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    Monitor recommendations?

    Hello all,

    The time has come for me to get a new monitor - which I have not done for years. I am keen to get something really good that will last me a long time, though am hoping that it will fall in the 'expensive but not quite ridiculous' category.

    My criteria are:
    Size (27 inches or more)
    Resolution (ppi) much as possible of course- I believe 109 or more is available?
    Pixel dimensions (2560 x 1440 or more)
    Colour reproduction
    Colour space (Adobe RGB or better?)
    Contrast ratio / quality of blacks
    LED backlighting
    IPS (or PLS if Samsung)
    USB hub - nice to have
    Inputs (I guess this means HDMI or DVI - though I'm not sure what my next machine will have!)
    Swivel capability and easy adjustability
    Portrait rotation (nice to have - not really concerned about this)
    Supplied with light shade

    Does anyone have any recommendations that meet these requirements? I suspect, as always, that Dante will want me to sell a kidney, but interested in options!

    Many thanks in advance :-)

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    If you are willing, take a look at the Eizo range. Expensive (what a surprise) but fantastic colour reproduction and the dearer models have built in calibration. I have a 24" without a self-calibrator that I just plug my Spyder or ColorMunki into and it is the best monitor I've ever owned. Can't comment on other brands but I'm very happy with the Eizo. Cost me $AUS1650 I think and I did not opt for the shade.

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    I would rather wait a year or so. Now is not the best moment to buy a monitor, as we are witnessing a generation change. 4K monitors are out, but the first models adapted to the special needs of photographers have just been released. Interfaces capable of running 4K monitors are still a bit of a problem for high bit depth monitors.

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    Sadly I can't wait, as my old one is dying on its feet...

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    Re: Monitor recommendations?

    And LG just "outed" Apple as having an 8k monitor later this year. Hardly confirmation, but nevertheless may be some truth in this..

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    Ed, take a look at Dell UltraSharp U2713H 27". Doesn't come with a shade, but checks all other boxes.
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    Hi Ed,

    The Eizo self-calibrating monitors are so convenient but expensive. The NEC Pro monitors are generally considered as good, but cheaper. There is some great information at Just Monitors in Melbourne: Just Monitors

    The NEC is still $1950 for a 27" model but the Eizo is $2750 for the LED and $3520 for the LCD version. The Eizo Flexscan range is cheaper at $1249 and I use one of those as a secondary monitor which is just as accurate as my ColorEdge. You just need to factor in a calibrator with the latter which you may already have.

    I find Apple monitors are so bright and contrasty that images that look great on the monitor are disappointing when printed but you can get used to it to some degree and compensate by processing images brighter and more contrasty so they look good when printed. Of course the problem is these days that images have to look good for BOTH print and screen, because so many images are used across several media. So a compromise sometimes has to be made when processing so it looks good everywhere.

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    The NEC current lineup is a good one to consider. They have a 27 and 30 inch both with spectravision. They don't ship with the cover as rhe Ezio ones do but you purchase it separately.

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    The NEC PA 27x is a great monitor with hardware calibration. For $950, I'm not sure it can be beat. I have two of these and they have all the other features (IPS, swivel etc.) you are looking for as well.

    4K - I have a couple of Dell UP3214Q monitors. They have hardware calibration and have OEM X-rite software as well. The are stunning to look at .....beware of growing pains on 4K.

    - DP1.2 barely has enough bandwidth to get 60Hz out.
    - DP1.3 is be out in the next year or so
    - GPU vendors are just getting to a point where drivers are stabilizing

    5K - there is of course the new iMAC and Dell monitor. Same issues as 4K.

    Having said this, after editing on these 32" screens, it is hard to go back and look at 2500x1400.

    Again, the NEC PA series is hard to beat for performance/price. I think there are a few other guys around here with them.

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    Re: Monitor recommendations?

    Ed, I'm using the NEC PA301W and love it. It's a 30" monitor and I wouldn't go back to 27" or less. The newer NEC PA302W is highly rated and often offered at a discount at B&H. Not that it makes a difference, but Lloyd Chambers (diglloyd.com) rates this monitor highly, too.

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    Last year I bought an NEC PA272W plus calibration tool and a shade, which ended up around $1,300 with tax. I thought I really wanted an Eizo, but the salesman convinced me there there is very little practical difference and I'd be paying considerably more.

    The PA272 is a massive and solid chunk of a device since it's built over a metal frame, which I take as a sign of quality, and it pretty much ticks all of your boxes minus the hood, which is sold separately. Eizo is pretty much the only company that packs a nice hood into the box... the Asus Proart series does have them in the box, but it glues to the display rather than snapping on into place. The Eizo hood is better in one aspect in that it can be mounted on the display in either landscape or portrait, while the NEC one is only landscape.

    With regards to 30" 1600p monitors - after browsing many display review sites while looking for a display, I've learned that they are on the whole technically worse than 27" displays. Everything people don't like about IPS displays is more apparent, like IPS glow, much slower response times and other such issues.

    For 4K and 5K I'd wait for a while until professional displays come down in price, and after seeing and using the 5K iMac, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to feel about the technology. Having used 27" 1440p for years now, I'm used to the level of magnification it offers when looking at images, and to me it's a nice blend between having a high PPI and the pixels being too small to properly pixel-peep. For a computer that is also 4-5 years newer than mine, I was also disappointed by how sluggish it was, the resolution really takes it's toll.
    Apple has the advantage of being able to tailor the OS scaling to their displays, and experience with the retina display on the macbooks means they have a head start over Windows users with regards to scaling support, but I still think that both Windows and OS X need more work done before being ready for UHD.

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    I've used NEC monitors for critical imaging work in the past. Can't recommend them highly enough for durability and relative low cost to high performance value. It's usually where I start and end and I think you'd have to buy a much more expensive Eizo to barely surpass (in tangible results) the NEC's.
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    Re: Monitor recommendations?

    When you use such a monitor the calibration software should also be a decisive part.
    Too, the monitor should be able to emulate color spaces.
    With this is mind you are pretty much down to Eizo, NEC (or Quato, if at all available in Australia).
    Personally I do like the top of the line Eizos ("CG" and "CX" lines) in conjunction with their "Color Navigator" software ... but NEC basically provides the same functionality (and the NEC software is also really good... and even more versatile than Eizos software). Display-wise the somewhat "crystal" looking panels of the "PA"- and "Spectraview" NECs confuse me a bit. The Eizos are a bit more matte... or "cleaner" if you want so. Mind you this a very personal perception and the difference is not that large. Still there is a difference. On the ohter hand there are users that favor the NEC panels precisely because of the "crystal" look.
    Also to take into account: due to its LED backlight the Eizo CG277 has a builtin fan. It's not loud but it may play a role for you (personally I would never buy a display with a builtin fan ... but I also have no reservations to use a display without LED-backlight).

    edit... BTW: I still use an "old" Eizo CG241W. It's 7.5 years old and ran for 17300 hours. The gamut lost a bit in volume (blue chanel dies faster ... but RGB Gain and luminance compensate this loss). It's still something like 90% of AdobeRGB. The uniformity is still almost as "new" (very, very low drift in color temperatur and luminance over the panel's plane). So this is really a trusty device and of course this is also why I am a bit biased towards the Eizos.

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    I recently bought the 4K Dell P2715Q for my Mac nMP for $600. Works fine.
    Stunning display. That will tie me over until Apple has a monitor I like.
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    Does anybody have experience about the LG 31MU97 ? At least it's big :-)

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    Re: Monitor recommendations?

    Has anyone of you guys ever thought of a square monitor ?

    Here is one . The EIZO EV2730Q . That gives you the best for landscape and portrait oriented images . Not cheap , but surely good .
    Has anyone that monitor ? ? ? If so , what are your experiences ? ? ?
    That monitor is on my wishlist top .
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    I've been using two NEC 30" monitors for at least 5 yrs now, had Samsung before that. The NEC are superb, wonderful to work with, the calibration is tricky because you have to use the Spectraview software something that you don't realize initially. NEC monitors do not allow third party software to control the display.

    A friend of mine bought two 32" 4K Sharp monitors. These are amazingly clear and sharp (perhaps a bit too much). The problem is that he cannot read the text especially in browsers without a magnifying glass or squinting significantly. This is a problem and though can be adjusted perhaps through a change in the font size, it did not seem to be an easy fix.

    The monitors do look gorgeous though, and the panoramic display suits images very well, since it gives them a 1.77 ratio instead of the typical 1.6 with the current monitors.

    The Sharp 4K 32" currently go for around $2499 at B&H. Waiting for something from NEC or Eizo and probably a bit affordable to come through. Until then I am happy to carry on with my current displays.

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    Here you go Pradeep
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    Waiting for something from NEC or Eizo and probably a bit affordable to come through. Until then I am happy to carry on with my current displays.
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    I had an older 30" Eizo which died on me last fall and then got this instead: ColorEdge CG277 | EIZO
    Great monitor, no complains. Quiet and cool...
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    +1 for NEC. I bought an NEC PA272-SV last year and I'm perfectly happy with it. Had my heart set on the Eizo CG277, but decided to go with the NEC and buy more storage/RAM instead. No regrets. The only annoying thing is that the hood is sold separately. The -SV designation means it comes with the spectra view software as well as a calibration tool (NEC branded xrite I think), the NEC monitors can be purchased with or without these tools so watch out for that when purchasing. I'm running that alongside an Apple Thunderbolt Display and often view on both displays when making adjustments.

    This being the inferno and all, Pemihan above linked to the Eizo 31" CG318-4k....that just became available here in the states so you could also go that route too and test it out for us. Nevermind the fact you could get two CG277's with cash to spare for the price haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcdeveau View Post
    The -SV designation means it comes with the spectra view software as well as a calibration tool (NEC branded xrite I think), the NEC monitors can be purchased with or without these tools so watch out for that when purchasing.
    Due to a discount that was going on at the time it was actually cheaper for me to buy the display and calibration tool separately, since they're "different products" and the SV version was not discounted. Something to keep in mind.

    This being the inferno and all, Pemihan above linked to the Eizo 31" CG318-4k....that just became available here in the states so you could also go that route too and test it out for us. Nevermind the fact you could get two CG277's with cash to spare for the price haha.
    Heh, Eizo never fails to find ways to make sure their displays are the most expensive, but that 9ms response rating though - one thing's for sure that display is meant for looking at images and not moving them around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pemihan View Post
    Here you go Pradeep
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    Sigh...... at $5979, I think I will wait a bit longer Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolor-Pikker View Post
    Due to a discount that was going on at the time it was actually cheaper for me to buy the display and calibration tool separately, since they're "different products" and the SV version was not discounted. Something to keep in mind.
    I did the same thing. The monitor (PA-271W in my case) and then the Spectraview software which I use with a Colormunki sensor. Very happy with the NEC wide spectrum monitor.
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    Wow everyone - thanks so much for the advice. Really helpful! Apologies for the slow response on my part - been a pretty made week.

    I'll update on what I do and how the results are working out for me :-)

    Warmest regards, my friends.

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    Hi ED,

    I have the Eizo CG277. Haven't looked back.
    Have a look at this:

    Eizo ColorEdge LCD Monitors at Image Science

    Nice bit of information.
    I believe the NEC 30" allows portrait rotation during work.

    Best regards.

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    I am really content with my NEC PA271W (theres the PA272W now which is even better)

    There's a 31' 4k display which offers 99% adobe RGB coverage, and is around $3000. If I were in the market for a monitor, and had the funds, that may be the one I'd go with. Or if on a budget and wanting more than one, I'd get two PA272W and be pretty set with that. I haven't personally seen a 4k monitor, but can't imagine the jump from 2560 to 4000 would be worth the extra money that it currently costs to do so.
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    dell 2715q. best 4k for the money

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    The Dell 27 is not an IPS panel, it is a TN panel, hence the lower price. Only the 24 and 32 are IPS as far as I know.

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    Re: Monitor recommendations?

    I have a NEC 301W and added a 302w side by side, calibrated with SpectraView II, and I also use a NEC 272w at a second location.

    I really like the controls available and the quality of the image. I’m pretty content, I’m not sure 4K offers much other than perhaps with sharpening evaulation, and to be honest using Photoshop on my retina display laptop is sort of a pita because 100% just doesn’t zoom me in close enough to evaluate detail anyway.
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    Eizo ColorEdge CG277. Built in color correction, you can schedule it to be done automatically via the free Color Navigator software, and the color is just dead on. Biggest thing to me, however, is viewing angle...it just does not change, not a bit, whereas the Dells are slightly more noticeable to my eye.
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    I'd go with Dell. What about Dell U3014

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    Those are all really nice monitors Best Monitor for Photo Editing and Photography 2015

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    Re: Monitor recommendations?

    Erol

    That is quite an interesting list of monitors .
    I wonder that EIZO is not even mentioned .

    But more than that , i am very surprised that everbody seems to like the 16:9 and/or the 16:10 ratio .
    I don't , not at all . I would very much like a ratio of 4:5 or square .
    Unfortunately there are only very few monitors with my desired ratio on the market and also I don't
    know if the EIZO EV2730Q is as good as an EIZO Color Edge and good enough for photographic purposes .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerimar View Post
    There's a 31' 4k display which offers 99% adobe RGB coverage, and is around $3000. If I were in the market for a monitor, and had the funds, that may be the one I'd go with.
    Which one is that?

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    I believe he was referring to the NEC 31" 4K.
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    But more than that , i am very surprised that everbody seems to like the 16:9 and/or the 16:10 ratio .
    I don't , not at all . I would very much like a ratio of 4:5 or square .
    Unfortunately there are only very few monitors with my desired ratio on the market
    Even if I'm looking at one of my images in its native format, which is often less wide than the display, I still like having space on either side for toolbars in Photoshop. For movie editing or watching it's also a convenient size, since many photographers are expected to shoot video now too.

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    Re: Monitor recommendations?

    We can't help too much on the variety of options since the only monitor we sell is Eizo. They are indeed the most expensive. However, pricing has come down some in the past 12 months or so. A 27" CG277 is now in the $2,300 range. Also, the CX Models are an excellent value, as they take a CG277 and remove the ability to create a new calibration with the built-in device. Instead, you calibrate with a 3rd party calibrator (Color Munki, EyeOne, etc) but importantly, with Color Navigator, and then the built-in calibrator will return to that original calibration each time you run it, thereby instituting consistency (which is one of the most important factors). And the 27" CX Models start around $1,400 - $1,500 (CX-271).

    The one thing I will say is that when you buy a quality display, you are generally going to use it for a good 5-7 years (hopefully - the Eizo displays have 5 year warranties), so my rule of thumb is take your 1st choice and your 2nd choice, divide the difference in cost by the number of months you'll likely own it, say 72 months for 6 years. Then quantify if your preferred choice is worth that extra amount each month to work on every day. A $500 difference comes out to $7 more per month, which I'd gladly pay to work on the best display every day for 6 years.


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    Re: Monitor recommendations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    ...so my rule of thumb is take your 1st choice and your 2nd choice, divide the difference in cost by the number of months you'll likely own it, say 72 months for 6 years. Then quantify if your preferred choice is worth that extra amount each month to work on every day...
    I used that [perfectly sound] logic to convince my wife about a new [expensive] car. I projected that I'd own it for 100 years but she didn't buy the argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Colson View Post
    I used that [perfectly sound] logic to convince my wife about a new [expensive] car. I projected that I'd own it for 100 years but she didn't buy the argument.

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    Alright, well Joe, wives are a little bit smarter than that!

    And to extend that further, no, I am not happy with your expensive new car purchase attempt either!


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    in the cheap side, but only a 24"... the Eizo Ecran ColorEdge CS240
    is a great value for money !

    i have a 27" colorEdge myself, and i would stick with Eizo if i had to change it !

    5 years warranty comes with Eizo

    Dell are not in the same league !

    Some good stuff from Nec as well, but the Eizo software is really good !

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    Are folks here happy doing post processing and retouching on a 4K monitor?

    What if any issues are there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithL View Post
    Are folks here happy doing post processing and retouching on a 4K monitor?

    What if any issues are there?
    I would love to hear about these issues as well. I am in the market for a new monitor and have been debating the merits of the new 31" NEC UHD display. I have been told by OWC that I can update my 2009 Mac Pro with a new video card, the Sapphire 7950 Mac Edition, to run that display.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcubell View Post
    I would love to hear about these issues as well. I am in the market for a new monitor and have been debating the merits of the new 31" NEC UHD display. I have been told by OWC that I can update my 2009 Mac Pro with a new video card, the Sapphire 7950 Mac Edition, to run that display.
    The 7950 will run the display, but going by the raw numbers it seems roughly comparable to the M290X in the 5K iMac, which I found sluggish in use. To its credit, it has to drive a less demanding display, isn't as constrained by power usage, and you'll have a much beefier CPU(s) backing it.

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    Re: Monitor recommendations?

    Quote Originally Posted by hcubell View Post
    I would love to hear about these issues as well. I am in the market for a new monitor and have been debating the merits of the new 31" NEC UHD display. I have been told by OWC that I can update my 2009 Mac Pro with a new video card, the Sapphire 7950 Mac Edition, to run that display.
    I have been able to connect my old mac pro with 7950 to the Dell 4K Up3214Q and works like a charm. The card only supports to 30Hz at 4K resolution though.

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    Editing with 3x 4K monitors at 60Hz on Windows 8.1 Pro is not a problem at all. Running R9 295X2 and two R9 290X GPUs.

    BTW, C1 appears to scale a lot better than Photoshop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagsiva View Post
    Running R9 295X2 and two R9 290X GPUs.
    Oh my, that's roughly 900W of peak power you have under the hood just from the GPUs, I'm guessing your room doesn't need a space heater then?

    If I were to build a PC with more than one graphics card today, it would almost certainly use Nvidia Maxwell-based cards, since they run significantly cooler than just about anything else. Even the Titan X uses less than half the power of the 295x2 at full load, and some 25% less at idle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolor-Pikker View Post
    Oh my, that's roughly 900W of peak power you have under the hood just from the GPUs, I'm guessing your room doesn't need a space heater then?

    If I were to build a PC with more than one graphics card today, it would almost certainly use Nvidia Maxwell-based cards, since they run significantly cooler than just about anything else. Even the Titan X uses less than half the power of the 295x2 at full load, and some 25% less at idle.
    It was loud and hot even with just the two 290X cards. With the 295x2, it is just ridiculous, so system will be water cooled. Power supply is 1500W, so works fine.

    Nvidia cards are nice too, but I felt there was better support for OpenCL/GL with the AMDs when I got the system.

    Will post some pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagsiva View Post
    I have been able to connect my old mac pro with 7950 to the Dell 4K Up3214Q and works like a charm. The card only supports to 30Hz at 4K resolution though.
    Thanks. For photographic applications, does the 30Hz refresh rate v. 60Hz matter? Anything else noticeable?
    A friend has the 2013 Mac Pro with the Sharp 4K monitor and he told me that the one thing he dislikes is that the UI in Photoshop CC is very small. I thought there was some way of scaling up the UI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcubell View Post
    Thanks. For photographic applications, does the 30Hz refresh rate v. 60Hz matter? Anything else noticeable?
    A friend has the 2013 Mac Pro with the Sharp 4K monitor and he told me that the one thing he dislikes is that the UI in Photoshop CC is very small. I thought there was some way of scaling up the UI.
    The comparison of 30 vs 60 is only in Windows, and I would say you get used to it quickly for photo editing. Small things like the mouse pointer moving are a little different.

    As for scaling, the OS X offers some flexibility to getting working well. I generally like my fonts/icons small anyway, but I have found it very workable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithL View Post
    Are folks here happy doing post processing and retouching on a 4K monitor?

    What if any issues are there?
    My concerns re 4K monitors and retouching/post processing are more to do with image size on screen than performance. Do I really want to work on files that fill the screen at 50%?

    I'm not sure, but would appreciate feedback from others.
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