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    Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Geared heads are expensive, but eventually I got tired of the play of my Manfrotto 410 (it shifted positions slightly every time I slided in the sliding back on my Linhof Techno) so I eventually got an Arca-Swiss D4 and lived happily ever after.

    A friend of mine needs to upgrade the 410 sooner or later and the question is what alternatives there are out there today.

    Arca-Swiss Cube
    Linhof 3D Micro (less flexible cube, but also a bit less costly, at least in Europe)
    PhotoClam Multiflex (AS Cube ripoff, almost as expensive as the original)
    Arca-Swiss D4
    KPS T5 (geared ballhead, unique(?) design)

    Sunwayfoto GH-Pro (lighter D4 copy)
    Manfrotto 410 (quite heavy, has issues with play)
    Manfrotto 405 (very heavy, no good for field use)
    ...plus probably a bunch of super-heavy studio stuff, but interested in heads for field use here 1.5kgs or lighter

    As far as I know the first five are up to the task of handling the weight of a view camera with sliding back, but all of those are also rather expensive. The Sunwayfoto GH-Pro is the most interesting budget alternative as it seems, but I haven't been able to find any information on how well it really handles the heavier cameras. Anyone who knows?

    Also, I'd like to know if there are any more heads to add to the list above.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    I have a Man. 405 on my Gitzo and it's fine with my 645Z, no trouble using it outside the studio, but I think I'd want something a little higher-end for a camera that weighs nearly twice as much as the Z.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    I use the Arca D4 geared head, on both my DF+, and rm3di, no problems. Also use it with Nikon bodies and large glass.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolor-Pikker View Post
    I have a Man. 405 on my Gitzo and it's fine with my 645Z, no trouble using it outside the studio, but I think I'd want something a little higher-end for a camera that weighs nearly twice as much as the Z.
    Maybe the 405 could work, but at 1600 grams I think it would be a bit heavy to carry around mounted on top of the tripod. All these heads are on the heavy side, I don't remember exactly what my D4 is weighing I think it's something like 900 grams with clamp, and that was a significant improvement in "tripod balance" when carrying compared to my 410 which is 1400 grams, or probably a bit more since I added a Hejnar photo arca clamp to it.

    The GH-Pro is even lighter than the D4 which makes it attractive from that aspect, but as said I don't really know if it's up to the task.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    The Cube, for sure, is up to the task. Its also a lot lighter than 1.5kg. Not meant for harsh conditions though.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Anders, did you buy your D4 in Sweden?

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    The TPS K5 is maybe the cheapest you can get sub 1400grams that is up for the task? It costs about $900 and weights 820 grams.

    The GH-Pro is $500 and 670 grams, but I've seen comments saying that it has considerable "backlash", as a non-native English speaker I'm not sure what that means but I assume it means that it has play and/or it would slightly shift position when you slide in the sliding back for example, like my 410 did.

    I've also noted quite some sample variation concerning play between different 410 heads, and that is also one thing to consider. Arca-Swiss is top notch quality of course, but it comes at a price.

    I'm not talking about someone that's bought a IQ350 back an Alpa and Rodie 32 here, but instead my friend got the whole camera for $3800 (MF-two + sliding back, and a old hassy back already owned), and then spending $1700 for a A/S Cube can feel a bit hefty

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by mjr View Post
    Anders, did you buy your D4 in Sweden?

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    No I ordered it on the web from Arca-Shop.de . It seems that and Robert White - Specialist Photographic Suppliers are the two main places Swedes order their D4's and Cubes (both within EU, ie no import tax), but they're always out of stock... so you have to wait many weeks before you get it :-/

    I guess you can order it directly from the "source" Bienvenue sur Arca-Swiss-magasin.com but I think few does that as it's easier to talk to the actual shops.
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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    Maybe the 405 could work, but at 1600 grams I think it would be a bit heavy to carry around mounted on top of the tripod. All these heads are on the heavy side, I don't remember exactly what my D4 is weighing I think it's something like 900 grams with clamp, and that was a significant improvement in "tripod balance" when carrying compared to my 410 which is 1400 grams, or probably a bit more since I added a Hejnar photo arca clamp to it.

    The GH-Pro is even lighter than the D4 which makes it attractive from that aspect, but as said I don't really know if it's up to the task.
    The 405 definitely makes the balance lopsided on a carbon-fiber tripod, but it's not bothersome to me, the whole thing still weighs around the same as my old Mann aluminum tripod that was both smaller and considerably less stable.
    It has a very tall profile due to it being a pan/tilt design, compared to a D4 or Cube that rotate around an axis closer to the base.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    The Cube is better for table top photography... otherwise the D4 is fine !

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    I guess you can order it directly from the "source" Bienvenue sur Arca-Swiss-magasin.com but I think few does that as it's easier to talk to the actual shops.
    There is no official Arca Swiss website. That is a dealer's website.

    We carry the D4 and Cube and it's definitely my recommendation for geared heads.
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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    There is no official Arca Swiss website. That is a dealer's website.
    Thanks for pointing that out, I did not know.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    We carry the D4 and Cube and it's definitely my recommendation for geared heads.
    Have you tried the GH-Pro or the KPS T5 so you know how they perform? I think those two are the most interesting in terms of price/performance. Everyone knows the D4 and Cube are great, but they're also very expensive, and also quite difficult to get.

    When the D4 was new, the Manfrotto 410 was the number one budget alternative, and sure it works but it has some issues with sample variation and play and it's heavy. Now there are some new(ish) products and it would be interesting to know if any of those could step in is as a higher quality but still budget (or at least somewhat cheaper) alternative to the excellent Arca products.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    I found resistance was futile and was assimilated several years ago by The Cube. It easily handles Phase One body, back and their heaviest lenses. Apart from having to replace a couple of the knobs' rubber grips (thank you, Rod!) it has performed flawlessly in heat and snow and ice!
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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    I bought a demo unit, old style Linhof 3D head from Paula at an insane discount a while back. Was about the same price as the Manfrotto. Maybe she has some stock left?

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    I’ll cast another vote for the geared D4. It’s very hard to beat the convenience of the geared drives for precision adjustments and the quick unlock clutches for gross adjustments. The D4 is an amazing head in the field and has replaced my Cube for everything except for heavy Better Light Scan Back setups with RZ67 and view cameras.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    For geared heads the D4 and Cube are my choice. I actually use the D4 more now than the Cube as I've also run into the issue of the rubber knob coverings wearing/breaking eventually plus the D4 has the releasable locks and so a little quicker to adjust, especially if it's cold (when the Cube can get 'stiff'). The D4 is a little less top heavy on a CF tripod - the Cube is fine on the Gitzo SGT but a little unbalanced on my RRS 34.

    If it's just weight that you are concerned about taming then any Arca ball head will handle this albeit without the fine control of a geared head.

    I've looked at the KPS-T5 and it also seems to work well. I don't own one myself but others think highly of it.
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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    I have used a Linhof 3D Micro for many years now and find it a good solid companion.
    My, by far, heaviest configuration is Hblad Cfi 40 IF - Alpa Max - Alpa FPS - Credo 60 and this the Linhof can handle without problems.
    The limited tilting actually never cause frustration since I extend the legs so that the head is roughly level and then just finetune it.
    The only minus I can think of is that the smaller knobs that fasten the pano movement are too small. You need to tighten them rather hard to prevent a heavy cam to move sideways.
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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    The only minus I can think of is that the smaller knobs that fasten the pano movement are too small. You need to tighten them rather hard to prevent a heavy cam to move sideways.
    That is actually a minor problem with the D4 too (and Cube). I work with the camera perpendicular to the ground sometimes, and then you need to use the top pano to adjust the leveling of the camera, which is not really ideal especially with a camera with a sliding back which makes it unbalanced (it wants to tip to one side), but it's acceptable as I don't do it often. The Manfrottos are actually better in this particular use case as all three axis are geared. I like the 410 except for the quality issues, if it had existed in an A/S type of quality I may have preferred that design, but weight is important to me too though and the Manfrottos are really heavy.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    I have some slim hope that the GH-Pro may be a useful upgrade to the 410 for my friend, but I'd like to hear from someone that's tested the head.

    I suspect though that it's not much of an improvement and it will be better for him to stay on the 410 until he forgets about how much the latest batch of photo gear shopping costed and then take the jump to some of the established high ends. I will then recommend the D4...

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    I have used a Linhof 3D Micro for many years now and find it a good solid companion.
    My, by far, heaviest configuration is Hblad Cfi 40 IF - Alpa Max - Alpa FPS - Credo 60 and this the Linhof can handle without problems.
    The limited tilting actually never cause frustration since I extend the legs so that the head is roughly level and then just finetune it.
    The only minus I can think of is that the smaller knobs that fasten the pano movement are too small. You need to tighten them rather hard to prevent a heavy cam to move sideways.
    The updated design of the Linhof 3d micro head has a new locking mechanism that solves this problem. Much better.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Excellent thread. I was looking into alternative 410 geared heads just recently.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    The GH-Pro overstates its capacity. It's not up to the task and does not belong in the class of geared heads that you listed in the top tier. I also would not include the Manfrottos either, mainly based on weight, limited capacity, and refinement.

    I have both the AS Cube and the KPS T5. Both are rock solid performers. I'm sure that the Linhof and the Photoclam are suitable Cube variants. But the T5 is in a class by itself serving both as a ballhead and as a geared head.

    You can see a review of the KPS T5 geared ballhead published here at GetDPI and on my blog, https://kendoophotography.wordpress....white-unicorn/ Build quality of the T5 is on par with Arca Swiss and RRS. No qualms about recommending it. GH-Pro is fine for a mirrorless camera, but doesn't belong in Dante's forum where cameras have a lot more heft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    The updated design of the Linhof 3d micro head has a new locking mechanism that solves this problem. Much better.
    Thanks for pointing that out! I wasn't aware of this upgrade. Doesn't look like there is an easy upgrade from the old version that I have, but I'm going to ask
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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Thanks for the comments on the GH-Pro Ken. Have you tried the Manfrotto 410? Do you think the GH-Pro is any better or worse, or perhaps about the same regarding stability/backlash?

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    So the summary so far is that if you don't want any play or stability issues your choices with a heavier camera are:

    A/S Cube
    A/S D4
    Linhof 3D Micro
    KPS T5
    PhotoClam Multiflex

    The KPS T5 is the most economical, but all are expensive.

    I know a cheap head like the Manfrotto 410 works as I've used it myself, and I've seen others use it that could easily afford a more expensive head. It's unique as it has all three axis geared which is nice in some situations, and I think it's the fastest to operate and most user-friendly head. I think it's the great operational ergonomics which makes some keep the head even if the quality is so-so, the controls are indeed better than my D4. However for me the losing-position-slightly when I slided the sliding back got worse and worse with time (tried to tighten the head but did not succeed), and the 1400g+extra for (the excellent) Hejnar Photo clamp extension felt heavy to carry in the field.

    Actually I think the weight was the stronger reason for me to upgrade than the play. I've haven't really got rid of the need of after-adjusting after I slide in the back, as the tripod footing is often soft soil and some shifting in the tripod itself often happens anyway.

    I looked to the Cube but the extra weight and not being able to unlock made me go for the D4. Some see the inability to unlock as a safety advantage though, so it's personal.

    I actually did hurt my finger the first day using the D4 due to accidental unlocking, but that was because I'd never used a ball head and was used to the 410 head so I thought you didn't need to apply force on the locking knobs to lock it. *Tilt* *wham* over my finger.... you learn effectively through pain though, I've never done that mistake again :-)

    The D4 is precise, but as the rotational axis is inside the head it's not really "silky smooth" to operate with a heavy camera on top. You need to use some force when turning the knobs as you move quite some mass, so it's a bit jerky, but there's no play and fine-tuning is no problem. I assume the Cube has a smoother feel as you shift less mass due to the rotational axis being closer to the center of mass of the camera. The couple of hundred grams lighter and ability to unlock is worth the jerkiness though.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    Thanks for pointing that out! I wasn't aware of this upgrade. Doesn't look like there is an easy upgrade from the old version that I have, but I'm going to ask
    I can't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure I asked Paula if I could upgrade mine at some stage and think she told me it couldn't be, hense the really low price I paid for the older model. Best to ask her to confirm that though, or even email Linhof directly?

    I got the version with the classic Arca-Swiss dovetail lock. If given the option again I would have gone with the quick release clamp, as the knob for tightening the QR lock on the classic version is easily mistaken for the top pan lock. I've never made the mistake and unlocked the QR plate by mistake, but it would be easy to do. The quick release lock / quick fix option would be more fool proof in this regard. This is all a moot point with the new design as the pan locks are completely different so can't be confused at all. Only relevant for the old design.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    With the D4 if you release tension with a heavy camera, well guess what, no tension so it'll flop. Been there, got the bruise.

    With heads like the Cube this is never an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    I can't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure I asked Paula if I could upgrade mine at some stage and think she told me it couldn't be, hense the really low price I paid for the older model. Best to ask her to confirm that though, or even email Linhof directly?

    I got the version with the classic Arca-Swiss dovetail lock. If given the option again I would have gone with the quick release clamp, as the knob for tightening the QR lock on the classic version is easily mistaken for the top pan lock. I've never made the mistake and unlocked the QR plate by mistake, but it would be easy to do. The quick release lock / quick fix option would be more fool proof in this regard. This is all a moot point with the new design as the pan locks are completely different so can't be confused at all. Only relevant for the old design.
    I sent an email an hour ago direct to Linhof, lets see what they say next week.

    I've got the quick release clamp version and prefer that over dovetail.
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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Back in 2013 I wrote an Arca-Swiss D4 review but I forgot to post it. Now I've done that, and updated it with a "long term" report and an overview of alternatives as learnt from forum discussion.

    http://www.ludd.ltu.se/~torger/photo...d4-review.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    Thanks for the comments on the GH-Pro Ken. Have you tried the Manfrotto 410? Do you think the GH-Pro is any better or worse, or perhaps about the same regarding stability/backlash?
    I've looked at the 410, but never felt it passed muster to purchase it---actually, never thought it was even close. It's weight exceeds that of the Cube and even its rated capacity is but a fraction of the Cube. You can consider the 405 with the same no-go limitations. I never felt entirely comfortably or secure when using the GH-Pro with a camera larger than the Sony A7r, for example. With larger camera bodies the "lift" was noticeable, and if you examine the head, is an inherent weakness in the design of the head. When selecting/using a tripod head for location work, I look specifically at weight, capability, and capacity. It must secure its expensive load without pause for thought. The Cube and the KPS T5 pass with flying colors. What I like about the T5 is that it acts as a normal ballhead when making initial adjustments, and that speed is hard to beat. Once locked down, smaller micro-geared adjustments can be quickly made on the x-y axis similar to the Cube. For portrait work, the Cube is a bit slow (and big). The KPS T5 gives me the speed of a ballhead for portrait work, yet now I also find myself able to make small incremental adjustments with ease, that are more difficult to do with a mere mortal ballhead.

    I use the Graham Welland RRS tripod head quick release system on my tripod heads which makes it fast and easy to swap out heads on tripod legs. I like being able to choose/swap out clamps on the KPS T5. Right now I'm using RRS compatible panoramic top clamp with click-stops on the T5. I wish Arca Swiss would back off from using the permanent red loctite and allow end users to swap out top clamps easier. Thankfully I have one of the pre-red loctite Cubes.

    I've been told that some minor changes/improvements are in store for the KPS T5 geared ballhead. It does not sound like any changes would be material, but the distributor has told me they will send me a new model to look at probably at the start of the new year----maybe in time for Pigs! Capture Integration in Carmel 2016!

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Over at LuLa I come across a user that actually sold the Arca-Swiss Cube in favor of the 410 (I don't think he had a 4kg+ camera though). The same user had also figured out how to tighten the head once it got lose (which I haven't succeeded to do). I did not understand it fully, but it seems like you need to do it over and over again. And indeed when the 410 works I thinks its one of the nicest heads to operate. But it's just a bit too heavy for me in the field and while I was not really worried it would just brake and drop my gear to the ground, the loosening made me go mad (it shifted position slightly when I cocked the shutter).

    I'm quite sure I would choose the D4 today with the new options added even if I tested all of them, but the KPS T5 is second on the list. That it's even lighter than the D4 is a big plus for me, not really to get down the total weight of the gear (which for me is like 13 kg) but to make the tripod itself a bit easier to carry in the hand and on the backpack.

    I think there is a place for a higher quality product with the 410 design, but so far no-one's made such a thing.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Hi Torger,

    Thanks for this thread!

    Personally, I own an early model Arca Swiss D4. I like it very much, even if I very much miss gears on pan-direction.

    On the D4 I have, I have replaced the original clamp with an RRS lever type clamp. My understanding is that this is no longer easily done with newer heads.

    Not that I would recommend it, but I happened to drive over the Arca D4 mounted on an RRS tripod with one of the rear wheels on my Toyota Rav 4. They survived with barely a scratch and work as well as ever before. Not recommended, though, I think undeserved luck was involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torger View Post
    Over at LuLa I come across a user that actually sold the Arca-Swiss Cube in favor of the 410 (I don't think he had a 4kg+ camera though). The same user had also figured out how to tighten the head once it got lose (which I haven't succeeded to do). I did not understand it fully, but it seems like you need to do it over and over again. And indeed when the 410 works I thinks its one of the nicest heads to operate. But it's just a bit too heavy for me in the field and while I was not really worried it would just brake and drop my gear to the ground, the loosening made me go mad (it shifted position slightly when I cocked the shutter).

    I'm quite sure I would choose the D4 today with the new options added even if I tested all of them, but the KPS T5 is second on the list. That it's even lighter than the D4 is a big plus for me, not really to get down the total weight of the gear (which for me is like 13 kg) but to make the tripod itself a bit easier to carry in the hand and on the backpack.

    I think there is a place for a higher quality product with the 410 design, but so far no-one's made such a thing.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    How about Manfrotto 400 /bogen 3263. It supports more than 405/410.
    If your camera can change H/V position, 400 is the best.

    I'm used 400 for Sinar and 410 for medium/35mm format in studio. both are mounted on foba asaba.
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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    It's probaly great in the studio, but it weighs 2600 grams and I was looking into field-use (which I should have added in the topic heading, but I forgot). There's probably quite many geared heads out there if we consider those kind of weights.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Manfrotto has made a new 3-way head with same type of design as the 410, the Xpro:

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...red_3_way.html

    Unfortunately it's only suitable for very light-weight cameras, probably a bit wobblier than the 410.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    there is a trick to the 410 which I have.

    if it develops play you take it apart and add a lubricating paste to the gears -instead of oil.

    this can be a lithium paste.

    I did just that - and it went from loose to rock solid and will work with heavy cameras

    it has no play at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    I sent an email an hour ago direct to Linhof, lets see what they say next week.
    I got a reply from Linhof. Yes, it is possible to upgrade the older version to the latest. It is € 270 + vat + postage both ways. Bottom line, it is around € 400 for me to change the two small knobs....

    Haven't decided if it is worth it or not to me. I'm sure it is both fair and reasonable but definitely money I could use towards some other stuff on my wishlist...

    Would there possibly be anyone out there that has actually tried the new locking mechanism?
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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Just a quick update---KPS did indeed add a nice feature on the KPS T5 geared ball head. I received a pretty much final prototype a couple days ago. The new T5 adds a "click-stop" function at three levels on the main adjustment knob. Perfomance remains the same as the first generation T5. On the new model, you can simply turn to the first "click" and at that point know you can optimally use the micro-adjustment knobs. Heavier cameras will use the 2 or 3 click-stop setting. Pretty novel engineering. I've updated my blog review with a photo as well. I will have several of the new T5 geared ball heads available at this year's CI in Carmel (Pigs) workshop next month in February!

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    Ken, maybe I should have looked closer at the T5. I ordered a D4 from B&H on 12/4, called them around the 20th for a delivery date and was told it would be another four to five weeks. You would think they could do better than that.
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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrew View Post
    Ken, maybe I should have looked closer at the T5. I ordered a D4 from B&H on 12/4, called them around the 20th for a delivery date and was told it would be another four to five weeks. You would think they could do better than that.
    To be fair to B&H, that's not at all unusual for the D4. I waited a few months for mine to eventually arrive. The problem is typically supply from Arca Swiss.
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    Hi Torger,
    the Medium Format and today some high res dslr with absurd pixel race become very demanding in stability... that's the reason about some producer have introduced the seismograph in their body !
    Behind of this demand there is a world of math arc degree per per resolution matrix and enlargement factor etc. etc.

    In the list You post the Arca Swiss C1 Cube is the king, then the D4 and also the korean copies are substantially good if tightened after been positioned...

    If the head don't attach to a good tripod any effort to solve the stability problem is lost.

    here's my think about: The load capacity of the head or tripod/support should be at least the QUADRUPLE of the maximum load to maintain stable (taking in count to use the lowest value of the two load capacities, tripod or head, the lowest is to be considered).

    Best regards & Happy 2016, Domenico.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    To be fair to B&H, that's not at all unusual for the D4. I waited a few months for mine to eventually arrive. The problem is typically supply from Arca Swiss.
    Agree...
    I think Arca is working almost on demand, if the shops don't have stock the delay to receive a piece is around eight weeks.
    Best, Domenico.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by danlindberg View Post
    I got a reply from Linhof. Yes, it is possible to upgrade the older version to the latest. It is € 270 + vat + postage both ways. Bottom line, it is around € 400 for me to change the two small knobs....

    Haven't decided if it is worth it or not to me. I'm sure it is both fair and reasonable but definitely money I could use towards some other stuff on my wishlist...

    Would there possibly be anyone out there that has actually tried the new locking mechanism?
    I have now one months experience of the new Micro 3D head. Unfortunately I can not compare to the old model. I only once had my hands on the old one for some minutes at the dealer. So it's hard to say if upgrading is worth of money.
    By my experience the new locking system is very good, better than old, I believe. I can use it also with gloves on. After once levelled I can unlock and lock again the pan without loosing the level. Locking seems very accurate.
    My first feeling with the old one was that there's too many knobs and it's not easy to know which knob do what. But I'm sure You have learnt it after many years use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrew View Post
    Ken, maybe I should have looked closer at the T5. I ordered a D4 from B&H on 12/4, called them around the 20th for a delivery date and was told it would be another four to five weeks. You would think they could do better than that.
    The KPS distributor has also told me he will send me a couple of the new KPS T5 geared ballheads with the click-stop feature (clampless---choose your own top clamp) packaged ready to sell at CI in Carmel. I believe we get a small discount too. I should have them around the end of January/beigning Feb 2016.

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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by modator View Post
    Hi Torger,
    the Medium Format and today some high res dslr with absurd pixel race become very demanding in stability... that's the reason about some producer have introduced the seismograph in their body !
    Behind of this demand there is a world of math arc degree per per resolution matrix and enlargement factor etc. etc.

    In the list You post the Arca Swiss C1 Cube is the king, then the D4 and also the korean copies are substantially good if tightened after been positioned...

    If the head don't attach to a good tripod any effort to solve the stability problem is lost.

    here's my think about: The load capacity of the head or tripod/support should be at least the QUADRUPLE of the maximum load to maintain stable (taking in count to use the lowest value of the two load capacities, tripod or head, the lowest is to be considered).
    Best regards & Happy 2016, Domenico.
    Domenico,
    I believe we address this issue:
    Arca-Swiss calculates maximum load capacity by mounting a 12" or 30cm arm in their heads and adding the weight at the end of it. This assures the usefulness of the heads with various gear configurations.
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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    Not sure if this is the right place to post this, maybe the mods can move it to the right location?
    Rod Klukas of Arca-Swiss saw my post with the problem of obtaining a D4 and contacted me that he had one in stock. I cancelled my order and purchased the one from Rod.
    The forum works!! Thanks.
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    Re: Geared heads that are good enough for 4 kg MFD cameras

    I wanted to get a geared head for use with my techcam setup and ordered a Sunwayfoto GH-Pro which finally arrived today.
    My initial impression is positive and for the ~$400 price I think it is pretty good.
    My criteria was price and compactness and Sunwayfoto GH-Pro delivers on both counts.

    I have never used (or even seen in person) an Arca cube or D4 so I have no reference but I have no doubt that Arca D4 is smoother and higher quality than this. Still I think this can be a viable option for those seeking a compact solution.

    Here is a link to a quick video clip to give an idea:
    http://jawad.zenfolio.com/img/s5/v11...777235-200.mp4.
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