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    is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Received an email from Teamworks photo yesterday with an IQ150/DF+ kit price of 13995GBP and today for Credo50/DF+ for 12250GBP. This puts these in a reasonable spot with the Hassey back.

    In case it is real, and anyone one is interested, I thought I'd put it out there.

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    That's arounf $21K US for a new back and DF which is considerably less than the 30K list price of the 150 by itself. (I rounded up from 29950).

    It also makes sense on the DF+ as the new bodupy is coming sometime this year so I am sure Phase wants to move the remaining DF+ bodies.

    It will be interesting to see the US dealer channel comes out with a similar offer.

    On your side of the pond that's a great offer indeed.

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    This is from their website so it's real for now. The VAT hurts a bit.

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Paul, I have bought a few things from them in the past and they are quite reputable. Not sure what the shipping policy is with Phase as most manufacturers don't let dealers ship across territories, but VAT would not be charged on orders shipping out of the UK.

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Wow! Bummer, I wish I could have waited a few months for that price break! Bought in November last year. Oh well, knew the job was dangerous when I took it!
    Just thought I had 6mths price protection instead of 4. Things move quickly in MFD I guess.

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Yeah it is for real, Teamwork have been around for ages, I've bought from then on a number of occasions.

    Since the DF+ is around 4k (~US$6k) on its own, this basically puts the IQ150 @ 10k (~US$15k) and the Credo 50 @ 8250 (~US$12k). In terms of the DBs with the CMOS chip, the Credo 50 now looks like the pick of the bunch in terms of price vs performance.

    Following jlm's thread on using the CFV-50c with a Cambo Actus, you can appreciate just how much of a killer feature true live view is, and the possibilities it opens up. I was holding out for a used IQ180, but now I'm not so sure (though obviously this pricing is going to have a knock on effect for virtually every other DB in the used market place, so we'll see).

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Officially not sure if this is a price break worldwide as no US dealer is showing this pricing that I can see. Surprising to see this much of a out of line pricing with Phase One however.

    Paul

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Agreed, I'm sure we'll find out tomorrow when the dealers on this forum can comment. I am thinking this has to be a mistake for two reasons. Firstly, there would have been a lot of fanfare if there was such a significant drop, and secondly, it would be quite out of character for Phase.

    On the other hand, I doubt TW would have made a mistake on both the IQ and the Credo pricing if it was a typo.

    This makes the 50MP CMOS back just a little above the IQ140. This would, of course, be a more reasonable and natural price point from my perspective.

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    What confirms it for me on your side is the email you have and their published website price.

    The only thing that concerns me is that in their site when you click on the IQ150 the next box says click for a quote. So they won't allow you to make a web purchase at this price even though they list it at this price. That's a bit strange.

    It also seems to only apply to the IQ150/DF+ package. If you hit any other Phase One camera option, then the price is a quote only. It also states "While supplies last", so it seems they may have made a special purchase from Phase. It's anyone's guess, but you can add it to the cart!

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    I got this email and was shocked at the price cut, especially compared to the IQ250. What is missing off the 150 to get this price difference, live view?

    Is this a move in reaction to something Sony has up its sleeve and is about to announce......? Very unlike P1!

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    The 150 has only the 1 year warranty, no value add offering, and no WiFi. As I understand it everything else is the same. Both have live view.

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    As Paul says, no wifi tethering and 1 year warranty. With the Credo, I think you loose the focus mask as well - still something I don't understand, as it is a useful feature and just limited artificially in the Credo backs.
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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Quote Originally Posted by jagsiva View Post
    As Paul says, no wifi tethering and 1 year warranty. With the Credo, I think you loose the focus mask as well - still something I don't understand, as it is a useful feature and just limited artificially in the Credo backs.
    Which makes this price seem even stranger - a bargain in comparison.

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Maybe more a plan to move the crapshoot bodies than the back? New body nearly ready for release? That would make more sense, but I'm no expert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagsiva View Post
    ...you loose the focus mask as well - still something I don't understand, as it is a useful feature and just limited artificially in the Credo backs.
    Focus mask on a back with true live view just becomes a solution looking for a problem...

    ...unless you could implement it in real time during live view, now that would be neat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    Maybe more a plan to move the crapshoot bodies than the back?
    Makes sense, especially if they won't un-bundle the DB.

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    The only thing that concerns me is that in their site when you click on the IQ150 the next box says click for a quote...
    It's always been that way (sadly) - they don't seem to have noticed that it's 2015. DDI (another UK dealer) are in the 'phone for price' category as well. DTEK too sell P1, but a dollar to anyone who can find a price (or any sort of button to click).

    digitalback.com shows how it should be done.
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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Why is it that Hasselblad dealers generally list the price, but Phase / Leaf dealers don't? Is there a different dealer model at play?

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Glad I took the screenshots as they took the option off their site as of this morning. Yesterday you could add the package to their online cart. Gone today. Hope someone took advantage of it. Or they sold out!

    Still wonder if they will honor those emails they sent. I guess Phase asked them to take the pricing off their site.

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    I guess all the US dealers complained and they pulled the deal.

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Guys, as we suspected, it could just have been a mistake. Perhaps should not have happened twice (first on IQ150, then on Credo 50), but I doubt there is enough margin for just one dealer to run such an aggressive promo without Phase involved.

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Personally I don't see it as a mistake as they prepped their site and cart. The website also agreed with the numbers in your email and others also received the same pricing. They may have jumped the gun however. This is how Phase has marketed packages before mainly the IQ140 and Credo 40.

    Only they know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    The 150 has only the 1 year warranty, no value add offering, and no WiFi. As I understand it everything else is the same. Both have live view.

    Paul
    Not true...... a 2 year value added can be purchased for the Leaf any time during the first year.

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Quote Originally Posted by vjbelle View Post
    Not true...... a 2 year value added can be purchased for the Leaf any time during the first year.

    Victor
    I was not aware Leaf offered any value add type of warranty on the Credo's, where a loaner back is shipped out during the repair. I knew they had a 3 year warranty, that was all.

    Good to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    I was not aware Leaf offered any value add type of warranty on the Credo's, where a loaner back is shipped out during the repair. I knew they had a 3 year warranty, that was all.

    Good to know.

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    Leaf does not offer a loaner back during their warranty period - at least that I know of. The value added is to extend the warranty for an additional 2 years. I doubt whether I'll purchase it..... I have never had an issue with any digital back that I have owned and I currently have both the IQ180 and Leaf 50. All of my stuff is insured for any kind of damage including my being real clumsy.

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    This in my inbox this morning.



    Hi Mitch,

    Thanks for your email, and interest in our promo. This a UK offer only, are you based in the UK? Please advise and I will be happy to discuss things from there.

    Regards,

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    On 22 Mar 2015, at 23:11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

    I would like to buy your IQ150, DF+ kit advertised on your site. Please advise what to do next. Can do PP or wire txfr.

    Mitch
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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    This kind of geographic market segregation should have died out years ago.

    Maybe there's a UK equivalent to myus.com?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    The VAT hurts a bit.
    Living on Guernsey in the Channel Islands means that I don't get levied with VAT. That definitely helps when considering such an expensive purchase.
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    Pity they can't update the rest of the Teamwork site with such alacrity.
    S/H list from 12/02/15 and still "gift ideas" for Christmas - 2014 !!

    Generally:
    Are the S/H back prices for the "older" generation backs going South everywhere?

    A P30 (not plus) sold for 1730 (looked legit from Sweden)
    P25 non plus again is sticking at 2,000 from a dealer
    a P30+ sticking at 3,000
    H3D 39 several sold around 3,000
    H4D 50 went for 5,000 WITH 80mm lens looked good

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisLivsey View Post
    H4D 50 went for 5,000 WITH 80mm lens looked good
    Where did you see that, very tempting at that price?

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch View Post
    This in my inbox this morning.



    Hi Mitch,

    Thanks for your email, and interest in our promo. This a UK offer only, are you based in the UK? Please advise and I will be happy to discuss things from there.

    Regards,

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    On 22 Mar 2015, at 23:11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

    I would like to buy your IQ150, DF+ kit advertised on your site. Please advise what to do next. Can do PP or wire txfr.

    Mitch
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    Well Mitch, I still have a UK address and accent if it helps ...
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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Where did you see that, very tempting at that price?
    Hasselblad H4D-50 + HC802.8 with box | eBay

    Looked legit, and believe me I have reported so many fraud attempts on Hasselblad gear you wouldn't believe.
    Low feedback but answered question as expected if I'd been more interested I would have done more due diligence but I thought it would go higher and waste my time checking. Only query is nothing in feedback on this deal.
    Given the issues I would always buy from a known dealer but these prices are a useful lever.

    There is a body only for 5,500 BIN and known seller, posts on another site we all know.
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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Well Mitch, I still have a UK address and accent if it helps ...
    Graham-- I have been lusting to use live view on my Rm. Seriously, do you think we could avoid VAT? Pretty compelling price without VAT. Short of that,
    Peter's 250 would be the simpler deal. I am scheduled for a total Rt knee replacement next week so by the time I could make use of it this pricing could change. Dante, on the other hand, is insisting... GET IT NOW.
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    I completely agree, my 250 would be the simpler deal and on top of that you get wifi and a personal greeting card from me
    Ohh and no VAT to boot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch View Post
    Graham-- I have been lusting to use live view on my Rm. Seriously, do you think we could avoid VAT? Pretty compelling price without VAT. Short of that,
    Peter's 250 would be the simpler deal. I am scheduled for a total Rt knee replacement next week so by the time I could make use of it this pricing could change. Dante, on the other hand, is insisting... GET IT NOW.
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    You can't avoid VAT if the delivery address is in the UK, as Teamwork would be obliged to charge the VAT on a purchase. As it is a UK only promotion, i'm not sure if there is a way to buy it and then claim the VAT back on a personal export from HMRC?

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Quote Originally Posted by carl-b View Post
    You can't avoid VAT if the delivery address is in the UK, as Teamwork would be obliged to charge the VAT on a purchase. As it is a UK only promotion, i'm not sure if there is a way to buy it and then claim the VAT back on a personal export from HMRC?
    Yes the VAT would be levied unless delivered outside the UK (and if shipped to the U.S. there would presumably be import duty). A personal export as described would allow for a vat reclaim when leaving the uk but you would have to pay vat at the time of purchase.

    You'd probably need to think in terms of service/warranty too.

    Peter's private sale IQ250 with its longer warranty and wifi probably is the most attractive option today

    Mitch: live view on a technical camera IS a complete game changer in my experience so far. I'm rethinking why I would ever not shoot with my Alpa vs any MF dslr since I'm a landscape shooter. The compelling use cases for my Sony A7r setups with t/s lenses when I travel also are diminished too - the CMOS back and 4 lenses isn't any bigger or heavier than my Sonys and lenses.
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    So, you'd have to be in the UK and Teamwork would need to be registered for the VAT Export Scheme.

    This UK Govt. page has all the necessary info.

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    [QUOTE=GrahamWelland

    Mitch: live view on a technical camera IS a complete game changer in my experience so far. I'm rethinking why I would ever not shoot with my Alpa vs any MF dslr since I'm a landscape shooter. The compelling use cases for my Sony A7r setups with t/s lenses when I travel also are diminished too - the CMOS back and 4 lenses isn't any bigger or heavier than my Sonys and lenses.[/QUOTE]

    Graham: A bit OT but, yes those are my instincts. For me the carry-on kit would be the Factum, SK60 (pretty much lives on camera), SK120 (again for weight), plus
    MM and a couple of lenses. Gotta have my Cube, tho

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    The SK60 is one lens that no one has really tried yet and I hope it does well also. The first testing done a year ago there were some reported issues with the SK60 with shifts. Hope to test one soon.

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    I own the Leaf 50 and SK60 and have not experienced any shifting issues. Granted I keep my shifting to about 10mm so I can't speak to shifting beyond that. I have also found that many times shifting vs panning is not always the best choice. 5 degrees of pan is equal to 10mm of shift and stitches together just as easily.

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Quote Originally Posted by vjbelle View Post
    I own the Leaf 50 and SK60 and have not experienced any shifting issues. Granted I keep my shifting to about 10mm so I can't speak to shifting beyond that. I have also found that many times shifting vs panning is not always the best choice. 5 degrees of pan is equal to 10mm of shift and stitches together just as easily.

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    Thanks. I like to take the 60 up to 20mm on the 260 but I figure if I can get 15mm I can live. Such a huge IC hard to waste it. I agree that when allowed I will pan as that give the best all round solution and the 50 is easy to get nodal. But it still means being level and I can't always get there.

    When I used the 60 on the Sony a7r with the DSLR2. I found I could get to around 18mm unless I was working with a pure blue sky as then the color cast was pretty harsh.

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    The SK60 is one lens that no one has really tried yet and I hope it does well also. The first testing done a year ago there were some reported issues with the SK60 with shifts. Hope to test one soon.

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    Thanks Doug for sharing effective/usable IC data.

    What's the fate of 28 HR?

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    Re: is this IQ150/Credo 50 pricing for real?

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    We included the 60XL in our comprehensive tech camera test:
    Phase One IQ250 Tech Cam Testing - DT Blog
    Sadly very old data. No CF was used on the 60 and even the blog mentions that further testing might happen in the future. Initial results were not good for the 60 XL showing only 70mm of IC was usable. 120mm is full IC.

    Maybe further tests in the future.

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