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    Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    Just received. I heard It is only 4 bodies in worldwide.
    Beta test version, so Don't load camera raw or c1pro. Only DPP in canon.

    1st feeling is COOL , awesome image.



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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    Tease.

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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    There's a lot more than four bodies out there

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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    There's a lot more than four bodies out there
    Tell us more - we need some juicy examples please of what this camera can do....

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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    1st test in studio.


    this link to download screen shot
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.us.v...2b62e2b999d43c

    Just tested outdoor now. not develop yet.
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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    Great thread, keep on shooting images...
    Shoot a color checker please.
    Shoot some people too!
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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    Thanks for sharing Chiek.

    These crops show the superiority of the bigger sensors. Unfortunately for them, justification of expenditure went yet another notch down.

    I assume all beta (4?) testers around the world are required to use Canon glass. Once we see tests done with Otus, the IQ advantage will be even less.

    Eduardo

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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    How's the viewfinder? Can you manual-focus by eye, or is it strictly live view?

    I'm worried that it will have a fuzzy 5d3-like viewfinder which means you have to trust the autofocus or use it like a technical cam. Has Canon realized that a 50 mpx camera that can't be focused is no sharper than a 20 mpx camera that can.

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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    Quote Originally Posted by Bernard View Post
    How's the viewfinder? Can you manual-focus by eye, or is it strictly live view?

    I'm worried that it will have a fuzzy 5d3-like viewfinder which means you have to trust the autofocus or use it like a technical cam. Has Canon realized that a 50 mpx camera that can't be focused is no sharper than a 20 mpx camera that can.
    Both are perfect focus in live view.
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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    Quote Originally Posted by Giorgio View Post
    Shoot some people too!
    +1

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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    HC50-110 set to 100 / 24-70II set to 70
    ISO 100 F9, 1/160sec (fastest sync speed to 5ds)

    Why f9 ? not F5.6~8 ?
    Because of Studio Flash minimum output… Can't down it.







    very similar to 39Mpx single shot and 50Mpx 5ds
    but definitely win 39Mpx multishot.

    You can download 2560x1600, 100% images,
    http://chiek.viewbook.com/5ds
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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    WOW didn't expect that..... 5Ds shot is stunning!

    I wonder if the R version would level peg with the MS digi back?
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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    I wonder if the R version would level peg with the MS digi back?
    39Mpx files are a slightly better than 5ds, but very similar…

    In my opinion, 5ds files are like over unsharp mask in PS.
    but it has 50Mpx detail, enough to compare MF digital back.
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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    Quote Originally Posted by chiek View Post
    In my opinion, 5ds files are like over unsharp mask in PS.
    That doesn't sound attractive, do you think this is down to some background capture sharpening of the RAW file in camera?

    I wasn't expecting the 5DS to be as good as your images show so a very pleasant surprise. Having seen your files I'm now looking into a Cambo Acuts and RS/SK lenses as the camera looks very capable. I can't wait to see what Sony's answer to this is.

    Have you shot any exterior images with the cameras yet as I'd love to see some fine detail like concrete, tarmac, leaves, railings, grass, gravel, brickwork etc that MFDB's render very well.

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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    Wow, amazing detail on all examples. A great option for Canon shooters, for sure. I wonder how Canon and even Zeiss's lenses stack up though, but I guess in time there will be more like the Otus. Here's hoping they up the anti and incorperate auto focus sometime soon.

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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    Gigantic WOW!!!
    For my 62 year eyes the 5DS looks (thin statement) as good as the CF39. In MS mode, the CF39 looks a hair better than the 5DS.
    I would expect the 5DSr to easily match the CF39 in single-shot mode.
    Can I say ¡Wow! again?
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    P.S. We may be witnessing the dawn of a new era.

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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    I've always thought that a good DSLR is a good complement to a MFDB. It's been much too long, but I think we Canon shooters may have finally got our "D800" complement that we've been asking for...

    Fingers-crossed for Dante's approval

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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    Don't forget that Sony is rumored to be about ready to introduce their 50-mepixel camera sometime this year. It's going to get very interesting....
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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    Hi,

    The 24-70/2.8 LSII is a very good lens according to Roger Ciala over at LensRentals. Just to say, Chiek stops down the Canon a bit beyond optimum, that would probably be more like 5.6, but he is limited by the minimum light output of his studio flash.

    We need to wait for proper raw files for final judgement.

    Best regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    Wow, amazing detail on all examples. A great option for Canon shooters, for sure. I wonder how Canon and even Zeiss's lenses stack up though, but I guess in time there will be more like the Otus. Here's hoping they up the anti and incorperate auto focus sometime soon.

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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    Hi,

    It is just that 2015 may become a very long year…

    I am waiting for that 'Sony A9' and thinking about buying a really good short telephoto lens for it.

    Best regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Libby View Post
    Don't forget that Sony is rumored to be about ready to introduce their 50-mepixel camera sometime this year. It's going to get very interesting....

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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    I am too waiting for the A9. But in case that Sony hit a plateau, the 5Ds/r announcements are very fortunate as my FF glass is Canon L.
    Eduardo


    Quote Originally Posted by ErikKaffehr View Post
    Hi,
    It is just that 2015 may become a very long year…
    I am waiting for that 'Sony A9' and thinking about buying a really good short telephoto lens for it.
    Best regards
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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    Hi,

    Do you need a lot of DR? Otherwise, why not stay with Canon?

    Canon makes great lenses, with Sony I am less sure.

    Best regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uaiomex View Post
    I am too waiting for the A9. But in case that Sony hit a plateau, the 5Ds/r announcements are very fortunate as my FF glass is Canon L.
    Eduardo

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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    Right, my main glass is Canon. I don't mind using a slow adapter. My Sony glass is aps-c only (so far).

    I'd like more DR as my main commercial is interior and my main personal is landscapes. For neither I need AF or fast FPS. So I think Sony would fit me better and much possibly at less cost.

    But I have to admit the 5DS's look better everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErikKaffehr View Post
    Hi,

    Do you need a lot of DR? Otherwise, why not stay with Canon?

    Canon makes great lenses, with Sony I am less sure.

    Best regards
    Erik

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    Re: Just received 5ds and testing VS my CF-39MS in same lens conditions

    Just upload 4 files
    5ds default sharpen / No sharpen
    CF-39ms default sharpen / No sharpen

    You can download this link, last 4 files.
    http://chiek.viewbook.com/5ds

    5ds JPG file size is approx 20MB but 39ms(single) JPG file is approx 4~5MB.
    5ds developed from canon DPP4, CF-39MS from PHOCUS latest version.
    Raw file sizes are similar (5ds : 56MB, CF-39MS : 54MB, CF-39MS multi : 198MB)
    Why???
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