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    Medium Format Pano's

    I shot this one in Monument Valley of the North window. It is 9 shots with a Mamiya 150mm lens. I just redid this one and added a bit of sky to it. I have another in Moab that I want to redo also but this is a blast to do. Show us what you have done
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    Re: Medium Format Pano's

    Guy

    I envy you very much for such wonderful landscapes you have .
    I am just starting into MF pano photography with HASSELBLAD , analog and digital .
    I saw some other outstanding Monument Valley images (not postcard ones)
    here in the forum and I am delighted .

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    Wow! I thought the pano you did in the other thread was fantastic but this one is at least as good. Really spectacular and I can easily imagine it printed the size of a bus and hanging in Grand Central Station. Wicked nice, Guy.

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    Love panos!

    This one is from last month at Zabriskie in Death Valley. *brrrr* cold! Eight shot pano, Phase 645AF, 75-150, P45+ Long exposures at sunrise! Just printed a 30" x 96" on metallic.

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    Ken that one is really nice
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    This one is from Moab 9 shots. I may have to print these and actually hang them in my house or better yet make them wallpaper . LOL
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    That's great Ken! I love the natural curve that bends up at the edges. It does a great job of leading your eye into the center.

    Guy had a great session at the Moab workshop on Composition. I may spent four years formally studying photography and many hours of that discussing, researching, and experimenting with composition, but I still learned a ton. Especially since most of my experience is outside of landscape, and his lecture was specific to composition in landscape.

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    Re: Medium Format Pano's

    Awesome panos Guy and Ken. I've been to Death Valley and the Zabriskie Point Overlook several times....always in March, never in the winter. Fantastic views. Anxious to get back there someday and shoot some panos too. I can only imagine how good the Moab and Death Valley panos at these resolutions would look in print.

    Well done!

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    Re: Medium Format Pano's

    Here's one from Sedona with an interesting issue -- CS4 could not render it! I did the B&W conversions in C1 -- and in fact ALL processing on these files was done in C1 and nothing in CS4 -- pulled all 6 frames into CS4 for the merge, and got an error that there was not a pano. Then tried it a second time and it generated the stitch, but without the blend step -- IOW it just arranged them then spit it out as finished.

    Long story short, I had heard good things about AutoPano Pro, so I downloaded the demo and ran it. First off, AP found the pano right away, and asked if I wanted to sticth it. I said yes and picked all the high quality options. AP went to work -- and here there is a big difference over CS4, AP was using all my cores at near capacity and it took about 15 minutes to render this pano, where CS4 usually takes maybe 3 or 4 with an image this size. However, the result is impressive: Main thing I note is there is not the usual geometric distortions you get with long panos in CS4; horizon lines are as captured with no waves or wiggles and no other obvious geometric distortions from transforms to mate seam lines are visible. Anyway, looks like if you want to make really big stitches using large, 16 bit monotone files, you need a better piece of software than CS4. The final file is about 26000 pixels wide and about 1G in size, and was made from 6 captures on my P45+ using the 120 Macro, each exposure were 1 second at f22 at ISO 100. I have reduced it to 2400 pixels wide for display here (using CS4), or about 1/10th scale, click on the 900 pix image below to see the 2400 px version:



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    Yeah, big fan of Autopano and when I upgraded to 8gb RAM, 64 bit windows and the autopano cache on a raid 0 striped it really started to fly! Always was far faster than PS and far more control if you dig into the program a bit.
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    Second one is maginficient Guy. thanks for posting gentlemen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    Yeah, big fan of Autopano and when I upgraded to 8gb RAM, 64 bit windows and the autopano cache on a raid 0 striped it really started to fly! Always was far faster than PS and far more control if you dig into the program a bit.
    Good point Ben. After i purchased it, I went into the settings and set up a striped array for scratch and gave it 8G ram to play with and it moves along real fast now
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    Re: Medium Format Pano's

    Jack and Guy,

    How much overlap do you generally use when shooting the sequence?

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    I was going about 25 percent over
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    I generally try for between 1/3 and 1/2 overlap...

    Rendering a 10 frame, 180 degree pano of a Monument Valley sunrise right now. Over 32,000 pixels wide LOLOL!
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    Re: Medium Format Pano's

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Here's one from Sedona with an interesting issue -- CS4 could not render it! I did the B&W conversions in C1 -- and in fact ALL processing on these files was done in C1 and nothing in CS4 -- pulled all 6 frames into CS4 for the merge, and got an error that there was not a pano. Then tried it a second time and it generated the stitch, but without the blend step -- IOW it just arranged them then spit it out as finished.
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    Sorry! C1 = Capture One, my raw processing software. CS4 = Photoshop CS4, and is my image editing program. So what I mean is I did *all* of the critical image processing and conversion in the C1 raw processor and did not use Photoshop for anything other than the downsampling form teh huge pano to a postable jpeg.

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    Guy, the North Window shot is great. Gotta wonder though if it isn't TOO wide. Seems like you could lose about 35% off the right side and maybe 10% off the left to have a much more focused and appealing image.

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    Re: Medium Format Pano's

    great panos; especially like yours, Jack

    out of curiosity, what size would you print them? 24" high x 12' wide, for example?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    Guy, the North Window shot is great. Gotta wonder though if it isn't TOO wide. Seems like you could lose about 35% off the right side and maybe 10% off the left to have a much more focused and appealing image.
    Problem with losing 35% off the right, he loses the shadow and the lower right tree, which IMO make that pano pop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    great panos; especially like yours, Jack

    out of curiosity, what size would you print them? 24" high x 12' wide, for example?
    Thanks John. Actually, I usually try to keep them nearer 1:4 aspect ratios and print them more like 6" tall by 24" wide. So I would crop the B&W I posted above a bit since there's nothing really important at the ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Problem with losing 35% off the right, he loses the shadow and the lower right tree, which IMO make that pano pop.

    My .02,
    Which was exactly my thinking too. I saw the tree when i was shooting it and that shadow i really liked so I did include it and actually figured i could crop later too. I guess i rather have all that data than work from there. Certainly big enough to play.

    As far as prints i sent those two to my wife and she wants me to print them for the house. So i may go 24 inches tall but it does grow to 5ft wide or so. May take up a whole wall. She also wants me to sell them to the Utah tourism Dept. Actually not a bad thought.

    Anyway besides all that I really never done to many Pano's before but I really like putting them together and they add a different prospective in landscape work. The neat part is in reality it is what your eye's really see and we seem to take parts of that instead with photography. These lend to our own real vision when your standing there looking at the scene.
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    Turret Arch 35mm Rodenstock P45+ Horseman 5 image stitch
    5mm shift lcc corrections applied
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    Re: Medium Format Pano's

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Here's one from Sedona with an interesting issue -- CS4 could not render it! I did the B&W conversions in C1 -- and in fact ALL processing on these files was done in C1 and nothing in CS4 -- pulled all 6 frames into CS4 for the merge, and got an error that there was not a pano. Then tried it a second time and it generated the stitch, but without the blend step -- IOW it just arranged them then spit it out as finished.


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    Very nice image, Jack. You nailed the dynamic range, which is often difficult in panos and was very difficult here. Also, very good translation to B&W.

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    I posten this in the other thread but think it belongs here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I shot this one in Monument Valley of the North window. It is 9 shots with a Mamiya 150mm lens. I just redid this one and added a bit of sky to it. I have another in Moab that I want to redo also but this is a blast to do. Show us what you have done
    Hey Guy

    I don't think this is the North window. It looks to me to be a wonderful image of Wall street at Arches. Am I wrong?

    Fabulous shot though. I have tried for a few years to get a shot of this location that I really liked and never got there. This one does it for me.

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    No it said North Window in Monument Valley when we pulled in and it was looking North for sure.
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    Yup
    http://www.americansouthwest.net/uta...window2_l.html

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    one more-it was a very strong cold wind when I took that one and my fingers nearly freeze off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    Very nice image, Jack. You nailed the dynamic range, which is often difficult in panos and was very difficult here. Also, very good translation to B&W.

    Thanks Woody,

    You were there too and know the DR was pretty significant, it was likely over 10 stops, probably more. This is where our big backs really shine IMO.

    The B&W conversion was done in C1 using one of their STD profiles.

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    Lovely stuff gentlemen - and I am not a landscape buff by any means.

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    Monument Valley Dawn
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    Nice Bob . CS4 would not do mine for some reason
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    Guy,
    I used Autopano
    CS4 just won't blend these properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Monument Valley Dawn
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    Bob,
    really like your Monument Valley Dawn pano, light, colours .... how many pictures did you use for this?
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    Jeorg,
    That was six frames from the P45+ and the 55mm Mamiya lens.
    the result is 21237 by 5253 pixels.
    One problem with panos is that if you have a spot on your sensor, it shows up several times
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    No it said North Window in Monument Valley when we pulled in and it was looking North for sure.
    O.K then

    Actually I meant Park Avenue, not Wall Street anyway. But it sure looks like park avenue. Next year if you have a workshop at Arches, look for it

    Most important thing though is the quality of this image

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    Guy,
    I used Autopano
    CS4 just won't blend these properly.
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    Yup that is where I have seen a few issues with CS4 is it must not like those very subtle tones and get's confused by them and just will not render it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    O.K then

    Actually I meant Park Avenue, not Wall Street anyway. But it sure looks like park avenue. Next year if you have a workshop at Arches, look for it

    Most important thing though is the quality of this image

    Woody
    It does look like Park Avenue in Moab. Great spot too , that morning we had no light when we stopped there . Although we all did get this instead behind us when it finally did pop. Not to bad on luck
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    I currently have an older Bogen pistol grip head on by Gitzo Studex and also have a Kaidan QTVR head, but I need a good "beefy" ball head for doing panos. I have seen a few threads over the months, but wondered if the RRS is the best head for this type of photography? Can you guys give me your input?

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    I'll chime in here, as I am looking for a good ballhead as a compromise between portability and stability, including for MF, eventually with a 22MP back and lenses as long as at least 200mm, possibly 350mm. Can I get by with the middle RRS head?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    I'll chime in here, as I am looking for a good ballhead as a compromise between portability and stability, including for MF, eventually with a 22MP back and lenses as long as at least 200mm, possibly 350mm. Can I get by with the middle RRS head?
    IMO the RRS BH40 with panning top clamp would be minimally marginal for your Contax with the 210, though probably adequate with the 140 or less. You would be far better served with the BH55, Arca B1 or a Gitzo 3 sized head.
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    Re: Medium Format Pano's

    RRS makes excellent equipment and I’ve certainly helped them build that new wing onto their factory however I have no experience with their ballheads.

    My first ballhead was from Kirk which worked fine until I found Acratech and started using them. I’ve continually used an Acratech ballhead for several years without any problems what so ever in rain, snow, freezing sleet, and howling desert winds. This was my primary head until I found the CUBE (don’t get me started and hopefully Jack isn’t reading this).

    I don’t want to be a snob here but I really do not think a ballhead is the proper tool for panorama landscape work; yes it will work and yes I’ve done it as well. I firmly believe that for a constant level of quality you need a good dedicated panorama kit.

    The hardest thing to do is finding the nodal point of whatever lens you’re using and that means you need the correct tool. The second hardest is keeping the camera/lens totally level during the capture. It has taken me several minutes to achieve the first two before I ever take the first capture. Using a level attached to the hotshoe I’ll swing the camera left to right several times to make sure it stays level the entire time, if not I stop and make adjustments.

    I had someone very recently contact me regarding panorama techniques and equipment. Tool wise this was my recommendation:

    1) Lowest level: RRS “Pano Elements Package”
    2) Second level: RRS “Ultimate Omni-Pivot Package”
    3) The top level: RRS “Ultimate-Pro Omni-Pivot Package”
    4) Acratech leveling base

    I started out with #1 and #4 and moved quickly to #3 and #4 using this combination with my Canon 1Ds II and Mamiya AFD II kits. I’ve constantly gotten good results with this kit using lens up to 300mm.

    Ballheads can work and they are shown working on the RRS website and catalog. My concern with a ballhead is camera weight as well as the potential of slippage at the critical moment, beside the closer to the base of the tripod the better for keeping vibration to a minimum.

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    And frankly Don, with your new Cube the tilts are close enough to nodal so that with a simple sliding rail in the top clamp to get to the lens nodal point, you can even do spherical stitches using the Cube's tilts that will be close enough for CS or Autopano Pro to assemble perfectly.

    Pretty cool eh?

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    God I hate these posts.

    Jack, you do realize that this means a "cube" is in my future. I think the age of digital really means the age of stitched images as well as multi-focus images a la Helicon Focus. All the rest, may be more difficult in film rather than digital, but still possible. Stitched images including spherical stitches are simple processes with the commercial software now available. Same with multi-focus. The end image possibilities nowadays are just unbelievable.

    Some of your work, as well as others like Arne Hvaring, really inspires. I look forward to working on these techniques for quite some time

    Good stuff my friend

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    now i'm getting excited...unfortunately, the dovetail base for the RRS gear doesn't quite fit the Arca dovetail on the cube. Milling machine weekend for me

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    I totally agree with you Jack that’s the reason that I just sold my pano kit!

    I just readjust the latch on the Cube instead of changing the dimensions of my Kirk L brackets whenever I switch from the Cambo to the AFD. I even tried my G9 on it while in movie mode.


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    Re: Medium Format Pano's

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    now i'm getting excited...unfortunately, the dovetail base for the RRS gear doesn't quite fit the Arca dovetail on the cube. Milling machine weekend for me
    John,

    The Cube's clamp is adjustable for width -- that's the silver knob insde the jaws. However, I *hate* the Arca QR clamp even more than the RRS QR clamp, so I replaced it with a basic RRS screw-tighten clamp . Positive locking and easier to work with gloves on too.

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    Re: Medium Format Pano's

    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    God I hate these posts.

    Jack, you do realize that this means a "cube" is in my future.
    Woody,

    Fret not... Just ask any of the three or four folks that recently bought them after the gentle pushing in the other thread --- I am confident not a single one will say they regretted the purchase after the first 15 minutes in the field with it
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    The only regret I have is that I didn't buy it sooner!

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