
    Consisten lighting is very important for MS backs and in the pursuit of top image quality low iso is mandatory.

    But as a flexible tool that can shoot high iso and extreme high resolution the new machine is interesting.

    This almost implies that a >=48x36mm Sony sensor is not that close to release.

    Forgot the link:
    http://www.hasselbladusa.com/media/4...heet_en_v2.pdf

    Notice that they did not toke new pictures, the document shows images from the H5D-200MS bad.

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    Sounds like a dreamy product. The difference between single and multi shot is still significant so the Sony chip must deliver amazing results with 4 or 6 shot.

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    Re: H5D-200C

    I'm not sure I get the point. MS is studio based is it not? Why the need for high iso?
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    Because you can also use it in single shot, like you would the standard 50c?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    I'm not sure I get the point. MS is studio based is it not? Why the need for high iso?
    You could shoot MS on location for interiors? The detail differences and noise levels in the blacks (H4D-50MS) is excellent and as said above its also single shot if required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Sounds like a dreamy product. The difference between single and multi shot is still significant so the Sony chip must deliver amazing results with 4 or 6 shot.

    Almost.
    I can't understand why Sonny did not went for a larger sensor. But that is what we have.
    The reviews show that the CCD are still winning in terms of color separation and rendition (the tests are for Phase and 645Z) that could prove to be a disadvantage against CCD with product: Color is fundamental Dynamic range from Canon and up it's more than enough. Let see how it plays.
    But I agree if it's priced right it could be a very interesting tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jduncan View Post
    Almost.
    I can't understand why Sonny did not went for a larger sensor. But that is what we have.
    It's the same reason why there are so few large sensors in general - it's very expensive to make them. I can imagine Sony wanting to make bigger sensors only if they see a market for it, and for that you need to test the demand first. Seeing as almost every major maker of medium format has adopted the Sony sensor, it could prove favorable to further investment, but in no way would they go into uncharted waters head first.

    The reviews show that the CCD are still winning in terms of color separation and rendition (the tests are for Phase and 645Z) that could prove to be a disadvantage against CCD with product: Color is fundamental
    For the time being, the two technologies still fill different niches, if you only ever shoot at ISO100 or less, then CCD is for you, but if you often wished to have access to higher ISO levels, than CMOS might do it for you instead. Keep in mind that CCD sensors will only have superior color rendition up to ISO200 at most, but anything past that is going to look better on CMOS, since it retains dynamic range and image fidelity better as ISO increases.

    Dynamic range from Canon and up it's more than enough. Let see how it plays.
    DR from Canon is more than enough... I don't remember hearing that since the 5Dmk2 first came out. 11.5 stops of DR is fine, I suppose, if you can control the DR of your scene, like in a studio setup, but for landscape and architecture, which is a good chunk of the high-end camera market, you can never have enough DR.
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    Re: H5D-200C

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolor-Pikker View Post
    It's the same reason why there are so few large sensors in general - it's very expensive to make them. I can imagine Sony wanting to make bigger sensors only if they see a market for it, and for that you need to test the demand first. Seeing as almost every major maker of medium format has adopted the Sony sensor, it could prove favorable to further investment, but in no way would they go into uncharted waters head first.


    For the time being, the two technologies still fill different niches, if you only ever shoot at ISO100 or less, then CCD is for you, but if you often wished to have access to higher ISO levels, than CMOS might do it for you instead. Keep in mind that CCD sensors will only have superior color rendition up to ISO200 at most, but anything past that is going to look better on CMOS, since it retains dynamic range and image fidelity better as ISO increases.


    DR from Canon is more than enough... I don't remember hearing that since the 5Dmk2 first came out. 11.5 stops of DR is fine, I suppose, if you can control the DR of your scene, like in a studio setup, but for landscape and architecture, which is a good chunk of the high-end camera market, you can never have enough DR.
    Agree almost at 100% with you. The Canon DR if enough if we are talking product. That reference was just to MS backs. But you make me realize that in architecture extra DR is super useful for open windows etc. Some people use MS for architecture so you are right.

    The issue about the price is related to yield, number of chips per wafer and the limits of the steppers. I believe that Sony could have produced bigger chips using the same number of exposures.
    If they are using something similar to this (in terms of aperture size)

    Nikon | Precision Equipment | ArF Immersion Scanner NSR-S630D

    It will be a double exposure ( Sonny sensor is 43.8 32.9 mm)

    I believe that a 51mm x 33mm (56MP+) will be easy and not much more expensive to manufacture.

    The resulting resolution will be 9630 x 6200 pixels (60MP) using the same technology they use or 10426 x 6726 (70MP) pixels using a D800 derived chip.

    Notice that the 60MP chip will be pretty attractive offering 30% more linear resolution than the D810 with bigger better pixels.

    If they are using other common maximum size like 22 x22 mm, they are at 4 exposures and the same 4 exposures could create a 44 x 44 mm square sensor (a 68MP chip)
    Notice that the current sensor size seems sensitive with either type of stepper.


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    Re: H5D-200C

    Quote Originally Posted by jduncan View Post
    I believe that a 51mm x 33mm (56MP+) will be easy and not much more expensive to manufacture.
    But if you are Sony and you know non of your competition have a product to equal yours (no sensor for Canon 1ds3 (2007 ) replacement on the horizon) why offer all you've got in one hit when you could drag this chip tech out for years. Phase, Hasselblad, Pentax must be screaming for a larger chip and Sony probably know this.

    How many IQ250 owners would trade up to a 1.1 crop back in 6-12 months and them again for a full frame Sony chipped back when they release that in 2 years time...... Quite a few I imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jduncan View Post
    I believe that a 51mm x 33mm (56MP+) will be easy and not much more expensive to manufacture.
    Well, unless someone here works in the Sony imaging department, I don't think we'll know for sure how easy it is for them to bring a new product out. Sony is a fairly large corporation, but to make a sensor in a new size and resolution would mean retooling one of their chip assembly lines to produce only that type of chip, it's not like they can just decide to put out a few chips if they feel like it.

    And all of that means that they must sell enough chips in the short-term to recoup R&D, manufacturing, and software/firmware development. I have no doubt that a lot of people would want a camera with that kind of technology, but from Sony's business standpoint our idea of "a lot" might not be enough. Who really knows? Until recently, people were expecting Canon to make a move into MF more then anyone else, and all of a sudden everyone gets beaten to the punch with Sony making the a7 series and a CMOS MF sensor within a year.

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    Re: H5D-200C

    Hello,
    I agree with Kolor-Pikker, the history of chip developments tell this, plus the business of MF camera is very low considering the market of today, even if they reduce the price of the system like the new CMOS MF Pentax I think there are not many interested in it...
    I think this newer cmos chip from Sony can stand in the field for 3 or 4 Years without any improvement on it, maybe arrive some other cameras based on it but nothing else.
    About the debate against color rendition etc. to me it's the same and in many case better than ccd, I've read an article from Luminous-Landscape (The Phase One IQ250 CMOS Fully Realized) that analyze this argument for the IQ250 and they say the color are wonderful too..
    Who knows how many Year of development and research it take to Sony for producing a sensor that stand on the high level of IQ and performance of a market where professionals pay more than a car for a digital back ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolor-Pikker View Post
    Well, unless someone here works in the Sony imaging department, I don't think we'll know for sure how easy it is for them to bring a new product out. Sony is a fairly large corporation, but to make a sensor in a new size and resolution would mean retooling one of their chip assembly lines to produce only that type of chip, it's not like they can just decide to put out a few chips if they feel like it.

    And all of that means that they must sell enough chips in the short-term to recoup R&D, manufacturing, and software/firmware development. I have no doubt that a lot of people would want a camera with that kind of technology, but from Sony's business standpoint our idea of "a lot" might not be enough. Who really knows? Until recently, people were expecting Canon to make a move into MF more then anyone else, and all of a sudden everyone gets beaten to the punch with Sony making the a7 series and a CMOS MF sensor within a year.

    Hi,

    There is no need to retool. Did you follow my Math? they are already using multiple exposures. If producing chips of different sizes required retooling will have no pure FAB business. That is the reason I show two possible scenarios with two different steppers (really typical aperture sizes).

    In the other hand, I believe that Gazwas is right on the money. Why will Sony give them the larger chip when they can drag their feet(1), do the MF experiment and, if it goes well, force them to upgrade?

    A solid Business argument.

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    1) Sony will save a little due to the number of chips per wafer.

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    Re: H5D-200C

    Fortunately not all the flavors are mint...
    time is a gentleman, we will see !

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    Re: H5D-200C

    Quote Originally Posted by jduncan View Post
    Hi,

    There is no need to retool. Did you follow my Math? they are already using multiple exposures. If producing chips of different sizes required retooling will have no pure FAB business. That is the reason I show two possible scenarios with two different steppers (really typical aperture sizes).

    In the other hand, I believe that Gazwas is right on the money. Why will Sony give them the larger chip when they can drag their feet(1), do the MF experiment and, if it goes well, force them to upgrade?

    A solid Business argument.

    Best regards,
    J. Duncan

    1) Sony will save a little due to the number of chips per wafer.
    Recently I had a chat with a Phase dealer in Europe who told me that there will be a cmos successor to the IQ280 (53.7 x 40.4) in two years..

    Hopefully there is,I would love to see Such a product...

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    Re: H5D-200C

    Hopefully, this successor will be more friendly with current tech camera lenses for movements, unlike the current IQ250. Also really curious who the sensor manufacturer will be? Sony, Dalsa? other?

    60Mp would be fine for me.

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    Re: H5D-200C

    I'm going to start a rumour that the above mentioned Sony sensor measuring 44mm square is going to be implemented in a new Hasselblad back, for introduction at Photokina next month. If I wish it hard enough, it's surely to come true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    I'm going to start a rumour that the above mentioned Sony sensor measuring 44mm square is going to be implemented in a new Hasselblad back, for introduction at Photokina next month. If I wish it hard enough, it's surely to come true.

    Keep going you never know

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    Well, hey. The Hasselblad slogan for this years Photokina is "Back to the Future".
    I haven't seen a pig fly before, but I'll keep an eye out from mid-September!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    But if you are Sony and you know non of your competition have a product to equal yours (no sensor for Canon 1ds3 (2007 ) replacement on the horizon) why offer all you've got in one hit when you could drag this chip tech out for years. Phase, Hasselblad, Pentax must be screaming for a larger chip and Sony probably know this.

    How many IQ250 owners would trade up to a 1.1 crop back in 6-12 months and them again for a full frame Sony chipped back when they release that in 2 years time...... Quite a few I imagine.
    I think you have an optimistic view of the whole MFD segment. These removable back cameras cost an arm and both legs, lose value swiftly, and continue to stay in the rarified price ranges even in the face of plunging demand and increasing competition from FF 35mm cameras that'll do 90% of what a MFD is capable of.

    For years I had a Hasselblad Multi-Shot camera, and while I could shoot it as a single shot, the only time I did was when I was perfecting the composition and lighting prior to taking the MS image. Otherwise it was an impractical solution as a single shot camera and I sure as hell wouldn't have subjected the high precision micro-step back to the rigors of mobile single shot location work.

    CMOS may now allow more versatile use due to higher ISO performance, but in a practical sense a Nikon D800 (or whatever is next), will out high ISO it anyway, so a MFD that is more dedicated to its task seems the better idea.

    In the case of Hasselblad, the camera is specifically designed more for studio work or planed location stuff, especially using lighting. I found that contrary to the desire for higher ISO performance, ISO 100 was a detriment when the highest shutter speed is 1/800. I'd rather see ISO 25 as a base.

    Where I still in the Hasselbald H camp, where I used to have a H4D/60 (studio) and H4D/40 (location & mobile), my dream team would be the H5D/200 with CCD, and the H5D/50C.

    My Leica S2P is a different animal, so I'm interested in where Leica goes with it in future. Since it can be thought of as being a blend of MFD and 35mm, and features a dual shutter system, a bit higher ISO would be of some value however, if CMOS is adopted by Leica (highly likely), it remains to be seen if it retains the look and feel of the current S cameras (which I highly doubt).

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I think you have an optimistic view of the whole MFD segment. These removable back cameras cost an arm and both legs, lose value swiftly, and continue to stay in the rarified price ranges even in the face of plunging demand and increasing competition from FF 35mm cameras that'll do 90% of what a MFD is capable of.
    On the contrary, my experience with buying new MFD cameras since I started using Phase backs in 1999 was their whole business model was to keep users in the upgrade loop and encourage upgrades to the next best thing with their favourable upgrade programme every new big development (2 years?) Jumping ship and selling privately has never been an option to recoup your investment as the kit loose so much money and you're left with the decision to stick with what you've got for good or continue to ride the wave....... Seems to have worked very well for Phase for many year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    In the case of Hasselblad, the camera is specifically designed more for studio work or planed location stuff, especially using lighting. I found that contrary to the desire for higher ISO performance, ISO 100 was a detriment when the highest shutter speed is 1/800. I'd rather see ISO 25 as a base.
    Marc I'm not sure I understand you?

    I shoot lots of interiors, now mainly with a Canon and TSE lenses and Broncolor battery lighting. My normal ISO settings are 160-320 (hence why I use the Canon over CCD MFD). My exposures normally fall between 1/4sec and 1/10sec at F11 on most jobs I shoot.

    Why would I not want a CMOS MFD back with higher sensitivity and a multishot at that? Seems ideal to me - faster shutter speed means less margin for shake error on multi exposures and much less flash energy needed per exposure putting less strain on other parts of the kit. Seems like the ideal progression of multishot to me.

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    Re: H5D-200C

    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    On the contrary, my experience with buying new MFD cameras since I started using Phase backs in 1999 was their whole business model was to keep users in the upgrade loop and encourage upgrades to the next best thing with their favourable upgrade programme every new big development (2 years?) Jumping ship and selling privately has never been an option to recoup your investment as the kit loose so much money and you're left with the decision to stick with what you've got for good or continue to ride the wave....... Seems to have worked very well for Phase for many year.
    So, you are a research poll of one.

    I personally know a fair number of pros that have bailed on MFD, or are sticking with what they have because they see no real advantage in upgrades after they reached a certain point. And that doesn't even include many here on GetDpi that have moved on.

    While the company trade-up programs do offer a bit less gouge to the pocketbook, they are still pretty steep compared to staying pat, or moving onto something else that gets the job done for a minuscule fraction of the price.

    Granted, we all have different criteria, and there most certainly is a place for bigger and better MFD but to think the MFD segment is raging forward unabated is simply not the case. Perhaps if the general health of paid photography recovers in future we'll see more interest but I firmly believe that ship has sailed, and it'll only get worse, not better again, "generally speaking". Okay for some, not okay for a lot of others.

    While the whole concept of a large sensor is one I firmly believe in, the whole MFD camera gestalt has evolved at glacial speed. We don't need bigger, bad-boy backs, we need smaller, more modern cameras rather than some previous century devices with technological bandaids plastered all over them.

    Hopefully that'll happen sooner than later. Maybe next month?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    So, you are a research poll of one.
    No need for any aggression?

    I agree the whole MFD story is questionable now with other HQ offerings available but it's far from dead and developing these technologies to be more flexible to more photographers is encouraging. Sure, CCD MS was very much studio and studio strobe bound but this CMOS back changes that. Cost will always be the stumbling block with MFD but it always has been so we shall have to see how this pans out for the future.

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    Marc I'm not sure I understand you?

    I shoot lots of interiors, now mainly with a Canon and TSE lenses and Broncolor battery lighting. My normal ISO settings are 160-320 (hence why I use the Canon over CCD MFD). My exposures normally fall between 1/4sec and 1/10sec at F11 on most jobs I shoot.

    Why would I not want a CMOS MFD back with higher sensitivity and a multishot at that? Seems ideal to me - faster shutter speed means less margin for shake error on multi exposures and much less flash energy needed per exposure putting less strain on other parts of the kit. Seems like the ideal progression of multishot to me.
    I was sharing my own experiences mostly studio based product photography using MS because of the need for color correct images with distinct color separation.

    You have a specific way of shooting interiors that isn't the only way to do them. My friend does high-end architectural work using a H camera at a higher sync shutter speed than is possible with a Canon in order to control outdoor window exposures, and then lights the interior in balance using ISO 50 or 100.

    I do think MS is a good choice for architectural/design imagery for the same reason subtile fabric rendering and so on.

    However, it isn't cameras shake that is at issue with a tethered, locked down sand-bagged Hasselblad MS camera which automatically locks up the mirror and stops down the aperture while employing ultra focus corrections prior to going through the MS steps it is subject movement like trees outside in the wind. Most MS shooters also do a single frame in case that happens so they can marry the two in post. A higher shutter speed isn't going to solve that. Shutter speed has nothing to do with subject movement between each MS capture. With MS you have to set the micro delay between shots to coordinate with your strobe recycle time as it cycles through the 4 or 6 shots tripping the lights each time.

    I will believe that CMOS is better when I see that it is better, and so far all the shots shown by Hasselblad are from the H4D/200MS back which has a 1.1X CCD sensor, and were done at lower ISOs. So, it's all speculative until someone gets a H5D/200C and does some shots especially MS at ISOs above 400.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I will believe that CMOS is better when I see that it is better, and so far all the shots shown by Hasselblad are from the H4D/200MS back which has a 1.1X CCD sensor, and were done at lower ISOs. So, it's all speculative until someone gets a H5D/200C and does some shots especially MS at ISOs above 400.
    I'm not a big believer that CMOS is better and looking at the IQ250 to CCD comparisons I didn't think its clear cut. However, what I do think CMOS offers over CCD is its ability to adapt out out the usual MFD safe zone of the studio or very controlled lighting all shot at base ISO or very close to. Potentially, the more flexible MFD become in light of modern 35mm cameras, the more popular it may become again.

    If I was in the market for a MS back today, unless it had major colour issues (very doubtful) I'd find it hard to to think of reason (excluding chip size with WA lenses) to buy the CCD version now this new back has been launched. We'll have to wait for the test results before we shall see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    I'm not a big believer that CMOS is better and looking at the IQ250 to CCD comparisons I didn't think its clear cut. However, what I do think CMOS offers over CCD is its ability to adapt out out the usual MFD safe zone of the studio or very controlled lighting all shot at base ISO or very close to. Potentially, the more flexible MFD become in light of modern 35mm cameras, the more popular it may become again.

    If I was in the market for a MS back today, unless it had major colour issues (very doubtful) I'd find it hard to to think of reason (excluding chip size with WA lenses) to buy the CCD version now this new back has been launched. We'll have to wait for the test results before we shall see?
    Don't get me wrong, I'm with you in hoping that CMOS can bring something new to the party in the way of expanded MFD versatility. However, I freely admit to being skeptical given that I'm not a fan of CMOS in any camera to date. IMO, they ruined the Leica M camera with the move to CMOS (and I am not alone in thinking this).

    That Hasselblad did not enable live view on the LCD is a bit perplexing as it would enhance the use on a Tech camera even without T/S however, for me, I shoot mostly tethered to a 30" monitor and zoom in 100% to check critical focus, so it's a moot point and not a compelling reason to pay that kind of money for a smaller sensor in a bigger camera.

    "Big Camera" is the operative word here IMO that is what is stunting use of MFD for mobile work. I do not mind somewhat larger, and find the Leica S2 to be fine because dual shutters makes it so versatile but I have to admit that lugging my H system was a chore, and 1/800 top shutter made it less than versatile at times.

    If someone used that new Sony sensor in a camera/lens system 1/2 the size of current MFD systems (not to mention 1/2 the price), then they probably would draw new blood into the MFD world.

    The issue as I see it is not getting MFD die-hards to keep buying in regular cycles, it's getting new buyers to fill in behind them as they opt out like an overwhelming majority of former MFD users I know have done in the past few years.

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    I'm interested to see if Leica use a version of the sensor used in the M240 in a CMOS version of the S, or if they use a custom version of this Sony sensor.
    I'm really keen to see some objective comparisons of colour rendition and detail between the three systems that already use the Sony sensor, being Hasselblad, Phase and Pentax.

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    Re: H5D-200C

    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    I'm interested to see if Leica use a version of the sensor used in the M240 in a CMOS version of the S, or if they use a custom version of this Sony sensor.
    I'm really keen to see some objective comparisons of colour rendition and detail between the three systems that already use the Sony sensor, being Hasselblad, Phase and Pentax.
    I agree that a good wringing out of all three cameras using this new Sony sensor would be very interesting especially by folks that really know the software for each company. However, I'd give it 6 months to a year before owners learn how to optimize their experiences with it.

    At the risk of repeating myself, I'm far less interested in sensors and backs that are debatable in terms of actual real-world gain for how these cameras tend to be utilized. It is the cameras themselves that need the revolution before they become truly versatile.

    If Sony can put a FF 36 meg 35mm sensor in a camera almost the size of a pack of cigarettes why can't these MFD companies make an interchangeable lens camera system with a MFD sensor that shrinks the box? IMHO, if they do not do it relatively soon, it'll be too late. First to do it will be the last one standing.

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    At the risk of turning a thread about a great new Hasselblad product into a discussion about something else, I'd love to see Leica really up the anti and put a high res sensor in an S body. 60mpx plus would be a real selling point with that glass. The lower pixel count of the current S always perplexed me a bit considering the crowd it is aimed at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    At the risk of turning a thread about a great new Hasselblad product into a discussion about something else, I'd love to see Leica really up the anti and put a high res sensor in an S body. 60mpx plus would be a real selling point with that glass. The lower pixel count of the current S always perplexed me a bit considering the crowd it is aimed at.
    The Leica S is a bit of an odd duck at the moment, it's certainly the finest glass that I've seen anywhere, but it's built around a sensor that was introduced with the S2 - in 2006! So it's definitely behind the times, and with the unique-for-MF 3:2 sensor ratio, they can't just plop Sony's sensor in, not to mention the fact that just a while ago they partnered with CMOSIS.

    When Leica announces the next S at Photokina, I'm pretty certain we'll see it utilize some newly developed sensor by CMOSIS, but they'll also have to up the ante in terms of price and performance. If the next Leica S will cost around ~20k, it better have equal or superior characteristics to what Sony has done. Previously, it had used the same sensor as in the Pentax 645D, so the value proposition was in aesthetics, ergonomics, faster processing speed and S lenses.

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    Re: H5D-200C

    Honestly I think this isn't the Year of CMOS from every brand.... As the result maybe at Photokina we see a new cmos MF camera, probably based on the existing Sony 50mpix chip. Maybe the ufficial presentation of the H5D-200c.... That's All...

    in my Dreams, instead, I hope that arrive a 48x64mm 50mpix s-CMOS capable of noise free Images at iso 12800 and exposures of 5 hours or more in any condition with live view and 4k video recording capability, maybe priced less than a Pro dslr... Etc. Etc. Etc...
    it's Just a dream.. The magicians at silicon foundry are able to do it, I know... And the dream can be true !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post

    That Hasselblad did not enable live view on the LCD is a bit perplexing as it would enhance the use on a Tech camera even without T/S
    Watch this space

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    Re: H5D-200C

    Please count me in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    I'm going to start a rumour that the above mentioned Sony sensor measuring 44mm square is going to be implemented in a new Hasselblad back, for introduction at Photokina next month. If I wish it hard enough, it's surely to come true.

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