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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Halo,

    Any review for the AF? I heard it does not have many multi points. How many is it?

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Dan,
    I don't think anyone has received one yet. You should just read this entire thread starting on the first page, including the linked pages such as this one:


    https://www.digitaltransitions.com/b...-xf-first-look

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_cor View Post
    Mike,
    How do you plan to test the AF performance when you get there? You would want to know if continuous AF drive mode could track a bride coming down the aisle toward you. If you will be able to test sufficiently to discern your needs, I think the drive to Cleveland for a hands on test would be worth it.


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    Steve, as if now, my mindset would never consider using this system for applications such as weddings where ficus needs to accurate AND fast. My a medium format rig is strictly a portrait rig. Right now that's mainly in studio, but I want to migrate it's use to on location as well. As for testing, I want to determine whether I have to pump the shutter before I obtain an accurate lock? Can I accurately lock on to an eye on a face? Can I achieve shallow DoF on something like an eye off center but focus and recomposing? How easy is it to focus through a foreground obstacle like a chain linked fence on the subject in the background? These are the things I need to test.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    How is the weight of the XF compared to the DF w/V-grip?

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    Im in Indonesia, we have the XF launch on 19th

    weird USA/Europe have not been launched

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Mgreer316 View Post
    How is the weight of the XF compared to the DF w/V-grip?
    It sounds like you are just asking yourself this, and this is a rhetorical question. If you are going to try one in Cleveland then you'll find out.

    The new XF weighs 9 or 10 ounces more than the 645DF. Add the weight of the V-grip to the 645DF and they weigh about the same.


    Mamiya 645DF+ ..................1030g (35 oz) without battery
    V-Grip Air ............................364g without batteries and strap.

    XF w/ 90 Prism viewfinder .....1290g (45.5 oz) without battery



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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    When is IQ1 firmware update for XF going to be available?

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by aztwang View Post
    When is IQ1 firmware update for XF going to be available?
    Should be available at the end of this month.
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Just letting you dudes know that I received my upgrade/trade in from H4d-50 to iq350 and xf camera last week. Haven't had a chance to properly break it in until today and I'm extremely pleased. Will try to post something soon but for now I'll give a few comments.

    Camera's user interface is excellent. The top lcd is far better than it sounds, Af feels snappy but still need to do further testing. There is a bit of a learning curve but that's mainly on the software side as I've been using phocus previously. Overall it feels great and I'm very happy with the switch.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Phase just released new firmware for IQ2 and IQ1 series MFDBs for the XF camera.

    I've added it to my Dropbox archive along with previous firmware versions. Firmware 6.01.8 is in a separate marked sub folder. I have not installed Firmware 6.01.8 yet on my IQ180

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/258ngmkjx...NftHsnnYa?dl=0

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    From the note I just received from Capture Integration I'd wait awhile before doing the upgrade on my IQ180...

    https://captureintegration.com/xf-fi...-1-3-released/

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Libby View Post
    From the note I just received from Capture Integration I'd wait awhile before doing the upgrade on my IQ180...

    https://captureintegration.com/xf-fi...-1-3-released/

    Don

    Thanks for noting that, Don.

    We re-wrote that blog post about 12 times. We wanted to make very clear that we do not recommend all users to upgrade the firmware. Did we get the message across well enough? Gosh, I hope so.... (and so does Anthony!).


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    Tell Anthony not to worry.
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    Thanks for noting that, Don.

    We re-wrote that blog post about 12 times. We wanted to make very clear that we do not recommend all users to upgrade the firmware. Did we get the message across well enough? Gosh, I hope so.... (and so does Anthony!).

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    I think so Steve. My understanding is that if you are on an IQ1/2 with DF/DF+, hold off.

    Thanks for the info.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by jagsiva View Post
    I think so Steve. My understanding is that if you are on an IQ1/2 with DF/DF+, hold off.

    Thanks for the info.
    I called CI on Tuesday and the first thing Dave G said to me was don't upgrade your firmware unless you've got an Xf ... The rest of the conversation followed.
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    So what else did you buy?

    Countdown on the arrival of the XF in Carmel....

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_cor View Post
    It sounds like you are just asking yourself this, and this is a rhetorical question. If you are going to try one in Cleveland then you'll find out.
    Thanks for the information. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but the tone of your post bugs me. It was a simple question that I desired an answer to. Lecturing me wasn't necessary or apreciated. If I've misinterpreted the intent, then I'm sorry, my bad. As it turns out, I didn't go to Cleveland so I wasn't able to find out.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Mgreer316 View Post
    Thanks for the information. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but the tone of your post bugs me. It was a simple question that I desired an answer to. Lecturing me wasn't necessary or apreciated. If I've misinterpreted the intent, then I'm sorry, my bad. As it turns out, I didn't go to Cleveland so I wasn't able to find out.

    Note - Steve-Cor had replied to you and you two have a tone question to work out (I am not Steve-Cor, as most here are aware, but wanted to make sure there was no confusion).


    In the meantime, below is the actual weight comparison (as weighed on our scale at CI, not pulled from the datasheets):

    **IQ350 Digital Back/XF Camera/90 Prism Finder/SK 80mm LS Lens

    5.80 lbs/2.63 kg - IQ350/XF Camera/90 Prism/SK 80mm Lens (includes all batteries)
    4.65 lbs/2.11 kg - IQ350/XF Camera/90 Prism (No lens, includes all batteries)
    3.10 lbs/1.41 kg - XF Camera/90 Prism (No DB, No lens, includes all batteries)
    1.95 lbs/0.88 kg - XF Camera (No Prism, No DB, No lens, includes all batteries)


    **IQ250 Digital Back/DF+ Camera/Built-In 90 Prism Finder/SK 80mm LS Lens

    5.25 lbs/2.38 kg - IQ250/DF+ Camera/90 Prism/SK 80mm Lens (includes all batteries)
    4.10 lbs/1.86 kg - IQ250/DF+ Camera/90 Prism (No lens, includes all batteries)
    2.60 lbs/1.18 kg - XF Camera/90 Prism (No DB, No lens, includes all batteries)


    8 ounce difference between the XF/Prism vs DF+/Prism.


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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Hi everyone, just wanted to ask (aimed towards Doug and Steve) if it's true when using FireWire for tethering in capture one 8.3 that live view is not available. a few days ago it worked flawlessly via usb 3 on my local studios laptop but in my laptop via FireWire it tethers but doesn't seem to function for live view.

    It also doesn't recognize the camera as being compatible for live view (phase XF)

    Thanks in advance for any advice.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by bahr View Post
    Hi everyone, just wanted to ask (aimed towards Doug and Steve) if it's true when using FireWire for tethering in capture one 8.3 that live view is not available. a few days ago it worked flawlessly via usb 3 on my local studios laptop but in my laptop via FireWire it tethers but doesn't seem to function for live view.

    It also doesn't recognize the camera as being compatible for live view (phase XF)

    Thanks in advance for any advice.

    Bahr

    If this is IQ350, then firewire isn't going to work for live view - you'll want to use the USB port. Same goes for IQ150/IQ250/Credo 50.


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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    If this is IQ350, then firewire isn't going to work for live view - you'll want to use the USB port. Same goes for IQ150/IQ250/Credo 50.


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    Hi Steve,

    Thanks for the reply.

    It's iq350 with XF. Loving the new system and switch from h4d-50.

    In a way I'm relieved as I thought something was wrong with the back.
    This might be a silly question but would usb 2 work or am I looking at a new laptop purchase.lol....

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Is anyone planning to get the waist level finder? It might be a nice option for photographing people. I was looking through some old books today (Vivian Maier), and noted that the photographers in the older days used the Rolleiflex at waist level, and it seemed to provide a unique perspective, seeing a portrait or street photograph from a lower perspective. It seemed to elevate the subject somehow in the picture.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Yes actually the waist level viewfinder is one (of many) things that sold me on the new body; no more crawling on my hand and knees when I want a lower viewpoint in either nature or landscape. It's been ordered just waiting for delivery.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    The waist level finder, I have one question. Can you view the viewfinder with the camera from waist level? like you can with a Hasselblad old style or Rollieflex body? or do you have to have to put the finder up to your eye?

    To me the main use for the waist level finder is to help keep a shot level perspective wise, much as I use a Sony or Fuji LCD, tilted.

    If you have to hold the Phase finder up to your eye, then I am not seeing much advantage over the normal eye level finder.

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    All good questions however I don't think any of our dealer friends have received the WL yet so time will tell.
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Libby View Post
    All good questions however I don't think any of our dealer friends have received the WL yet so time will tell.

    Yes, it is a traditional viewfinder in that sense - it has a foldable magnifier that folds up out of view so you can see the ground glass while holding it at your waist.


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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Very quick question: Is there some type of "focus indicator" ? I mean any outline or something that shows the difference between the "area and spot" modus ?

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    This is what Doug Peterson wrote on post #71:


    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    The sensor is center of the frame only. The improvement in this autofocus is not the ability to do point focus off-center, but instead it is:
    1) much faster
    2) much more accurate (critical for 50/60/80mp at wide open aperture)
    3) much clearer view of exactly what you are focusing on
    4) the option to use center or spot (see #3)
    5) easy for P1 to continue to improve via firmware

    Hopefully someone has tried it and can elaborate.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by steve_cor View Post
    This is what Doug Peterson wrote on post #71:





    Hopefully someone has tried it and can elaborate.
    Just a quick note, I was a DT's this past weekend in NY and got the chance to play with the XF along with my DF+ for comparisons.

    I compared using the 35, 80LS, and 150 lenses, and the XF was significantly faster in all areas of composing, viewing, focusing, and accuracy than the DF+, I was actually surprised at how much faster it was given it still is basically just one center point for AF. My best comparison would be that in terms of speed and accuracy, it is about as good as previous gen DSLR's. In about one hour of testing with standard indoor lighting, the XF did not hunt for focus one single time, while the DF+ was hunting every other shutter press.

    One thing unrelated to AF about aesthetics, is the button that is on the back where your thumb would normally go to hold the body is very intrusive.

    The viewfinder was also significantly larger, it practically covered the entire hole of the screen to where you can barely even see black around the edges, it was probably the nicest viewfinder I've seen.

    Although from my expeerience with it, it does not have the same ability of Hassy's truefocus in order to autofocus and recompose, but it otherwise, it feels really nice.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Very quick question: Is there some type of "focus indicator" ? I mean any outline or something that shows the difference between the "area and spot" modus ?
    The ground glass screen on units currently being shipped is not the final ground glass. It is the same as the DF+ ground glass and indicates a vague, unhelpful circle.

    The final shipping ground glass has two rectangles, both smaller than the circle shown in the DF+ ground glass, and the smaller of which is quite tiny. They represent the average and spot focus areas respectively. I played with an XF with this new ground glass in Copenhagen and it is, in my opinion, a big improvement as far as indicating to the user exactly what the AF sensor is looking at. But we'll have to wait until that final ground glass starts shipping to get wider (less biased) opinions.
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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Great to know! I thought I go crazy. Every documentation talks about the "smaller" squars, an i thought "wtf, there are no squars..."

    Any timetable at all? I can already say the autofocus is sooooo much better, but it would help tremendously when I see what the actual focus area is especially on the spot mode. So far I can only say, well it is the center, hm is it really centered or do I need to move it a little more to the left.

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    Re: Phase One News: XF Body, IQ3 backs, 35LS, 120LS, C1 8.3, Website

    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Great to know! I thought I go crazy. Every documentation talks about the "smaller" squars, an i thought "wtf, there are no squars..."

    Any timetable at all? I can already say the autofocus is sooooo much better, but it would help tremendously when I see what the actual focus area is especially on the spot mode. So far I can only say, well it is the center, hm is it really centered or do I need to move it a little more to the left.
    Quick update, we have discovered the cause of the incompatibility between the 80/1.9 and the XF. This lens has a slightly protruding lip around the rear element. It does not appear to have any function but is a fraction of a mm further back into the mount than with other lenses of this generation.

    We've had the ring reduced down here in NYC and it is now mounting and operating normally. We need to do more testing to be sure, but I believe this is a complete fix to the issue.

    More details soon. We're in the middle of Service Day.
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