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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    I just saw the price for the 50MP XF kit--$41,000. That is quite an upgrade. I thought a Leica S system was expensive...
    One thing's for sure - the S is still the best looking camera there is.

    And the most comfortable.

    Even though I have the 645Z I'd still want an S007 if I won the lottery or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobalobo View Post
    Well, I already have a Surface Pro 3 and that's a start. All I need now is another $41,000 and I'm set. ...
    C'mon in, the waters fine.

    Seriously, you'll like what the SP3 produces over the ipad. Ipad is fine for framing, but not critical work. Glare is an issue on any viewing device screen on location.

    I like that list on the IQ3. I gotta keep convincing myself I only want the XF camera body....

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Doug - how does this 80mp sensor differ from the 'old' 80mp sensor?

    I hear you on long exposures, but that's of use to very particular group of photographers - whereas for the rest of us... is there more DR? much better high ISO? Less noise? something else?

    without any of these, in a meaningful way, not simply pixel peeping, I can't see many IQ180 users upgrading.
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by f8orbust View Post
    Obviously a lot to like, but a few stand out issues for me are:

    1. A WLF but you can’t rotate the back. Doh. But, who knows, maybe a rotating back is on the drawing board in the years ahead.

    2. No Contax mount - kinda understand that but so many of those cameras and great glass out there.

    3. No P+ support on the XF - that’s a biggie. Obviously it would have been a PITA to offer full support, but you would think P1 could have engineered a simple ‘trigger’ signal.

    4. No vertical grip.

    5. Their line up is now looking as muddled as GMs before the crash of ’08/'09. So (deep breath) we have the IQ140, IQ150, IQ160, IQ180, IQ250, IQ260, IQ280, IQ350, IQ360, and IQ380 ... with the same chip between the 150, 250 and 350, the same chip between the 160, 260 and 360, and the same chip between the 180 and 280.

    6. CCD not CMOS. Makes you wonder if its economically viable to get a custom 80MP CMOS chip fabricated, or if they’ll just piggy back on whatever Sony produces for the broader market. Which, sadly, means chips that primarily perform well on DSLRs.

    5. Pricing. I know, I know it’s on old rant. Still, the price per pixel on a P1 back is now only 1/6th the price it was 17 years ago. By comparison the price per pixel on a ’35mm’ DSLR is 1/30th the price. That’s what a lack of competition gets you.

    Jim
    On the sensors, I believe it's a lot simpler than that.

    They are not listing the IQ2 series sensors at all in context of the XF (except for the Achromatoc).

    Kind regards,

    Gerald.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Is there a price listed for the new 35mm LS lens?

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Thanks for all the info Doug - first class. Any word on weather seals? I know it has covers over ports, but does the body have some additional seals/weather features for use outside the studio?

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by rhern213 View Post
    Is there a price listed for the new 35mm LS lens?
    $6490 is the list price.

    Wait until you see the performance. We should have sample images up tonight.
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Emm View Post
    Thanks for all the info Doug - first class. Any word on weather seals? I know it has covers over ports, but does the body have some additional seals/weather features for use outside the studio?
    Not claimed to be weather sealed. Like all gear P1 makes the build quality is excellent and I personally won't hesitate to use it in light or moderate rain. But I wouldn't stick it under a waterfall.
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Lobalobo View Post
    Well, I already have a Surface Pro 3 and that's a start. All I need now is another $41,000 and I'm set. More seriously, my thoughts on the importance of wifi for a tech camera comes from my experience with large format film. It is cumbersome to bring and go under cloth to see the focusing screen, however sharp and clear, and having the image on an ipad that could be viewed by moving the device to the shade would seem a real convenience. If not, though, then I'm even more surprised Phase One can charge what it does for wifi connectivity.
    Well, if you buy the XF you get a nice Pelican style case that comes with a laptop display shade so you can also then get the ultimate SPro 3 experience and an armored case to go with it

    How'd I do Ken with the 'enabling'??
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    I just saw the price for the 50MP XF kit--$41,000. That is quite an upgrade. I thought a Leica S system was expensive...
    That now makes the 645Z a steal at under $8k.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Well, if you buy the XF you get a nice Pelican style case that comes with a laptop display shade so you can also then get the ultimate SPro 3 experience and an armored case to go with it

    How'd I do Ken with the 'enabling'??
    You forgot the Elk skin strap and Phase mints...

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    That now makes the 645Z a steal at under $8k.
    And apparently they are having a rep special that includes the 55/2,8'at that price...

    Just sayin'
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    I feel somewhat desensitized to the XF body price these days after having owned several $8k Nikon DSLR bodies at launch and several more expensive lenses than I'd care to admit to with that system. I'm not really champing at the bit for another MF DSLR body since I'm a technical camera shooter at heart, but I'd be remiss if I didn't admit to hankering for this latest very capable looking XF body that might, just might, get me out using my Phase One lenses again more often.

    I'm going to have to avoid laying hands on one for a while I think.
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Since I'm a technical camera shooter at heart.
    Just out of curiosity, what back(s) do you use?

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    oh boy
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I feel somewhat desensitized to the XF body price these days after having owned several $8k Nikon DSLR bodies at launch and several more expensive lenses than I'd care to admit to with that system.
    At least Nikon gave you a complete camera for that price.

    Also, I just noticed that the IQ350 has a capture rate about half of what the 645Z is pushing, is there a technical reason for that, or are Phase just matching the capture speed to the back's tethering limits?
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    It's an impressive camera body for sure. It's a bit disappointing that the AF is still center only and thus requires focus/recompose unless subject is centered. Phase seems to have a reason for this, but I could not find any descriptions in any of the online reviews.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    It's an impressive camera body for sure. It's a bit disappointing that the AF is still center only and thus requires focus/recompose unless subject is centered. Phase seems to have a reason for this, but I could not find any descriptions in any of the online reviews.

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    It'll depend on the coverage of the AF sensor in relation to the imaging area, but otherwise the sensor itself is a contiguous surface, so it could be made to "emulate" any array of virtual points that you wish.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Yes a lot more to be seen on the AF.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul2660 View Post
    Yes a lot more to be seen on the AF.

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    Autofocus is not something you can get a feel for from a spec sheet or article.

    We (Digital Transitions) got a preview of this system a week ago, and seeing the autofocus performance we rethought our entire "launch plan." We've scheduled Phase One XF Events in NYC, Chicago, Houston, Dallas, Denver, San Francisco, Miami, Birmingham, Philly, and DC.
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolor-Pikker View Post
    It'll depend on the coverage of the AF sensor in relation to the imaging area, but otherwise the sensor itself is a contiguous surface, so it could be made to "emulate" any array of virtual points that you wish.
    The sensor is center of the frame only. The improvement in this autofocus is not the ability to do point focus off-center, but instead it is:
    1) much faster
    2) much more accurate (critical for 50/60/80mp at wide open aperture)
    3) much clearer view of exactly what you are focusing on
    4) the option to use center or spot (see #3)
    5) easy for P1 to continue to improve via firmware
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    "Doug - how does this 80mp sensor differ from the 'old' 80mp sensor?

    I hear you on long exposures, but that's of use to very particular group of photographers - whereas for the rest of us... is there more DR? much better high ISO? Less noise? something else?" from Narikin


    Doug, any chance can you answer this ? many thanks


    Jeff

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Just out of interest, is the autofocus on the DF+ considered to be not accurate enough for critical focusing on high megapixel backs when shooting wide open?

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by m21apsh View Post
    "Doug - how does this 80mp sensor differ from the 'old' 80mp sensor?

    I hear you on long exposures, but that's of use to very particular group of photographers - whereas for the rest of us... is there more DR? much better high ISO? Less noise? something else?" from Narikin


    Doug, any chance can you answer this ? many thanks


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    IQ380 does not ship until July. Can't answer until I've played with one. But any improvements are likely to be small or moderate.

    Of course the IQ280 already has great dynamic range, color, and tonality at low and mid ISO.
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    I have descended into Dante's Inferno.

    Today I ordered the XF body, IQ380 and the new 35 mm.

    After all, I can't take my money with me when I go and my kids really don't need it. Really.

    In future you may address me as Emperor of GAS.
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Emperor,

    I like the way you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    I have descended into Dante's Inferno.

    Today I ordered the XF body, IQ380 and the new 35 mm.

    After all, I can't take my money with me when I go and my kids really don't need it. Really.

    In future you may address me as Emperor of GAS.
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    Just out of interest, is the autofocus on the DF+ considered to be not accurate enough for critical focusing on high megapixel backs when shooting wide open?
    Gerald,
    I have a DF+ with a 33 megapixel back. I haven't tried higher megapixels.

    On the first (half) press of the shutter release button, you hear the auto focus motor moving the lens into position. On the second press, you hear it again briefly, making a small adjustment. Then it's probably done. But make a third press just to be sure the motor doesn't run again. Then shoot. If the motor doesn't run again, I would consider the focus to be accurate enough for critical focusing.

    For subsequent shots, one half press to focus, and then keep pressing to shoot. One press will account for small movements of the subject or yourself so you will continue to get critical focus while working quickly. You only need two presses when the focus distance changes by larger amounts.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Schneider 35mm LS full-res sample files

    These were shot with the IQ380, and that is not yet supported in Capture One 8.3 so we can't share the raw files. The sharpening on this TIFF may be a bit heavy handed for some, so shoot us an email and I'll be glad to send you the raws once there is a public version of C1 which can open them.
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    [QUOTE=Bill Caulfeild-Browne;643968]I have descended into Dante's Inferno.

    In future you may address me as Emperor of GAS.[quote]


    GAS = got acquisition syndrome?

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post

    These were shot with the IQ380.
    Dear Doug!

    Thanks for providing the files shot with the new SK35LS!

    They look fantastic, I think they are on par with my Digaron 32HR.

    The EXIF actually says IQ180!?

    Please explain.

    Best regards

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Gerald,
    This is with the Schneider Kreuznach AF 110 f/2.8 LS lens.



    This one is at f/5.6. Depth of field is shallow enough for me. Lens is sharper than wide open. Easier to achieve focus on the first try.




    This one is wide open at f/2.8. Depth of field is too shallow for me. Lens is not as sharp wide open. Hard to achieve focus on the first try.


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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Does the new body and firmware alow auto step focusing in tethered mode? This is a feature that would make me buy the system! I would like it to be able to set a minimum point and then a maximum point and have the software be able to ajust by my chosen criteria how many steps needed and auto make the exposures.
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Seems to be a big error in the specs for the new 35mm LS lens. The Phase One website shows it with a 77mm filter thread while the download for the same lens lists the thread as 105mm. The weight differs by over a pound as well. Which is right? My guess is the bigger and heavier version.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    What is the actual filter size of the 35mm ? your site says 105. Phase one Page says 77mm ?

    https://www.phaseone.com/en/Products...h-35mm-LS.aspx

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    I have descended into Dante's Inferno.

    Today I ordered the XF body, IQ380 and the new 35 mm.

    After all, I can't take my money with me when I go and my kids really don't need it. Really.

    In future you may address me as Emperor of GAS.
    I'm looking to be adopted. LOL
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    What is the actual filter size of the 35mm ? your site says 105. Phase one Page says 77mm ?

    https://www.phaseone.com/en/Products...h-35mm-LS.aspx

    Thanks
    Phase One just redid their whole website. Looks like they made a snafu here. I've let them know and I'm sure it will be corrected soon.

    Here are the correct values:
    Schneider LS lenses

    105mm thread size.
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Which why at first it looked like a refresh of the older 35mm. Obviously not all new and most impressive. Glad to see this lens in the lineup.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    105! Awesome, I already have a couple of grand worth of filters for it then. Jumping in with Dante, but only one toe for now. This 35mm lens is the most exciting bit of this announcement for me. If it's anything close to the 32HR/40HR, I'm in.
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Ok so another question. In regards to upgrading. I have a IQ180 and want the 380 XF kit. Is there a complet upgrade or is it like:
    Upgrade IQ180 to IQ380 and buy the XF separate ?

    I am already talking to my dealer, but there is a bank holiday here and I'm a little inpatient.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Can anyone comment on shutter sound...particularly in comparison to the DF+?
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Ok so another question. In regards to upgrading. I have a IQ180 and want the 380 XF kit. Is there a complet upgrade or is it like:
    Upgrade IQ180 to IQ380 and buy the XF separate ?

    I am already talking to my dealer, but there is a bank holiday here and I'm a little inpatient.
    Bundles are available when upgrading backs which reduce the price of the XF body.
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    Thank you, Doug, for those TIFFs.
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    With some companies going to USB-C what's the Phase One plan for this regarding the XF?
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    "With some companies going to USB-C what's the Phase One plan for this regarding the XF?"

    My solution would be this: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_i...seq=1&format=2

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    Camera looks awesome, the new Phase One website however... Truly frustrating.
    You can't please them all, eh? :-)

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    Does this new body have any type of "True Focus" feature that we have seen on the Hassy's?

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    What are the differences in functionality between the IQ1, IQ2, and IQ3 backs on the XF body?

    Phase keeps saying Credo back will have the same functionality and support as IQ1 backs, which implies some reduced functionally. Would that reduced functionality extend beyond WiFi related features?

    I'm happy with my IQ180 and am OK without WiFi, but I hope I can take advantage of all the other aspects of the new XF body.
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    Would Upgrades be available from 280 to 380?

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by aztwang View Post
    Does this new body have any type of "True Focus" feature that we have seen on the Hassy's?
    There is a high-accuracy 6 axis accelerometer and gyroscope in the XF body. An older version of this type of technology is what Hassy uses for their True Focus system. In the XF the accelerometer/gyro is not currently used for any focus-offset a la True Focus.

    Now that the main foundation of the new platform is built, Phase One is very interested in soliciting feedback on what features/tools are most important to add to this platform (via firmware update). We will have the head of the XF project, Lau, at our NYC XF Launch Event in case you are in the area and would like to lobby for this in person. Otherwise I suggest you pass your interest in True Focus to your local dealer.
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