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    Hassy vs. Mamiya 7II

    My goal is to have a more portable but "almost as good" alternative when I don't want to lug around the 4x5 or 617 view camera. I do not mind rangefinder since I have been using Leica for over 10 years.

    I know that the Mamiya 7 does not do head & shoulder portraits or closer. I know that according to MTF etc., the Mamiya lens are better. The Mamiya kit will be lighter.

    I know that the Hassy (501cm/503cm) is a more flexible system with more lens and portrait possibility, and also long (multiple hours even) exposures. It can use multiple backs.

    I will use a tripod. Shooting mainly color neg film and some slides.

    Given all that, the print size requirement is that it has to look good at 30x40 or even higher. I have a LS-9000 scanner and will pay for drum scan if needed.

    Is the Hassy up to the task with respect to the print size requirement?

    I actually used an Mamiya 7II for about a year, and also a 503CW for the same length of time, albeit only with a P25+ and not really the film back. My requirements were different then.

    Comments and suggestions? Thanks

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    Richard,

    Looks like you are well appraised of both systems.

    You forgot to mention the type of subject matter you intend to shoot with it? That would help, to get targeted advice.

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    Ah, true. Although if it's on a tripod, it shouldn't matter much? :-)

    Landscapes/Cityscapes/Environmental Portraits. In fact, I just created this:
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    It's a lousy portfolio since it's just a bunch of images lump together, but these are my favorite images from the past 4-5 years. This should give you some ideas of my preferred subject matter.

    Gears used includes 4x5, 617, XPan, Leica M9, Leica M7, SWC/M, Olympus E3 and even one from the 503cw/P25+. Lots of pano, as you can see :-)

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    Re: Hassy vs. Mamiya 7II

    If the goal is portability then I'd definitely favor the Mamiya 7II with just a couple of lenses such as the 43 & 65 or 80mm.

    I have a 503cxi outfit and it quickly becomes a heavyweight package once you go past a couple of lenses. It's very versatile but ultimately I doubt that it's any more portable than your 617.

    I used to shoot with the Mamiya a few years ago and it was a very capable travel solution. To be honest I don't know that there would be much difference in quality between the outfits given that both have superb lenses for film - the mamiya being probably my favorite although just remember to treat hyperfocal settings with a pinch of salt.

    Of course, there is also the matter of film format 6x7 vs 6x6 if that matters to you.
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    Hi Richard!

    I have owned both systems and enjoyed them equally, but for different reasons. The Mamiya 7II is IMO, the choice with the least amount of weight and hassle for what you want to shoot.

    I am not much of a rangefinder shooter (sold a Leica M7 not long after acquiring it), but the slides I got from my 7II + 80mm lens were a thing of beauty. I did have the 150mm + optical viewfinder and was disappointed with the experience, but I was expecting something from a rangefinder that was not in the design. The Hasselblad V system is an all time favorite of mine for portraiture, but the Mamiya 7II would be my choice for the work you have planned.

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    Re: Hassy vs. Mamiya 7II

    My suggestion is going to be jaded by my own needs and considerations, so that said here is my .02:

    1) The Mamiya is an outstanding choice if you know you're only going to be shooting film for the needs you specified. Its only two nits are poor close focus ability and the RF going out of adjustment (which is a relatively easy adjustment if you buy the tool). 2) However, if you even think digital is a remote possibility or future desire, then I'd reco the Hassy; not only can digital backs be adapted to the Hassy C and F bodies, the lenses can be used on other platforms like the Cambo ACTUS.
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    Thanks all for the advice. When someone buys my Gaoersi 4x5 camera, I will look at the options again then.

    *decision, decision*

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    I would not go in those systems, Imho.

    The Hassys are complicated, fragile pieces of craftsmanship with usual big MF mirror.

    The M7ii is more robust, lenses are state of the art but it is old gear.

    Have a look at the Fuji 667 and 667W. With both you are good for portraiture and all the rest. It is modern, very solid, totally silent and leaf shutter (good for flash - max 1/500).

    Lenses are extremely good to.
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    I will need at least wide, normal and (short) telephoto for the type of work I do, so as good as 667 may be, they are out of running.

    Thanks.

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    Or just wait, like many of us, the compact digital MF of our dreams
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    I am a starving artist. No budget for a digital MF.

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    If you are able to buy a drum scanner you will have no problem to buy used Digital MF gear. Your level of starvingness is actually 20 not 60 !
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    "...will pay for drum scan if needed." means sending negs for scanning, not buying a drum scanner.

    And I used to have money and hopefully will again. Hence all these equipments.

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    "I will use a tripod. Shooting mainly color neg film and some slides"
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    Just a hobbyist, but looking at your portrait work, the 'blad 110mm F2, on 6x6 film might give you spectacular creative results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHV View Post
    "I will use a tripod. Shooting mainly color neg film and some slides"
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    Just a hobbyist, but looking at your portrait work, the 'blad 110mm F2, on 6x6 film might give you spectacular creative results.

    Steve
    Hi Steve, yes, my current Transformations:Cosplay project, of which I posted many samples at the Large Format Camera subforum at GetDPI, uses the 4x5. That particular project will remain at 4x5 as that's one of its draws, but the Hassy does speak to me on that level.

    Thanks

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    " my current Transformations:Cosplay project"
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    I enjoy that project very much; as much from the "sociology" as the photography. An area of human activity that I previously didn't know existed.

    Here is a 110 hand held shot, with ambient light, of the only subject immediately available, at F2. Not great but give some indication of the character of the 110mm.

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    Re: Hassy vs. Mamiya 7II

    Hi Richard. I own both the Hasselblad and Mamiya 7II cameras/systems. If you generally plan to use a tripod, then I suggest you go with the Hasselblad. More lenses, choice of film backs, and ultimately a low cost digital back option. Main advantage of the M7II is lighter weight, portability, quiet shutter....although for me, the 6x7 format is also a big plus.

    Personally, if I wanted 6x7 on a tripod, I would choose a Pentax 67II or RZ67 Pro II. I also own both of those systems. The Pentax 67 is one of my favorites.

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    The Mamiya 7II is hands down the best camera system I have ever owned and I regret every day that I sold it (to pay for processing of two years worth of C-41 sheet film, no less!) I love shooting Hasselblad V cameras too, but hate using the prism finders. They're just too dim for my tastes. For tripod work, I wouldn't hesitate with the 7II.
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    Re: Hassy vs. Mamiya 7II

    for another twist, there was a very, very nice rollei sl-66 in the fs last week

    http://www.getdpi.com/forum/gear-fs-...l66se-kit.html

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    Re: Hassy vs. Mamiya 7II

    If you like panoramas, the Mamiya 7II will be a better option than the Hasselblad because it has more film area and for the most part better wide angle lenses (the ones for Hasselblad are very good, but other than the SWC they are not in the same league as the Mamiya wide angles, particularly if you take distortion into account, which is quite important for panoramas if you have a long flat horizon).
    I agree with tjv that the Mamiya 7II is really something else. In the past I have used a Mamiya 7 kit, Hasselblad 203FE kit, Rollei 6008AF and a lot of other very lovely camera systems, and the Mamiya 7 is the one that I most consistently reached for for landscape work, wide-angle work and travel-style photography. The Rollei and Hasselblad are better at portraits and studio work, and they can certainly do the stuff the Mamiya does as well, but they cannot match the Mamiya for the ease of handling, quality of wide-angles and performance to bulk/weight ratio. I still have and use the Mamiya kit and the Hasselblad kit, but the Mamiya gets used more often.

    Nothing is going to come close to your 6x17 for panoramas though...at least if you are printing big. That is just massive amounts of film area. That said, the Mamiya and Hasselblad will both do 30x40 without an issue, assuming a fine-grained film and good technique.
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    I am so glad that I posted this 2 days ago, because every few hours or so, I would say to myself:

    "Yup, I should just get another Mamiya 7II" (which would make it the first camera that I would ever re-purchase)"

    but then a few hours later:

    "Ah, but I can do long exposure with the Hassy, and the 110/2! and..."

    and then
    "You would NEVER carry the Hassy anywhere because it's heavy but you have carried the Maimya 7 with 2 lens everywhere.."

    and then
    "But you see on the ground glass with the WLF, just like the 4x5! And if you want carry-everywhere, you would just use your Leica M9 anyway"
    ...
    ...
    Argghhh...

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    Re: Hassy vs. Mamiya 7II

    Richard

    If it's any conciliation I've been through the Mamiya 7 buy/sell/re-buy cycle three times. It's one of those outfits that are worth keeping hold of long term I think.

    I had the same experience with my xpan which I've vowed never to sell again. Replacing the camera/lenses isn't a problem but replacing things like the RRS or Kirk custom tripod plates gets really difficult as they tend to no longer be in production.
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    Richard,

    Your first sentence of original post said, "My goal is to have a more portable but "almost as good" alternative when I don't want to lug around the 4x5 or 617 view camera." Both the Hassie and Mamiya are portable, but the Mamiya 7 is lighter. If the Mamiya 7 series lenses work for you, you can't go wrong. You give up some versatility, but if you are using it for landscapes, that usually means some traveling and some walking. Plus film size is closer to 4x5 than the 6x6 of the Hassie.
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    The Hasselblad 110/2 only works with the focal plane shutter cameras, i.e. the 2000 and 200 series cameras, and these are very different than the 500 series cameras. The 2000 series had very fragile shutter, and are often damaged, and the shutters can no longer be replaced, as there are no spare parts, and the one company which had a side-line in offering alternative shutters has stopped making them. To top it off, I do not believe that Hasselblad support them any longer.

    The 200 series cameras are well loved by many, especially the 203FE, but I had one of these, and just couldn't get along with its weird and quirky operation, and the offset strap holder on the left side drove me batty with the camera hanging at an odd angle, so in the end, I sold it again.

    I now have a Sinar Hy6. This system is much more modern, and also has the 110/2, this time with a leaf shutter (!), but unfortunately it was never well represented in north America.
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    The Hy6 is a fantastic camera...I only ever got to use it with the 645 film back, but I imagine it is a real joy with the 6x6 back. That said, the 110/2 for the Rollei is much bigger and heaver than it is on the Hasselblad, and it is also limited to 1/500th, which makes it harder to use outside at wider apertures. I found that for field work I preferred the 203FE (also because the 6x6 back was not available when I had the Hy6) because of its lighter weight and the higher shutter speeds. I never found it to be weird or quirky to operate, but I mostly stuck to AE, which made it very quick and straightforward. Some of the other modes were a bit less straightforward. The Hy6 is a tremendously good camera, but hampered somewhat by its rarity and expense as Carsten mentioned...it is a lot harder and/or more expensive to put together a Hy6 system than a Hasselblad or Mamiya one...It is not that heavy with most of the lenses, but some of the good ones like the 110/2 and 180mm f/2.8 are beasts.
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    True, but at least they are there! Many of the Schneiders are great (40, 80, 90, 180) and do not exist for Hasselblad. Anyway, my point was more that the 110/2 does not work with the 500-series Hasselblads being discussed, and the 2000-series equivalents are fragile and unsupported.
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    Thanks Carsten, nice to know!

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